What's your favourite new order live tv performance? + are New Order millionaires? — Forum Archive

14 Mar 2009, 18:13

Mine has got to be any one of those tv performances of `thieves like us' from 1984. Do you get the idea they really tried to push that single? It's quite a lot of promo performances compared to blue monday or temptation.

But I love it so much! That's the purest live new order for me right there...

Do you think they will ever release a compilation of their best tv stuff?

Also, my step-dad reckons New Order must be millionaires or at least close but I like the romantic idea of them not having that much money (in the 80s, at least) and spending most of their profits on the hacienda. But since they re-signed with London in 1993, they must have negotiated a very good deal with them.....they would of had their pick of labels.... Think of all the millenianl interest since in Joy Division and New Order. They probably won't stop selling records for a hundred years or more.

So they must be minted, no? OR, as I was also thinking, do they still owe loads of money from the hac days and are still paying it back?

What do you think?

14 Mar 2009, 18:34

Ermmm didnt know there were that many performances of TLU about, but it did follow on from Blue Monday, which zoomed up and down the charts for a year or so around Confusion, so perhaps the TV programme demand/interest was high.

My fave TV live performance is Sunrise at the Hac from the Old Grey Whistle Test, especially the crowd reaction.

But the Studio 54 vids of Hurt and Ceremony are also tops.

As for NO being millionaires, I suspect they have been a few times in the past, and possibly are now. I don't think that any of them would regard themselves as financially comfortable for life, which is good for us fans.

I doubt they are paying off debts due to limited companies etc.

14 Mar 2009, 18:36

celebration 81

14 Mar 2009, 19:19

World, Ruined in A Day, and Regret on TOTP. Minus the hasslehoff "version" on Regret.

14 Mar 2009, 19:37

I quite like the Hasselhoff performance of Regret, for the sheer joke that it is.

As for performance, I was at Jimmy Kimmel in 2005, so I obviously have to take that. LWTUA was a good time, as was Temptation which was played off air. Solid night!!

14 Mar 2009, 20:17

Regret on TOTP in 1993, on the beach... That was such a cool idea. That was a big shit to all these indie hipsters and grunge kids. Loved it!!!

14 Mar 2009, 20:52

Age Of Consent (Switch 1983)
Don't know

15 Mar 2009, 02:55

Back in 96 NO were top of a list of indie breadheads (10 million quid), second only to the Pets (18 million)! I think I read that in Select or Q or summet.

15 Mar 2009, 16:45

Personal fave is the 'Saturday live' from 1984,absolute TV gold,followed by TOGWT from the Hac '85. Well,Hooky lives in Alderley Edge in Cheshire,a place not short of millionaire footballers....I'm not saying he is,but.....

&,Barney has a yacht and Steve a tank.And a farmhouse/own studio,so........ :shades:

15 Mar 2009, 17:16

I would be surprised if New Order aren't millionaires at least ten times over each no matter how much they crow on about the Factory losses :smoking:

It's easy to see where the occasional bitterness of Barney and Hooky comes from towards their former label because if things had been handled "properly" they no doubt would've walked away with at least twice what they have today financially. Still (and to echo Pete Tong) the whole NewOrderStory wouldn't have been half the fun nor featured half the innovation if a traditional major label had been at the heart of things... even if lots and lots of money was unnecessarily hosed up the wall in the process. I think that in fairness even they've acknowledged they were allowed to get away with more than your average band and they knew it.

I have a copy of Bass player magazine from (maybe?) two years ago with Hooky looking like he resides in a mini castle in Cheshire... hardly the sign of a part-time millionaire... he has the royalties in place to keep things going and why not, he's obviously earned it after 30 years :nod: It's also common knowledge Barney has his yacht "hobby" so I'd take any money moans they express with a pinch of salt... to your average person in the street they are properly minted and have been for some time.

When you add Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, Monaco and Other Two recording and touring royalties together you'd have gotten a fair old whack ten years ago let alone these days.

Plus and more pertinently every time a New Order penned hit is played on the radio = £££

16 Mar 2009, 03:31

BLT, on some French prog or other with a brief snippet of an interview with Barn/Hook at the end.

Everything on 'Big World Cafe', 89

True Faith on TOTP 87

WIM 90

The award ceremony where Hooky opens with 'fook me am famous', circa 2005.

Yes they are millionaires and they themselves wish they had sold out more, and quite rightly so. But come on Hooky, Cheshire???? FFS have some imagination man!!!

Factory mostly was fairly unspectacular. Joy Division, NO and Happy Mondays all good but the rest is fairly forgettable (ACR, Northside etc.. plus, how could AHW omit to sign the Smiths and the Roses?)

16 Mar 2009, 04:16

Ravi Kumar wrote: plus, how could AHW omit to sign the Smiths and the Roses?

AHW didn't really have much choice in the matter with those two bands.

The Roses for one were managed by a bloke who ran a club that was in direct competition with the Hacienda so there was little chance he would've allowed his band to go with Factory. Similarly with The Smiths... they decided early on that Factory wasn't for them; I believe Marr wasn't a fan of the label's "cold" image.

At the time I'm sure Factory were clambering to get both bands on board but the musicians and their management ultimately decide who ends up releasing their most precious commodity... the musak.

Ravi Kumar wrote: Cheshire???? FFS have some imagination man!!!

Well considering he's written some of the best pop songs from the last 30 years I would wager he has a slightly better imagination that you, Andy.