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404 error wrote: Using vinyl transfers is beyond pathetic. Surely TBTHOG 12" was released on cd already, so why use a vinyl version? I've already done my own digitisation of all the vinyl stuff.
Maybe they just visited a p2p site themselves and downloaded mp3s of other people's vinyl rips and just burned them!
Knobheads.
I'm not buying these remasters. There's really no point. I've got it all. I MAY buy them if they turn up dirt cheap in a few years time. But I'm not now. The only way I can demonstrate to London or whoever that I dislike shoddy and unsatisfactory product is by not buying it. Do a decent job and I'll pay the money. Don't, and I won't.
I'd love to know what the problem was with doing these remasters properly.
Do you think that with the chaos at the end of Factory Records they have now lost the master tapes of some of this stuff?
Or is it just the case that they couldn't care less about the audio quality and just grabbed the first tape/vinyl/mp3 copy that came to hand?
Hooky's got tons of Masters : didn't he go down to Strawberry and salvage all the old JD tapes from a bin in the rain?
Personally, I can't see what the problem was with actually saying to this website : here you go, produce the best bonus disc you can and we'll sort the fine detail.
Adam Tate wrote: I'd love to know what the problem was with doing these remasters properly.
Do you think that with the chaos at the end of Factory Records they have now lost the master tapes of some of this stuff?
Or is it just the case that they couldn't care less about the audio quality and just grabbed the first tape/vinyl/mp3 copy that came to hand?
It's probably the same reason why they didn't play The Perfect Kiss live during years (they weren't arsed to spend some time doing the programming): I can easily imagine that Hooky's got all master tapes, but sorting them out and retrieving the final versions of each song (not mentioning actually remastering them) was probably too much of an effort for the sluggards. 
There are better versions of the songs floating around in these forums. There are several people on the boards who have the ability to take a rip from vinyl and clean it up, making it sound better than a CD - truly, professional-sounding output from people who aren't professionals but do it because they love the music and would be happy to lend a hand. I'm sure members would have been pouring out of the woodwork to help, if only we'd been asked.
This tells me without a doubt they just don't care.
I was going to buy them for the sleeve notes and artwork, but I won't bother - and I'm a faithful collector.
I'll just finish with my own versions, thanks.
I've lost interest in speaking about these reissues to be honest.
Complete crap... my last words on the subject 
Good luck with your reissues, £50.
Ally wrote: I've lost interest in speaking about these reissues to be honest.
Complete crap... my last words on the subject
Good luck with your reissues, £50.
to be fair: only the bonus discs seem to have most of the issues... the actual albums are decent enough in quality..
movement - no major problems power corruption and lies - no major problems low-life - drop in some channels on sunrise brotherhood - no major problems technique - no major problems
later -1
Hooky's got tons of Masters : didn't he go down to Strawberry and salvage all the old JD tapes from a bin in the rain?
Nope, someone else did that...and they've still got them
Been away for a few days, and refrained from buying as I looked through the booklets in HMV, and thought, "you fucking lazy cunts".
Reading all the comments here would suggest it's far, far worse.
London Records - YOU ARE COCKSUCKERS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, AND AN ABSOLUTE SHOWER OF CUNTS.
What was wrong with just replicating what the Pet Shop Boys did?
And -1? Don't!!!
Ally wrote:
It's taking a fair amount of effort - as a relatively hardcore collector - to refrain from getting a refund on the new Low-life, Brotherhood & Technique I bought yesterday morning... the TBTHOG 12" on the Brotherhood bonus disc had me grinding my teeth in embarrassment; a proper fucking disappointment whether you're bothered by correct remastering or not. Everyone slated "International" at the time but at least the tracks were properly mastered with some care and sound relatively pristine next to this lot.
Will be going straight back to the shop for a refund, as all these "CDs" are clearly faulty. Channel drops, clicks, pops, from vinyl? Unacceptable. I would suggest that everybody who's unhappy (quite a few people, it seems) does the same. Return your CDs for a refund. That's the only way Warner Brothers will listen.
This might sound like a lazy question but can you really return opened products in the UK/Europe? In the US you cannot get your money back on an opened CD or DVD. You can only get the exact same replacement and nothing else.
Since I paid $65 USD for 2 shitty Remasters I would love to return them.
Now, I'm no audiophile, but the 'crackles' and 'pops' that are apparent throughout Perfect Kiss on the Low-life bonus disc are shocking. Add that to the misprint on the spine of the case (1983 instead of 1985), and no doubt other shoddy attention to detail to await elsewhere, and this makes one very disappointed New Order fan. I was going to buy Movement, but seriously doubt I will now. Can people at London involved in this project please explain why quality control has been so poor?
Quick summary of my views on the remasters:
PCL: Quite pleased with this one - both disks sound good and appear complete with no errors or vinyl nonesense.
Low-Life: Main CD ok apart from the right-channel dropout in Sunrise. Bonus CD vinyl clicks on TPK are poor.
Brotherhood: Main CD ok. Bonus CD vinyl clicks on 1963 and TBTHOG are poor.
Technique: Main CD ok. Bonus CD appears to be sourced entirely from vinyl and is ruined by pops and clicks. I ended up making my own.
Overall: Poor. Rhino appear to have taken the master tapes and shat on them rather than using them to make the bonus disks. Oh well. Time to move on and buy some other stuff...
...mind you, it has been a good excuse to play loads of New Order again (not that one was needed). No doubt I'll buy Movement also when it comes out, despite still having the channels reversed on the original Ceremony mix...
Long live the music - however it's packaged.
Andrew wrote: I was going to buy Movement, but seriously doubt I will now.
movement is one of the best ones actually, the main disc sounds great, and the bonus tracks are all decent.. especially if they're putting the 7" and 12" versions of temptation on there..
later -1
Who is New Order's Manager?
Were the band consulted at all?
Surely there must have been listening sessions to ascertain quality?
Surely the band couldn't be pleased with these products?
The actual tracklisting was dubious in the 1st place - incomplete, bizarre choices, lazy.
It really pains me to mention this AGAIN but the Pet Shop Boys remaster booklets contained comprehensive comments on the making of the album, and images from that era. What do we get? A flimsy booklet with no images! When you have such amazing source material from Peter Saville that could have been used, this really takes the fucking biscuit.
And reading all the comments about the poor sound, just makes me so fucking angry. If you're going to do something, do it fucking properly.
CUNTS
Chad Weeks wrote: This might sound like a lazy question but can you really return opened products in the UK/Europe? In the US you cannot get your money back on an opened CD or DVD. You can only get the exact same replacement and nothing else.
Since I paid $65 USD for 2 shitty Remasters I would love to return them.
Yes you can get refunds. There is also a Trading Standards Act that refers to shoddy goods where the goods should be:
Of satisfactory quality, which means they must meet the standards that any reasonable person would expect;
Fit for the purpose;
As described.
I don't have these re-masters but it sounds like they fail the above 3 should shops not be willing to refund.
Not much really in the booklets, half a dozen pages of blurb about the album, but no real details or new insights.
Not very well made and appears 'cheap' in my opinion.
I have got Brotherhood and Technique, I'm assuming the others will all be the same.
Wonder how/what they willl do with the Republic Album art, the booklet was really nice in the original, hopefully it'll be put right given the feedback so far!
Here's hoping!
Not that its a big deal at this point, but does Technique bonus disk have WIM carib mix or not? (fnac site misses it off the track list). And is it a poppy clicky vinyl version or not?
It's there, although it's mis-labeled 'Cabinieri Mix' on the CD. And it sounds like its sourced from vinyl.
was down at hmv today and just for one moment had brotherhood ,powercorruption and lies ,low life in me hand,, they looked beatifull, awesome , then i looked at the price tag£13.99 for an alleged sound botch up,,,naaaaa neatly arranged them back onto the shelf ,,, maybe just maybe amazon will tempt me into all 5 .
watched it slip away
I did order alle remasters @ my local recordshop (yes, there's still a few left in Holland:) )
But reading all the messages here makes think of going up to the store and cancel the order
Doesn't sound to cool..
not a good job
total disaster, wish id never have bought them - ive got a version of the full-length TPK that sounds 100 times better than the disgrace offered on the Low-Life bonus disk.
complete and utter waste of time.
Just listening to Hooky on Radio 2. They're playing Vanishing Point and the CD has started skipping! Says it all really.
Sorry to harp on about this, but Perfect Kiss on the Low-life bonus is an embarrassment. Can we have a 'fixed' version (of this and the other dodgy vinyl rips) made available to download ASAP please London/Rhino?
What I've read here, I won't buy those remastered (ahem...) CDs as well, as I can trust your ears.
What do you think, shouldn't a remaster sound like this one?
http://chronovisor.blogspot.com/2008/09/decadence-of-80s-part-44.html
Any comments?
cheers,
|cv|
I haven't heard the full remasters, but all these messages are making me totally disappointed. Of course that die-hard fans like us tend to be more critical but I've read (and listened to clips of) real problems that are unacceptable for a band with NO status.
Seriously, when they supposedly 'split up' we were receiving statements in the press about bullshit that I would rather not know, so this is a good time to Hook go to myspace and give a real useful explanation to fans telling what the hell is going on with the low quality of these releases.
One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that the main albums themselves sound great and have no glitches/clicks etc, in other words are in fact remastered and largely improved.
All this moaning is purely about the track selection and sound quality of the extra bonus tracks (State Of The Nation's appearance on Brotherhood excepted).
Just redressing the balance a little.
