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As a "hobby" guitarist its easy to form an opinion on Bernard's competence but are there are drummers out there who have an opinion on how good a drummer Steve is? I don't just mean He's great cos he's New Order's drummer!
Without a good ear for this it strikes me that songs like In A Lonely Place and Senses must be immensely difficult to play. Even simpler drum tracks like Crystal have some "off beat" tom tom beats which seems singular to him.
he's got his own style, he can play like a drum machine, what more could new order want. he aint no john bohnam or buddy rich but hes miles better than the guy from bloc party, i think hes top, but i used to get paid to sound like him, it was hard work.
How strange, I was only wondering what Lead Foot thought of Steve the other day.
Fuck knows why, the question just popped into my head, rolled around for a bit then disappeared.
I was listening to a Monaco boot with fucking brilliant drunks on it at the time. T in t'Park from years ago. I take it that was you?
Oops, I meant drums, obviously!
Think I'd better go for a lie down.
Top four post-punk drummers:
steve morris pete de frietas (bunnymen) steve shelley (sonic youth) peter prescott (mission of burma)
the best punk and post-punk bands had phenomenal drummers. Steve definitely inherited some of Paul Cook's fills (the dudda-da-dudda stuff in GSTQ can be heard in the opening fills to Transmission and LWTUA), but otherwise, his style is pretty unique.
I'm not a drummer, but I can handle a decent beat if I had to. I play bass and guitar. But I think Steve is an awesome drummer because he's so precise, and he injects some interesting beats instead of playing the same thing over and over through a song.
I think Stephen Morris' drumming on "Behind Closed Doors" is illustrative of this.
Johnny wrote: Best drummer ever mate
Couldn't have put it better myself Johnny!
Amazed that this is a thread about a drummer and no-one has used 
yet! 
New Dawn Fades, She's Lost Control, Disorder, Ice Age, They Walked in Line, Novelty, Sunrise, Primitive Notion
shouldnt the question be "how good of an percussionist" steve is?. yeah hes a drummer but when u consider the programing skills he has in sequencing ect,and cmon the intro to bm no matter what any of us in here think of bm will be hailed as a classic intro for many a moon to come,no matter who wrote the line im sure steve had his input. when u look at the broad spectrum of the work that hook,morris,sumner have produced through ,stiff kittens,warsaw,jd,no. who could deny that his skills are anything but extrordinary,"best drummer in the world?"id say he goes beyond that and into one of the most innovative musicians of his generation. keep smackin tham skins lad.
Sam the Stokie wrote:
Johnny wrote: Best drummer ever mate
Couldn't have put it better myself Johnny!
Amazed that this is a thread about a drummer and no-one has used
Not missin' this thread... 
Steve-- Drumming genius. Percussionist with class. Programmer with a whimsicality that's all him.
And he's been beating up drumsets for 30 years strong. 
A few hours ago I was watching the soundcheck of Hacienda '87 concert (I got it in a weed)... Steve's drum soundcheck is the best part, simply. He sounds like a drum machine and created some fantastic drum riffs as "Wilderness", "Atmosphere", "Doubts Even Here", "Ecstasy" (my favorite) and "Primitive Notion". Very inventive.
Aracri wrote: A few hours ago I was watching the soundcheck of Hacienda '87 concert (I got it in a weed)... Steve's drum soundcheck is the best part, simply. He sounds like a drum machine and created some fantastic drum riffs as "Wilderness", "Atmosphere", "Doubts Even Here", "Ecstasy" (my favorite) and "Primitive Notion". Very inventive.
That's really freakin' weird.. I am in the process of burning this onto NTSC DVD right now at this moment (for personal consumption of course). :) But I agree, one of the highlights was his drum soundcheck.
The date of said concert was June 10th 1987 I believe. 20 years...
nmc wrote:
Aracri wrote: A few hours ago I was watching the soundcheck of Hacienda '87 concert (I got it in a weed)... Steve's drum soundcheck is the best part, simply. He sounds like a drum machine and created some fantastic drum riffs as "Wilderness", "Atmosphere", "Doubts Even Here", "Ecstasy" (my favorite) and "Primitive Notion". Very inventive.
That's really freakin' weird.. I am in the process of burning this onto NTSC DVD right now at this moment (for personal consumption of course). :) But I agree, one of the highlights was his drum soundcheck.
The date of said concert was June 10th 1987 I believe. 20 years...
That would be just too freckin' awesome to hear....
[lost in benidorm...] ['sunshine'] wrote:
nmc wrote:
Aracri wrote: A few hours ago I was watching the soundcheck of Hacienda '87 concert (I got it in a weed)... Steve's drum soundcheck is the best part, simply. He sounds like a drum machine and created some fantastic drum riffs as "Wilderness", "Atmosphere", "Doubts Even Here", "Ecstasy" (my favorite) and "Primitive Notion". Very inventive.
That's really freakin' weird.. I am in the process of burning this onto NTSC DVD right now at this moment (for personal consumption of course). :) But I agree, one of the highlights was his drum soundcheck.
The date of said concert was June 10th 1987 I believe. 20 years...
It's coming your way shortly. 
Most of the drummers I've known that play/listen to the sort of music I'm into.. well, they site Morris as an influence. I know I was certainly drawn to synths and machines due to my own want to 'learn to play/create like that dude'. He really doesn't seem to play half-cocked, has a different approach than what, say, Bernard's said before "keeping the punk without practicing". I get the feeling Steve plays an hour or so a day just for the fun of it.
Most drummers I know have at various points, tried to convince me that Steve plays nothing, because they cannot accept a human who can play with a Sync24/MTC pulse up his chuff. Of those I used to play with when I was still at it big time, only one liked Steve, and surprise surprise he was the only one who could play to a click or a machine well, the rest, who claimed Morris was MIMING!, drifted like a child on a lilo in a rip tide......then invariable blamed the machine (the same machine other live players(apart from guitarists obviously, timeless muppets....Barney is a SERIOUS exception to their general rule and all) could stay in with). I tried to forbid them to bring a kick drum when any of them played a club with me, reasoning that if I could stop them going off in a private groove, they would lock up to my atari better....they never listened, though I did take the chain off one's pedal one night and it helped a great deal.
It's like Leadfoot said, he's no almighty soloing prog rock drumgod. But not one of those buggers could play like him either. He said it himself..... "they were looking for somebody who could go Boom Bash at fairly regular intervals, and I thought, I can do that"
IALP, Denial, and the like are extremely physical pieces for any drummer **. But Ceremony, AoC and many other have him playing constant, sequencer tight 16ths on the hats, not easy either. And does he or does he not roll his snare like a nutter on Fine Time for 7 mins (unless that's a box, memory fails me).
He's learned a bit of funk in his old age, great for stuff like I told you so, but it's that (and Barney's FUCKING COMPING!!!!!!!!!) that decmiates the power of modern versions of shadowplay....sounds like a busker's version.
**Jazz drummers do not count as they can rattle out hemidemisemiquaver triplets at 400BPM without actually moving, FREAKS!
His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Better than this:
First time I seen that I instantly thought....it's secret rehearsal footage of Steve Morris without the human suit on.
Big Mouth Julio wrote: New Dawn Fades, She's Lost Control, Disorder, Ice Age, They Walked in Line, Novelty, Sunrise, Primitive Notion
you forgot heart and soul
i had the strange irony of when clicking on this link that a picture of steve playing drums
BIGINOIL wrote: How strange, I was only wondering what Lead Foot thought of Steve the other day.
Fuck knows why, the question just popped into my head, rolled around for a bit then disappeared.
I was listening to a Monaco boot with fucking brilliant drunks on it at the time. T in t'Park from years ago. I take it that was you?
Oops, I meant drums, obviously!
Think I'd better go for a lie down.
yep that was me, thank you, the one thing that stands out for me about that gig was there was about 40 or so scotts lunatics at the front who went nutty from the moment we came on stage until we were long gone, even through blue and billy bones 
oh yeah and sean hughs drank all our rider while we were on stage, cunt
You know what's good about this thread? It's the only fookin' decent one we've had in a while,makes a change from either 'split or no split' or rehashing/digging up of old ones,or 'what's your favourite song/album/couplet/guitar intro'/pizza topping....for the thousandth time.Fookin' boring.
I'm just fed up 'cos it's Friday afternoon & I want to go home:\ohwell:
Anyway,he's a fookin' unique great drummer/percussionist/programmer.But I'm biased 
Good point you raise there Kel. His programming's great as well. It takes a player to program well, everyone knows that.Mind you I don't think Steve imposes the "two handed, two legged microchip" rule, like some do (I've watched drummers frett wildly that something they're trying to program uses more limbs than they have available in the real world, even if the whole piece is NEVER gonna get played on a kit, or if it's downright bolloxking hard from the get go, whether ther's abit that uses two toms and a snare at once or not )
Doctor? wrote: And does he or does he not roll his snare like a nutter on Fine Time for 7 mins (unless that's a box, memory fails me).
I really hope that is programmed - because if he did that live EVERY other drummer might as well just bugger off now!
I've always thought of NO as a Percussion-led band (with lead bass natch ). Steve's rhythms - live or machine driven - have always amazed/impressed me.
kel wrote: You know what's good about this thread? It's the only fookin' decent one we've had in a while,makes a change from either 'split or no split' or rehashing/digging up of old ones,or 'what's your favourite song/album/couplet/guitar intro'/pizza topping....for the thousandth time.Fookin' boring.
I'm just fed up 'cos it's Friday afternoon & I want to go home:\ohwell:
Anyway,he's a fookin' unique great drummer/percussionist/programmer.But I'm biased
Thanks Kel - as a mere Candidate I was a little hesitant about posting a new thread as the typical reaction to "new" threads is people jumping down people's throats for not knowing that this was already covered 3 years ago.
Nah, the noose is only for those who post
"what is 1963 about" and "when are noo ourdar plyn buggery county YEWW ESSSS EHHHH"
Powerful with JD. he created a new way to play drums. In a way he is a low profile genius! With No is , obviously,much more a percusionist....and a drum machine too. He's got his own style, everyone will agree with this. He's not very "lyrique" ( i don't know the english word, sorry), he doesn't play drums with a lot of liberty. I'd say he is a new kind of Moe Tucker. 
With a man like him behind u , u can play quietly! there's no chance a mistake will happen with the rythmn sequences!
Simon Simpson wrote: Ah - I understand now. 24 to go and then I graduate to ....?
Actually, you're a Young Offender now! Massive Kudos, and Cheers to bringing up that topic concerning my drumtastic hero!
JEAN NOEL BOUET wrote: Powerful with JD. he created a new way to play drums. In a way he is a low profile genius! With No is , obviously,much more a percusionist....and a drum machine too.
Much better than Maureen... What she does on drums anyone can do. But what Steve does, eh... I think few drummers could do it, really.
I'll probably get yelled at and stoned to death for posting this video, but who cares. Steve is amazing, and I certainly like New Order more than Rush, but the greatest drummer/percussionist of all time has to be Neil Peart, as shown below:
Aracri wrote:
JEAN NOEL BOUET wrote: Powerful with JD. he created a new way to play drums. In a way he is a low profile genius! With No is , obviously,much more a percusionist....and a drum machine too.
Much better than Maureen... What she does on drums anyone can do. But what Steve does, eh... I think few drummers could do it, really.
u're right! Obviously Steve doesn't play in the same league! And he's much better than Moe Tucker as a drummer. But in a way they are both playing with a similar attitude. Regular beat, not a lot of 'extras'...But the way he pkays drums is very interesting and it's not the same with Moe. Once again u're right. But well, my son is a drummer and he can easily play Steve lines. But , anyway, that's not the problem. He's got his own style, his own technic and he's fooking good:perfect!
i was dragged round the working men's clubs of east lancs as a lass by my daddy drummer (he used to make me carry his stool and his snare drum) and he says that good drummers focus more on playing well than looking good with all fancy twirling sticks like batons. hence, just like the dude with all the drums, steve's good.
i also believe that good percussionists are sooo focused on the beat that they can't even smile in case it breaks their concentration. 
i rest my case.
(unless, just like daddy, steve's a grumpy twat)
Razed In A New Division Of Agony wrote: I'll probably get yelled at and stoned to death for posting this video, but who cares. Steve is amazing, and I certainly like New Order more than Rush, but the greatest drummer/percussionist of all time has to be Neil Peart, as shown below:
F*ckin' great drum solo...
Neil Peart used to be my favorite drummer, and I think he's still great, but now my all time drum genius is Jaki Liebezeit, from a german krautrock and electronic space rock group called Can (a strong influence in several post-punk bands, as Public Image, for example). He sounds so funky and hypnotic.
melly wrote:
It's coming your way shortly.
Thank you a lot for a disc with this concert! A true surprise. Some time ago. Didn't know how to thank back.
I agree with the Neil Peart assessment... I'd say that both he and Stewart Copeland are two of the best modern rock drummers around...
That said I think that Steve Morris is criminally underrated as a drummer. It's incredibly hard to create a style that's distinctly your own and as with Neil Peart and Stewart Copeland, Steve Morris has created a simple yet extremely identifiable sound... At least identifiable until a lot of other drummers started copying his 16th note hi-hat, off-beat tom hits and double snare drum hit he does...
How good a drummer is Steven Morris? Metronomes set their time to him.
Razed In A New Division Of Agony wrote: I'll probably get yelled at and stoned to death for posting this video, but who cares. Steve is amazing, and I certainly like New Order more than Rush, but the greatest drummer/percussionist of all time has to be Neil Peart, as shown below:
Steve writes better lyrics than he does though!
I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
I tried playing the drums a while back and I couldn't keep a 16 note Hi Hat going for the as long as Steve did on Transmission and "Love Wil lTear Us Apart". I also loved how when Barney was telling steve to play "In A Lonely Place" faster, he didn't change the beat to play it faster, he just kept the toms going and I think that is VERY impressive.
He may not be all show like Zeppelins drummer, but it takes a talented musician to understand that less is more, and I think Steve does that better than anyone else :)
Razed In A New Division Of Agony wrote: I'll probably get yelled at and stoned to death for posting this video, but who cares. Steve is amazing, and I certainly like New Order more than Rush, but the greatest drummer/percussionist of all time has to be Neil Peart, as shown below:
nothing special, bonzo wrote the book, and only needed one kick drum, buddy rich, racist dumb bigoted cunt that he was,was a fuckin beast, drum rolls with ONE hand, and dave lombardo from slayer is just unbefukinleivable, fish from fishbone does 64s on the bass drum in"may your dogs colon be familiar with the warmth of your breath" and ive seen that one live!, its all subjective, they would all make new order/jd sound bobbins, horses for courses.
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
:)
Hooky has his own style, and has created some of the most beautiful melodies ever.. but the most talented in playing an instrument? have you ever heard 60mph live!!
Gary wrote:
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
:)
Hooky has his own style, and has created some of the most beautiful melodies ever.. but the most talented in playing an instrument? have you ever heard 60mph live!!
No...:(
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
You're damn right
Did Steven Morris ever screwed up live?? 
I understand that some NO guitar player has, a couple of times 
Kerry Harris wrote: That said I think that Steve Morris is criminally underrated as a drummer. It's incredibly hard to create a style that's distinctly your own and as with Neil Peart and Stewart Copeland, Steve Morris has created a simple yet extremely identifiable sound... At least identifiable until a lot of other drummers started copying his 16th note hi-hat, off-beat tom hits and double snare drum hit he does...
How good a drummer is Steven Morris? Metronomes set their time to him.
twp wrote:
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
Did Steven Morris ever screwed up live??
Oh sure. Just listen to the beginning of Passover on Still.
Tony Wilson has apparently screwed up that particular recording on Still to make it sound "more like a bootleg". Not a good idea IMHO
His Holiness, The Pope wrote:
twp wrote:
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
Did Steven Morris ever screwed up live??
Oh sure. Just listen to the beginning of Passover on Still.
OK, one time only and it's been recorded... But still... 
I've played with alot of different drummers over the last 23 years (NO, DON'T GO THERE) and asked every one of them what they think of Steve. Unanimous decision is that he's a top bloke and a great drummer. One guy said, 'Let's not do your 6 minute version of Transmission tonight. I'll need a five minute break afterwards. I don't know how that Morris bloke manages to play so many tracks like that in a row.' And that was from one of the best drummers I've ever met. Apart from SM of course.
twp wrote:
His Holiness, The Pope wrote:
twp wrote:
Rikki Mackenzie wrote: I think that apart from Hooky, he is the most talented member of the band in terms of playing an instrument.
Did Steven Morris ever screwed up live??
Oh sure. Just listen to the beginning of Passover on Still.
OK, one time only and it's been recorded... But still...
there are others. i was just pointing out one of the more easily findable ones.
Sadly, unlike old lead foot, I seldom get paid for it but like him, as the drummer in Digital, it's my some-time job to sound as "Steve-like" a possible. I think he's a great drummer - he's been a big influence on me for years. The way he combined electronic and acoustic drums was a key part of the JD sound as were the "all tom" patterns in songs like Atmosphere and IALP.
Like Chris Nash's drummer, I need a lie down after we do Transmission. Not only is it physically demanding (especially if your bass player insists on playing it at 100mph - step forward Jim Reilly) but the open hi-hats just before the "off the beat snares" in the main pattern also make it more complex than it sounds.
Colony too is really difficult to play, partly because the drum part is tricky in itself and also because the bass and drums don't lock together (the drums are in in 4/4 the bass in 3/4 type triplets) and it can all fall apart if you're not careful.
Honourable mentions also go to No Love Lost (my favourite) Dead Souls, LWTUA, Denial, Ceremony, Ecstacy, 5-8-6 and Sunrise.
Finally, check out This Time Of Night on the video of NO at the Kentish Town and Country Club in 1986 if you get the chance. Bewildering interplay between the hi-hat, snare and drum pads and all the time playing along with a sequencer - at which, by the way, he is also a master.
Too bloody right Jon. Drummers have accused me of playing tracks in the wrong timing until I've sat them down in front of a video or made them listen to a tape. The looks on the'r faces is always hilarious 
Jon and Chris, thanks for that insight. Not being able to play a lick makes me underappreciate drummers like Steve. Your explanations helped alleviate that problem
Ditto for me- If you could send it I would be eternally grateful!
Cheers, Veronica
[lost in benidorm...] ['sunshine'] wrote:
nmc wrote:
Aracri wrote: A few hours ago I was watching the soundcheck of Hacienda '87 concert (I got it in a weed)... Steve's drum soundcheck is the best part, simply. He sounds like a drum machine and created some fantastic drum riffs as "Wilderness", "Atmosphere", "Doubts Even Here", "Ecstasy" (my favorite) and "Primitive Notion". Very inventive.
That's really freakin' weird.. I am in the process of burning this onto NTSC DVD right now at this moment (for personal consumption of course). :) But I agree, one of the highlights was his drum soundcheck.
The date of said concert was June 10th 1987 I believe. 20 years...
Steve is a good drummer and all, but I'm sorry he's not in the same league as Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds. Mel is a fookin GOD on drums!
I was just listening to "Sister Ray" live on the glastonbury album. He goes a bit mad on that.
old lead foot wrote:
BIGINOIL wrote: How strange, I was only wondering what Lead Foot thought of Steve the other day.
Fuck knows why, the question just popped into my head, rolled around for a bit then disappeared.
I was listening to a Monaco boot with fucking brilliant drunks on it at the time. T in t'Park from years ago. I take it that was you?
Oops, I meant drums, obviously!
Think I'd better go for a lie down.
yep that was me, thank you, the one thing that stands out for me about that gig was there was about 40 or so scotts lunatics at the front who went nutty from the moment we came on stage until we were long gone, even through blue and billy bones
How strange, I was only wondering what Lead Foot thought of Shaun Hughes the other day.
Do I win £40?
The other one wrote: Sadly, unlike old lead foot, I seldom get paid for it but like him, as the drummer in Digital, it's my some-time job to sound as "Steve-like" a possible. I think he's a great drummer - he's been a big influence on me for years. The way he combined electronic and acoustic drums was a key part of the JD sound as were the "all tom" patterns in songs like Atmosphere and IALP.
Like Chris Nash's drummer, I need a lie down after we do Transmission. Not only is it physically demanding (especially if your bass player insists on playing it at 100mph - step forward Jim Reilly) but the open hi-hats just before the "off the beat snares" in the main pattern also make it more complex than it sounds.
Colony too is really difficult to play, partly because the drum part is tricky in itself and also because the bass and drums don't lock together (the drums are in in 4/4 the bass in 3/4 type triplets) and it can all fall apart if you're not careful.
Honourable mentions also go to No Love Lost (my favourite) Dead Souls, LWTUA, Denial, Ceremony, Ecstacy, 5-8-6 and Sunrise.
Finally, check out This Time Of Night on the video of NO at the Kentish Town and Country Club in 1986 if you get the chance. Bewildering interplay between the hi-hat, snare and drum pads and all the time playing along with a sequencer - at which, by the way, he is also a master.
You left me speechless on NOOLday.
When you were soundchecking crystal, it wasn't until you fluffed it that I realised you were playing something approximating BOTH the machine and real drum parts. Freak
One day I'll get the audio off that Timothy fellow, and see how big a bollox I made of mixing yous.
As a plankist, I must say I appreciate a good drummer, and the best and most consistent ones I've played with are the ones that rate Steve (and can also play to a machine). The ones who say Steve is shite are always the ones who fuck up left right and centre, no matter how good their "killer chops" might be. Then again, I find playing bass to a click really hard, which is odd because I can play keys to cubase's Beep boop boop boop like a demon.
Re Dr?'s last post (sorry - I haven't yet figured out how to insert previous posts and reply to them!) I think Tim made a recording of us on NOOL day so maybe he could get you a copy. As for our version of Crystal, I think that was only the third time we'd played it live so I was still experimenting with it. Initially I did a pretty straight copy of what Steve does live which is a fairly steady beat all the way through, with the "cha-cha" bits on his percussion pads. Then The Reilly insisted that I do 16s on the hi-hat during the chorus so it ended up as a bit of a mixture of NO's live and sequenced parts. During the breaks I was just looking to do something around the beat but to stay with the sequencer to break it up before the bass comes back in.
As you point out, it's very easy to drift from the sequencer / drum machine if you're not careful which is why I have to wear those rather attractive headphones when we play anything with a sequencer. It's rather a bizarre experience. All I can hear is the sequencer part - I can see the rest of the guys playing and singing but can't hear anything they're doing. I can barely even hear myself which is why - getting back to the original point of this thread - I've got such admiration for the way Steve can play along with a drum box and still swing at the same time.
Oh by the way - one more Morris gem. The way the hi-hat fades in part way through Decades. Genius.
So it's basically agreed that even if not everyone thinks Steve is the best drummer in the world, he should be in the 'Drummers' Hall Of Fame'?
Yeah without a doubt. Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds should go in first though, since he's a much better drummer
Isamu wrote: Yeah without a doubt. Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds should go in first though, since he's a much better drummer
Isamu wrote: Steve is a good drummer and all, but I'm sorry he's not in the same league as Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds. Mel is a fookin GOD on drums!
Isamu wrote: Yeah without a doubt. Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds should go in first though, since he's a much better drummer
OK, you've done it now. We always knew that you posted on here incognito, but now the veneer has cracked. Come on, admit it, you are Steve Morris :)
One of the great things about being in Digital is the chance to work with some really good musicians. And the Digital guys sometimes, when they turn up for rehearsals.
Seriously, Jon Stubley is by far the best drummer I have ever worked with, as Cambo says, he's a drum machine tribute as well! Can I buy you an electronic kit though Jon, as my ears ring for two days after a rehearsal, you don't half give 'em a whack!
I can also recommend the drumming diet. All you do is play Transmission then Ceremony then Sunrise, then drink a litre of water, then repeat the same three songs, then drink a litre of water etc etc. Jon was 42 stone when we started the band, made Grant Hart look like a beanpole!
Hurt and She's Lost Control(from Leigh festival) just blow me away everytime, he is just sheer brilliance
This is typical words from guitar player ! I am myself a drummer and i wonder your words. Maybe we had to ask that thing from basist, who is good drummer.Good drummer keeps the beat up and plays well together with bass player.Don't bother your mind where is the 1 or 2 hits to the tomtoms.Thats it,shame on you
oldmonkey wrote: One of the great things about being in Digital is the chance to work with some really good musicians. And the Digital guys sometimes, when they turn up for rehearsals.
Seriously, Jon Stubley is by far the best drummer I have ever worked with, as Cambo says, he's a drum machine tribute as well! Can I buy you an electronic kit though Jon, as my ears ring for two days after a rehearsal, you don't half give 'em a whack!
I can also recommend the drumming diet. All you do is play Transmission then Ceremony then Sunrise, then drink a litre of water, then repeat the same three songs, then drink a litre of water etc etc. Jon was 42 stone when we started the band, made Grant Hart look like a beanpole!
Class, Tim. Uber-class.
I always thought the drumming in We All Stand [Ayr '83] just amazed me. Never thought he could drum as wicked cool as that. :) Always gets me dancing, every time.
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Juha Nieminen wrote: This is typical words from guitar player ! I am myself a drummer and i wonder your words. Maybe we had to ask that thing from basist, who is good drummer.Good drummer keeps the beat up and plays well together with bass player.Don't bother your mind where is the 1 or 2 hits to the tomtoms.Thats it,shame on you
What's Finnish for "think you've misunderstood us mate, we're appreciating drummers here"?
oldmonkey wrote: One of the great things about being in Digital is the chance to work with some really good musicians. And the Digital guys sometimes, when they turn up for rehearsals.
Seriously, Jon Stubley is by far the best drummer I have ever worked with, as Cambo says, he's a drum machine tribute as well! Can I buy you an electronic kit though Jon, as my ears ring for two days after a rehearsal, you don't half give 'em a whack!
I can also recommend the drumming diet. All you do is play Transmission then Ceremony then Sunrise, then drink a litre of water, then repeat the same three songs, then drink a litre of water etc etc. Jon was 42 stone when we started the band, made Grant Hart look like a beanpole!
Hey Tim - Love you guys too but I think that's enough "Digital love-in" for one thread. J. :)
Juha Nieminen wrote: This is typical words from guitar player ! I am myself a drummer and i wonder your words. Maybe we had to ask that thing from basist, who is good drummer.Good drummer keeps the beat up and plays well together with bass player.Don't bother your mind where is the 1 or 2 hits to the tomtoms.Thats it,shame on you
Hey - Give him a break! He's a bass player as well. By the way (very long shot this) you're not part of an organ / drum duo are you? Litmanen and Nieminen? If so I saw you in Oulu a year or two ago and you were awesome. If not - I'll get me coat. 
Okay, i just stand behind every drummer.When i see that somebody is say something negative to another drummer,i rase my hair up.I just playing drums, in not so famous band,but i always keeping the beat.I'm like the metronome
remind me to polish up my finnish, or finish up my polishing then, cos I can't see anything negative about Steve's drumming in this thread!
oldmonkey wrote: remind me to polish up my finnish, or finish up my polishing then, cos I can't see anything negative about Steve's drumming in this thread!
Amen to that, Tim!!
Juha Nieminen wrote: This is typical words from guitar player ! I am myself a drummer and i wonder your words. Maybe we had to ask that thing from basist, who is good drummer.Good drummer keeps the beat up and plays well together with bass player.Don't bother your mind where is the 1 or 2 hits to the tomtoms.Thats it,shame on you
I do beg your pardon! The other posters seem to have accepted that a guitarist might want to "bother his head" with this question so what's your problem!
Simon Simpson wrote:
Juha Nieminen wrote: This is typical words from guitar player ! I am myself a drummer and i wonder your words. Maybe we had to ask that thing from basist, who is good drummer.Good drummer keeps the beat up and plays well together with bass player.Don't bother your mind where is the 1 or 2 hits to the tomtoms.Thats it,shame on you
I do beg your pardon! The other posters seem to have accepted that a guitarist might want to "bother his head" with this question so what's your problem!
As a guitarist, anything involving good timekeeping confuses the hell out of him most likely.
I been playing drums for about 5 years, and have been playing keyboards and programing for over 15 years.
What makes Stephen Morris amazing is the fact that he plays fast, he likes offbeats, and he is very tight. "Like a machine should be"
Dont believe me? Play transmission using the same exact hi hat pattern for the entire length of the song, then come back to me.
You do not have to be a drum god like John Bonham or Neil Pert to be considered a great drummer. But you MUST do something out of the ordinary when you are playing your drums to be considered great.
I think in a very humbling way that Steve is such a drummer.
Damn it. I hope they would go on.....You are killing me hooky!!! :)
BONOMAN5064 wrote: I been playing drums for about 5 years, and have been playing keyboards and programing for over 15 years.
What makes Stephen Morris amazing is the fact that he plays fast, he likes offbeats, and he is very tight. "Like a machine should be"
Dont believe me? Play transmission using the same exact hi hat pattern for the entire length of the song, then come back to me.
You do not have to be a drum god like John Bonham or Neil Pert to be considered a great drummer. But you MUST do something out of the ordinary when you are playing your drums to be considered great.
I think in a very humbling way that Steve is such a drummer.
Damn it. I hope they would go on.....You are killing me hooky!!! :)
What a very good early post. What I was trying to say earlier, but said rather better
Big Black wrote:
Isamu wrote: Yeah without a doubt. Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds should go in first though, since he's a much better drummer
I don't understand what's so funny. Are you saying Steve can outdo Mel on the drums? Mel's drumming is nothing short of perfect and hypnotising! Steve's drumming is exceptional but not in the same league as Mel. If you disagree I'd sure like to see you disprove my claim.
Isamu wrote:
Big Black wrote:
Isamu wrote: Yeah without a doubt. Mel Gaynor from Simple Minds should go in first though, since he's a much better drummer
I don't understand what's so funny. Are you saying Steve can outdo Mel on the drums? Mel's drumming is nothing short of perfect and hypnotising! Steve's drumming is exceptional but not in the same league as Mel. If you disagree I'd sure like to see you disprove my claim.
Go change the colostomy, it's overflowing again.....
oldmonkey wrote:
Go change the colostomy, it's overflowing again.....
C'mon OM enough with the jokes man. I would love to see you present your opinions on what you think makes Steve a better drummer than Mel.
Wellllllll
Steve's never played for Chrissie Hinde's stunt cock, for one thing.
for another, Mel is a "clever" drummer, but his basic, fundamental style is groovy, not the impossibly precise metronome that is Mr Morris.
And I've heard em both live. I liked simple minds once, then Jim Married the creature from the black lagoon, and albums like sister feelings call, were replaced with stadium wank I never even learned the names of.
Doctor? wrote: Wellllllll
Steve's never played for Chrissie Hinde's stunt cock, for one thing.
for another, Mel is a "clever" drummer, but his basic, fundamental style is groovy, not the impossibly precise metronome that is Mr Morris.
And I've heard em both live. I liked simple minds once, then Jim Married the creature from the black lagoon, and albums like sister feelings call, were replaced with stadium wank I never even learned the names of.
mels a good drummer 'n all, but he aint ORIGIONAL, and besides, the guy is a hoar
Doctor? wrote: Wellllllll
Steve's never played for Chrissie Hinde's stunt cock, for one thing.
for another, Mel is a "clever" drummer, but his basic, fundamental style is groovy, not the impossibly precise metronome that is Mr Morris.
And I've heard em both live. I liked simple minds once, then Jim Married the creature from the black lagoon, and albums like sister feelings call, were replaced with stadium wank I never even learned the names of.
Seconded.
his ability to keep time ,, was well demonstrated at womak 85 when the band half stopped playing as barney "introduced" on drums., steve morris,,, he just larfed ,shook his head , kept the beat together ,, great gig ,, great drummer.
wondering what will come next
Doctor? wrote: Wellllllll
Steve's never played for Chrissie Hinde's stunt cock, for one thing.
for another, Mel is a "clever" drummer, but his basic, fundamental style is groovy, not the impossibly precise metronome that is Mr Morris.
And I've heard em both live. I liked simple minds once, then Jim Married the creature from the black lagoon, and albums like sister feelings call, were replaced with stadium wank I never even learned the names of.
79 order wrote: his ability to keep time ,, was well demonstrated at womak 85 when the band half stopped playing as barney "introduced" on drums., steve morris,,, he just larfed ,shook his head , kept the beat together ,, great gig ,, great drummer.
wondering what will come next
Well said, both of you!!
Egad, Cambo...
