Will you ever buy anything from this lot again?

Never mind once bitten....this lot are making a career out of shoveling shit into the market place. It's so sad. It's like Factory in reverse - money first, everything else an after thought.

I'll never buy another product as long as they remain on London Records. Hear that London, does that fucking resonate? I will never BUY another product that you put out as you've proved that you are incapable of treating this stuff with any kind of respect.

I'll second that ... (gladly)

London Records is nothing more than a name for some years now. Someone at the Warner Music Group is concerned with them. Seems not to be the biggest fan or to care about anything else than the money they're bringing in.

I read all the comments and then thought I'd get the Movement one based on having Mesh, full length Hurt, and Temptation 87 remastered.

Well 2 out of 3 ain't bad, but I've got the 12" of Temptation already on Retro, and the 7" on Recycle, and I really love the Substance version (I know -the French International has a clean crisp version).

But the album itself? I've got the original Factory CD in pristine, mint condition, and I'm now tempted to take this remaster back and exchange it for one of the 808 State Remasters - which by all accounts sound fucking amazing.

Any fucking ideas?

I will if they put out something I haven't already got 47 times.

I'll buy the Waiting For The Sirens' Call outtakes CD. Can't wait.

Nope, done with these guys. The New Order CDs I purchased in the past are good enough.

Emile Strunz wrote:

But the album itself? I've got the original Factory CD in pristine, mint condition, and I'm now tempted to take this remaster back and exchange it for one of the 808 State Remasters - which by all accounts sound f***** amazing.

the 808 state remasters aren't that big of an improvement...since they're digitally recorded in the first place..

get them for the bonus tracks if you dont' have them already..

otherwise, its not really worth it..

later -1

-1 wrote:

Emile Strunz wrote:

But the album itself? I've got the original Factory CD in pristine, mint condition, and I'm now tempted to take this remaster back and exchange it for one of the 808 State Remasters - which by all accounts sound f***** amazing.

the 808 state remasters aren't that big of an improvement...since they're digitally recorded in the first place..

get them for the bonus tracks if you dont' have them already..

otherwise, its not really worth it..

later -1

I will purchase more from this lot, simply because as shitty as its mastered, the music is still good.

aint even bought the remasters yet,, if im tempted to listen ive got em all on vinly anyways.

as hooky did brazil for the money he can stay sold out.

power corruption and lies

Well, I will if it's new stuff.

I can never be arsed with re-masters. It's just an excuse to re-market.

Strunz, why don't you just buy the 12" records? They're not that hard to find and they all sound good without any extra stuff done to them. Seems like the best option as Peter Hook hinted that a lot of the original masters are lost anyway.

Ally wrote: I really wouldn't fuck with Nick on the 808 State front

At least the 808 remasters are properly mastered and have decent (no clicks) bonus CD's with some unreleased tracks on them...

Not really a lot to ask, is it?

-1 wrote:

Emile Strunz wrote:

But the album itself? I've got the original Factory CD in pristine, mint condition, and I'm now tempted to take this remaster back and exchange it for one of the 808 State Remasters - which by all accounts sound f***** amazing.

the 808 state remasters aren't that big of an improvement...since they're digitally recorded in the first place..

get them for the bonus tracks if you dont' have them already..

otherwise, its not really worth it..

later -1

You are making yourself an easy target for backlash with stupid comments like that. Those 808 State remasters sound brilliant and if you can't hear much improvement on the originals you seriously must be deaf. :\ohwell:

Neil Monaghan' wrote:

You are making yourself an easy target for backlash with stupid comments like that. Those 808 State remasters sound brilliant and if you can't hear much improvement on the originals you seriously must be deaf. :\ohwell:

care to back that up with a review, or anything? i'd be interested in hearing it..

yeah, i check out the 808 site too.. http://www.thequietus.com/articles/808-state doesn't say much, except history..

and there's not a whole lot on their forum either? yeah, most of the links lead to magazine articles saying the same thing..

and there's also debate and disappointment about the bonus tracks, just like there is here.. along with a misprinted cover for exel...

later -1

-1 wrote: and there's also debate and disappointment about the bonus tracks, just like there is here.. along with a misprinted cover for exel...

The misprinted cover for exel is getting re-printed (in actual fact the "ex:el" bit is green on the remasters, and should be yellow)... Oh, and they missed off "Olympic" on the cover tracklisting...

And, as I keep repeating myself, at least there are unreleased tracks/mixes on the bonus cd's, which didn't occur for New Order - look at PC&L - every single track on there can be found on Substance...

Yeah, 90 replicates tracks from Utd. State 90, and doesn't include one particular mix of Pacific (909) - there's a reason for that (which got replaced with an unreleased mix of Pacific = disaster!), and if that was the only reason for criticising the New Order remasters (they left off one track), then I'd be a much happier man over these remasters than I currently am! :p

Oh, and the 808 bonus tracks don't have any skips/clicks/pops, etc - in fact, there's nothing wrong with the sound quality whatsoever...

If only I could say the same for NO...

I want blood. Literally. And not some fucking used plaster fob-off, either. I want four phials of fresh blood, one from each of the band.

I'll clone them and keep the copies to entertain houseguests.

Ally wrote: Period blood.

:barf:

Ally wrote: Let's face it... -1 will not be happy with any remastered reissue unless it is a deluxe 13 CD version with every single promo mix, cough, burp and fart which occured during the recording process of the album specified. Whereas other people - by and large - don't give a shit about these sort of things, he seems determined to drive his point into the ground with some gusto.

ironically,

i am still a sucker for groups i like,

because i end up buying all this stuff anyways.. i have all those 808 state remasters, and will be getting the US versions also..

i did say it was good to have the bonus tracks on the 808 state disks.. no problems there..

and am looking forward to more from them..

such is the curse of being a collector..

did you guys ever see the stone roses boxset? i'll have to admit it was pretty DECENT at the time it came out (almost complete).....go figure...

later -1

The CD singles boxset? Aside from the fact it was a shabby and pointless piece of exploitation by the label that killed the goose that laid the golden egg, it wasn't bad.

-1 wrote: because i end up buying all this stuff anyways.. i have all those 808 state remasters, and will be getting the US versions also..

Now, that's a damn good question - I don't *think* that the US versions will be any different to the UK (apart from the replaced ex:el cover, hopefully)... i.e. I believe it's just the UK ZTT versions shipped over?

However, if they are different, then I'd better get an order in with Amazon soon(ish)! :)

mark reed wrote: The CD singles boxset? Aside from the fact it was a shabby and pointless piece of exploitation by the label that killed the goose that laid the golden egg, it wasn't bad.

i'm in shock...

is that nearly an agreement? well, anyways, i made the mistake of buying all the cd-singles separately when they came out..

and then later on i see the boxset, thinking wow, maybe i should get that since i thought it would have all kinds of cool stuff on it..

and was ticked to find it only included one extra single (the last one) with 2 unreleased tracks...

the other bonus was finding out peter hook was involved with them for the song 'elephant stone'...which i had no idea, since i wasn't keeping up with what he was doing at the time...

later -1

-1 wrote: the 808 state remasters aren't that big of an improvement...since they're digitally recorded in the first place..

-1, being digitally recorded means nothing as far as mastering goes. the mastering could have sucked back then, and then been all spruced up now.

especially with a lot of these late 80s, early 90s digitally recorded albums, a lot of the songs were a bit sterile and too clean, cold, and the mastering never corrected that...

now, they can go back and give back some analog warmth (even via digital processing) to those tracks, and help them be a bit fuller and rich....

but, just for future reference, the fact that something is recorded digitally has no impact on how good the mastering was done at the time....

If I like it, I buy it. All that other crap is somebody else's business.

Tarbox23 wrote:

-1, being digitally recorded means nothing as far as mastering goes. the mastering could have sucked back then, and then been all spruced up now.

especially with a lot of these late 80s, early 90s digitally recorded albums, a lot of the songs were a bit sterile and too clean, cold, and the mastering never corrected that...

now, they can go back and give back some analog warmth (even via digital processing) to those tracks, and help them be a bit fuller and rich....

but, just for future reference, the fact that something is recorded digitally has no impact on how good the mastering was done at the time....

mat, i agree with you...

however, i'll have to ask nick, if he can answer that concerning the mastering of the original cds..

at this point, all those cds, were probably DDD, digitally recorded, mixing, and mastering..

they used to print these on cd's, but stopped around 1990.

so we don't really know the details..

there's just a lot less work, if everything is done digitally, and that's why remastering may sound different, but how much is obviously subjective..

later -1