eBay item of New Order Gibson Les Paul Guitar
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Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
yep that sort of lack of attention to detail annoys me
though the "designed by peter saville" bit looks like it's only a reference to the colour skin for the sculpture.
there's a whole load of other designs based on the same mould/cast and painted with a nod to other bands and artists.
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Also, don't forget, this is actually part of a tribute to Les Paul and his Les Paul guitar, not a particular tribute to New Order. It's great to have New Order's participation.
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Where did you get that from?
oldmonkey wrote:
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Where did you get that from?
I read about it in an interview of Johnny Marr and his guitars. I have to dig up the magazine - it was in the mid-90s. Will look for it this weekend.
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Where did you get that from?
I read about it in an interview of Johnny Marr and his guitars. I have to dig up the magazine - it was in the mid-90s. Will look for it this weekend.
In the video, he's playing a 335, or maybe a 330, which I am informed is Marr's fave guitar.
Bernard bought a Gibson 330 when New Order started, it was obviously his pride and joy as he stuck with it for many years. He's used a Tokai strat as well, and an SG Standard since 2001, a different one to the one he was using towards the end of Joy Division. He's used a Rickenbacker 12 string for LWTUA since 2005 as well.
I've certainly never known or heard/read of him using a Les Paul, either live or in the studio, though it is obviously a possibility that he used one in the studio.
oldmonkey wrote: Bernard bought a Gibson 330 when New Order started, it was obviously his pride and joy as he stuck with it for many years. He's used a Tokai strat as well, and an SG Standard since 2001, a different one to the one he was using towards the end of Joy Division. He's used a Rickenbacker 12 string for LWTUA since 2005 as well.
I've certainly never known or heard/read of him using a Les Paul, either live or in the studio, though it is obviously a possibility that he used one in the studio.
Here's where I get really technical about guitars: Actually the Gibson 330 is a Gibson 335 TD built probably late-70s to early-80s with a coil splitter. I know because I have one (it is my pride and joy) and before I bought it I really researched it for sometime. Only the late-70s to early 80s models have the coil splitter (this is the the switch on the horn, which allows the PAF humbucker pickup to split to sound like a single pickup, and is how Bernard gets the really high treble sound in his playing like in The Perfect Kiss video). For whatever reason, this model is not easily found in America, although I have noticed a lot of British musicians playing them more often than Americans.
It looks like Bernard bought a few 330s by the time Republic was out, since a lot of the live photos then and the Baywatch video shows Bernard playing a red sunburst 330 (there's also a tobacco sunburst that he plays as well). 330s have a different pickup than the 335s PAF pickup, by the way... they are called "soapdish pickups" because of its look. 330s are also lighter because they are truly hollow, while the 335 are semi-hollow (they have a block of wood through the center of the body, which gives it more sustain).
Bernard is shown with a Fender Telecaster in the TOTP video of Round & Round, and I'm sure he's got plenty of other guitars since musicians are probably happy to have a variety of tone rather than one or two guitars with the same sound. Afterall, he does have an acoustic for As It Was When It Was and Run Wild.
Sorry - I'm a guitar fan, obviously. I have my collection of Rickenbackers, Gibsons and Fenders everywhere, but my "Bernard" guitars are my faves.
Jed Stephens wrote:
In the video, he's playing a 335, or maybe a 330, which I am informed is Marr's fave guitar.
In the video (the real video, not the Baywatch one), this is the same 335 that OldMonkey is referring to from his early New Order period. Look at the bottom horn of the guitar, and you'll see the coil splitter switch. He uses the guitar for the video shoot, but apparently not for the actual recording in the studio.
oldmonkey wrote:
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Where did you get that from?
And here is the article: The Guitar Magazine, January 1997, "This Chiming Man"
And the quote in the article:
"For amps, Marr again relies on a few old favourites. 'In particular, there's my Fender Deluxe - very punchy and hot, but not too distorted. You can hear the natural sound of that really well on Feel Every Beat by Electronic. I also used a Fender Pro a lot - that was also on a lot of the early Smiths records, while my Blackface Twin was used from the Queen Is Dead onwards. you can hear the Pro really well on New Order's Regret - Bernard (Sumner) borrowed my Les Paul and Pro for that, so he owes me some money as well."
When you smack someone on the head with it, does it go 'plink', 'thud' or 'bonnngggg'?
That's how I judge a guitar 
Oh and active or passive pickups?
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Which all begs the question "why did they use a Les Paul shape and not a 335, when Bernard has never used a Les Paul?"
Actually, Bernard did use Johnny Marr's Les Paul to record Regret.
Where did you get that from?
And here is the article: The Guitar Magazine, January 1997, "This Chiming Man"
And the quote in the article:
"For amps, Marr again relies on a few old favourites. 'In particular, there's my Fender Deluxe - very punchy and hot, but not too distorted. You can hear the natural sound of that really well on Feel Every Beat by Electronic. I also used a Fender Pro a lot - that was also on a lot of the early Smiths records, while my Blackface Twin was used from the Queen Is Dead onwards. you can hear the Pro really well on New Order's Regret - Bernard (Sumner) borrowed my Les Paul and Pro for that, so he owes me some money as well."
Nice one, cheers Eric
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Bernard bought a Gibson 330 when New Order started, it was obviously his pride and joy as he stuck with it for many years. He's used a Tokai strat as well, and an SG Standard since 2001, a different one to the one he was using towards the end of Joy Division. He's used a Rickenbacker 12 string for LWTUA since 2005 as well.
I've certainly never known or heard/read of him using a Les Paul, either live or in the studio, though it is obviously a possibility that he used one in the studio.
Here's where I get really technical about guitars: Actually the Gibson 330 is a Gibson 335 TD built probably late-70s to early-80s with a coil splitter. I know because I have one (it is my pride and joy) and before I bought it I really researched it for sometime. Only the late-70s to early 80s models have the coil splitter (this is the the switch on the horn, which allows the PAF humbucker pickup to split to sound like a single pickup, and is how Bernard gets the really high treble sound in his playing like in The Perfect Kiss video). For whatever reason, this model is not easily found in America, although I have noticed a lot of British musicians playing them more often than Americans.
It looks like Bernard bought a few 330s by the time Republic was out, since a lot of the live photos then and the Baywatch video shows Bernard playing a red sunburst 330 (there's also a tobacco sunburst that he plays as well). 330s have a different pickup than the 335s PAF pickup, by the way... they are called "soapdish pickups" because of its look. 330s are also lighter because they are truly hollow, while the 335 are semi-hollow (they have a block of wood through the center of the body, which gives it more sustain).
Bernard is shown with a Fender Telecaster in the TOTP video of Round & Round, and I'm sure he's got plenty of other guitars since musicians are probably happy to have a variety of tone rather than one or two guitars with the same sound. Afterall, he does have an acoustic for As It Was When It Was and Run Wild.
Sorry - I'm a guitar fan, obviously. I have my collection of Rickenbackers, Gibsons and Fenders everywhere, but my "Bernard" guitars are my faves.
This is fascinating stuff, I really appreciate this. The only time I can recall him ever talking about a guitar on stage (besides asides about tuning) was when he referred to his "Ceremony guitar, a 1959 Les Paul" at Kilkenny in 1983, but he was off his face at that gig.
oldmonkey wrote:
Eric Wang wrote:
oldmonkey wrote: Bernard bought a Gibson 330 when New Order started, it was obviously his pride and joy as he stuck with it for many years. He's used a Tokai strat as well, and an SG Standard since 2001, a different one to the one he was using towards the end of Joy Division. He's used a Rickenbacker 12 string for LWTUA since 2005 as well.
I've certainly never known or heard/read of him using a Les Paul, either live or in the studio, though it is obviously a possibility that he used one in the studio.
Here's where I get really technical about guitars: Actually the Gibson 330 is a Gibson 335 TD built probably late-70s to early-80s with a coil splitter. I know because I have one (it is my pride and joy) and before I bought it I really researched it for sometime. Only the late-70s to early 80s models have the coil splitter (this is the the switch on the horn, which allows the PAF humbucker pickup to split to sound like a single pickup, and is how Bernard gets the really high treble sound in his playing like in The Perfect Kiss video). For whatever reason, this model is not easily found in America, although I have noticed a lot of British musicians playing them more often than Americans.
It looks like Bernard bought a few 330s by the time Republic was out, since a lot of the live photos then and the Baywatch video shows Bernard playing a red sunburst 330 (there's also a tobacco sunburst that he plays as well). 330s have a different pickup than the 335s PAF pickup, by the way... they are called "soapdish pickups" because of its look. 330s are also lighter because they are truly hollow, while the 335 are semi-hollow (they have a block of wood through the center of the body, which gives it more sustain).
Bernard is shown with a Fender Telecaster in the TOTP video of Round & Round, and I'm sure he's got plenty of other guitars since musicians are probably happy to have a variety of tone rather than one or two guitars with the same sound. Afterall, he does have an acoustic for As It Was When It Was and Run Wild.
Sorry - I'm a guitar fan, obviously. I have my collection of Rickenbackers, Gibsons and Fenders everywhere, but my "Bernard" guitars are my faves.
This is fascinating stuff, I really appreciate this. The only time I can recall him ever talking about a guitar on stage (besides asides about tuning) was when he referred to his "Ceremony guitar, a 1959 Les Paul" at Kilkenny in 1983, but he was off his face at that gig.
No problem and my pleasure. It's pretty cool to know that there is some equipment used by New Order that was in the Smiths' records and Marr's stash of stuff. I love reading and talking about music gear.
It might as well have done.
I'm surprised it lasted so long in that London without someone pulling it to peices.
You could have bought one of Bill's lovely UP renderings in a choice of colours for that kind of dough.
Wasn't it one of a selection based on the same Les Paul shape? So really it's not a Saville peice at all; just something he's coloured in?
Sour grapes, perhaps, but I'm not crying into my beer about not having this in my house.
Eric Wang wrote:
worldinmotion wrote: Nice item I think I should get it
Congrats about this!
Money raised went to three chosen charities; The Princes Trust, Nordoff-Robbins Music Therapy and Teenage Cancer Trust.
I'd like a big box Gibson like that.
Toss up between that and a Rickenbacker for my next, err, investment 
oldmonkey wrote: Bernard bought a Gibson 330 when New Order started, it was obviously his pride and joy as he stuck with it for many years. He's used a Tokai strat as well, and an SG Standard since 2001, a different one to the one he was using towards the end of Joy Division. He's used a Rickenbacker 12 string for LWTUA since 2005 as well.
I've certainly never known or heard/read of him using a Les Paul, either live or in the studio, though it is obviously a possibility that he used one in the studio.
Not to be a totally geeky guitar gearhead but I believe Bernard has been using a Gibson SG Jr. since 2001, not a standard. The SG Jr's are the ones with one pickup and the wrap around pickguard.
Also, I know people have brought up that Tokai Strat before but I believe it was actually a Fender Japanese Squire Strat, not a Tokai that he used around 1963/True Faith era... (I know he recorded True Faith with a Japanese Squire Strat and while it's possible he had a Squire strat and a Tokai strat it seems unlikely... that said I've certainly been wrong about things before :))
Yep, it's an SG Junior, the single bridge pickup is a P-90 - the same pickup used on the ES-330 that's his main guitar these days, at least according to Guitar Player:
Not sure when he switched from the 335 to the 330, but judging from pictures it was sometime between 93 and 98.
He's also been seen with a Ric 330 live (somewhat similar but not the same as the Gibson). Edit: er, sorry, that must be the 12-string Ric I'm thinking of (a 360/12, I think).
Chase wrote: Yep, it's an SG Junior, the single bridge pickup is a P-90 - the same pickup used on the ES-330 that's his main guitar these days, at least according to Guitar Player:
Not sure when he switched from the 335 to the 330, but judging from pictures it was sometime between 93 and 98.
He's also been seen with a Ric 330 live (somewhat similar but not the same as the Gibson). Edit: er, sorry, that must be the 12-string Ric I'm thinking of (a 360/12, I think).
I believe this is the answer about when Bernard switched to a 330: Johnny Marr's Gibson 330.
It seems Marr and Bernard each bought 330s at the time of Twisted Tenderness.
Also fascinating is this post: Fender Telecaster from Round & round TOTP performance.
