Stephen Hague/New Order True Faith SOS March 2005

I did a forum search and don't think anyone posted this link:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/articles/classictracks.htm

An interesting read. So that's how Barney came up with the lyrics??:p

makes you wonder why they didn't try that more often.

And more evidence on "What was the point of Rob Gretton"

A cracking read & a great insight,really enjoyed it.&,as someone already pointed out & not that it needed confirming anyway to those who know,that's why Rob Gretton.

Anyone noticed how much Stephen Hague looks like Anton Corbijn?

Can anyone tell how exactly True Faith-94 is different from the original True Faith? I'm talking about the version found on (the best of) New Order released in 1994. To me it sounds exactly the same, although much clearer (but that's just reworking some channels, isn't it?). So what exactly was added or changed?

Good article. Thanks for posting the link

Printed it off and took it home to read... All very clever those studio types...

That article gave more of an insight into New Order than David Nolan's entire book.

Morton_fan wrote: That article gave more of an insight into New Order than David Nolan's entire book.

Have to say I thought the same when I read it last night...

Wondered if Nolan had ever read that article

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Can anyone tell how exactly True Faith-94 is different from the original True Faith? I'm talking about the version found on (the best of) New Order released in 1994. To me it sounds exactly the same, although much clearer (but that's just reworking some channels, isn't it?). So what exactly was added or changed?

It's clearer, the beat is slightly harder edged if I recall correctly too. Also, the vocals have been slightly tweaked with, for example, the line 'now that we've grown up together' has a slightly different tone to it. It's basically identical though The same was done with 1963.

Morton_fan wrote: That article gave more of an insight into New Order than David Nolan's entire book.

That is so true .

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone noticed how much Stephen Hague looks like Anton Corbijn?

Nah! He looks like Ricardo with hair :D

DShamen wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Can anyone tell how exactly True Faith-94 is different from the original True Faith? I'm talking about the version found on (the best of) New Order released in 1994. To me it sounds exactly the same, although much clearer (but that's just reworking some channels, isn't it?). So what exactly was added or changed?

It's clearer, the beat is slightly harder edged if I recall correctly too. Also, the vocals have been slightly tweaked with, for example, the line 'now that we've grown up together' has a slightly different tone to it. It's basically identical though The same was done with 1963.

if you can't tell the difference between 1963 (b-side to true faith) and 1963-94 (the single) you must have a severe hearing problem, there's shit loads more hooky on it, a great hammond b3 style organ on the chords at the end, the intro is totally different and it knock the spots off the original, which is why new order should have worked with arthur baker a lot more, he's the producer who understands hooky the most, steve hague didn't at all.

BTW I have a PDF of the article Sound On Sound did on technique in April 89, which is fairly good, but doesn't answer the old question about the vocal on fine time, if anyone wants it pm me your email address and I'll send it to you.

Jed Stephens wrote:

DShamen wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Can anyone tell how exactly True Faith-94 is different from the original True Faith? I'm talking about the version found on (the best of) New Order released in 1994. To me it sounds exactly the same, although much clearer (but that's just reworking some channels, isn't it?). So what exactly was added or changed?

It's clearer, the beat is slightly harder edged if I recall correctly too. Also, the vocals have been slightly tweaked with, for example, the line 'now that we've grown up together' has a slightly different tone to it. It's basically identical though The same was done with 1963.

if you can't tell the difference between 1963 (b-side to true faith) and 1963-94 (the single) you must have a severe hearing problem, there's shit loads more hooky on it, a great hammond b3 style organ on the chords at the end, the intro is totally different and it knock the spots off the original, which is why new order should have worked with arthur baker a lot more, he's the producer who understands hooky the most, steve hague didn't at all.

BTW I have a PDF of the article Sound On Sound did on technique in April 89, which is fairly good, but doesn't answer the old question about the vocal on fine time, if anyone wants it pm me your email address and I'll send it to you.

Are you referring to the 1963 version found on the English compilation CD (the best of) or 1995 single? And I actually talked about True Faith.

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Are you referring to the 1963 version found on the English compilation CD (the best of) or 1995 single? And I actually talked about True Faith.

I was meaning the 95 single, I may have misinterpreted your posting, i thought you were implying that they didn't do much in the way of re-mixing 1963-95 (not 94 as i previously put), sorry if I seemed a bit harsh.

As for the so called re mix of true faith, it's more like a re-mastering, no alteration to structure or instrumetation at all, as far as i can tell.