Could Joy Division be given the 'Beatles Love' treatment? — Forum Archive

23 Dec 2008, 14:59

Does anyone think that that the music of Joy Division could be made into a Beatles Love type album? Remixing is not something we like to talk about but I personally think that segueing the tracks together and overlaying different sounds and textures would work pretty well.

We've heard in the Hannett tapes that there's some interesting recordings still around and it would be fascinating to hear the tracks broken down into individual elements.

Is this sacrilege or would you welcome a new interpretation?

23 Dec 2008, 15:07

NO

23 Dec 2008, 15:13

Ha! That's fairly conclusive. :)

Remember I'm not talking Jive Bunny here but a respectful reinterpretation. I guess the difference is that Ian, Martin, Rob and Tony aren't around now who would no doubt have strong opinions of their own.

23 Dec 2008, 16:36

Welcome Jeremy.

23 Dec 2008, 16:59

That is path best left unturned.

23 Dec 2008, 22:58

the love album is not remixing as such, it is re-arranging, it was engineered/produced by George Martins son with guidance by George Martin and the remaining beatles, Yoko and Olivia Harrison, so almost everyone involved in the original was involved in the love project. That could not be the case with JD, I do think the love album is a fantastic achievement, but i don't think it would work with JD, the vocals wouldn't lend themselves to acappella for a start.

interesting thought though, ad welcome to the jungle.

24 Dec 2008, 00:59

No - don't forget that the 'Hannett tapes' as you called them are FAKE. The second double CD consists of recently tampered with and created recordings. Most of it has nothing to do with Hannett or JD.

24 Dec 2008, 03:23

I think the Joy Division legacy - for a band that only released two studio albums - has already been over mined for "new" releases. The 1997 box set was all fans really needed and the individual album reissues last year were expected... but anything else is excessively cynical money making. The majority of hardcore fans are smart enough to trade gigs between each other under the radar and that commonly available "Warsaw" bootleg mopped up the pre-Factory recordings.

What else is left? Not much.

The two live albums that were released in the late nineties (Preston & Les Bains) were a nice peek into the band's live format for the uninitiated and worthwhile in their own way but then you have absolute bilge such as Interstate's attempts at repackaging Hannett's cast offs.

There is also the argument that if the band and the official label (Warners) themselves cannot even handle simple NO album reissues without shockingly below par sound quality in places then a complex project such as this is clearly well beyond them and would be done badly. Sad but true.

To reference another Beatles album "Let It Be" :nod:

24 Dec 2008, 14:34

If there will be no new material from the band, instead of re-releases and compilations of songs we have 50 copies of on CD, what would be so bad about a remix CD? I'd welcome it personally, providing the mixes are all new.

24 Dec 2008, 18:15

I would only be into it if Hannett and Gretton were involved.

so, maybe in heaven, we can hear it....

25 Dec 2008, 11:46

Love is essentially a mash-up album, taking pieces from different Beatles songs and rearranging them. It works in theory because they recorded such a broad range of material during their seven years - it is a HUGE leap from I Wanna Hold Your Hand to Hey Jude (or even Revolution #9). Joy Division's sound was so focused, and their recorded output so small, that there's just not enough material to work with for a project like that.

Not that it should ever be attempted, anyway.

The only sort of Joy Division "remixes" I would ever want to hear would be extended versions of songs cut together using the original multitrack recordings, and that'll never happen.

28 Dec 2008, 03:43

I agree with Ally on this. JD's been done to death and I reckon the H+S set is all you need and more.

30 Dec 2008, 14:05

Heck, let's do it - I've already had a go at this. You can listen to a 16 minute piece I created via my blog.

Joy Division - Chilling

If this breaks a forum rule let me know and I'll delete it.

30 Dec 2008, 15:32

Fair play to you for putting this up

31 Dec 2008, 00:59

Not bad. Normally I would be completely against remixes, but for some reason in the last couple months I have started to enjoy them... maybe tired of hearing all the same songs over and over? Remixes would be good... but in a tasteful way that compliments the songs. I find each year I listen less and less to JD... would be nice for soemtnning to come around to rekindle my desire to listen to them again....

A possibility I would like to see is an album of covers of JD songs, but from well known artists having NIN and such on it.

31 Dec 2008, 02:17

The whole Joy Division mystique, is in those two albums, Closer and Unknown Pleasures. To try and recreate these songs, would take alot of Gaul. Let's be honest here, I can't picture songs like Disorder mismatched and re-arranged. Unlike New Order, Joy Division songs were straight forward live, without many re-recordings.The Latter had the time, and catalogue to make their wildest imaginings come true. Therefore I think it would fail. Massively so.

26 May 2011, 04:01

A long time lurker and (very) occasional poster... :)

Some of you may remember this thread from way back where I touted the idea of reworking Joy Division sounds in new ways.

If you didn't hear my original attempt of a Beatles' Love-esque mix it's now available on YouTube in two parts with the second bit slightly updated from what was upped before.

I know you shouldn't really tamper with these things but I think the echo on Atmosphere is quite interesting.

Joy Division - Chilling (Part 1) Joy Division - Chilling (Part 2)

26 May 2011, 11:55

michael preda wrote: To try and recreate these songs, would take alot of Gaul.

Why bring the French into this?

26 May 2011, 12:12

No of course not.

What Joy Division are simply desperately crying out for is a whole album of remixes by Sly And Robbie.

With additional toasting by Astro from UB40.

:evil4: :evil4: :evil4: :evil4: :evil4:

26 May 2011, 12:14

£50 Note wrote: Love is essentially a mash-up album, taking pieces from different Beatles songs and rearranging them. It works in theory because they recorded such a broad range of material during their seven years - it is a HUGE leap from I Wanna Hold Your Hand to Hey Jude (or even Revolution #9). Joy Division's sound was so focused, and their recorded output so small, that there's just not enough material to work with for a project like that.

Not that it should ever be attempted, anyway.

The only sort of Joy Division "remixes" I would ever want to hear would be extended versions of songs cut together using the original multitrack recordings, and that'll never happen.

Well, I've done a mash up of Bizarre Love Triangle and the Other Two's Tasty Fish.

:shades: :nod: :p

26 May 2011, 12:16

Sounds fine, not something I'd personally bother buying but stick a black and white picture on the front of it and a few quotes from a Factory person and some frigger probably would.