...but bizarrely, no New Order or Joy Division? wtf?
Compiled by producer Mark Ronson.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/dec/18/mark-ronson-100-best-bands
No U2 either, kudos for that.
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Old Lead Foot wrote: this may be, and some of his choices should be applauded, but, MARK RONSON IS Acock
Gotta agree with yer there OLF,great producer,bu he is a cock!
Does he want his fanny kickin in? 
I think so 
That just doesn't make any sense to me, yeah they're pretty good, but NO and JD are much better, have to agree, ronson is a knob, middle class spoilt brat trying to hang with some boys his mother definitely wouldn't approve of, and ends up making wishy washy pop.
Mark Ronson is a total and utter tool with no discernible talent or taste.
All that has to be said really.
While it's nice to see Electronic getting some recognition... if it's by that prick I'd rather they didn't get any at all. He absolutely ruined a Smiths song trying to flog it on his vanity covers project as a 'fashionable' r&b number. Some things are best left well enough alone.
P.s. Nuts... dunno how he's a good producer mate... he can sell records but that's not necessarily the mark of a good producer in the most important sonic sense
Looking through it, I'd disagree with around 80% of his choices - very mainstream/commercial/safe/conservative choices.
To be fair though, it is billed as 'my' Best Bands Of All Time...
Electronic wouldn't have got into my Top 100 and to miss out Joy Division, The Fall, The Clash, Stiff Little Fingers, The Undertones, New Order, Teardrop Explodes, etc. shows what limited musical sensibilities this middle class pseudo-intellectual has.
But then does his opinion really matter apart from when a quickly dwindling Guardian readership want to add to their 'safe' CD collections?
I even thought that the 'Rolling Stone' and 'Time' magazine lists were probably more representative of the variety of 20th Century music.
Oh well, just because someone says we should like something, it doesn't mean we should follow like sheep - listen and decide for ourselves... everyone is entitled to their likes and dislikes and I think that most of us are comfortable with our own!
EDIT: Except Jeff who likes Wham! and still seems uncomfortable about it...
Chris Nash wrote: Electronic wouldn't have got into my Top 100 and to miss out Joy Division, The Fall, The Clash, Stiff Little Fingers, The Undertones, New Order, Teardrop Explodes, etc. shows what limited musical sensibilities this middle class pseudo-intellectual has.
who cares if he is middle class?
and, uh, The Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers, Teardrop Explodes, IN TOP 100??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yikes.
I think individual tastes would be so varied that it's difficult to keep things consistent in lists like these. That being said, I wouldn't say that Electronic are one of the best bands of all music history, but as a fan who likes Electronic a lot, they'd be in a list of my most favourite bands in the world.
I got a similar feeling when I looked at the lists for the best albums of 2008 lists in the music magazines here. There was even a page of what each individual journalist chose, and it was quite varied.
Electronic should have achieved more. Aye some good stuff is there but with the likes of Tennent, Marr, Bartos involved it should have been mind blowing good. Marr's presence is never really significant, at best its just some good dance music.
Ronson is indeed an arse
Dave Earnshaw wrote: Electronic should have achieved more. Aye some good stuff is there but with the likes of Tennent, Marr, Bartos involved it should have been mind blowing good. Marr's presence is never really significant, at best its just some good dance music.
Ronson is indeed an arse
Right you are, Andy.
Err, I mean Dave.
Old Blue wrote:
Dave Earnshaw wrote: Electronic should have achieved more. Aye some good stuff is there but with the likes of Tennent, Marr, Bartos involved it should have been mind blowing good. Marr's presence is never really significant, at best its just some good dance music.
Ronson is indeed an arse
Right you are, Andy.
Err, I mean Dave.
Nah, it can't by Andy, he's using apostrophes and capital letters... :p
Electronic was good time-period music... in that it just doesn't stand the tests of time, but sounded great when it was released. That being the case, I just don't see it hitting any top 100 greatest band lists...
As the article states, "...While recording their latest album, Off With Their Heads, Kaiser Chiefs asked producer Mark Ronson to list his favourite 100 musical acts of all time. They were joking, but he went ahead and listed 99 of them on his laptop, leaving a place still to be filled ..."
Frankly speaking, all the renown Electronic has is based solely on their first album. That speaks volumes. The eponymous album from 1991 is indeed one of the best albums of 1990s, and I remember at the time of its release it got a lot of flattering reviews.
Later on they slided into a European nightmare.
Chris Nash wrote:
Electronic wouldn't have got into my Top 100 and to miss out Joy Division, The Fall, The Clash, Stiff Little Fingers, The Undertones, New Order, Teardrop Explodes, etc. shows what limited musical sensibilities this middle class pseudo-intellectual has.
Err... The Clash are in there.
But, yes, he is a cock.
Great pun, using 'Err...' instead of 'Er...' 
Yes, to err is human and I missed that - sorry.
I think Bernard put it best in a 1999 interview that people could never really take Electronic as a separate band without always dragging The Smiths and New Order/Joy Division comparisons into it. He had a point and predictably Monaco suffered from the same problems as well but this is unsurprising as all offshoots of well established groups tend to be overlooked and undervalued by default.
The muso press find them an easy target to assign unrealistic expectations to and (some) fans develop resentment because they feel the musicians are wasting their time away from the "mother" group. Personally, I think New Order are one of the few groups to have side bands that produced at least some material of quality equal to or better than the "mother" group.
All three Electronic albums taken on their own merit are by no means shockingly bad pieces of work. A lot of lesser bands would kill to come up with some of the singles Marr and Sumner delivered over the years. They all have their high and low points with the debut probably emerging as the cream of the crop. The second album is slightly over-long and overproduced but there are still a clutch of really good pop songs on it.
The third album is again quite different with more industrial rockier production, heavier beats and more jam-orientated songs but in all honesty... I liked it a lot at the time and definitely reckon it's underrated. I seem to remember at the time it did well critically but sold next to nothing which is why it was the last we saw of Electronic until the Best Of two years ago.
It's disappointing the first bit of recognition Electronic get in the press is down to that Ronson tosser though... deeply disappointing! 
It's an extremely dead work day so I'm fully geeking out to pass some time by giving the authoritative and final consenus on the NO side projects:
+Classic; among the highest echelon of musical achievement: Monaco - Music for Pleasure
+Certified Quality release; recommended: Electronic - Electronic, Getting Away With It, Get the Message, Feel Every Bit, Disappointed, Raise the Pressure, Vivid, Twisted Tenderness
Other Two - Other Two and You
+Mediocre; good but flawed releases
Revenge - One True Passion, Pineapple Face
Nothing else rates. Got to have standards.
|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Frankly speaking, all the renown Electronic has is based solely on their first album. That speaks volumes. The eponymous album from 1991 is indeed one of the best albums of 1990s, and I remember at the time of its release it got a lot of flattering reviews.
Later on they slided into a European nightmare.
Indeed 5 stars in Q if I remember rightly.
Irrespective, I remember as a heady 17-year-old listening to this on my Walkman, by a pool, with a beer in hand, in Magaluff, surrounded by my mates and a gaggle of topless girls, and thinking that life was good.
Life was good, and this album was the soundtrack to it all.
'Tis the dog's testicles in my book.
To not have new order in the list is just plain daft.
its all a matter of taste though
but no stranglers ??? the fall ??
still,i like electronics second album as much has the first yet i take it most people dont agree so there you go 
