better to wait to see what 50p has, and then comment...
also, you need to check with : http://www.discogs.com and the new order discography about the 'world in motion' mixes..
until then, it's all speculation..
later -1
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better to wait to see what 50p has, and then comment...
also, you need to check with : http://www.discogs.com and the new order discography about the 'world in motion' mixes..
until then, it's all speculation..
later -1
bc2323 wrote:
- Ceremony ceremony (7") 4:34 in a lonely place (7") 4:35 ceremony (substance) 4:22 in a lonely place 6:16
any corrections ?
In A Lonely Place (Alternative Version) [vinyl only]
bc2323 wrote: 02. Procession procession 4:27 4:11 Everything's Gone Green
any corrections ?
first Peel Sessions??
bc2323 wrote: 04. Temptation
temptation (7") 5:23 hurt (7") 4:42 temptation (12") 8:47 hurt 8:03 temptation (something wild) 3:28 temptation (ital 12") 7:26 temptation (jap 12") 8:36 temptation (87) 6:59 hurt (substance) 6:58
Then?
Temptation (24HPP edit)
bc2323 wrote: 05. Blue Monday
blue monday 7:26 the beach 7:17 Blue Monday (4.27 Edit) The Beach (4.09 edit) blue monday (jap 7") 4:09 blue monday (pol 7") 5:05
Video 5.8.6???
bc2323 wrote: 04. Temptation
temptation (7") 5:23 hurt (7") 4:42 temptation (12") 8:47 hurt 8:03 temptation (something wild) 3:28 temptation (ital 12") 7:26 temptation (jap 12") 8:36 temptation (87) 6:59 hurt (substance) 6:58
Then?
second Peel Sessions??
bc2323 wrote: 06. Confusion
confusion 8:13 confusion beats 5:19 confusion (rough mix) 8:04 confusion instrumental Confusion/Walking on Sunshine [vs. Rocker's Revenge] confusion (uk/jap 7" edit) 4:08 confusion (ger 7" edit) 3:38 confusion (87) 4:42 confusion (dub 1987) 5:23 Confusion (Acid House Mix) (4:58) 4:56 Confusion (singles edit) confusion (essential mix) 5:10 confusion (accapella) 1:17 confusion (alternative mix) 5:30 confusion (con-om-fus-ars-ion) 7:05 confusion (ooh-wee dub) 6:50 confusion (trip 1-ambient confusion) 3:40
I do consider Confusion 02 as a stand-alone single
Confuson (DMC | Dimitri mix)
bc2323 wrote: 09. The Perfect Kiss
the perfect kiss (7" edit) 4:23 kiss of death (7" edit or inst) = Perfect dub 5:09 the perfect kiss (12" extended) 8:46 kiss of death (12") 7:02 perfect pit 1:20 the perfect kiss 4:48 the perfect kiss (album edit) 4:10 the perfect kiss (substance) 8:02 the perfect kiss (live edit) 5:18 Live Video Shooting Take (9:55)
Perfect Kiss (UK 7" Edit) 3:51 Kiss Of Death (UK 7" Edit) 3:01 Elegia (7" Edit) 4:27 = b-side on Philippines 7"
bc2323 wrote: 11. Shellshock
shellshock (single version) 4:19 shellshock (extended version) 9:41 shellcock 7:35 shellshock (pretty in pink) 6:04 shellshock (substance) 6:28
Shellshock (Video Edit) 3:19 Thieves Like Us (Instrumental Edit) Thieves Like Us (Instrumental) = not the same as the b-side of Murder
bc2323 wrote: 13. Bizarre Love Triangle
bizarre love triangle (UK 7" edit #1) 3:40 = bizarre love triangle (single remix) 3:44 = bizarre love triangle (can 7) 3:40 bizarre dub triangle (7" edit) 3:23 bizarre love triangle (12") 6:44 bizarre dub triangle 7:00 bizarre love triangle (extended edit) 4:58 4:20 Bizarre Love Triangle [dub edit] ??? = album version? bizarre love triangle (7" edit #2) 3:23 = bizarre love triangle (threesome) 3:23 Bizarre Love Triangle (Remixed & Edited) [3] same as 'video version', but without the vocal sample bizarre love triangle (married to the mob) 3:54
bizarre love triangle-94 3:54
Bizarre Love Triangle (US promo 7") 3:36
Yes...there is a slightly different version of In A Lonely Place named "In A Lonely Place (Original 12' Mix)" by neworderonline.
Some notes from the Ceremony page on the discography section:
In A Lonely Place was indeed re-recorded and 3 versions exists, I know of no re-recorded seven inch version, so there are, in fact, three different versions of this song, and not the two as is widely considered. The main points to listen for are at about 3:15, when Hooky's bass comes in (old version: re-triggered thunderclap noise - newer version: no sound FX), and about 20 seconds from the end when the drums and music fall out the mix (old version: no sound FX - newer version: extra thunderclaps)." - Andrew Morrisson
thiagobyo wrote: In A Lonely Place was indeed re-recorded and 3 versions exists
No, that's wrong. It was only recorded once, as listening to the 7" and 12" versions will reveal. It would be impossible with 1981's technology to create two recordings that sound that much alike.
It was mixed slightly differently, with Hannett moving some of the electronic washes/sound effects and bass around, but the band's recorded parts are essentially the same.
Ceremony (green) 12" = original mix Ceremony (copper) 7" = shorter version Ceremony (blue/cream) 12" = different mix
Just a word about the endless edits of songs. I'm not going to fill a CD with, like, 15 different 7" edits from every country. No one wants to listen to that, and as I've said before, I'm not doing the completists job for them. The Recycle discs will include only the commercially available 7" and 12" versions from the UK. Promo edits of note (for example, there is a Thieves Like Us promo 7") and US edits of note (True Faith) will make an appearance, but that's it. Polish Blue Monday edit? Not on Factory. Edits from Japan or the Philippines? Not on Factory. Use them all anyway because 80 minutes can fit on a CD? No. No one is going to listen to that. It's 99% Factory only. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
Edits for singles are inferior. They are a compromised version of the band's vision (see: any edit of The Perfect Kiss), and were usually done by a record label outside the UK for that specific market, not made by the band. How many of you actually fell in love with New Order by hearing a 3-minute version of a song on the radio, and would die unless you had that version in your collection? Great! Use GEMM or some other resource to find a copy of that single and listen to your heart's content. Just because some shlub working for a label that licensed Factory product knows how to use a razor blade and a splicing block to trim minutes or mere seconds out of a song does not mean that mix warrants inclusion on a CD.
So, to bring it back to this topic, the Ceremony CD would include the 7" mix, and the second full-length mix from the cream/blue 12", as that was the "final" mix the band was happy with and appeared on every subsequent pressing of the single and on all later compilations.
Hi £50. Just wanted to add my support for the project and say that I agree 100% with your chosen approach.
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ceremony (7") 4:34 in a lonely place (7") 4:35 ceremony (original) 4:22 in a lonely place 6:16
procession 4:27 Everything's Gone Green 4:11
everything's gone green 5:30 cries and whispers 3:02 mesh 3:25
temptation (7") 5:23 hurt (7") 4:42 temptation (12") 8:47 hurt 8:03
blue monday 7:26 the beach 7:17
confusion 8:13 confusion beats 5:19 confusion (rough mix) 8:04 confusion instrumental confusion (essential mix) 5:10 confusion (accapella) 1:17 confusion (alternative mix) 5:30 confusion (con-om-fus-ars-ion) 7:05 confusion (ooh-wee dub) 6:50 confusion (trip 1-ambient confusion) 3:40
thieves like us (7" edit) 3:54 lonesome tonight (7" edit) 3:52 thieves like us 6:38 lonesome tonight 5:11
murder 3:55 thieves like us (instrumental 12") 6:57 thieves like us (instrumental edit) 3:55
the perfect kiss (7" edit) 4:23 kiss of death (7" edit or inst) 5:09 the perfect kiss (12" extended) 8:46 kiss of death (12") 7:02 perfect pit 1:20
3:24 Sub-culture (edit) 3:34 Dub-vulture (edit) 7:26 Sub-culture 7:57 Dub-vulture 7:10 Sub-culture (exclusive remix)
shellshock (single version) 4:19 shellshock (extended version) 9:41 shellcock 7:35
state of the nation (7" edit) 3:25 shame of the nation (7" edit) 3:37 state of the nation (12") 6:32 shame of the nation (12") 7:54
bizarre love triangle (12") 6:44 bizarre dub triangle 7:00 Bizarre Love Triangle [dub edit] 4:20 bizarre love triangle (married to the mob) 3:54
True Faith 7” 4:10 1963 5:35 true faith 5:55 true faith (morning sun extended remix) 8:59 true dub (or alternate faith dub) paradise (remix) 6:35 evil dust
touched by the hand of god (7" edit) 3:47 touched by the hand of dub (7" edit) 4:11 touched by the hand of god 7:02 touched by the hand of dub 5:30 Confusion Dub 1987 5:23 touched by the hand of god (arthur baker remix) 7:56
4:10 Blue Monday 1988 (7inch) 4:14 Beach Buggy (7inch) 7:10 Blue Monday 1988 6:52 Beach Buggy 7:17 Blue Monday 1988 (Dub Version)
Fine Time 3:08 Don't Do It 4:30 fine time 4:42 fine line 4:43 fine time (messed around mix) 4:33 fine time (silk mix) 6:15
Round & Round 3:31 round & round (12" version) 6:52 vanishing point (instrumental making out mix) 5:10 best and marsh 4:32 round & round (club mix) 7:07 round & round (twelve inch remix) 6:53 round & round (detroit mix) 6:29
run 2 (7") 3:35 mto 3:43 run 2 (extended) 5:22 mto (minus mix) 5:24
4:30 world in motion (or single mix) 4:48 world in motion (the b-side) 5:08 World in Motion... (subbuteo mix) 4:13 World in Motion... (subbuteo dub) 5:52 World in Motion... (carabinieri mix) 4:12 World in Motion... (no alla violenzia mix)
later -1
-1 wrote:
- Touched By The Hand Of God - 5 tracks
touched by the hand of god (7" edit) 3:47 touched by the hand of dub (7" edit) 4:11 touched by the hand of god 7:02 touched by the hand of dub 5:30 touched by the hand of god (arthur baker remix) 7:56
plus "Confusion Dub 1987" (5:23)
Tokoloshe Man wrote:
-1 wrote:
- Touched By The Hand Of God - 5 tracks
touched by the hand of god (7" edit) 3:47 touched by the hand of dub (7" edit) 4:11 touched by the hand of god 7:02 touched by the hand of dub 5:30 touched by the hand of god (arthur baker remix) 7:56
plus "Confusion Dub 1987" (5:23)
added, yeah thanks..
later -1
This sounds very exciting...down to the artwork and all. I wonder what the labels will think about the fans showin them how it's done!!! .... not mention the band as well...
I think it's a great example of a successful collaborative community of fans.
Credit to 50 pound note to intiate something like this!!!
N.
we should for sure add pretty in pink version of TBTHOG, dimitri mix of confusion amd 808 state versions. its not duplicate edits but good reworkings, like 96 remix of WIM or touched by the hand of bias
what did you think of the remixes update on 2 cds ?
-1 wrote: only the main tracks, and a few edits
Still not a very consistent tracklisting...
I would start with using the releases from one country (f.i. UK) and build up every tracklisting like this: 7" release 12" release 12" Remix release cd-maxi release cd-maxi Remix release
So, no additional remixes from soundtracks or promo-only versions...
Or...
Take all versions you can find and put them all together! Including all non-album tracks that were recorded/released at the same time, like Video 586 on the Temptation disc, Theme on the Murder disc... I know that nobody wants to listen to various radio edits or 12" variations in a row, but these releases will be in a way a kind of back-up discs. (Personally I hardly ever listen to all tracks that are on a full length cd-maxi in one time, do you?)
What I definitely wouldn't do is combining '80s and '90s (Temptation, Confusion, Blue Monday...) versions on 1 cd-maxi. My suggestion, make separate cd-maxis.
In the end everybody will make his own cd's and tracklisting and that's probably the best, so you can do it the way you feel comfortable with... so no need to complain or dislike someone else's ideas anymore... ![]()
bc2323 wrote: we should for sure add pretty in pink version of TBTHOG, dimitri mix of confusion amd 808 state versions. its not duplicate edits but good reworkings, like 96 remix of WIM or touched by the hand of bias
what did you think of the remixes update on 2 cds ?
i'm not 50p, but he has said many times, there won't be any of the 90's mixes on there..
so we'll have to wait and see, but i doubt it.
later -1
musicoloog wrote:
-1 wrote: only the main tracks, and a few edits
Still not a very consistent tracklisting...
it's basically the uk 7", and the uk 12", unless there was secondary release, like a second 12", or the uk cd, and second one..
yes, there are few extras thrown in.. that's a judgement call for 50p..
but this would be a minimal listing..
any less, and you wouldn't even be copying what was released in the UK..
later -1
Still no room for Shellshock 7" b-side... TLU Instr. ![]()
You found out already that the 7" intro is unique?
I would consider World in Motion... (Subbuteo Dub) 4:09 from the 12" Remix a different mix compared to the full length 5:09 as it contains unique elements...
musicoloog wrote: Still no room for Shellshock 7" b-side... TLU Instr.
You found out already that the 7" intro is unique?
i'll admit, i does sound different now.. i used headphones, that made it easier...
hey, my version would have all the edits.. i'll wait until this is finished though, and see what else is missing first..
i'm not 'involved' in this project, i'm just speculating... so we'll have to wait for the final listing from 50p..
later -1
CEREMONY
PROCESSION // PEEL SESSIONS 1981
TEMPTATION // PEEL SESSIONS 1982
VIDEO 5.8.6.
BLUE MONDAY
CONFUSION
THIEVES LIKE US
MURDER
THE PERFECT KISS
SUB-CULTURE
SHELLSHOCK
STATE OF THE NATION
BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE
PARADISE
TRUE FAITH
TOUCHED BY THE HAND OF GOD
SALVATION! EP
BLUE MONDAY 1988
FINE TIME
ROUND AND ROUND
RUN2
WORLD IN MOTION...
CONFUSION 1990
REGRET
RUINED IN A DAY
WORLD (THE PRICE OF LOVE)
SPOOKY
TRUE FAITH 94
LET'S GO (NOTHING FOR ME) // BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE '94
NINETEEN63
CONFUSION (RECONSTRUCTION)
BLUE MONDAY - 95
EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN - THE ADVENT MIXES
TEMPTATION '98 // PEEL SESSIONS (1998)
BRUTAL
TRUE FAITH 2001
GET READY - ADVANCED EP
CRYSTAL
60 MILES AN HOUR
SOMEONE LIKE YOU
RUN WILD (EP)
HERE TO STAY
CONFUSION 2002
ACID HOUSE MIXES BY 808 STATE (1988) // 5 8 6 (PETER BLACK MIXES)
SOUNDTRACK
KRAFTY
JETSTREAM
WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL
BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE '05 // BLUE MONDAY 2005
GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION
TURN // 12X12
-1 wrote:
musicoloog wrote: Still no room for Shellshock 7" b-side... TLU Instr.
You found out already that the 7" intro is unique?
i'll admit, i does sound different now.. i used headphones, that made it easier...
hey, my version would have all the edits.. i'll wait until this is finished though, and see what else is missing first..
i'm not 'involved' in this project, i'm just speculating... so we'll have to wait for the final listing from 50p..
later -1
Aren't we all? (Waiting for the final listing) ![]()
Hmm - so you did put your 7" mixes there, but there's no space for my Soundtrack 7" and my Run 2 12" remaster? They're so close to the original... ![]()
cheers,
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