The Perfect Kiss: Live Video Shoot Version
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RandLor wrote: Cool. Find any other rarities?
i bet she found the 17-min. version of elegia too.
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I found it in my Retro box set...
Well, there are some of us who don't have Retro. 
The Retro bonus CD version of TPK is not the original video version... At least that's what I've read here: http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/ Go to "albuns" > "retro"...down of the page:
Q: What version of Confusion is on the Pop CD?A: The Rough Mix.Q: Is the Perfect Kiss version on RETRO5 the same as in the video?A: No.
I have the mp3 of video version but it was ripped from the dvd video.
It's probably one of many takes done that day. A really badly edited version of the video live take was also on a US promo 12".
johnny james wrote: A really badly edited version of the video live take was also on a US promo 12".
Yup, and later digitally on the New Order iTunes Remixes album (can't remember the name right now, but it's the only "exclusive" track on it)...
Nick King wrote:
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I found it in my Retro box set...
It's not on Retro! :p
Erm, so that fifth disc isn't new order?
I'll be fucked in the ear...
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I found it in my Retro box set...
It's not on Retro! :p
Erm, so that fifth disc isn't new order?
I'll be fucked in the ear...
Generally, in my retro shopping experience that 5th disc is as rare as a woman willing to be with me. And let me tell you, thats not happened for years. In all seriousness though, I do believe some version of the live take was thrown on another cd...name escapes me as of now though.
I can see I'm gonna have to keep this simple.........
The TPK video is not shot live. It's a montage of SEVERAL live takes, with the audio from one (the best?) cleaned up and dubbed on with the aid of timecode[1]. The version that appears in the video is likely to have been remixed (that's as in "mixed again in a proper studio control room at the engineer/producer's leisure", rather than as in "take 0.2 seconds of a snare from the oringal, loop it, and then make a totally different track with it", as the word seems to mean these days).
The version apearing on Retro, is simply one of the (many) other takes, in it's raw condition.
[1] Either EBU (European Broadasters Union) or SMPTE (Society of motion picture and television engineers......US). As the sequencers used to play TPK use MTC (MIDI Time Code), it's a simple matter to translate that into whichever video timecode they decided to use, ensuring that the every shot taken at, say 00hrs,2min,32secs,6frames, will always line up with the audio being played at that exact moment. The most likely way they would have done this, would be to have "striped" SMPTE (EBU is rare in music work) onto track 24 of their recorder (use the edge track as they often have slightly poorer definition, might as well give it a use), then feed that to the cameras raw, and to the sequencer via a MTC convertor, thus each time the tape is rewound, the sequencer will start on the same frame number. The cameras will also have the timecode recorded to a subtrack. Then it's a piece of piss to cut a video together.....oh barney makes a face at 00:03:21:02....SO let's see what the other cameras were shooting at that precise second (well frame).
Doctor? wrote: I can see I'm gonna have to keep this simple.........
The TPK video is not shot live. It's a montage of SEVERAL live takes, with the audio from one (the best?) cleaned up and dubbed on with the aid of timecode[1]. The version that appears in the video is likely to have been remixed (that's as in "mixed again in a proper studio control room at the engineer/producer's leisure", rather than as in "take 0.2 seconds of a snare from the oringal, loop it, and then make a totally different track with it", as the word seems to mean these days).
The version apearing on Retro, is simply one of the (many) other takes, in it's raw condition.
[1] Either EBU (European Broadasters Union) or SMPTE (Society of motion picture and television engineers......US). As the sequencers used to play TPK use MTC (MIDI Time Code), it's a simple matter to translate that into whichever video timecode they decided to use, ensuring that the every shot taken at, say 00hrs,2min,32secs,6frames, will always line up with the audio being played at that exact moment. The most likely way they would have done this, would be to have "striped" SMPTE (EBU is rare in music work) onto track 24 of their recorder (use the edge track as they often have slightly poorer definition, might as well give it a use), then feed that to the cameras raw, and to the sequencer via a MTC convertor, thus each time the tape is rewound, the sequencer will start on the same frame number. The cameras will also have the timecode recorded to a subtrack. Then it's a piece of piss to cut a video together.....oh barney makes a face at 00:03:21:02....SO let's see what the other cameras were shooting at that precise second (well frame).
Cheers DR-that is so much MORE easy to understand NOW!
