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Seeing that Barney and Steve are soon to launch Bad Lieutenant and Hooky is well into Freebass, I think the chances of an Order reunion are pretty much dead in the water. Hook cannot really be replaced: the man is a unique player and part of the character of JD/NO. If all parties are intent on pursuing new projects, we'll have to accept that really is the end so...

How about rounding things off nicely with a live album of the Buenos Aires finale along with a disc of the WFTSC out-takes or is that far too organised? I mean, come on: Turn and the Hyde Park/Hammerstein DVD were never released!

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Give London Records time.

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How long do we give them, bearing in mind it's nigh-on a year since the BA finale?

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I've completely given up hope of getting any decent releases or re-releases from London Records / Warners. They're incompetent and have mostly never had a clue what to do with the NO/JD back catalogue. Singles was a badly mastered, half-baked cash in, the DVD releases from 2005 were simple transfers of what we already had on VHS and the list of disappointments gets bigger every time they make one of their "efforts".

Even the recent Joy Division reissues were averagely done (no 24 Hours on Still, semi-tone out Ice Age, no These Days on the LWTUA single etc) and the excessive vinyl box set price had zero justification other than financing Barney's next yacht trip to the Caribbean. Nobody's saying they shouldn't make money but the recent set of band-related releases have been of sub-par quality and massively overpriced.

You look at other bands like PSB or Depeche and their record labels have done their music proud with extensive reissues and decent rarities. Even smaller time Factory bands like Section 25 and Revenge have had their material re-released on far better terms than anything Warners will ever manage with New Order. Perhaps an online petition to allow Mr Nice @ LTM to take over their reissue campaign?

Finally, you can just tell the band clearly don't give a shit about what the label puts out in their name (see Retro - the one chance for a decent box set pissed up the wall) so it's safe to say my hopes for London Records to put out something truly indispensable as say, Substance 1987 are pretty fcuking low now.

In complete fairness, the last indispensable release London was responsible for was Heart and soul but that was TEN ruddy years ago now! :banghead:

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Do you we really want Buenos Aires as a memento? I'd rather wait until Bernard is convinced some early NO concerts sound great than have another live release from the post-Gillian Order.

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JV wrote: Do you we really want Buenos Aires as a memento? I'd rather wait until Bernard is convinced some early NO concerts sound great than have another live release from the post-Gillian Order.

You may be waiting some time ... James of LTM was hoping to release one of the US '89 gigs a while back and was waiting on final confirmation from Barney ...

... er, and I think that was a good two, maybe three years ago!! :lol:

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Without knowing for sure, it does seem to be Barney who continually puts the foot down on prospective rarities and live show releases. He's said more than once over the years that he's never seen the point in live albums and further proof is the Electronic Best Of having zilch new material on it.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons Hooky was so fcuked off with the direction the band was heading? An inability to manage the back catalogue well enough in order to both give the fans something new and make a bit of money (however small).

On the other hand, Hooky's well known for his garage full of gig tapes, accidental "leaks" of said tapes and judging by the way Revenge were released on LTM he was more than happy to chuck out a few live shows even if it only was to a select audience.

Once again, other bands do this sort of thing much better. Crowded House in particular have got distributing their gigs to fans totally nailed; they've set up a website and you can download the whole show for a fiver a go or buy the CD for a tenner. You don't have to like their music but it's an example of what New Order fans can only dream of :shrug:

Imagine a similar site archived with NO gigs from the '80 to '89 period? Most people on here would bankrupt themselves ordering the CDs (myself included) :nod:

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ally wrote:

Imagine a similar site archived with NO gigs from the '80 to '89 period? Most people on here would bankrupt themselves ordering the CDs (myself included) :nod:

Or could set their own one up and retire on the proceeds! :evil4:

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El Jarvo wrote:

JV wrote: Do you we really want Buenos Aires as a memento? I'd rather wait until Bernard is convinced some early NO concerts sound great than have another live release from the post-Gillian Order.

You may be waiting some time ... James of LTM was hoping to release one of the US '89 gigs a while back and was waiting on final confirmation from Barney ...

... er, and I think that was a good two, maybe three years ago!! :lol:

Just curious... Which gig?

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Mr disco 99 wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

JV wrote: Do you we really want Buenos Aires as a memento? I'd rather wait until Bernard is convinced some early NO concerts sound great than have another live release from the post-Gillian Order.

You may be waiting some time ... James of LTM was hoping to release one of the US '89 gigs a while back and was waiting on final confirmation from Barney ...

... er, and I think that was a good two, maybe three years ago!! :lol:

Just curious... Which gig?

Must be the Irvine, California one. One of the best quality live recordings around.

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

Mr disco 99 wrote: Just curious... Which gig?

Must be the Irvine, California one. One of the best quality live recordings around.

Might've been Irvine, can't remember.

Just email him and ask - he's dead approachable.

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no These Days on the LWTUA single ally? Apart from the new 7 inch VINYL single though.Don't tell me i have got a RARE one!:lol:

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ally wrote: Once again, other bands do this sort of thing much better. Crowded House in particular have got distributing their gigs to fans totally nailed; they've set up a website and you can download the whole show for a fiver a go or buy the CD for a tenner. You don't have to like their music but it's an example of what New Order fans can only dream of :shrug:

Imagine a similar site archived with NO gigs from the '80 to '89 period? Most people on here would bankrupt themselves ordering the CDs (myself included) :nod:

Half the fun of collecting bootlegs lies in the search for them. There's nothing more gratifying than finally getting your hands on one that you've searched for for ages.

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i reckon Barneys taking the piss with this Bad Leftenant name thingy.

He's made the name up, and it won't ever see the light of day. :nod:

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ROCKET MICK wrote: no These Days on the LWTUA single ally? Apart from the new 7 inch VINYL single though.Don't tell me i have got a RARE one!:lol:

Was meaning the CD so you probably haven't got a rare 7" copy, Mick :lol: My mistake.

Still best to keep it MINTY mint though :nod:

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Geri wrote:

ally wrote: Once again, other bands do this sort of thing much better. Crowded House in particular have got distributing their gigs to fans totally nailed; they've set up a website and you can download the whole show for a fiver a go or buy the CD for a tenner. You don't have to like their music but it's an example of what New Order fans can only dream of :shrug:

Imagine a similar site archived with NO gigs from the '80 to '89 period? Most people on here would bankrupt themselves ordering the CDs (myself included) :nod:

Half the fun of collecting bootlegs lies in the search for them. There's nothing more gratifying than finally getting your hands on one that you've searched for for ages.

Right, I don`t want to have all bootlegs. What else to do in the evening ? TV:skeptic:

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King John Honest John wrote: i reckon Barneys taking the piss with this Bad Leftenant name thingy.

He's made the name up, and it won't ever see the light of day. :nod:

Did he say he was working on something called Bad Lieutenant... Might just be renovating a yacht... :nod:

Snorri xxx

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Retro was the sound of a band pssing away a brilliant opportunity because they couldn't be bothered to put in one afternoons work going through the tracklisting : I did my own version that, over five discs, captured a best of (using the rare edits and versions of the major singles), the bsides-covers-vocal rarities, the non-Substance 12" mixes/remixes, a amalgam 93-98-01 concert, and a fifth disc of the generally hard-to-find rubbish. Took me about 2 hours.

What NO need is someone who actually GIVES A SHIT about their back catalogue. I think we'd all be quite happy to see a 'Collectors Edition' of each album rounding up the vinyl-only / deleted material and a concert from each era. And I'm flabbergasted they haven't yet ported PFOD / Academy / Montrux 93 to DVD - at the least they could've sweetened the "Item" deal with Montreux 93 and the videos from the long deleted 'Factory Film'/'Shorts'/etc VHS and the "Happy One" video on the menus, ffs.

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This development breaks my heart. It's like watching a close relative slowly disintergrate in a nursing home. Just think back to 1989, and how fucking cool and essential the Technique campaign and its packaging looked.

If Hooky's 'unloved' Revenge project can get better treatment from Mr Nice's LTM label, then why don't we petition those twats at Warners/London.

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King John Honest John wrote: i reckon Barneys taking the piss with this Bad Leftenant name thingy.

He's made the name up, and it won't ever see the light of day. :nod:

:nod:

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