why didnt NO do this?

http://www.depeche-mode.com/home/2008/08/01/depeche-mode-cut-ties-with-warner/

Well, quite frankly they broke up didn't they?

J

yes, but I meant as in the present tense.

It kind of depends what deal and for how long they have, they can't just leave. No doubt DM were at the end of their deal and didn't re-sign.

Course they could. Hooky running around with SLAVE written on his cheek, Barney change his name to a symbol.

Piece of cake

yeah, but did you notice all those groups have HUGE followings, and a large fanbase, and still command large ticket prices when they tour?

new order had none of that..

later -1

-1 wrote: yeah, but did you notice all those groups have HUGE followings, and a large fanbase, and still command large ticket prices when they tour?

new order had none of that..

later -1

New Order actually still have a pretty large fan base, especially with college kids in the US. If they played a 4,000-6,000 seat venue in Cleveland or Columbus, I garrauntee you it would sell out.

New Order cannot fill arena's the way Depeche Mode still can.....but they have a large enough fan base in the US that they could easily do a 10 date US tour of Major US cities, playing halls that seated 4,000-5,000 people, and make a killing, especially with JD being popular and with so so many current indie bands ripping New Order off.

Its just that.....the band didn't do it.

When New Order did 4 dates in the US in 2005 (Oakland CA, Coachella, Chicago, and NYC) it was a big deal. The NYC show sold out in one day, the Chicago show was packed to the roof (I was there) and everyone in Columbus and Cleveland was talking about the fact that New Order was playing in the US again.

There is a big fan base...New Order are just lazy about promotion and didnt capitalise on it.

That, and Warners really did drop the ball with WFTSC.....the album got good reviews in all of the major American music magazines, the singles were played in clubs, and at least here in Columbus, the local alternative station played the hell out of Krafty.

Same thing in 2001. I heard Crystal played in lots of clubs, and especially at indie dance nights. I was a freshmen in college then, and all of the indie kids at school were going mad for New Order and Crystal.

However, Warners underpromoted both albums....

And New Order didn't really help by refusiing to do a headlining tour of major US cities in 2001 and 2005.

If they had simply done some more dates here, things might be a bit different.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

New Order are just lazy about promotion

That, my friend, pretty much summarizes 27 years of New Order...

Quite right.

Brilliant musicians but lazy bastards lacking commercial nounce.

i don't want to get philosophical (but i will anyways)....

why do any of us care anymore what 'new order' wants to do?

if they get promoted or not? if they tour, put out albums, etc?

1. as a fan, yeah, new material is always interesting (not necessarily good)

for me, after 'low-life', everything has been a huge downhill slide..

2. seeing them live is fun, but as they age, sometimes its not so fun...

besides, gillian is long gone...(sob)...

haven't they proven their point?

haven't they accomplished a lot more than any band will ever do in their lifetime?

isn't their legacy enough for people?

i remember when they 'split-up' after 'substance', and people were doom saying, and complaining and griping like they are now...

guess what, the new order boards didn't go away.. the mailing lists still went on, people still talked about them..

heck we're still talking about them now, with the same situation...

there is a natural life cycle for a band

start-> sometimes fame and fortune -> long career -> peak of career -> gradual decline -> split-up -> end (or repeat parts as needed).

maybe its for the best, that new order bows out now, instead of wondering what might have been..

yeah, u2, depeche mode, the cure, echo and the bunnymen are still going strong (and stronger in some cases)..... good for them, and good for their fans.... maybe those bands feel like they still have something to say..

maybe 'new order' as a group doesn't....we have to accept that..

i'm sure that if they still like making music, and they have shown, there are still many other projects left for new order members to participate in..

RIP : new order - (born)1981-(died)2008

later -1

If you think about demographics, New Order's fan base (college-age, the middle-class and middle-aged and ttech-savvy) are not really the type to go and buy cd's - they'll just steal it off the Internet like cheap bastards. The ones who actually buy the cds are the hardcore fanbase who believe in the quaint notion (these days) that an artist deserves to get paid for their work. A radical concept, I know.

The demographics that buy cds are poor, not tech-savvy, or else so young they dont have access to a downloading computer.

I think promotion has less correlation with album sales these days.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

-1 wrote: yeah, but did you notice all those groups have HUGE followings, and a large fanbase, and still command large ticket prices when they tour?

new order had none of that..

later -1

New Order actually still have a pretty large fan base, especially with college kids in the US. If they played a 4,000-6,000 seat venue in Cleveland or Columbus, I garrauntee you it would sell out.

New Order cannot fill arena's the way Depeche Mode still can.....but they have a large enough fan base in the US that they could easily do a 10 date US tour of Major US cities, playing halls that seated 4,000-5,000 people, and make a killing, especially with JD being popular and with so so many current indie bands ripping New Order off.

Its just that.....the band didn't do it.

When New Order did 4 dates in the US in 2005 (Oakland CA, Coachella, Chicago, and NYC) it was a big deal. The NYC show sold out in one day, the Chicago show was packed to the roof (I was there) and everyone in Columbus and Cleveland was talking about the fact that New Order was playing in the US again.

There is a big fan base...New Order are just lazy about promotion and didnt capitalise on it.

That, and Warners really did drop the ball with WFTSC.....the album got good reviews in all of the major American music magazines, the singles were played in clubs, and at least here in Columbus, the local alternative station played the hell out of Krafty.

Same thing in 2001. I heard Crystal played in lots of clubs, and especially at indie dance nights. I was a freshmen in college then, and all of the indie kids at school were going mad for New Order and Crystal.

However, Warners underpromoted both albums....

And New Order didn't really help by refusiing to do a headlining tour of major US cities in 2001 and 2005.

If they had simply done some more dates here, things might be a bit different.

yup you are right the new york show sold out within a couple of hours and if they added another show it would have sold also, and when WFTSC came out in NYC at virgin megastore it was number 1 seller for that week, and it got great reviews form press, rolling stone magazine gave it 4 stars and other magazines gave it good reviews,when I was shopping at old Navy, Gap and Express clothing stores I heard so many songs from the WFTSC album. If they promoted the album more they would have done better, but the sad part is that they hate doing all of these things, still new order rocks and they are great. can't wait for the leftovers to comeout and I bet you that will get good reviews and sell well also.