NewOrderStory

I'm thinking about getting this. Do you guys like it?

yes, entertaining, esp. now that the full version is available in the US (the original was edited down alt for American consumption, for some reason)

Yes, I think every New Order fan should own it. I've got it on video and used to watch it loads. Been meaning to get it on DVD but never got round to it. It's got interviews with all the key players - bit mad how it's filmed though, it's like a Quiz show.

It's great, aye. Originally broadcast on the South Bank Show,ITV the night New Order played Reading 93. Set my video to record it as i was at the gig but distraught when we got home on the Monday to discover the channel had somehow gone out of tune and all i could make out was a fuzzy black and white picture. Had to wait for the later video release to see it properly. Good narration by the American woman too, forget her name.

"Because they cared.Because they couldn't care less" Always thought that was one of the best descriptions of the band ever

johnny wrote:

Good narration by the American woman too, forget her name.

Jenny Seagrove - who is as English as tea and scones!

I never had a taste for Paul Morley's completely overdone, pretentious narratives (i.e. I can't stand that he's been picked to do the liner notes for so many compilations and box sets). If you can overlook all of that nonsense, the interview portions are really good - minus Bono getting the lyric to LWTUA wrong, which he should be very embarrassed about. He should have been left on the cutting room floor.

It's very entertaining, I would definitely recommend it. Didn't know there was another version of it though. Is the disc that came in the 'Item' box edited or not? If it is the uncut version, I might actually have to take the shrinkwrap of it :) and watch it.

I saw two different DVDs of this today.
I forget what the difference was. I'll have to go back and look at them...

Geri wrote: It's very entertaining, I would definitely recommend it. Didn't know there was another version of it though. Is the disc that came in the 'Item' box edited or not? If it is the uncut version, I might actually have to take the shrinkwrap of it :) and watch it.

the uncut version is clocking at 140'

£50 Note wrote: I never had a taste for Paul Morley's completely overdone, pretentious narratives (i.e. I can't stand that he's been picked to do the liner notes for so many compilations and box sets). If you can overlook all of that nonsense, the interview portions are really good - minus Bono getting the lyric to LWTUA wrong, which he should be very embarrassed about. He should have been left on the cutting room floor.

I quite agree with ya. The narrative in the film is f***ing awful. Fast forwarding to the interviews makes it much better, but what alot of wasted space that gagbag's narrative takes.

I think you have to bear the historical and geographical context in mind when watching it. Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now. Access to footage of the band and management was not as easy to come by as it is today (footage of Tony Wilson was hard to avoid, but seeing him without his flash suit (literally) was quite a refreshing change). The geographical thing - that Manchester should produce something that was completely un-Mancunian, simultaneously so intellectually overblown and kitsch, professionally-produced and amateurish, guarded and warts-and-all - was 100% Factory praxis. It feels like what it probably was: a loose collection of ideas made into a film. There's a lot of in-jokes in the film too (Factory films are full of them), bear this in mind when you come across anything that jars or doesn't make sense (if you're that bothered).

I don't think, to be honest, it was ever intended to be accurate, informative or watched more than once. But fans will be fans.

Diamond 383 wrote: I think you have to bear the historical and geographical context in mind when watching it. Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now. Access to footage of the band and management was not as easy to come by as it is today (footage of Tony Wilson was hard to avoid, but seeing him without his flash suit (literally) was quite a refreshing change). The geographical thing - that Manchester should produce something that was completely un-Mancunian, simultaneously so intellectually overblown and kitsch, professionally-produced and amateurish, guarded and warts-and-all - was 100% Factory praxis. It feels like what it probably was: a loose collection of ideas made into a film. There's a lot of in-jokes in the film too (Factory films are full of them), bear this in mind when you come across anything that jars or doesn't make sense (if you're that bothered).

I don't think, to be honest, it was ever intended to be accurate, informative or watched more than once. But fans will be fans.

Hungover, Col?

Not yet. Why?

Diamond 383 wrote: Bongo, for example, was nothing like the, err, phenomena he is today, so it wouldn't have been so irritating that he pops up to give his point of view and his avant garde posturing didn't seem as posed as it would do now.

Disagree.

Anything post-Rattle & Hum is full of it's own self-importance. His bits would have been filmed in '93, coming two years after Achtung Baby when U2 were touring stadiums and Bono thought the whole Mephisto bit was being funny and ironic. Maybe he's to blame for irony becoming the norm in the late '90s/early 00's. I think he was entirely overexposed at the time, but he was used because Quincy Jones let slip that Bono was a fan, and U2 had worked with Martin Hannett because of his work with Joy Division.

Anyway, yeah, his getting the lyrics wrong should have been cut. It's painful.

It's all relative, Fiddy. I didn't for one second mean that Bongo wasn't an annoying little prick back then, just that he wasn't as annoying as he is now.

I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Diamond 383 wrote: It's all relative, Fiddy. I didn't for one second mean that Bongo wasn't an annoying little prick back then, just that he wasn't as annoying as he is now.

I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Hmmmm. I think Bongo reached the zenith of his annoyingness around then. U2 'get' postmodernism a good two decades too late. Nice one, lads.

I still think "Zooropa" is the best thing they ever did, mind.

I bow down to my learned friends, who clearly know more about the history of U2 than any decent person would admit to.

Rather than this becoming an argument about the most annoying Bongo period, I shall retract my statement and replace it with the following...

Bongo, the irritating bastard, was popping up in all sorts of inappropriate places at the time. The photography and editing style suggest to me that it was produced by his own 'people', perhaps in the middle of making an annoying video for him. Certainly, the style is in common with a lot of his intrusive and pointless appearances on otherwise brilliant films of the period, and nothing like anything else in NewOrderStory. His inclusion here was doubtless a Factory joke. Intentional or not, it's certainly funny to see Bongo drunkenly implying that he is the best singer in the world and faux-graciously admitting that he owes his position to the death of Ian Curtis; a point which he underlines by slurring the wrong words to a JD number in his big daft glasses.

Diamond 383 wrote: I was only making a point, anyway. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

"NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!"

And, erm, yeah...I should probably be embarrassed about knowing so much of U2's history.

Diamond 383 wrote: I bow down to my learned friends, who clearly know more about the history of U2 than any decent person would admit to.

Rather than this becoming an argument about the most annoying Bongo period, I shall retract my statement and replace it with the following...

Bongo, the irritating bastard, was popping up in all sorts of inappropriate places at the time. The photography and editing style suggest to me that it was produced by his own 'people', perhaps in the middle of making an annoying video for him. Certainly, the style is in common with a lot of his intrusive and pointless appearances on otherwise brilliant films of the period, and nothing like anything else in NewOrderStory. His inclusion here was doubtless a Factory joke. Intentional or not, it's certainly funny to see Bongo drunkenly implying that he is the best singer in the world and faux-graciously admitting that he owes his position to the death of Ian Curtis; a point which he underlines by slurring the wrong words to a JD number in his big daft glasses. The stupid fucking cunt.

I enjoyed that, Col. A fair and balanced appraisal. Just thought there was a bit missing at then end. Hope you don't mind?

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: Hope you don't mind?

Mind?

MIND?

There's just no way that I can convey to you how close I was to putting those VERY words at the end. I typed them in and deleted them a few times before I decided that I enjoyed the tension that is created by their omission (which, of course, I accentuated by the use of an unstressed syllable).

They just BELONG there, don't they!

Ace performance of Temptation, and Everyone Everywhere on the DVD as well.

Bono's shades, Tony's coat, inside jokes. All part of the fun. The early performance of temptation is great as well. But that woman voice is truly unpleasant.

who's the laziest member of the group?

'New Order Play at Home' is better.

What is the "Ian in the car" story? I would like to hear it.

Can't remember much about Morley being in it apart from asking a few questions here and there and being in the "NO Show" audience Then again i haven't watched it for years. I actually liked the Jenny Seagrove (thanks Old Blue)talking. As for Bongo, i always found his appearance at Live Aid, Wembley in 1985 his most irritating moment. More infuriating was my girlfriend of the time raving on in the pub that night about great Bongo had been that day

johnny wrote: Can't remember much about Morley being in it apart from asking a few questions here and there and being in the "NO Show" audience Then again i haven't watched it for years. I actually liked the Jenny Seagrove (thanks Old Blue)talking.]

Morley produced it and wrote all of Seagrove's narration.

Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)

Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?

The Village wrote: Amazon.com has it. I think I'll just order it.:)

Any other MUST HAVES for NO fans?

Depends on what you got already... :D