Here To Stay Live — Forum Archive

5 Mar 2008, 17:49

I was listening to the full version of Here To Stay in my car today...

I cannot help but wonder..

Here to Stay is, in my opinion, one of New Order's best songs. Its an fantastic dance track, has a beautiful synth melody, lots of cool electronics, tasteful guitar from Barney and a pretty lead bass line from Hooky, great vocals from Barney and lyrics that sort of make sense.

Its a great song with a lot of energy, and it seems to be pretty popular with New Order fans. I remember hearing it played in clubs when 24HPP came out.

So how come New Order never played this awesome song live?

Also....when exactly was this song recorded? During the Get ready sessions? Or After? Did Gillian play on it?

5 Mar 2008, 18:01

As far as I know, it was recorded in the initial stages of the Get Ready sessions, but if anyone knows different, please correct me. I'm pretty sure Gillian had something to do with it.

At the time, it was a grossly underrated NO tune and was glossed over by just about everybody. I thought it was a fitting 'statement' from New Order at the time after the relative silence since Republic.

I agree - it's a great track :beer:

5 Mar 2008, 18:05

I agree! The lyrics seem to reflect a new found comfort with the past (I think the "blue eyed boy" is either Ian or young Bernard himself) as well as coming to terms with age.

It really is an awesome song....very energetic and uplifting. I almost wish they had held it back for WFTSC....it would have been an amazing first single!

6 Mar 2008, 02:36

They did it "live" on Top Of The Pops when the single originally came out but that was really just miming to a backing track. I remember taping it at the time and witnessing Barney's usual dad dancing with the obligatory cringe.

Other than that, the song was recorded for Get Ready but the band felt it didn't really fit in with the overall sound of that record (I.e. Rawk) and so kept it back. 24HPP was looming on the horizon by that time so they finished mixing it - some might say overmixing - and gave it to the soundtrack. A premix version from the Get Ready sessions exists on some early promo CDrs and is about 6 minutes long.

It's a decent song but doesn't set my world on fire as much as some. I've noticed the yanks on here seem to gush about it far more than the brits for some reason. While I like my fair share of electronic music I'd rather listen to Crystal or even Sabotage over HTS most of the time.

For a collaboration between such 'massive' legends of the dance music world it fell a little flat for me personally but these types of singles often do. I still give the Felix Da Housecat Glitz Mix and Extended Instrumental a spin sometimes though, both decent efforts.

6 Mar 2008, 04:34

I remember quite a while ago, there was footage of New Order performing Here to Stay on TOTP (mimed, though) uploaded on YouTube, although it's now gone.

:read:

6 Mar 2008, 09:47

One of my favourite songs of recent years...

:smoking:

6 Mar 2008, 09:49

Nick King wrote: One of my favourite songs of recent years...

Shame they didn't stick by the title tho :wink:

6 Mar 2008, 09:52

Ally wrote:

Nick King wrote: One of my favourite songs of recent years...

Shame they didn't stick by the title tho

True, it should have been renamed: "Here To Stay Until We Get Into An Argument And Then We'll Go" :lol:

:smoking:

6 Mar 2008, 10:28

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Here to Stay is, in my opinion, one of New Order's best songs. Its an fantastic dance track,

You're American , obviously :rolleyes:

Ally wrote: I still give the Felix Da Housecat Glitz Mix and Extended Instrumental a spin sometimes though, both decent efforts.

Those mixes are much better , aye :nod:

6 Mar 2008, 11:34

I have to agree, it is one of my faves, on a previous post that had the question which one song would you play to someone who has never heard new order to sum them up (or something like that) I suggested HTS, as you said, it has all the electronics, the guitar the bass good vocal melody, everything.

I think it would be interesting to know which parts chemical brothers did, or did they just produce it, i think all parts could easily have been new order, so it's hard to see what their input was.

It's up there with true faith, regret, crystal and temptation

6 Mar 2008, 11:46

a great RECORD AND WISH i was back there again when it was released.A good year for the ROCKET!

6 Mar 2008, 17:58

johnny wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Here to Stay is, in my opinion, one of New Order's best songs. Its an fantastic dance track,

You're American , obviously

Guilty as charged. I suppose that Americans appreciate the dance side of New Order more then the Brits?

I think Republic is a very good, if flawed (production wise) album. Much better than the "rawk" of Get Ready....though Crystal is one of the best NO songs ever.

My top 4 fave NO albums are

Technique
Waiting for the Siren's Call
Low-Life
Republic

And I am American. So there you have it.

6 Mar 2008, 20:55

it isn't cool to be an american.

NOOL teaches me that every day.

the anglo folk are SO much cooler than us.

hipper too.

all us americans wish we were as amazing as you royal folk!

i have even heard that the brits are both ironic AND sarcastic. like the velvet underground.

that is so cool.

wow.

7 Mar 2008, 00:23

:abovelol:

7 Mar 2008, 00:53

Tarbox23 wrote: it isn't cool to be an american.

NOOL teaches me that every day.

the anglo folk are SO much cooler than us.

hipper too.

all us americans wish we were as amazing as you royal folk!

i have even heard that the brits are both ironic AND sarcastic. like the velvet underground.

that is so cool.

wow.

Ask the LCDs all about North American scum.

:\pimp3:

7 Mar 2008, 00:55

HTS was a reasonable NO outing but the Chemicals got the far better collaboration with Out of Control. Absolute stormer.

:\pimp3:

7 Mar 2008, 01:41

Zachery Starkey wrote: Guilty as charged. I suppose that Americans appreciate the dance side of New Order more then the Brits?

Nah, I think it's the fact that Ally prefers guitar music! :lol:

:smoking:

7 Mar 2008, 01:57

They rehearsed it for the 02 gigs but decided against playing it, for some reason.

7 Mar 2008, 02:02

My American work colleague has just brought in two huge trays of Krispy Kreme doughnuts for the team this morning. I never knew you could have so many choices of doughnut.

Americans are good for some things!

I'm gonna sit with my feet up on my desk all morning sipping cawfee and pretending I'm an NYDP Cop. Code four, good buddy.

7 Mar 2008, 02:06

El Jarvo wrote: My American work colleague has just brought in two huge trays of Krispy Kreme doughnuts for the team this morning. I never knew you could have so many choices of doughnut.

Americans are good for some things!

I'm gonna sit with my feet up on my desk all morning sipping cawfee and pretending I'm an NYDP Cop. Code four, good buddy.

Oooh, doughnuts - that's made me hungry... Might wander down to the local bakers and grab some!

:smoking:

7 Mar 2008, 02:16

Nick King wrote: Nah, I think it's the fact that Ally prefers guitar music!

Nar! Couldn't be further from the truth most of the time...

Just don't think HTS is all "that" or a patch on Out Of Control as Depthy pointed out :nod:

The HTS mixes are good as I said - far more interesting that the original

7 Mar 2008, 02:17

Nick King wrote: Oooh, doughnuts - that's made me hungry... Might wander down to the local bakers and grab some!

Work with an American instead, that's all they eat! :eek3:

Thank god for all the Turkish lads in my office though - a decent lamb shawarma beats a doughnut any day!

(Not that you'd know that, Nickos!)

7 Mar 2008, 02:22

Ally wrote: Just don't think HTS is all "that" or a patch on Out Of Control as Depthy pointed out

"Out of Control" absolutely pisses over "Here To Stay" from a great height. There's even that bit around the 4m45sec mark where the Chems try to out-Hooky the real Hooky with a bit of melodic bass ... funnily enough, at the exact same point the real Hooky always fades that track out when he plays it in his DJ set! :nod: :lol:

Now, can we get back to talking about food?!

7 Mar 2008, 03:40

As decent a tune as it is,I honestly expected more from a coming together of N.O. & The Chems'.It's just a bit lightweight for me :shrug:

7 Mar 2008, 04:12

Tim wrote: They rehearsed it for the 02 gigs but decided against playing it, for some reason.

Thats not a word you see much on a New Order website. REHEARSED

7 Mar 2008, 10:24

Tarbox23 wrote: it isn't cool to be an american.

NOOL teaches me that every day.

the anglo folk are SO much cooler than us.

hipper too.

all us americans wish we were as amazing as you royal folk!

i have even heard that the brits are both ironic AND sarcastic. like the velvet underground.

that is so cool.

wow.

That's why Quebec is cool, we have the best of both worlds :evil4:

Or the worst... you decide ;)

7 Mar 2008, 11:42

According to the 24 Hour Party People end credits, it´s written by Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert.

7 Mar 2008, 13:19

Tarbox23 wrote: it isn't cool to be an american.

NOOL teaches me that every day.

the anglo folk are SO much cooler than us.

hipper too.

all us americans wish we were as amazing as you royal folk!

i have even heard that the brits are both ironic AND sarcastic. like the velvet underground.

that is so cool.

wow.

i do believe this is an attempt at irony and sarcasm, keep it up fellow, one day you'll get the hang of it.

7 Mar 2008, 18:27

I'm not American (not that it f**king matters anyway) and I think that Here to Stay is one of the best songs New Order have recorded in years. I also massively favour their dance material (other than the earlier Movement days) and will argue that Republic is one of their finer albums.

7 Mar 2008, 18:59

my tuppeneth

It's a lovely song, really nice.

but has no impact in new orders development or style.

Maybe its ironic or iconic (god thats cheesey), for Americans.

The Yanks will cheer cheese on tits.

Actually, so will I

GO USA!!!

7 Mar 2008, 19:14

Tim wrote: They rehearsed it for the 02 gigs but decided against playing it, for some reason.

Interesting! How did you find out that they rehearsed it?

Wonder where it would have been put in the set list...

9 Mar 2008, 03:32

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Tim wrote: They rehearsed it for the 02 gigs but decided against playing it, for some reason.

Interesting! How did you find out that they rehearsed it?

Wonder where it would have been put in the set list...

They said so, backstage at Paris!

9 Mar 2008, 04:55

El Jarvo wrote: I'm gonna sit with my feet up on my desk all morning sipping cawfee and pretending I'm an NYDP Cop. Code four, good buddy.

Just so's you know, Al, "good buddy" has become trucker slang for "looking for gay sex". ;)

9 Mar 2008, 12:15

I think this song was written at the same period of Brutal. I could be perfectly wrong but who knows? :shrug:

9 Mar 2008, 12:46

Always thought it sounds like a Chems B side, the sort of thing they had discarded. Always thought the the guitars sit awkwardly ove the top of it. The only decent thing is Barneys vocal in place.

Was going to say its NO's weakest single since SoTN, but then out popped Jetstream. :rolleyes:

11 Mar 2008, 08:02

Always did rate this single. Came out at just the right time, when I was getting into JD/NO and thought it sounded great. Played it to death that summer.

Video was a bit poncy, though. :shrug:

11 Mar 2008, 11:45

It's SHIT! :banghead:

God it's great being English :shades: :evil4: