Strange facts (and not so facts) about New Order

I came up with a list of eccentricities about the band that separates them from the other "indie" bands of the time, and just some things about the band which I found interesting.....

-New Order obviously has a huge gay following, yet unlike fellow 80s alternative bands like Depeche Mode, Husker Du, REM, The Smiths (Morrissey is probably gay), and The Dead Milkmen, all of the members of New Order are heterosexual, for all we know.....

-New Order went on to commercial success which surpassed Joy Division ten fold, yet these days it seems like all the hipsters, critics, and depressed goth kids care about is Joy Division....a band that put out 2 studio albums to New Order's 8.

-New Order is known primarily as a synth-electronic driven band, but when they were still Joy Division and the record company added synthesizers to their first album, the band threw a complete shit fit! 5 Years later we get The Perfect Kiss!

-Did New Order ever work with a Producer???????? I know Hannett did Movement and Stephen "What's a bass" Hague did Republic, but other than that, didn't the band self produce all their other records, including most of their singles? If so, I wonder who had the biggest role in the production process......I'm sure Mr. Sumner.

-New Order will never be able to escape Joy Division's ghost. No matter how successful they were, as someone posted here earlier they do not have a large devoted following like Depeche Mode (just look at the sales of the last album), and it's unfortunate because New Order pioneered "ALTERNATIVE DANCE"- What band was mixing disco grooves with indie post punk sensibility besides NO in 1982?, yet New Order will never reach the status of JD...After all, there's no Peter Hook biopic made, is there?

For a band that has been so groundbreaking, commercially successful, and innovative, it is really a shame to realize that their legacy will never be as great as their previous incarnation, although i'd take a New Order album over a Joy Division record any day of the week. Ian's story touched people so much that in retrospect, it still overshadows everything this amazing group acheived on its own.....sad really.

J

Hmmm.. much of the above is a load of old tosh. Natch.

Word to yer mother.

yo. All the mamas in the house say 'mofo'.

Who the hell are the Dead Milkmen?

And I was hoping it would be full of strange facts such as:

'Stephen Morris got expelled from school for 'over-indulging' in cough mixture'.

This is a total failure. -***** post.

NO BUYS

No Holiday wrote:

-New Order will never be able to escape Joy Division's ghost

But if it wasn't for Joy Division you would not have New Order!

You have to remember Joy Division only lasted 3 years and in that time recorded 2 perfect albums and 3 perfect singles.

It is scary to think how good Joy Division could have been, considering Ian Curtis was only 23 when he died.

And finally - who are the dead milkmen????

Actually Liam YOU are a total fucking failure.....

But thanks for your useless post anyway

The Dead Milkmen were a satirical punk band from Philadelphia, PA that were around from approx 1983 to 1995. I don't know how well they are known across the world, they're not even terribly well known in the US, but are punk rock icons and helped shape the style of silly 90s alternative bands. I suggest picking up the albums "Bucky Fellini" and "Beezebubba" if you get the chance. Great stuff

J

Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

harsh but fair.

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following, yet unlike fellow 80s alternative bands like Depeche Mode, Husker Du, REM, The Smiths (Morrissey is probably gay), and The Dead Milkmen, all of the members of New Order are heterosexual, for all we know.....

As far as I know, none of the members of Depeche Mode are gay either, or so they say.

-New Order went on to commercial success which surpassed Joy Division ten fold, yet these days it seems like all the hipsters, critics, and depressed goth kids care about is Joy Division....a band that put out 2 studio albums to New Order's 8.

People look down on synthesizers nowadays.

-New Order is known primarily as a synth-electronic driven band, but when they were still Joy Division and the record company added synthesizers to their first album, the band threw a complete shit fit! 5 Years later we get The Perfect Kiss!

People learn and change.

-Did New Order ever work with a Producer???????? I know Hannett did Movement and Stephen "What's a bass" Hague did Republic, but other than that, didn't the band self produce all their other records, including most of their singles? If so, I wonder who had the biggest role in the production process......I'm sure Mr. Sumner.

I think they have. Isn't Stephen Hague a producer? The band also worked with other producers on their last album if I'm not mistaken. One's thing for sure, except for True Faith and Regret, the songs they produced themselves were much better than the ones they collaborated with others.

-New Order will never be able to escape Joy Division's ghost. No matter how successful they were, as someone posted here earlier they do not have a large devoted following like Depeche Mode (just look at the sales of the last album), and it's unfortunate because New Order pioneered "ALTERNATIVE DANCE"- What band was mixing disco grooves with indie post punk sensibility besides NO in 1982?, yet New Order will never reach the status of JD...After all, there's no Peter Hook biopic made, is there?

Depeche Mode have many female fans who gush over them like teeny boppers gushing over boybands. Is that what you want? I think Depeche Mode still doesn't get much respect in their country.

For a band that has been so groundbreaking, commercially successful, and innovative, it is really a shame to realize that their legacy will never be as great as their previous incarnation, although i'd take a New Order album over a Joy Division record any day of the week. Ian's story touched people so much that in retrospect, it still overshadows everything this amazing group acheived on its own.....sad really.

Well at least they get royalties either way so I think they're fine with it.

No Holiday wrote: -Did New Order ever work with a Producer???????? I know Hannett did Movement and Stephen "What's a bass" Hague did Republic, but other than that, didn't the band self produce all their other records, including most of their singles? If so, I wonder who had the biggest role in the production process......I'm sure Mr. Sumner.

Arthur Baker Steve Osbourne John Robie Stephen Street John Leckie Stewart Price The Chemical Brothers

and legend has it, very nearly Brian Eno (for Technique)

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

Hehehe.....and I remind YOU of a teenager.....You sound like a phony suburban kid trying to climb the social ladder in the freshman year of high school...calling me a geek! hahaha. Again, let me ask you a question in a previous post that you have yet to answer.....what talents do you have???? What use do you have being on this planet? I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

Sad the breetash don't know the Dead Milkmen...

(unfortunatly no official video for this song)

Thank you for posting!

J

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Dat song teh sux compared to:

Beach Party Vietnam Takin Retards To the Zoo The Thing That Only Eats Hippies Punk Rock Girl

fuck, I didn't realize I remembered all that Dead Milkmen crap!

yer probably right that the DMM are crap, if i listen to it with an unbiased ear, by today's standards, it just doesn't sound like it did in the 80s... but guess I have too much nostalgia to write it off as such... love my DMM

No Holiday wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

Ooh, that biting American wit...

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

I can see that educating the nations youth is gonna be right up your street.

Surely a contender for Worst Thread Ever???

truth

No Holiday wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

Hehehe.....and I remind YOU of a teenager.....You sound like a phony suburban kid trying to climb the social ladder in the freshman year of high school...calling me a geek! hahaha. Again, let me ask you a question in a previous post that you have yet to answer.....what talents do you have???? What use do you have being on this planet? I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

(in an ironic way obviously).

As for my talents, well, I do have to say this, If you think that you've got some kind of rapping talent, then i daresay i have as well!

As for the bull and the parasites, a number of points:

1- What makes you so sure? 2- What makes you think i'm actually going to ever get into a situation where a bull will kill me? 3- And considering its well known that I want to be cremated, in what way are parasites going to eat my body? The chances are that if i did get killed by a bull, my dead corpse would be taken away by the authorities to determine a precise cause of death, then i'd be prepared for a flight back to England, handed over to the local funeral director and have my body prepared for cremation. 4- I'd be DEAD. In what way am I supposed to care even if my body is ate by parasites.

So yet again NO BUYS

Gazman wrote:

Got any Popcorn left Gaz? Mines empty already & they're only getting started!

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Got any Popcorn left Gaz? Mines empty already & they're only getting started!

Loads Con,loads

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following

I've got loads of gay friends and none of them are interested in New Order.

...and that's after years of ramming it down their throats.

This is the best posting for ages. Well Done No Hol. You certainly did yure homework on this one, its awesome. Can I look forward to a Strange Facts Vol 2? I do hope so.

Facsimile wrote:

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following

I've got loads of gay friends and none of them are interested in New Order.

...and that's after years of ramming it down their throats.

Is that a "fact" or a "not so fact"??

And are "not so facts" like "Just So Stories", but not so???

The REAL Strange Facts about New Order:

1. Steve not only owns a tank, but a contingent of Soviet-era medium range ICBMs (purchased w/ money from London buyout in '93). He is currently in a "Cold War" type stand-off with Macclesfield.

2. The rumor of Hooky's Vault are true. But that punk bastard Indiana Jones and Nic Cage from "National Treasure" raided it. The contents are in an unmarked wooden crate somewhere in D.C. where top men are examining it.

3. Barney once concocted a drink called "Armaggedon". One glass and he recorded vocals for Brotherhood, stole and destroyed a London taxi and engaged in a five hour long phone conversation with Michael Jackson...without him even remembering it afterwards!

4. Gillian...curses like a sailor, spits like one too! Just follow her after a gig where the synth/sequencer fuck up!

5. Tony Wilson, among other things, was not in fact a cunt. He did however have a brilliant soprano singing voice and many times put on dressing room exhibitions where an enthralled and intoxicated Barney cried and hugged him afterwards for a stiring rendition of Bette Midler's "The Wind Beneath My Wings" with an extended aria.

6. Rob did it all for the nookie.

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

Hehehe.....and I remind YOU of a teenager.....You sound like a phony suburban kid trying to climb the social ladder in the freshman year of high school...calling me a geek! hahaha. Again, let me ask you a question in a previous post that you have yet to answer.....what talents do you have???? What use do you have being on this planet? I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

(in an ironic way obviously).

As for my talents, well, I do have to say this, If you think that you've got some kind of rapping talent, then i daresay i have as well!

As for the bull and the parasites, a number of points:

1- What makes you so sure? 2- What makes you think i'm actually going to ever get into a situation where a bull will kill me? 3- And considering its well known that I want to be cremated, in what way are parasites going to eat my body? The chances are that if i did get killed by a bull, my dead corpse would be taken away by the authorities to determine a precise cause of death, then i'd be prepared for a flight back to England, handed over to the local funeral director and have my body prepared for cremation. 4- I'd be DEAD. In what way am I supposed to care even if my body is ate by parasites.

So yet again NO BUYS

Liam why the fuck would I know that you want to be cremated? Why do you think i'm the least bit interested in anything about you? You are just some antagonizing bum on the message boards with no talent or life who has a reputation for being someone that nobody really takes too seriously. As far as what you do with Bulls, I actually retract my last statement. You would never go fight a bull. You're too much of a pussy. You'd rather just kidnap a bull and make him ram one of his horns up your asshole all night while you're on NOOL making childish posts....

I can see it now as you're bending over for the Bull-

"(Moaning) BUYS! YES BUYS! OOOOH GOD DON'T STOP! BUYS!"

what a fucking joke- this guy

J

I take it back. This is the GREATEST THREAD IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

Gazman wrote:

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Got any Popcorn left Gaz? Mines empty already & they're only getting started!

Loads Con,loads

I think I need some popcorn too - this is entertaining! :p

1. Steve not only owns a tank,

i've flinged shit at that tank, not my shit, sheep and cow shit.

didn't get his house thou

No Holiday wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

Hehehe.....and I remind YOU of a teenager.....You sound like a phony suburban kid trying to climb the social ladder in the freshman year of high school...calling me a geek! hahaha. Again, let me ask you a question in a previous post that you have yet to answer.....what talents do you have???? What use do you have being on this planet? I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

Holiday, if the opening post of this thread doesn't prove you're a prize fuckwit, then this quote most certainly does.

Do us all a favour and piss off.

No Holiday wrote:

-New Order obviously has a huge gay following, yet unlike fellow -

J

Reported to mods, defamation of typical fans character.

Now I realise why the record shop manager gave me a wink and a smile after handing over 3 quid for the Thieves' 12 incher.

Uncle Liam wrote: This is a total failure. -***** post.

NO BUYS

Reported to mods - censorship as above not allowed

Know Byes

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Surely a contender for Worst Thread Ever???

Reported, Pot Kettle....

No Holiday wrote:

You'd rather just kidnap a bull and make him ram one of his horns up your asshole all night while you're on NOOL making childish posts....

I can see it now as you're bending over for the Bull-

"(Moaning) BUYS! YES BUYS! OOOOH GOD DON'T STOP! BUYS!"

Now i have to admit, that's got me pissing meself here

Mods, ban them all!

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (oh, shit)(Matthew 13:49-50).

No Holiday wrote: child porn site

I know Liam can be an obnoxious bastard sometimes, but you crossed the line there. I don't usually comment these kind of childish posts, but that was very silly of you, to say the least.

I've totally changed my mind on no hols, he's very entertaining in a sick kind of watching someone drowning kind of way, show we throw him a float or pelt him with bricks? this is great fun.

just when I thought he'd come to his senses and started a sensible, though covered many times before, thread i.e would NO have gone britpop... he goes and totally redeems himself with this shite.

where's my bricks?

LeggyD wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Your music is crap, no one likes you, everyone thinks your a geek, your posts are ridiculous and remind of a spotty teenager trying SO hard to get laid, but you do acheive one thing that no else does. You unite the board. But only in sheer fucking hatred and pity at you.

Hehehe.....and I remind YOU of a teenager.....You sound like a phony suburban kid trying to climb the social ladder in the freshman year of high school...calling me a geek! hahaha. Again, let me ask you a question in a previous post that you have yet to answer.....what talents do you have???? What use do you have being on this planet? I don't know if you're from Barcelona or some shit but soon enough you'll be attacked by bulls and your flesh will be eaten by parasites (and litricites). But anyways Liam, I won't take up any more of your time I know you're dying to change the web browser tab over to the child porn site you are simultaneously on.....so i'll let you get back to that!

J

Holiday, if the opening post of this thread doesn't prove you're a prize fuckwit, then this quote most certainly does.

Do us all a favour and piss off.

Im with Dave on this one,

and afore ye piss off NH,a public apology to Liam wouldnt go a miss.

Bang out of order

No Holiday wrote: Liam why the fuck would I know that you want to be cremated? Why do you think i'm the least bit interested in anything about you? You are just some antagonizing bum on the message boards with no talent or life who has a reputation for being someone that nobody really takes too seriously. As far as what you do with Bulls, I actually retract my last statement. You would never go fight a bull. You're too much of a pussy. You'd rather just kidnap a bull and make him ram one of his horns up your asshole all night while you're on NOOL making childish posts....

I can see it now as you're bending over for the Bull-

"(Moaning) BUYS! YES BUYS! OOOOH GOD DON'T STOP! BUYS!"

what a fucking joke- this guy

J

(again in an ironic way).

Now we all know, that your and your homeboys like to play Bukkake every Saturday night, but you're now having fantasies about me being fucked by a bulls horn? Who would ever have thought that the board would hear about such zoophilac fantasties?

Now as we've established you fucking worthless prick, I have no talents. I want to know what your talents are homeboy? Comedy certainly isnt one of them. Music definitley isnt one of them. Writing definitley isnt one of them? So whats your purpose? Coming on the board and asking stupid questions? Coming on here and trying to play the antagonist?

Now you see the thing is, you can accuse me of being a peadophile, an animal shagger etc etc. I really dont give a shit. The fact is, my reputation speaks for itself. You on the other hand, need to joint he rest of us (well, most of us) in the real world, stop pretending that your some big gangster, and admit to the rest of the world, that youre a fucking timid, worthless piece of monkey shit who gets his kicks from sitting under some 30 stone rent boy, and letting him shit all over you.

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote: Liam why the fuck would I know that you want to be cremated? Why do you think i'm the least bit interested in anything about you? You are just some antagonizing bum on the message boards with no talent or life who has a reputation for being someone that nobody really takes too seriously. As far as what you do with Bulls, I actually retract my last statement. You would never go fight a bull. You're too much of a pussy. You'd rather just kidnap a bull and make him ram one of his horns up your asshole all night while you're on NOOL making childish posts....

I can see it now as you're bending over for the Bull-

"(Moaning) BUYS! YES BUYS! OOOOH GOD DON'T STOP! BUYS!"

what a fucking joke- this guy

J

erm i think were diviating somewhat from the original thread. No Holiday has shown his worth again with a reviting and well thought out piece.

(again in an ironic way).

Now we all know, that your and your homeboys like to play Bukkake every Saturday night, but you're now having fantasies about me being fucked by a bulls horn? Who would ever have thought that the board would hear about such zoophilac fantasties?

Now as we've established you fucking worthless prick, I have no talents. I want to know what your talents are homeboy? Comedy certainly isnt one of them. Music definitley isnt one of them. Writing definitley isnt one of them? So whats your purpose? Coming on the board and asking stupid questions? Coming on here and trying to play the antagonist?

Now you see the thing is, you can accuse me of being a peadophile, an animal shagger etc etc. I really dont give a shit. The fact is, my reputation speaks for itself. You on the other hand, need to joint he rest of us (well, most of us) in the real world, stop pretending that your some big gangster, and admit to the rest of the world, that youre a fucking timid, worthless piece of monkey shit who gets his kicks from sitting under some 30 stone rent boy, and letting him shit all over you.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Facsimile wrote:

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following

I've got loads of gay friends and none of them are interested in New Order.

...and that's after years of ramming it down their throats.

Ramming what down their throats? Yer cock, or New Order?

No Holiday wrote: What band was mixing disco grooves with indie post punk sensibility besides NO in 1982?

Public Image Ltd. ("Death Disco") Ministry ("I Wanted to Tell Her") ESG (most of their stuff) Cabaret Voltaire ("Seconds Too Late")

public image,, death disco,, wasnt that 1979 or something ,,deffo not 82...

seen it in your eyes,

words are useless..., ,hasnt this thread improved since keegan resigned.. truth

79 order wrote: public image,, death disco,, wasnt that 1979 or something ,,deffo not 82...

seen it in your eyes,

words are useless..., ,hasnt this thread improved since keegan resigned.. truth

word

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote: Liam why the fuck would I know that you want to be cremated? Why do you think i'm the least bit interested in anything about you? You are just some antagonizing bum on the message boards with no talent or life who has a reputation for being someone that nobody really takes too seriously. As far as what you do with Bulls, I actually retract my last statement. You would never go fight a bull. You're too much of a pussy. You'd rather just kidnap a bull and make him ram one of his horns up your asshole all night while you're on NOOL making childish posts....

I can see it now as you're bending over for the Bull-

"(Moaning) BUYS! YES BUYS! OOOOH GOD DON'T STOP! BUYS!"

what a fucking joke- this guy

J

(again in an ironic way).

Now we all know, that your and your homeboys like to play Bukkake every Saturday night, but you're now having fantasies about me being fucked by a bulls horn? Who would ever have thought that the board would hear about such zoophilac fantasties?

Now as we've established you fucking worthless prick, I have no talents. I want to know what your talents are homeboy? Comedy certainly isnt one of them. Music definitley isnt one of them. Writing definitley isnt one of them? So whats your purpose? Coming on the board and asking stupid questions? Coming on here and trying to play the antagonist?

Now you see the thing is, you can accuse me of being a peadophile, an animal shagger etc etc. I really dont give a shit. The fact is, my reputation speaks for itself. You on the other hand, need to joint he rest of us (well, most of us) in the real world, stop pretending that your some big gangster, and admit to the rest of the world, that youre a fucking timid, worthless piece of monkey shit who gets his kicks from sitting under some 30 stone rent boy, and letting him shit all over you.

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

79 order wrote: public image,, death disco,, wasnt that 1979 or something ,,deffo not 82...

Yes, but I was thinking 82 or before.

GET A ROOM!

nmc wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Facsimile wrote:

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following

I've got loads of gay friends and none of them are interested in New Order.

...and that's after years of ramming it down their throats.

Ramming what down their throats? Yer cock, or New Order?

yep, that was the 'gag' jeff. well spotted.

Subtle that, Facs. Missed that one.

I'll try to keep the topic on course, and a strange fact here is that paul morley is a cunt, read internationals opening in the booklet.

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

Yes I can what you. A million times better. And the thing is this, if your "music" (and i use that term in its broadest possible context) was so great, why have no labels come begging for your signature? Where the head of EM bloody I? Wheres Richard Branson? They aint knocking on yoru door thats for fucking certain.

Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them? It might be a "damn message board exchange of words" but you obviously dont know what your words mean.

I will also say do you know how many lives are destroyed by false accusations of Peadohilia? Its enough. Look at Michael Jackson. But yet you justify it by quoting some ten a penny rapper. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes about your character.

Now taking away all the gimmicks, all the bullshit, all the jokes, all the long winded speeches, I will say this: You are the vilest, most worthless, most disgusting, most shameful, most ingorant, most pathetic, most talentless, most nausea inducing individual I have ever come across. I sincerely wish you nothing but the absolute worse for the rest of your pathetic little life.

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

Yes I can what you. A million times better. And the thing is this, if your "music" (and i use that term in its broadest possible context) was so great, why have no labels come begging for your signature? Where the head of EM bloody I? Wheres Richard Branson? They aint knocking on yoru door thats for fucking certain.

Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them? It might be a "damn message board exchange of words" but you obviously dont know what your words mean.

I will also say do you know how many lives are destroyed by false accusations of Peadohilia? Its enough. Look at Michael Jackson. But yet you justify it by quoting some ten a penny rapper. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes about your character.

Now taking away all the gimmicks, all the bullshit, all the jokes, all the long winded speeches, I will say this: You are the vilest, most worthless, most disgusting, most shameful, most ingorant, most pathetic, most talentless, most nausea inducing. I sincerely wish you nothing but the absolute worse for the rest of your pathetic little life.

Liam, for once I agree with you on some of your points, but to No Holiday, just please let the thread die, your digging yourself a rather deep hole.

This is better than Eastenders!

shug IS A cunt though...and is he is homerBOY!

I find it funny how Liam always brings up his credentials by having a few friends that frequent these boards... just because yer friends with some respectable people, doesn't make you respectable... but then again, who that frequents these boards is really that respectable?

and I'm jealous of No Hol now... the bottom most hated individual on Liam's list used to be me... now where do we stand Liam? I just can't believe it...

he loathed me for a while too...

EdelBrock wrote:

I find it funny how Liam always brings up his credentials by having a few friends that frequent these boards... just because yer friends with some respectable people, doesn't make you respectable... but then again, who that frequents these boards is really that respectable?

and I'm jealous of No Hol now... the bottom most hated individual on Liam's list used to be me... now where do we stand Liam? I just can't believe it...

It's about adapting and mellowing, which have you done. I always find it interesting how some US gentlemens opinions change after exposure to the wrath of a few mad Brits. Partly, due to a dawning realisation perhaps, that there is a whole world out there, and also cos they actually start agreeing with some of the crap we come out with.

Understanding the humour is a great first step, which Edelbrock is doing fine with. No Holiday is still in caveman territory on that front, and seeming like an incurable.

As for being respectable, Liam isn't, I deffo ain't. Can't think of anyone who is. Why would we be on this thread?

EDIT: Rocket Mick is hugely respectable. In fact, he's an icon.

Facsimile wrote:

No Holiday wrote: -New Order obviously has a huge gay following

I've got loads of gay friends and none of them are interested in New Order.

...and that's after years of ramming it down their throats.

AARGH NO! Now your just painting pictures now.Come on...play the pink melodica!

No Holiday wrote: I came up with a list of eccentricities about the band that separates them from the other "indie" bands of the time, and just some things about the band which I found interesting.....

-New Order obviously has a huge gay following, yet unlike fellow 80s alternative bands like Depeche Mode, Husker Du, REM, The Smiths (Morrissey is probably gay), and The Dead Milkmen, all of the members of New Order are heterosexual, for all we know.....

-New Order went on to commercial success which surpassed Joy Division ten fold, yet these days it seems like all the hipsters, critics, and depressed goth kids care about is Joy Division....a band that put out 2 studio albums to New Order's 8.

-New Order is known primarily as a synth-electronic driven band, but when they were still Joy Division and the record company added synthesizers to their first album, the band threw a complete shit fit! 5 Years later we get The Perfect Kiss!

-Did New Order ever work with a Producer???????? I know Hannett did Movement and Stephen "What's a bass" Hague did Republic, but other than that, didn't the band self produce all their other records, including most of their singles? If so, I wonder who had the biggest role in the production process......I'm sure Mr. Sumner.

-New Order will never be able to escape Joy Division's ghost. No matter how successful they were, as someone posted here earlier they do not have a large devoted following like Depeche Mode (just look at the sales of the last album), and it's unfortunate because New Order pioneered "ALTERNATIVE DANCE"- What band was mixing disco grooves with indie post punk sensibility besides NO in 1982?, yet New Order will never reach the status of JD...After all, there's no Peter Hook biopic made, is there?

For a band that has been so groundbreaking, commercially successful, and innovative, it is really a shame to realize that their legacy will never be as great as their previous incarnation, although i'd take a New Order album over a Joy Division record any day of the week. Ian's story touched people so much that in retrospect, it still overshadows everything this amazing group acheived on its own.....sad really.

J

Its all true if fairly common knowledge. I have yet to hear any artist use the New Order formula and develop it convincingly. Also a good deal of NO's dancier songs borrowed a lot from Euro and Italian disco. You can hear whole basslines and leads that have been lifted from the likes of Gazebo and Savage.

No Holiday wrote: Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? J

Can you do this ,and if so on any subject?

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

Yes I can what you. A million times better. And the thing is this, if your "music" (and i use that term in its broadest possible context) was so great, why have no labels come begging for your signature? Where the head of EM bloody I? Wheres Richard Branson? They aint knocking on yoru door thats for fucking certain.

Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them? It might be a "damn message board exchange of words" but you obviously dont know what your words mean.

I will also say do you know how many lives are destroyed by false accusations of Peadohilia? Its enough. Look at Michael Jackson. But yet you justify it by quoting some ten a penny rapper. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes about your character.

Now taking away all the gimmicks, all the bullshit, all the jokes, all the long winded speeches, I will say this: You are the vilest, most worthless, most disgusting, most shameful, most ingorant, most pathetic, most talentless, most nausea inducing individual I have ever come across. I sincerely wish you nothing but the absolute worse for the rest of your pathetic little life.

Havent read a number of his posts I have never really understood the contempt surrounding 'No Holiday' or indeed for the majority of the americans. They are one of a growing minority that actually wants to talk about music. How did this forum change in such a short space of time from being one of the best NO related sites on the net to becoming a soviet of boorish, beery mondeo men? The English here are the worst for this IMO.

Juno 106 ftw wrote: The English here are the worst for this IMO.

Couldnt agree more mate

Nick King wrote: This is better than Eastenders!

Stop stealing my popcorn Nick!

Juno 106 ftw wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

Yes I can what you. A million times better. And the thing is this, if your "music" (and i use that term in its broadest possible context) was so great, why have no labels come begging for your signature? Where the head of EM bloody I? Wheres Richard Branson? They aint knocking on yoru door thats for fucking certain.

Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them? It might be a "damn message board exchange of words" but you obviously dont know what your words mean.

I will also say do you know how many lives are destroyed by false accusations of Peadohilia? Its enough. Look at Michael Jackson. But yet you justify it by quoting some ten a penny rapper. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes about your character.

Now taking away all the gimmicks, all the bullshit, all the jokes, all the long winded speeches, I will say this: You are the vilest, most worthless, most disgusting, most shameful, most ingorant, most pathetic, most talentless, most nausea inducing individual I have ever come across. I sincerely wish you nothing but the absolute worse for the rest of your pathetic little life.

Havent read a number of his posts I have never really understood the contempt surrounding 'No Holiday' or indeed for the majority of the americans. They are one of a growing minority that actually wants to talk about music. How did this forum change in such a short space of time from being one of the best NO related sites on the net to becoming a soviet of boorish, beery mondeo men? The English here are the worst for this IMO.

Good points. As I pointed out earlier, this post was meant to be about New Order.....That's all I wanted to talk about. Them and what stood them apart and what stood in their way of iconic status (Joy Division). If some guy from Spain comes on and makes a post which is not only irrelevant, but meant to put me down, I will give him what he deserves. And for the record I don't give a fuck about whose kids you were around or who you are friends with. And I love how you and some other people are making a big deal about me joking around with you that you have child porn open on another site....Your reactions are almost as if Liam really is a pedophile and i'm being prejudiced against his lifestyle in some way! And you have the gall to talk about the damage of pedophile accusation.......did I strike a nerve with you??? Are you really a pedophile? Because if you weren't you should not be so clearly bothered by my joke. Just like you say i'm a talentless rapper...I don't pay that no mind because I know it's not true. I know it's just you trying to be the cunt you are, and i dismiss it as that and brush it off.

And even though you wish me a horrible life or whatever, I wish you the best Liam. You can only hope that dis likable people who get off on little boys can eventually get their act together and live a productive life in society. So let's just be friends, ok?

BIIIIAAAAATTTTCCCCHHHHHHH!

J

If some guy from Spain comes on and makes a post which is not only irrelevant, but meant to put me down J

What I want to know is why Liam doesn't support his local team Real Madrid instead of being a glory hunter and supporting Stockport County!

Dead Milkmen were gay? I never noticed, or cared really. Was that the gist of the original post?

New Order has a huge gay following in the USA? I bet if you went to the average "mainstream gay" guy they would barely even know who New Order was. I remember years ago, New Order was thought of as sort of like a less cool imitation of Depeche Mode among the shallow facade group. Of course people who have more than an average mainstream interest in music, or a DJ's interest, whether straight or gay, would be more likely to know who New Order is.

El Jarvo wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them?

Whatchootalkinabout Liam?

Who the fcuk here has got kids, that we know (or that we know about?)?!

That Ally's a bit young-looking, mind.

But we've all met SHUG!

Gazman wrote:

Nick King wrote: This is better than Eastenders!

Stop stealing my popcorn Nick!

I keep needing more - this is entertaining stuff and I can see it going on for a while!

By the time I get back from holiday, I want this to be 15 pages long so that I can have something to read when I get back!

In context with the original topic, here are some strange facts about New Order:

1. Gillian's middle name is Bwoing

2. Hooky learned to play bass after failing to master the Theremin (it later transpired he hadn't plugged it in)

3. Barney invented the shirtless sleeve

4. 'True Faith' sounds exactly like 'You Suffer' by Napalm Death (however, this only applies if you have recently suffered a severe head injury)

5. Phil doesn't exist

Strange but true!!

Ger Boy wrote:

If some guy from Spain comes on and makes a post which is not only irrelevant, but meant to put me down J

What I want to know is why Liam doesn't support his local team Real Madrid instead of being a glory hunter and supporting Stockport County!

eh stockport county

great team

Bernard used to be a cartoonist.

Now that is a strange (and true!) fact.

One of Bernard's favourite albums is 'Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence' soundtrack by Ryuichi Sakamoto.

Another strange (and true!) fact.

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: Bernard used to be a cartoonist.

Now that is a strange (and true!) fact.

Ridiculous!

At least mine were vaguely believable!!

Some people...

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: One of Bernard's favourite albums is 'Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence' soundtrack by Ryuichi Sakamoto.

Another strange (and true!) fact.

Stop it now, you're just being silly.

I hate silly people.

New Order were set to work with Afrika Bambaata, but they turned him down when they found out he wanted to make a ballad.

Strange and true!

Repent, people. Beg for forgiveness.

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: New Order were set to work with Afrika Bambaata, but they turned him down when they found out he wanted to make a ballad.

Strange and true!

That kind of fascinates me....New Order were into old school hiphop back then (think Confusion), so I could believe it. But yeah that's really funny i'm gonna have to google that.

J

Strange but true:

New Order are, in fact, old.

It's not well known, but Pernod killed the band.

Bernard has a pet Ocelot called Wolfgang Peter's beard is made of Lace Steve was elected to parliament in Macedonia Gillian has got an HGV license

galgo23 wrote: Bernard has a pet Ocelot called Wolfgang

not quite right, Bernard has a pet Ocelot that he likes to wolfbang!

Jed Stephens wrote:

galgo23 wrote: Bernard has a pet Ocelot called Wolfgang

not quite right, Bernard has a pet Ocelot that he likes to wolfbang!

I hope the Ocelots c*nt is well lubricated

EdelBrock wrote: Sad the breetash don't know the Dead Milkmen...

(unfortunatly no official video for this song)

What the fook was that? You need to get a bit of this:

Bet you didn't know that Tupac was born and killed in Garstang, shot outside Popeyes takeway. He's now buried next to George Formby.

Fookin' Northern England class!

Uncle Liam wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

Yes I can what you. A million times better. And the thing is this, if your "music" (and i use that term in its broadest possible context) was so great, why have no labels come begging for your signature? Where the head of EM bloody I? Wheres Richard Branson? They aint knocking on yoru door thats for fucking certain.

Now I will say this. Accusing people of being a peadphile is one thing. saying you mean no disrespect and then not apoligising for it is another. A number of people on the board consider me a good friend. A few of them have had me in the company of their children. so are you not dispecting them? It might be a "damn message board exchange of words" but you obviously dont know what your words mean.

I will also say do you know how many lives are destroyed by false accusations of Peadohilia? Its enough. Look at Michael Jackson. But yet you justify it by quoting some ten a penny rapper. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes about your character.

Now taking away all the gimmicks, all the bullshit, all the jokes, all the long winded speeches, I will say this: You are the vilest, most worthless, most disgusting, most shameful, most ingorant, most pathetic, most talentless, most nausea inducing individual I have ever come across. I sincerely wish you nothing but the absolute worse for the rest of your pathetic little life.

Uncle Liam, it's your argument but I agree with you on most of this.

You just don't go around calling people paedophiles. is this what the British colony has come to these days?...

the brits are a bit sore about paedaophaelia because they used to steal american boys for their navy and the ugly bastards would rape our kids right on the decks to break them in.

thus, the war of 1812.

it is one perverted island over there.

no wonder Hitler avoided it!

Tarbox23 wrote: the brits are a bit sore about paedaophaelia because they used to steal american boys for their navy and the ugly bastards would rape our kids right on the decks to break them in.

thus, the war of 1812.

it is one perverted island over there.

no wonder Hitler avoided it!

He didn't avoid it. He got well and truly twatted by the RAF, while Roosevelt fannied about playing the peacemaker. That is, until he got his arse burnt at Pearl Harbour and realised he needed our assistance.

We are a bit sore about paedophilia in Britain because it is fooking sick issue, hence the wordwide hounding of Gary Glitter by our press. Now maybe there are millions of rednecks in the good ol' US and A who happen to be the father to the nephews and nieces and that is why it isn't considered such a serious matter over the pond?

If so, thank fook for 1812.

Calling somebody a paedophile, however much you may dislike them, is just not the done thing.

It's just not cricket.

...And it has no place on this website.

If people are too ignorant and/or stupid to understand that then they just go to add to the stereotype their country may have in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Show a bit of class guys.

Pearl HARBOR

don't they teach you guys how to spell over on that little foggy island?

no wonder we have global warming with all the wasted energy going into useless extra u's and a's over there.

:wink3:

noorder wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: the brits are a bit sore about paedaophaelia because they used to steal american boys for their navy and the ugly bastards would rape our kids right on the decks to break them in.

thus, the war of 1812.

it is one perverted island over there.

no wonder Hitler avoided it!

He didn't avoid it. He got well and truly twatted by the RAF, while Roosevelt fannied about playing the peacemaker. That is, until he got his arse burnt at Pearl Harbour and realised he needed our assistance.

We are a bit sore about paedophilia in Britain because it is fooking sick issue, hence the wordwide hounding of Gary Glitter by our press. Now maybe there are millions of rednecks in the good ol' US and A who happen to be the father to the nephews and nieces and that is why it isn't considered such a serious matter over the pond?

If so, thank fook for 1812.

Calling somebody a paedophile, however much you may dislike them, is just not the done thing.

It's just not cricket.

Pedophilia (and that is the proper spelling) is frowned upon all over the world. It is sick and disgusting, hence me implying that Liam goes on child porn! In the USA however, we are leaning away from a politically correct climate and with our culture, more or less anything goes. Howard Stern. South Park. We make jokes about the catholic priests touching boys all the time. We're fairly liberal, and there's rarely a line that can be crossed when it comes to offensive comedy.

However, I understand that there are cultural differences in how we see the world. While I still think, I mean know that Uncle Liam is a miserable loser, if I truly offended anyone by that child porn comment who might not appreciate that type of humor I do apologize.

J

No Holiday wrote:

noorder wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: the brits are a bit sore about paedaophaelia because they used to steal american boys for their navy and the ugly bastards would rape our kids right on the decks to break them in.

thus, the war of 1812.

it is one perverted island over there.

no wonder Hitler avoided it!

He didn't avoid it. He got well and truly twatted by the RAF, while Roosevelt fannied about playing the peacemaker. That is, until he got his arse burnt at Pearl Harbour and realised he needed our assistance.

We are a bit sore about paedophilia in Britain because it is fooking sick issue, hence the wordwide hounding of Gary Glitter by our press. Now maybe there are millions of rednecks in the good ol' US and A who happen to be the father to the nephews and nieces and that is why it isn't considered such a serious matter over the pond?

If so, thank fook for 1812.

Calling somebody a paedophile, however much you may dislike them, is just not the done thing.

It's just not cricket.

Pedophilia (and that is the proper spelling) is frowned upon all over the world. It is sick and disgusting, hence me implying that Liam goes on child porn! In the USA however, we are leaning away from a politically correct climate and with our culture, more or less anything goes. Howard Stern. South Park. We make jokes about the catholic priests touching boys all the time. We're fairly liberal, and there's rarely a line that can be crossed when it comes to offensive comedy.

However, I understand that there are cultural differences in how we see the world. While I still think, I mean know that Uncle Liam is a miserable loser, if I truly offended anyone by that child porn comment who might not appreciate that type of humor I do apologize.

J

So how come Russell Brand upset so many Americans and is likely to be to have ended his brief TV career in America with his offensive remarks at MTV awards? It seems to me the Americans are rather conservative and conformist (not to mention easily offended). In the UK most things are fair game - celebrities, religion, races, but not child abuse.

Tarbox23 wrote: Pearl HARBOR

don't they teach you guys how to spell over on that little foggy island?

no wonder we have global warming with all the wasted energy going into useless extra u's and a's over there.

:wink3:

HARBOR?!! Can you not understand why they call it the ENGLISH language?

As well as New Order we gave you your language. Two reasons why you should be forever indebted to the Mother Country you mere colonials.

do you guys still have a king over there?

And I wouldve thought they'd knighted Robbie Williams by now.

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

i have to take issue with this. the appendix does have a use, it is to do with the immune system. look it up.

no holiday wrote:

Pedophilia (and that is the proper spelling) ...snip..

what's that - the love of feet? FFS!

Strange Fact: Most English New Order fans take pity on the increasing ignorance of their US counterparts.

Haha, come down under mate, no one gives a fuck about us. We invaded Iraq too you know!

New Order had the biggest selling 12" record of all time. Not that strange i guess, because they are pretty, pretty good.

hibster wrote:

No Holiday wrote:

And how exactly am I the antagonist? I start a thread that has nothing to do with insulting you and you make a post on here attacking me for no apparent reason. So I do to you what I do to all my enemies: I shit on them about 20 times worse than they shit on me.

You have no talents. You've admitted this. You said earlier that if I consider my songwriting a talent, then you are talented too. So are you saying you can do what I do. Write a 3 16 bar verse/3 chorus hiphop track? People are telling me to send my music out to labels and i'm networking at the moment. You, however, have no talent. Useless like an appendix.

And I do NOT apologize for calling Liam a pedophile, but I am shocked that so many people got offended by that....In the states its not really that big a deal to insult someone by implying that they like to "touch little boys" as rapper Canibus once said. Hell, LL Cool J just said in one of his new mixtape tracks "Laptop Gangstas": "You can click off my site/go back to your child porn". Maybe it's something which is more riskee in other parts of the world. I mean no disrespect to anyone other than Liam who might be offended by making this comment, but I don't apologize or take the comment back. This is not that fucking serious people. It's a damn message board exchange of words. Sit back, enjoy, or ignore. I'm good either way. And Liam......eat a dick!

J

i have to take issue with this. the appendix does have a use, it is to do with the immune system. look it up.

hibster wrote:

no holiday wrote:

Pedophilia (and that is the proper spelling) ...snip..

what's that - the love of feet? FFS!

Haha no that's just the American way of spelling it.

I do love feet though. Pretty female feet. I guess you can call it a foot fetish. I could use some pretty female feet (about size 10 or so) in my face right now actually!

No Holiday wrote:

Pedophilia...

... I could use some ... in my face right now actually!