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Received the Bad Lieutenant album, ‘Never Cry Another Tear’, on Saturday but it’s really struggling to grab my attention in any meaningful way. In terms of New Order offshoots, it’s more Electronic than Monaco, but I wouldn’t want to give anyone false hope. A few tracks are sung by Jake Evans, who Bernard seems to think has a pretty impressive voice. He’s not bad. He sounds like Danny from Embrace but sings like Jimi from Doves, if that makes any sense. Essentially, imagine Danny from Embrace but less honking, more tuneful and able to convey some emotions. There you go. The ten songs pootle along nicely enough, allowing the occasional wince at some Sumner-Gold when it comes to the lyrics. To be fair, it did occasionally evince hideous memories of Barney’s drunk tramp with burnt feet dancing, but I’m not sure that’s a review that anybody wants.

http://justplayed.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/in-the-rain-of-the-midlands/

We should not let any of these reviews hinder us from listening the album for ourself, the reviewer could just be saying this because it could be just one listen or not a big NO fan like the people here.

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linus sulanki wrote: it did occasionally evince hideous memories of Barney’s drunk tramp with burnt feet dancing

:laugh: :laugh:

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linus sulanki wrote: We should not let any of these reviews hinder us from listening the album for ourself, the reviewer could just be saying this because it could be just one listen or not a big NO fan like the people here.

Thanks for that Linus, I was just thinking to myself that I don't really need to listen to this album when it's released cos some bloke I'd never heard of on the internet doesn't like it. And his opinion is good enough for me. :lol:

It's gonna sound like the last two Electronic albums though, innit? You know, like really shit. I can sense it in my waters. No electronica, fcuk all bass, no big beats. Barney on karaoke, effectively, with some bloke strumming behind him.

With these reviews coming in there must be a torrent due any day soon. :nod:

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N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

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The NME is just awful. :dead:

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kel wrote: N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

True though, I s'pose, New Order haven't done anything particularly 'vital' since Crystal, have they?

Sink or Swim certainly ain't it though.

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kel wrote: N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

NME are some of the most dumbest idiots out there even if I go to their website 50 times a day, they gave both Get Ready and WFTSC good reviews and now they say that they were both garbage now, I am shocked at some of the bands they put on their website and they say that they are good, they are utter garbage with no melody and just loud noises to it, whenever they hear something nice they put it dowm, just look at this.

http://www.nme.com/reviews/new-order/7782

http://www.nme.com/reviews/name/7645

I bet you money that if I sang a song and added the toilet flushing in the background with the sound of a vaccum cleaner in the back ground they will give if 5 stars because it is original and it is ground breaking, NME don't care if it sounds good or anything like that.

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El Jarvo wrote:

kel wrote: N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

True though, I s'pose, New Order haven't done anything particularly 'vital' since Crystal, have they?

Sink or Swim certainly ain't it though.

New Order aint done anything good sine Power Corruption and Lies.

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linus sulanki wrote: To be fair, it did occasionally evince hideous memories of Barney’s drunk tramp with burnt feet dancing, but I’m not sure that’s a review that anybody wants.

To be fair, that's EXCACTLY the kinda review I would have wanted :nod:

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Boing Boing wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

kel wrote: N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

True though, I s'pose, New Order haven't done anything particularly 'vital' since Crystal, have they?

Sink or Swim certainly ain't it though.

New Order aint done anything good sine Power Corruption and Lies.

You havnae done an original post on this forum since Power, Corruption & Lies.

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No still have to make a bad album in my opinion, everything they touch is GOLDEN from Movement to WFTSC, I still have not been disappointed by them yet.

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linus sulanki wrote:

kel wrote: N.M.E has described 'Sink Or Swim' as "more vital than anything New Order have done since 'Crystal'..",which considering the general consensus on here,seems to be getting a bit carried away.Or is that just N.M.E. for you these days :scratch:

NME are some of the most dumbest idiots out there even if I go to their website 50 times a day, they gave both Get Ready and WFTSC good reviews and now they say that they were both garbage now, I am shocked at some of the bands they put on their website and they say that they are good, they are utter garbage with no melody and just loud noises to it, whenever they hear something nice they put it dowm, just look at this.

http://www.nme.com/reviews/new-order/7782

http://www.nme.com/reviews/name/7645

I bet you money that if I sang a song and added the toilet flushing in the background with the sound of a vaccum cleaner in the back ground they will give if 5 stars because it is original and it is ground breaking, NME don't care if it sounds good or anything like that.

Hey,you've given someone an idea there!!

2nd fook up of the week goes to HMV for the email update on tickets for up and coming gigs....advertising the BL tour,but only problem is,the picture is of....New Order!! Doh!!...:nonono:

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Barney's BULLSHIT Bingo....won't get fooled again.I bet we do.I never bought all those NO remasters or the Fixed ones because i had got out of my obsessive desire to own EVERYTHING ever.Regardless of SINK OR SWIM i will get the new album(though not the deluxe) and probably even PLAY it.Stranger things have happened.Hope Diggy forgives me for dragging him to the RITZ just cos i didn't want to be ALONE.:lol:

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David Potts reviewed the album this month in the French magazine Magic.

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RM wrote: Barney's BULLSHIT Bingo

SHITHOUSE :deal:

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"There’s something strange about hearing him swear. It’s like Huw Edwards opening the news with, “Evening, wankers!”

:laugh:

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I don't think that this guy has a clue of what he is talking about. http://www.electricroulette.com/2009/09/lp-review-bad-lieutenant-never-cry-another-tear.html

Okay. What we have here is the new project from New Order's Bernard Sumner. This new grooop is called Bad Lieutenant and the album is called 'Never Cry Another Tear'. If my suspicions are right, this could be a very short review.

Right. First off, let's get the review out of the way for the New Order nuts out there who like everything they've done. Yes, this LP sounds pretty much like a New Order album. 'Sink or Swim', the first single sounds like it could have been on 'Republic'. Okay? Now go away. We've got a proper review to be getting on with.

"1993 was a special time for me..."

There's always been something kinda charming about Barney's rubbish lyrics. Famous New Order hits have pretty much been unified by his almost childlike approach to writing. Things haven't changed one bit... he sings, without any trace of irony "I'm gonna take you higher" and "I can't come back so hit the road, Jack". One of the most telling lines is the one in bold, above. I mean, c'mon.

Anyway, this LP ain't so much a new lease of life for Sumner... no no no... this is a proper new project. This isn't like those Electronic records he made with Johnny Marr whilst New Order members were all scowling at each other for the millionth time. This is a clean break, which effectively means writing songs that sound like New Order with some Doves thrown in for good measure.

If Sumner is covering the New Order angle (and let us be honest with each other here... Bernard is still the best New Order style vocalist on the planet) then new singer and writer, Jake Evans, who contributes to the LP in spades, is bringing the sound of Doves. Basically, he sounds just like Doves singer Jimi Goodwin.

Both of these ingredients will invariably thrill those Mancunians who are obsessive about the music made in the city by white men and their guitars. There's a grey cloud that hangs over Manchester in the form of Factory records and The Stone Roses. Sure, there's a whole host of great music that emanated from those two seismic points... but it's clear that there are many who refuse to let their icy grip go of those days, brought about by an intense, borrowed nostalgia that is believed so much that the lies have turned into truth.

This LP, while a perfectly reasonable listen, cements the view that Manchester is still stuck in the early '90s. Even Doves, who arrived long after that, had their feet firmly stuck in the comedown fug of the Roses at their gloomiest/ethereal [delete as applicable] and, let us not forget... they were making music as Sub Sub back then.

Fact is, this LP is a middle aged Madcunian's wet-dream. It ticks a revivalists boxes at every turn and sure, you can argue that segments sound a bit more modern and forward thinking... but the thought that those more progressive moments should be brought with a realisation that it is in fact, borrowing heavily from more recent Chemical Brothers LPs, who funnily enough, were in Manchester in the early '90s as students.

The sound of '90s Manchester is preprogrammed into the DNA of 90% of the music that emerges from the M60, which in the case of Bernard Sumner, you can't really expect anything else as he's a man who actually was in there, way back when, in a very entertaining and, at times, innovative band or two. However, if you're looking for something new and fresh, you won't find it here. By virtue of the fact that you're interested in a new Bernard Sumner LP it's more than likely that you're not looking for something new and exciting.

Fair enough... I just think Manchester has more to offer than this LP.

[Mof Gimmers]

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Actually, the review above is pretty spot-on...

:smoking:

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At least you can never say that Bernard Sumner ever really put his feet up for an extended retirement. With around 17 albums of original material over the past thirty years (and more if you count the numerous odds and ends of the discography and compilations), the problem here is that Bernard is a musician, and he makes music without necessarily considering the internal editor – mistaking saying something with having something to say.

“Never Cry Another Tear” sounds exactly how you fear and hope it sounds at exactly the same time – in one way, Bad Lieutenant sound just like New Order without the bassist. But also, Bad Lieutenant are missing the elusive, invisible magic chemistry that made New Order more than the sum of the parts : oil and water separate, and oil and fire explode. There's promise, talent and good songs, but that isn't enough on it's own. A great band needs something more.

Overall, Bad Lieutenant, made of Bernard Sumner (New Order, Joy Division, Electronic), Stephen Morris (New Order, Joy Division, the woefully underrecognised The Other Two, who is also mysteriously absent from the 'official' promo photographs but all over the record and the live shows), Phil Cunningham of the latter period New Order and, um, Marion, alongside two new Sleeperblokes, are a strange band. Quite how Bernard's bandmate and equal of the past thirty three years became an anonymous session musician at the back is baffling to me. Even though he doesn't play on every song on the record due to family illness, this is no need or reason to relegate the human metronome that is Stephen Morris to a bit part. This is, of course, no debut album, but a continuation of a previous existence in a new phase.

In short, they sound like a bunch of Electronic album tracks with the tempo dialled down slightly. The compelling dynamic of pacey rhythms, the driving bass, and the intricately simple electronics that underpinned the best of New Order's material are all absent here. Listening to it, and maybe this is because I spent too long listening to Joy Division/New Order, I can hear the bars where Hooky would fill the gaps in the sound with warm, familiar bass tones. Here there's no such comfort, just a slight emptiness, a space where the mysterious X factor should be. There's nothing here as great and immortal, as goddamn breathtakingly thrilling on first listen as “True Faith”, “Regret”, “Crystal”, “Temptation”, “The Perfect Kiss” or even “Round & Round”. At it's best, Bad Lieutenant's best song is about equal to a good New Order song from their latter years ; “Krafty” or “Times' Change”.

Is it a bad record? Well,no, not at all. At best it has moments of being pretty good – resembling some elements of New Order's maudlin and under-valued “Republic” : with dramatic keyboard stabs of tension and release, adding a much needed vitality to the musical palette. “Dynamo”, the terrific “Poisonous Intent” which races with the kind of vague menace that populated “Get Ready”, and the superior “Sink Or Swim” would all sit comfortably on a New Order record. But there's not enough here to make me whole-heartedly recommend this. “This Is Home” and “Shine Like The Sun”, both of which prominently feature the new vocalist Jake Evans, sit uncomfortably with these ears : the voice is unfamiliar, and also not quite strong enough to suggest taking a lead.

Great singers, as soon as they open their mouths, you can hear the timbre of, the quality of the voice, and know that that sound is THEM. A voice with personality is rare, and distinctive, the signature stamp of the band, and this new guy, well, he can sing, but he isn't a great lead vocalist : he can write songs, sing them, and do so well and with talent, but the voice isn't compelling to me.

It doesn't help that “Summer Days On Holiday” opening thirty seconds are, note for note, “I Am The Resurrection”. And “Running Out Of Luck” sounds oddly like Electronic's “Warning Sign” or “A New Religion”, that is, a pedestrian b-side that would not have seen a previous album.

What I did not want to do, and cannot in all conscience do, is damn this record and judge it on its weakest parts. It is occasionally maudlin, dull, unmemorable, but often it is fun, compelling, and vibrant. I'm sure that soon, and in time, the record will grow on me, and perhaps reveal previously obscure intricacies and textures. But I'm not counting on it now. In all honesty, I suspect this will be a record I return to rarely in the future. For now, it is an interesting diversion, that promises more than it delivers. Maybe soon Bad Lieutenant will master the art of the album. These are the baby steps, and, as many debuts prove, it is what follows that is the main event.

http://lifeonplanetme.blogspot.com/2009/09/bad-lieutenant-never-cry-another-tear.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/3mnv

BBC Review Perfectly decent indie-rock, but not a patch on New Order’s finest albums.

Mike Diver 2009-10-05

The best thing about the various New Order splinter groups to have emerged over the years – be they initiated during a parent group hiatus, or entirely on-the-side callings – is that they all sounded a bit like New Order. Because, basically, New Order were brilliant. Period. Even when reaching the dusk of their career, with 2005’s patchy parting shot Waiting for the Sirens’ Call, the Manchester band could still pull excellent singles out of whatever bag they kept locked away in the studio. Listen again to Krafty and, particularly, the album’s title track – they’re not solid-gold hits by the band’s own high standards, but the quality’s there to hear.

Bad Lieutenant sees New Order vocalist Bernard Sumner team up with Phil Cunningham – who joined the band officially in 2004, replacing founder Gillian Gilbert – and newcomer Jake Evans, who shares vocal responsibilities. Former New Order drummer Stephen Morris will man the kit for live performances, and can be seen in the video for this debut album’s lead single, Sink or Swim. The best aspect of said track: it sounds a bit like New Order, albeit the late-era variety rather than the one that helped define alternative music in the 1980s. And that’s both a blessing and a curse.

New Order still have a lot of fans, a side-effect of being quite so brilliant. And these fans will continually be interested in any new project that features the oddly detached-yet-delicate tones of Sumner, and Morris’s involvement seals the deal. But because of the impression left by records like 1983’s Power, Corruption & Lies and 1989’s Balearic-of-beat Technique, comparisons to the pair’s previous endeavours will forever precede evaluation of the material at hand. If you’re after evidence, clearly you’ve not read any of the above.

But, to briefly touch upon what predictably enough pales in comparison to anything New Order produced up to (and including) 1993’s underrated Republic: Never Cry Another Tear is a perfectly decent indie-rock album full of perfectly decent indie-rock tunes, which will find a home on the shelves of any halfway discerning indie-rock fan. A couple of duds – the dreary closer, Head Into Tomorrow, could have been omitted – can be overlooked because, well, it’s Barney. And what Barney likes is usually alright.

Assessing matters at that level of quality control, Bad Lieutenant don’t put a foot wrong.

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http://spinningplatters.com/2009/10/05/album-review-bad-lieutenant-never-cry-another-tear/

Album Review: Bad Lieutenant – Never Cry Another Tear by Tony Butterworth on October 5, 2009

If you’re my age and grew up in the UK then you are a New Order fan. You may no longer like them or remember them that well, but as soon as you hear their songs it takes you back. If you want to be cool you claim to be a Joy Division fan; or knowledgeable. you’ll play the Electronic, or better still, Monaco card. Over the years New Order matured and came back towards a pretty traditional but always entertaining pop music sound but sadly appear to have closed up shop for the last time due to disputes between Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook. I am huge fan of Bernard Sumner, especially his singing voice. I recently saw him on the UK based Songbook show discussing his songs and revealing that he would soon be releasing an album with his new band, Bad Lieutenant, and after a long wait it’s here.

Officially, Bad Lieutenant are Bernard Sumner (vocals/guitar), Stephen Morris (drums), Phil Cunningham (guitar/keyboards/vocals), Jake Evans (vocals/guitar), and Tom Chapman (bass). Cunningham and Morris are ex-New Order members, Evans is a new young talent, and Chapman remains a mystery to me. Many false rumors claim Bad Lieutenant to be a Blur/New Order super group but this is false. Alex James was instrumental in the formation of the band, since early rehearsals took place at his home, but he was never a member and contributes only minimally to Never Cry Another Tear.

The album opens with “Sink or Swim.” I’ve heard this one before. It’s a classic slice of latter day New Order and is a wonderful song, Sumner’s voice is at its best (he’s not the best singer in the world but his voice always works well). “Twist of Fate” also has that New Order feel, right down to the pounding bass. Another enjoyable tune, though it lacks the melodic beauty of the first track.

“Summer Days on Holiday” is the first track to really feature keyboards, but even with that there is a sameness to the sound now. However the chorus here is another highlight, I’m assuming it’s sung by Jake Evans, who sounds remarkably like Noel Gallagher at this point. Just so I can sound like a broken record this is one of those songs, like many here, that goes on sixty to ninety seconds too long. “This is Home” once again starts with a bass riff that is quickly joined by jangly, rousing, guitars. In this one we get vocals from both Sumner and Evans. Evans takes the first part with his deeper, more gravely, voice. Sumner comes in for, what is basically, the chorus and his higher, more melodic, voice creates a great contrast. This song is another of my favorites.

It was nice of Bernard to bring his kids to work with him.

“Running out of Luck” opens with the bothjangly and acoustic guitar. This is another Sumner sung song (say that ten times quickly). It’s slower paced than the first four and creates a nice contrast but ultimately it doesn’t go anywhere interesting. Song six is “Dynamo,” once again a long intro leads us into another Sumner slower paced track, a basic tune with a lot of synth sounds filling it out, suddenly bursting into an energetically sung chorus. (For Sumner to momentarily move away from his laid back lilt is quite a shock.)

“Poisonous Intent” starts with picked guitar, reminding me, for some reason, of Lyndsay Buckingham, but we rapidly move into a synth driven, semi-spoken (by Sumner) tracks. To be quite honest it sounds almost like a teenager freestyling lyrics in front of the mirror (not the lyrics of a fiftyish man). “These Changes” is a Jake Evans sung track, his voice, the echo used, and the rocking but laid back acoustic track really make this sound like an Oasis song (all the members of Bad Lieutenant and Oasis being from the same town may be a factor). This is another of my favorite tracks.

“Walk on Silver Water” is a pretty tame track again rescued by a decent chorus. Perhaps as an earlier song it would have stood out but at this point it’s nothing new for this album. “Shine Like the Sun” opens brightly (unlike most of the others). It’s another Evans track and once again I like it (I think I’m starting to spot a trend here).

“Runaway” is a mid-tempo track based around piano and synth (more than many of the others at least). Sumner sings this one. It’s one of the more memorable songs on the album, something about it makes it easy to sing and remember. The last “official” track is “Head Into Tomorrow” which opens with another gently strummed acoustic and after another long intro Evans voice arrives to sing this ballad. It’s a harmless song, well sung but it never really goes anywhere.

Bonus Section

Welcome now to the exciting bonus section of this review where we review the bonus tracks (what is a bonus track when it appears to exist on all copies of the album anyway?) First bonus track “Falling Trees” starts brightly and is a Sumner track with an odd trace of T-Pain style auto-tune on his voice at times. More of the same here, not necessarily a bad thing but this is definitely one of the less interesting tracks. We finish off with “Split the Atom,” once again opening with acoustic guitar and piano, joined quickly by synths and Evans’s Gallagher-like voice. This song is interesting as it blends Evans and Sumners voices together during the chorus, it works well and is an underused approach on the rest of the album.

Overall, Never Cry Another Tear is a very entertaining listen and recommended to all. It never really reaches the lofty goals set by the first couple of songs and I’m pretty sure it will not have a long lifespan on my player but it’s still a great listen. I have to wonder if my lifelong commitment to New Order and my enjoyment of the Songbook show with Sumner gives this album a gloss that is undeserved but give it a listen for yourself and decide.

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