Bad Lootenant performing New Order tracks?

[orange]TheAotearoan[/orange] wrote: You'd be sad if they didn't dip into the past surely?

It'll be Barney on karaoke though, won't it?

Nobody should Hooky's bass parts, except Hooky.

Those unplugged versions were just shit, I thought.

Now, as I keep asking, can anyone lend me a lighter?

Good news, though it's a fuckin travesty Electronic couldnae be arsed to tour the last couple of albums themselves.

El Jarvo wrote:

Now, as I keep asking, can anyone lend me a lighter?

I'm sure I can help you out with a lighter

Viking Number 7 wrote: Good news, though it's a fuckin travesty Electronic couldnae be arsed to tour the last couple of albums themselves.

[cough]It would've been a fcuking travesty if they HAD toured the last couple of albums[/cough].

Just saying, like.

El Jarvo wrote:

Viking Number 7 wrote: Good news, though it's a fuckin travesty Electronic couldnae be arsed to tour the last couple of albums themselves.

[cough]It would've been a fcuking travesty if they HAD toured the last couple of albums[/cough].

Just saying, like.

And there was me gonna lend you me lighter. Not anymore sunshine

Zachery Starkey wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

[orange]TheAotearoan[/orange] wrote: You'd be sad if they didn't dip into the past surely?

It'll be Barney on karaoke though, won't it?

Nobody should Hooky's bass parts, except Hooky.

Those unplugged versions were just shit, I thought.

Now, as I keep asking, can anyone lend me a lighter?

It's not Barney on karoke. He wrote a large portion of the music in New Order, as well as the lyrics.

If no one should play Hooky's bass parts except for Hooky, then no one should sing Bernards vocal parts or play his guitar parts.

But...wait....didn't David Potts do just that at that Monaco gig?

AND NO ONE HERE COMPLAINED.

So, whats the difference?

Me, personally, I don't care.

I am looking forward to seeing BL in Chicago, and I hope they do some New Order songs.

And I liked Monaco's versions of Age of Consent and especially thier Gary Gliter-esque version of Blue Monday.

And if I go see Freebass (which i hope to) and they play some NO songs and Gary Briggs sings Barney's parts...thats okay too!

Eh? I've already answered this.

Taking a one-off 'Monaco' (well, Hooky and Pottsy) reformation after 10 years out of the equation.

How many New Order songs did Monaco perform live originally then? I'm talking about when they were a going concern - what was that? 1995-1998?

How many New Order songs did Revenge perform live during their time?

And how many New Order songs did ever Electronic perform live?

Personally I don't see a genuine need for Barney to be doing any of his back catalogue. With Electronic they only had one album behind them and played venues such as the Barrowlands and Wembley Conference Centre, and even headlined Cities in the Park and didn't play any NO/JD material. It's not like there's any reason for them to be playing LWTUA on a cold Tuesday night in a Brighton nightclub before a crowd of a few hundred, now is there? Perhaps if they were performing at bigger venues with less discerning crowds then Barney might have to resort to playing crowd pleasers, but with a new album and new line-up under his belt I don't see it as necessary. Or are you expecting them to be playing Rambo & Leroy numbers too to keep Jake happy? And Marion to placate Phil?

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GlasVegas wrote: They need to do their own shit exclusively if they want to get taken seriously. That's what you've got to do starting out when you've got all that baggage. That's how Ian Brown did it. That's how David Byrne did it. You got zero Stone Roses songs from Brown for about the first 5 years of his solo career. Ditto with Byrne. .

Agreed. That's how New Order did it also.

Good point. I forgot about them!

Fazakerly.

So does Bernard need to do it all over again??. When you've survived the JD situation, re-written the book like NO did and painfully squeezed into the shoes of the biggest indie icon out there.....the need to prove anything??, to be taken seriously??....hmm, lets work that one through. Lesser artists going it alone for the first time without an equivalent legacy might find the decision is forced on them. No such insecurities needed here. Been there, done that, see you later.

Yeah but of the two examples I mentioned (Ian Brown and David Byrne) you would struggle to define them as 'lesser artists'. OK, Brown did have quite a bit to prove but David Byrne was going out on tour having split Talking Heads up at the very height of their commercial success and having not played live, with Talking Heads or otherwise, for 5 years. He sold out three nights at the Barras in a day and remember, this was back in '89 when getting tickets for a sold out show involved fans (not touts) queuing in the rain on the morning they were released.

Believe me, everyone at that show was DESPERATE for Talking Heads material, I reckon the majority of them (me included) had never even heard 'Rei Momo', the latin influenced thing he was touring. But he stuck to his guns, played all the new stuff (with a sixteen piece backing band. On the Barra's stage!) and I think with hindsight the gig and his reputation as an artist were all the better for it.

Yeah but of the two examples I mentioned (Ian Brown and David Byrne) you would struggle to define them as 'lesser artists'. OK, Brown did have quite a bit to prove but David Byrne was going out on tour having split Talking Heads up at the very height of their commercial success and having not played live, with Talking Heads or otherwise, for 5 years. He sold out three nights at the Barras in a day and remember, this was back in '89 when getting tickets for a sold out show involved fans (not touts) queuing in the rain on the morning they were released.

Believe me, everyone at that show was DESPERATE for Talking Heads material, I reckon the majority of them (me included) had never even heard 'Rei Momo', the latin influenced thing he was touring. But he stuck to his guns, played all the new stuff (with a sixteen piece backing band. On the Barra's stage!) and I think with hindsight the gig and his reputation as an artist were all the better for it.

Well, as it goes, I was folding up Brown and Bryne and neatly tidying them away in the 'lesser artist' draw. Brown???... only two albums under his belt, ok one a touchstone then 5 years of nothingness before a damp squid of a follow up and everyone assumed Squire was the creative force anyways. He had it all to prove. That's a no brainer. Talking Heads? yes a much bigger legacy than Brown had but, for me, not in the same league as NO/JD in the UK. NO filled the SECC in '89, were topping the charts and winning polls galore in the after-glow of Technique. Their critical peak some would say.

Before you choke on your fried Mars Bar, I am, of course, unashamedly partisan and you may exercise your well earned right to disagree!.

Timing is the thing here. Your talking about when Brown and Byrne were both on their initial baby steps away from the safety of the musical collectives that gave them their name. Like when NO followed JD?. I just don't get why Bernard should feel the need to prove himself (again) after having already been a leading song writer with three previous successful bands (count them) all of whom followed the rules of the game that you're laying down. The first break away - defo do your own stuff. Your second time out when your first trip was a good one - maybe. Third time around after everything you've touched has turned to pop gold - do what you fucking well like, you've earned it.

We're 20 years on from when the likes of Byrne went solo and Electronic started out. The music biz has changed it's skin at least twice since then. Bands don't make money from album sales anymore, the arse has fallen out of that cash cow. Gig income is vital. So if we want bands to promote their new album in a way which we believe is mandatory for them to be treated seriously then maybe we need to be prepared to pay serious money to hear it?.

Until the industry big cheeses can work out a way of making DRM work in the artists favour, gigs will be the main fund raiser, the way of covering the cost of making the record and pay themselves. If Bad Loo are going to get decent coin from their shows they have to offer up the old faves as well as the new stuff. And why not?. It'll be more fun than just hearing the new ones. Remember that?? fun?!. Even though these small gigs may not generate much dosh they need to set the scene for a bigger tour in 2010. Give folk something to anticipate.

When most of NOs contemparies are only making ends meet by touring remastered LPs on the 25th anniversary, I don't reckon Steve, Bernard and Hooky are doing too bad. And if playing golden oldies alongside new material, whatever band they're in, allows them to defer the day when they have to join the chicken-in-a-basket circuit then more power to them.