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New Order were the best band on the planet in the eighties. Bar none. But it is very hard to describe to someone who wasn’t there exactly why.

I became a New Order fan in 1983 around the time of Blue Monday. It sounded like nothing else on earth. It richocched around the Youth Club like a machine gun sending the girls scurrying for cover. The only people who would get up were a couple of older lads with Perry haircuts who danced very earnestly, arms flailing, fringes over their eyes. They stayed on for the next couple of records – one I recognised: “Love Will Tear Us Apart”, and another one with a demonic, roaring chorus which belied the lyric: “Dance to The Radio!”. The Jam fans looked on respectfully. They mocked every other dancer at the Youth Club, but there seemed to be a total incomprehension of what this music meant. I was intrigued and knew I had to find out more.

Blue Monday was 12 inch only so took weeks to save up for. The cover was unbelievable – it looked fantastic. Just who were this band who didn’t even put words or pictures on their covers? Confusion was released shortly after and from that point onwards I bought everything – “Movement” and “Power Corruption and Lies” contained a few gems on each and the Joy Division back catalogue sounded like a different band – yet sometimes the same band. The more I delved the more wondrous this band looked. The covers mesmorised me. The Joy Division legacy fascinated me. The fact that New Order didn’t really do interviews and shunned publicity only drew me in further. They refused to mime which was a wonderful principle to have – especially when their playing and singing skills were, at best ,average. When I eventually saw the band, on video playing live at The Hacienda I was awestruck. They looked wonderfully cool – they didn’t move, smile or talk. This band were pure. They really meant it.

My first gig, aged 15, in Blackburn was a disaster which still haunts me. I was excitedly smoking in Mum’s bathroom getting ready for the gig, and was caught. And grounded. Game over. The next opportunity came in 1986 when I obtained a ticket for a gig at Warrington Spectrum Arena. Four of us went over and it was here I discovered the true power and majesty of New Order. For, despite the fact that the records were totally cutting edge, the design work was unrivalled and the image was totally cool, the live experience was like nothing else. It was the first of many gigs I attended through the years in this country and abroad. New Order live were often shambolic. They were obnoxious. Their equipment broke down. They didn’t talk to the audience, they hardly did encores. They insulted the crowd, the crowd insulted them. What other band, before or since, would play new songs live before the lyrics were written, and just adlib the lyrics? Noone.

But sometimes, late in the set, when the lights went purple and the crowd surged, when they locked into Your Silent Face or Everything’s Gone Green or Age of Consent, they simply soared. Noone could touch them.

They were overtaken as Ecstasy swept the country by younger blood with 808s and 909s who took their inspiration directly from the band. But the legacy remained. New Order – the Daddies of them all. They did it their way.

“I remember …….when we were young”

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Blunderer wrote: What other band, before or since, would play new songs live before the lyrics were written, and just adlib the lyrics? Noone.

Er, I'm pretty sure other bands did this before New Order.

Nice story though, bit rose-tinted.

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The sensation of a beautiful sound occasionally emerging from a shambolic mess of chords and missed beats is probably why a lot of peopole like New Order. I most recently saw it in Glasgow the other week. They knew they were fucking up KW1 but they soldiered on. Suddenly, everything was perfect.

Rather than a polished sound that's been practiced to death, you feel like you've just seen them work at something.

New Order do it best.

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It's just the music for me..Live or otherwise.Fantasticola!:bow:

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Boatraceface wrote: It's just the music for me..Live or otherwise.Fantasticola!:bow:

Obviously the music was the main thing....but there was so much more to them, as I am trying to convey...

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Blunderer wrote:

Obviously the music was the main thing....but there was so much more to them, as I am trying to convey...

Yes, its not just the music that makes NO great. It things like the live fuck ups, sticking Turn on Singles but never releasing it (even though there are vids for it), and having so many great songs that havent even made it to CD yet (Run 2, Ceremony 7").

Thats why they were (and are) 'the shit':nod:

And obviously the likes of TPK, TF and AOC do help...

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Blunderer wrote: New Order were the best band on the planet in the eighties. Bar none. But it is very hard to describe to someone who wasn’t there exactly why.

I became a New Order fan in 1983 around the time of Blue Monday. It sounded like nothing else on earth. It richocched around the Youth Club like a machine gun sending the girls scurrying for cover. The only people who would get up were a couple of older lads with Perry haircuts who danced very earnestly, arms flailing, fringes over their eyes. They stayed on for the next couple of records – one I recognised: “Love Will Tear Us Apart”, and another one with a demonic, roaring chorus which belied the lyric: “Dance to The Radio!”. The Jam fans looked on respectfully. They mocked every other dancer at the Youth Club, but there seemed to be a total incomprehension of what this music meant. I was intrigued and knew I had to find out more.

Blue Monday was 12 inch only so took weeks to save up for. The cover was unbelievable – it looked fantastic. Just who were this band who didn’t even put words or pictures on their covers? Confusion was released shortly after and from that point onwards I bought everything – “Movement” and “Power Corruption and Lies” contained a few gems on each and the Joy Division back catalogue sounded like a different band – yet sometimes the same band. The more I delved the more wondrous this band looked. The covers mesmorised me. The Joy Division legacy fascinated me. The fact that New Order didn’t really do interviews and shunned publicity only drew me in further. They refused to mime which was a wonderful principle to have – especially when their playing and singing skills were, at best ,average. When I eventually saw the band, on video playing live at The Hacienda I was awestruck. They looked wonderfully cool – they didn’t move, smile or talk. This band were pure. They really meant it.

My first gig, aged 15, in Blackburn was a disaster which still haunts me. I was excitedly smoking in Mum’s bathroom getting ready for the gig, and was caught. And grounded. Game over. The next opportunity came in 1986 when I obtained a ticket for a gig at Warrington Spectrum Arena. Four of us went over and it was here I discovered the true power and majesty of New Order. For, despite the fact that the records were totally cutting edge, the design work was unrivalled and the image was totally cool, the live experience was like nothing else. It was the first of many gigs I attended through the years in this country and abroad. New Order live were often shambolic. They were obnoxious. Their equipment broke down. They didn’t talk to the audience, they hardly did encores. They insulted the crowd, the crowd insulted them. What other band, before or since, would play new songs live before the lyrics were written, and just adlib the lyrics? Noone.

But sometimes, late in the set, when the lights went purple and the crowd surged, when they locked into Your Silent Face or Everything’s Gone Green or Age of Consent, they simply soared. Noone could touch them.

They were overtaken as Ecstasy swept the country by younger blood with 808s and 909s who took their inspiration directly from the band. But the legacy remained. New Order – the Daddies of them all. They did it their way.

“I remember …….when we were young”

That,my friend,is a fucking great post,well put.& pretty much reflects my thoughts exactly,even from becoming a fan thru' BM.I like it,I like it a lot...take a bow:clap: :thumb:

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Always difficult to put into words and explain to the kids today what it was all about back in the mid 80s but you've had a fairly good stab at it there,Blunderer:clap:

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although the best and most notoroius gigs in the 80's were always by Killing Joke.

:nod:

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Dont get me wrong, New Order are my favourite band and always will be, but god they can sound like a bunch of kids who have only just got their instruments, at times.

Who else can sing as badly/flatly/insultingly as Bernard? I cant name one singer.

But then, at other times they can sound sublime. I guess its this inconsistancy that makes them so compelling. But I can understand why they never got world domination or fully reached the commercial level of success that they could have, as theres nothing to adhere the non-NO fan to NO.

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NO Regret wrote: Who else can sing as badly/flatly/insultingly as Bernard? I cant name one singer.

All part of the charm. Nobody sounds quite like them and nobody certainly sings like Barney.

Every time they play Ceremony live, I feel like it's 1987 again and I've just put my tape of Substance in the car stereo for the 1st time.

That's the Magic!

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Tears of joy and tears of sorrow New Order buys love to sell tomorrow

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NO Regret wrote: Dont get me wrong, New Order are my favourite band and always will be, but god they can sound like a bunch of kids who have only just got their instruments, at times.

Who else can sing as badly/flatly/insultingly as Bernard? I cant name one singer.

But then, at other times they can sound sublime. I guess its this inconsistancy that makes them so compelling. But I can understand why they never got world domination or fully reached the commercial level of success that they could have, as theres nothing to adhere the non-NO fan to NO.

Yeh,but it works.He's one of the best anti-frontmen of such a made,influential,world reknowned & respected rock band ever.Again,it's just another of the many things that make N.O. N.O. :bow: :thumb:

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new order never had an 'image' to sell. too many bands concentrate on their image and not on their music. hence, whether NO were shite or fantastic they were just a group of normal looking people making the music they wanted to make (for the most part). it's kind of hard to go as barney to a halloween party, isn't it?

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AgentWood wrote: new order never had an 'image' to sell. too many bands concentrate on their image and not on their music. hence, whether NO were shite or fantastic they were just a group of normal looking people making the music they wanted to make (for the most part). it's kind of hard to go as barney to a halloween party, isn't it?

Agreed. And the music was ahead of its time too... :thumb:

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Whats with all this

WERE

shit, they still are ....

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Elegia wrote: Whats with all this

WERE

shit, they still are ....

i was going to say that.

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so were they the best because they couldn't play their instruments... or in spite of it?

... and New Order, if they actually release another live DVD will have actually released more live shows after they started playing karaoke, more evidence of their balls

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New Order songs still put me in a good mood. I'm just lucky enough to have seen them live in California during my lifetime.

Long live New Order. :truefaith:

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Great post - even now, it is somewhat hard to explain to anyone here in America how special NO is. I heard True Faith on the radio a couple weeks back while getting my haircut - it is such a rarity that it totally made my day.

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Any band that survived the death of their lead singer, Factory Records, The Hacienda and managed to release a credible Football song, must have something special.

To quote Alan Wise, they're Crap and Good at the same time, they have style!

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I second this post.The fuck-ups were part of their charm, but what band could appeal to both post-punk and 80's electrophiles? First band I can remember where the bass was so prominently...err..LEAD! For years inspired me to pick up my bass and knock out a few tunes.......though pretty badly. It was everything....the band,the tunes,the sleeves. I remember going to the Hacienda for the first time on a club night.Wasn't mad on the place,but it was the first time they played a rough cut instumental of Thieves,about 9 months before release.Instantly recogniseable as NO,well worth the admission. Why New Order ARE the best band on the planet!:thumb:

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