NewOrderStory
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yes, entertaining, esp. now that the full version is available in the US (the original was edited down alt for American consumption, for some reason)
Yes, I think every New Order fan should own it. I've got it on video and used to watch it loads. Been meaning to get it on DVD but never got round to it. It's got interviews with all the key players - bit mad how it's filmed though, it's like a Quiz show.
It's great, aye. Originally broadcast on the South Bank Show,ITV the night New Order played Reading 93. Set my video to record it as i was at the gig but distraught when we got home on the Monday to discover the channel had somehow gone out of tune and all i could make out was a fuzzy black and white picture. Had to wait for the later video release to see it properly. Good narration by the American woman too, forget her name.
"Because they cared.Because they couldn't care less" Always thought that was one of the best descriptions of the band ever
johnny wrote:
Good narration by the American woman too, forget her name.
Jenny Seagrove - who is as English as tea and scones!
I never had a taste for Paul Morley's completely overdone, pretentious narratives (i.e. I can't stand that he's been picked to do the liner notes for so many compilations and box sets). If you can overlook all of that nonsense, the interview portions are really good - minus Bono getting the lyric to LWTUA wrong, which he should be very embarrassed about. He should have been left on the cutting room floor.
It's very entertaining, I would definitely recommend it. Didn't know there was another version of it though. Is the disc that came in the 'Item' box edited or not? If it is the uncut version, I might actually have to take the shrinkwrap of it :) and watch it.
I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...
Geri wrote: It's very entertaining, I would definitely recommend it. Didn't know there was another version of it though. Is the disc that came in the 'Item' box edited or not? If it is the uncut version, I might actually have to take the shrinkwrap of it :) and watch it.
the uncut version is clocking at 140'
£50 Note wrote: I never had a taste for Paul Morley's completely overdone, pretentious narratives (i.e. I can't stand that he's been picked to do the liner notes for so many compilations and box sets). If you can overlook all of that nonsense, the interview portions are really good - minus Bono getting the lyric to LWTUA wrong, which he should be very embarrassed about. He should have been left on the cutting room floor.
I quite agree with ya. The narrative in the film is f***ing awful. Fast forwarding to the interviews makes it much better, but what alot of wasted space that gagbag's narrative takes. 
I think you have to bear the historical and geographical context in mind when watching it. Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now. Access to footage of the band and management was not as easy to come by as it is today (footage of Tony Wilson was hard to avoid, but seeing him without his flash suit (literally) was quite a refreshing change). The geographical thing - that Manchester should produce something that was completely un-Mancunian, simultaneously so intellectually overblown and kitsch, professionally-produced and amateurish, guarded and warts-and-all - was 100% Factory praxis. It feels like what it probably was: a loose collection of ideas made into a film. There's a lot of in-jokes in the film too (Factory films are full of them), bear this in mind when you come across anything that jars or doesn't make sense (if you're that bothered).
I don't think, to be honest, it was ever intended to be accurate, informative or watched more than once. But fans will be fans.
Diamond 383 wrote: I think you have to bear the historical and geographical context in mind when watching it. Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now. Access to footage of the band and management was not as easy to come by as it is today (footage of Tony Wilson was hard to avoid, but seeing him without his flash suit (literally) was quite a refreshing change). The geographical thing - that Manchester should produce something that was completely un-Mancunian, simultaneously so intellectually overblown and kitsch, professionally-produced and amateurish, guarded and warts-and-all - was 100% Factory praxis. It feels like what it probably was: a loose collection of ideas made into a film. There's a lot of in-jokes in the film too (Factory films are full of them), bear this in mind when you come across anything that jars or doesn't make sense (if you're that bothered).
I don't think, to be honest, it was ever intended to be accurate, informative or watched more than once. But fans will be fans.
Hungover, Col?
Diamond 383 wrote: Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now.
Disagree.
Anything post-Rattle & Hum is full of it's own self-importance. His bits would have been filmed in '93, coming two years after Achtung Baby when U2 were touring stadiums and Bono thought the whole Mephisto bit was being funny and ironic. Maybe he's to blame for irony becoming the norm in the late '90s/early 00's. I think he was entirely overexposed at the time, but he was used because Quincy Jones let slip that Bono was a fan, and U2 had worked with Martin Hannett because of his work with Joy Division.
Anyway, yeah, his getting the lyrics wrong should have been cut. It's painful.
It's all relative, Fiddy. I didn't for one second mean that Bongo wasn't an annoying little prick back then, just that he wasn't as annoying as he is now.
I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Diamond 383 wrote: It's all relative, Fiddy. I didn't for one second mean that Bongo wasn't an annoying little prick back then, just that he wasn't as annoying as he is now.
I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Hmmmm. I think Bongo reached the zenith of his annoyingness around then. U2 'get' postmodernism a good two decades too late. Nice one, lads.
I still think "Zooropa" is the best thing they ever did, mind.
I bow down to my learned friends, who clearly know more about the history of U2 than any decent person would admit to.
Rather than this becoming an argument about the most annoying Bongo period, I shall retract my statement and replace it with the following...
Bongo, the irritating bastard, was popping up in all sorts of inappropriate places at the time. The photography and editing style suggest to me that it was produced by his own 'people', perhaps in the middle of making an annoying video for him. Certainly, the style is in common with a lot of his intrusive and pointless appearances on otherwise brilliant films of the period, and nothing like anything else in NewOrderStory. His inclusion here was doubtless a Factory joke. Intentional or not, it's certainly funny to see Bongo drunkenly implying that he is the best singer in the world and faux-graciously admitting that he owes his position to the death of Ian Curtis; a point which he underlines by slurring the wrong words to a JD number in his big daft glasses.
Diamond 383 wrote: I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
"NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!" 
And, erm, yeah...I should probably be embarrassed about knowing so much of U2's history.
Diamond 383 wrote: I bow down to my learned friends, who clearly know more about the history of U2 than any decent person would admit to.
Rather than this becoming an argument about the most annoying Bongo period, I shall retract my statement and replace it with the following...
Bongo, the irritating bastard, was popping up in all sorts of inappropriate places at the time. The photography and editing style suggest to me that it was produced by his own 'people', perhaps in the middle of making an annoying video for him. Certainly, the style is in common with a lot of his intrusive and pointless appearances on otherwise brilliant films of the period, and nothing like anything else in NewOrderStory. His inclusion here was doubtless a Factory joke. Intentional or not, it's certainly funny to see Bongo drunkenly implying that he is the best singer in the world and faux-graciously admitting that he owes his position to the death of Ian Curtis; a point which he underlines by slurring the wrong words to a JD number in his big daft glasses. The stupid fucking cunt.
I enjoyed that, Col. A fair and balanced appraisal. Just thought there was a bit missing at then end. Hope you don't mind?
PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Hope you don't mind?
Mind?
MIND?
There's just no way that I can convey to you how close I was to putting those VERY words at the end. I typed them in and deleted them a few times before I decided that I enjoyed the tension that is created by their omission (which, of course, I accentuated by the use of an unstressed syllable).
They just BELONG there, don't they!
Diamond 383 wrote: I bow down to my learned friends, who clearly know more about the history of U2 than any decent person would admit to.
Rather than this becoming an argument about the most annoying Bongo period, I shall retract my statement and replace it with the following...
Bongo, the irritating bastard, was popping up in all sorts of inappropriate places at the time. The photography and editing style suggest to me that it was produced by his own 'people', perhaps in the middle of making an annoying video for him. Certainly, the style is in common with a lot of his intrusive and pointless appearances on otherwise brilliant films of the period, and nothing like anything else in NewOrderStory. His inclusion here was doubtless a Factory joke. Intentional or not, it's certainly funny to see Bongo drunkenly implying that he is the best singer in the world and faux-graciously admitting that he owes his position to the death of Ian Curtis; a point which he underlines by slurring the wrong words to a JD number in his big daft glasses.
Personally speaking, the narrative was full of the inuendos and cliche's that Wilson and Morley so often filled us with. Love it or Loathe it twas very entertaining. Best part of the documentary was the drunken interview with the band members, dunno how much of that was recorded, but I coulda watched stuff like that for the 2 and a half hours, Steve reminsing about the Hac was fantastic and the story of Ian in the car after the Hope & Anchor. That's why I loved the Grant Gee JD doc and the Shadowplayers DVD, full of classic interviews 
Bono's shades, Tony's coat, inside jokes. All part of the fun. The early performance of temptation is great as well. But that woman voice is truly unpleasant.
who's the laziest member of the group?
'New Order Play at Home' is better.
McGuirk wrote: What is the "Ian in the car" story? I would like to hear it.
Definitely not funny in written word, but it is when you watch the DVD. It's the story of Ian taking his first fit and how Steve was more interested in fags than Ian's situation.
The DVD can be picked up on Ebay these days for feck all, so there's nae excuse not to get it
Can't remember much about Morley being in it apart from asking a few questions here and there and being in the "NO Show" audience
Then again i haven't watched it for years. I actually liked the Jenny Seagrove (thanks Old Blue)talking.
As for Bongo, i always found his appearance at Live Aid, Wembley in 1985 his most irritating moment. More infuriating was my girlfriend of the time raving on in the pub that night about great Bongo had been that day 
johnny wrote: Can't remember much about Morley being in it apart from asking a few questions here and there and being in the "NO Show" audience
Morley produced it and wrote all of Seagrove's narration.
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Depends on what you got already... :D
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Tavaras Shevechenko 1981 which is luckily a part of the bonus section of the Reading 98 DVD which is also a must have.
Pumped Full Of Drugs 1985.
Look around on Youtube for Neworder - you'll find loads of stuff there, then you can search for the stuff you wish to buy yourself.
Bere wrote:
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Depends on what you got already... :D
Not much.:(
ShugZV wrote:
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Tavaras Shevechenko 1981 which is luckily a part of the bonus section of the Reading 98 DVD which is also a must have.
Pumped Full Of Drugs 1985.
Look around on Youtube for Neworder - you'll find loads of stuff there, then you can search for the stuff you wish to buy yourself.
Thanks! I've looked on Youtube just about everyday! So much stuff to watch...
ShugZV wrote:
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Pumped Full Of Drugs 1985.
Where can I get that?
The Village wrote:
ShugZV wrote:
The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)
Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?
Pumped Full Of Drugs 1985.
Where can I get that?
Japanese import :
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COBY-91044
I have it thanks to one of the lads on here.
Cheers Col
PFD is a terrible gig. Best title for a concert recording EVER though
EDIT: You're better off buying the Japanese DVD than a 2nd hand VHS. The quality is awful on the VHS. Order the DVD from HMV.jp, the service is really good.
But you probably know that.
Diamond 383 wrote: PFD is a terrible gig. Best title for a concert recording EVER though
EDIT: You're better off buying the Japanese DVD than a 2nd hand VHS. The quality is awful on the VHS. Order the DVD from HMV.jp, the service is really good.
But you probably know that.
eye, everything just sounds shit, isn't this when hooky was using the boss chorus pedal????
Diamond 383 wrote: Can't imagine what any of them were using
I think the show's great, shows up loadsa frailties they had when they played live, that always made it exciting for little old me. Plus you see a couple of early versions of songs.
Cannae see it - Youtube and other streaming sites are blocked at work.
Gies a clue.
Is it good or bad?
Diamond 383 wrote: Look what a difference 20 years makes...
Bad or good?
I have to say...I think I like the first one a little more. Played both at the same time...
Diamond 383 wrote: Look what a difference 20 years makes...
I forgot how perfect Gillan's transformation into a male was... How long did that hormone treatment take? 
ShugZV wrote: Cannae see it - Youtube and other streaming sites are blocked at work.
Gies a clue.
Is it good or bad?
Love Vigilantes on PFD 85 and Glastonbury 05.
Both have a certain appeal, but I think PFD edges it.
oooh PFD without a doubt! classic New Order. Get this DVD now! the performance of 'sunrise' is essential viewing.
DOWN!
The Village wrote: So where do I get it?
Normally Amazon or HMV ,the Japanese sites. If you are quick someone is selling one on Ebay.And it's cheap on a buy it now. :)
Ger Boy wrote:
The Village wrote: So where do I get it?
Normally Amazon or HMV ,the Japanese sites. If you are quick someone is selling one on Ebay.And it's cheap on a buy it now. :)
Can you post links?
Diamond 383 wrote:
ShugZV wrote: Cannae see it - Youtube and other streaming sites are blocked at work.
Gies a clue.
Is it good or bad?
Love Vigilantes on PFD 85 and Glastonbury 05.
Both have a certain appeal, but I think PFD edges it.
Definitely PFD for me mate, as I say the performance had an edge about it, particularly when Barney takes the huff a bit on Sunrise. Confusion is particularly good an all. The tours in 2005 were good, but the dodginess had been replaced by them pretending to be professional
Old Blue wrote:
johnny wrote:
Good narration by the American woman too, forget her name.
Jenny Seagrove - who is as English as tea and scones!
He didn't deserve that Clive! lol
Now all I need is Pumped Full Of Drugs and I'll be set for... a little while.:D
Going to watch 511 on my projector today. It's awesome watching NO on the big screen.
Great doc. The interviews were great...hooky with a bunch of drag queens, Bernard getting a haircut....
The best was when bernard yells out at Tony Wilson... "You RUINED MY CAREER..." followed by Hooky giving wilson a peck on the cheek.....Classic !!!!
N.
If anyone in the Manchester area wants NewOrderStory then go to Fopp, it was only £3 the other day and there were a few left.
The Village wrote: I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...
The closing credits?
In the original version shown on ITV, the closing credits were accompanied by the Perfecto remix of World, which at the time had, if memory serves me right, just been released as a single in Britain.
However, the DVD version ends with something else entirely, a JD track from memory methinks.
Saying that though, the DVD version varies considerably from the original TV version insofar as all(?) the single releases are played on full.
BEST BIT OF NOS?
Has to be Bernard's finger pointing "You ruined my career" stab at Tony Wilson, but there is also the following from the mock quiz:
Keith Allen: "What's Tony Wilson's occupation?" Peter Hook(?): "Twat."
OTHER DVDs?
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Why a 'double'? The drunken band interview featured in NOS was filemed whilst NO were in Montreux playing the festival, so this concert complements NOS perfectly.
The gig itself is low key, but the performance is tight, the production is polished and Bernard's voice in fine fettle. There are some superb performances, particularly "Regret", "Everyone Everywhere" and "Temptation".
The Montreux appearance also came just before the famous Reading triumph, so we have a band at the top of its game. In fact they are magnificent, and Bernard looks especially fooking cool. I had my hair styled like Bernard's at the time, and the girls fooking loved it.
Which makes it all the so depressing. It just leaves you left wondering what they would have achieved if they hadn't fallen out and remained together throughut the 90s.
Here was a band that was ready to take on the world, but instead went home and didn't talk to each other for five years.
Re. Montreux Jazz Festival
The concert was orginally aired on MTV.
TEMPTATION
EVERYONE EVERYWHERE
The Village wrote: I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...
The other DVD was New Order Item.
The Village wrote:
The Village wrote: I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...The other DVD was New Order Item.
Which is the one I bought. I'm glad I did.
Still looking for PFOD...Missed the ebay one...:(
noorder wrote:
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Did I miss something?? Where can you get this??
M1 wrote:
noorder wrote:
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Did I miss something?? Where can you get this??
Isn't there a bit of this on NewOrderStory?
M1 wrote:
noorder wrote:
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Did I miss something?? Where can you get this??
I've seen it knocking about the interweb. Unless it's a pirate.
I've got the gig on tape from when it was originally shown on MTV, but the quality is now shite.
noorder wrote:
M1 wrote:
noorder wrote:
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Did I miss something?? Where can you get this??
I've seen it knocking about the interweb. Unless it's a pirate.
I've got the gig on tape from when it was originally shown on MTV, but the quality is now shite.
That gig was in its entirely on you tube before but Mtv pulled it off.
I have the whole Montreux concert on VHS. I taped it from MTV back in 1993. It is a pretty long one, but it shows.
I always wanted to cut out the commercials on that tape, but never made it to do so actually...
Luke wrote: I have the whole Montreux concert on VHS. I taped it from MTV back in 1993. It is a pretty long one, but it shows.
I always wanted to cut out the commercials on that tape, but never made it to do so actually...
If anyone knows of a reliable web link I'd muchly appreciate a PM. I have seen some inactive torrents...
noorder wrote:
The Village wrote: I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...The closing credits?
In the original version shown on ITV, the closing credits were accompanied by the Perfecto remix of World, which at the time had, if memory serves me right, just been released as a single in Britain.
However, the DVD version ends with something else entirely, a JD track from memory methinks.
Saying that though, the DVD version varies considerably from the original TV version insofar as all(?) the single releases are played on full.
BEST BIT OF NOS?
Has to be Bernard's finger pointing "You ruined my career" stab at Tony Wilson, but there is also the following from the mock quiz:
Keith Allen: "What's Tony Wilson's occupation?" Peter Hook(?): "Twat."
OTHER DVDs?
Go for the 'double' and purchase the "Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival" DVD.
Why a 'double'? The drunken band interview featured in NOS was filemed whilst NO were in Montreux playing the festival, so this concert complements NOS perfectly.
The gig itself is low key, but the performance is tight, the production is polished and Bernard's voice in fine fettle. There are some superb performances, particularly "Regret", "Everyone Everywhere" and "Temptation".
The Montreux appearance also came just before the famous Reading triumph, so we have a band at the top of its game. In fact they are magnificent, and Bernard looks especially fooking cool. I had my hair styled like Bernard's at the time, and the girls fooking loved it.
Which makes it all the so depressing. It just leaves you left wondering what they would have achieved if they hadn't fallen out and remained together throughut the 90s.
Here was a band that was ready to take on the world, but instead went home and didn't talk to each other for five years.
There is a different edit on the monreeux jazz fest if memory serves me right,inc extra tracks.
A few of the lads on here have copies ;)
The Village wrote: Won Pumped Full of Drugs off Ebay the other day! Can't wait to watch it!
My GF bought it for me from a Japanese website a couple of years ago for my birthday - one of the best presents I've ever been given.
Even if I did have a copy on VHS that I'd recorded about 20 years earlier from a TV show. ;)
The Village wrote: Won Pumped Full of Drugs off Ebay the other day! Can't wait to watch it!
got the bootlegs for both shows, if your arsed about them
PFD came yesterday. I'm going to try to watch it today on my projector. New Order on the big screen!:D
Watched PFD on the big screen the other day. It was good. I'm also going to try to watch Control soon. What did you guys think of it?
Contol is beautifully done, but it certainly puts all the focus on Ian. I'd recommend watching it with Grant Gee's excellent documentary Joy Division, so you get both sides of the story.
£50 Note wrote: Contol is beautifully done, but it certainly puts all the focus on Ian. I'd recommend watching it with Grant Gee's excellent documentary Joy Division, so you get both sides of the sotry.
I've already seen the JD documentary. It was great. When I got Control I watched the first few minutes of it. It looks like it's going to be really good. I got it for only $7.99!
This is exactly how I did it. Control is a wonderful film but the JD doc gives you more of a feel for the whole story.
For me, Control is a movie for music fans and not the wider audience. Unless you were partly or fully aware of the story prior to watching the film then you will have struggled following it.
Nonetheless, it was beautifully filmed, and that Riley fella was very good as Curtis.
