Ceremony

Try the lyric section of this very site Won Ton ... it contains all songs with varying degrees of accuracy. Failing that when you can't understand some of Barney's lyrics, just imagine what might fit (sometimes with a crowbar), not necessarily concentrating on the proper English definition ... and you won't be a million miles away.

'I think I'll go and then it gets seasonable'

a fine example.

At times, he surpasses genius. On occasion, he provokes ecstasy.

Originally posted by Huntsman 'I think I'll go and then it gets seasonable'

I always thought it was

Your country (Switzerland on the original live takes) is a wonderful place, It pales my England into disgrace, To buy a drink there is so much more reasonable I think I'll go there when it gets seasonable

Not that the lyrics from Sooner Than You Think will have any impact at all on understanding what the fook Curtis was on about in Ceremony !!!!!

Originally posted by Huntsman Try the lyric section of this very site Won Ton ... it contains all songs with varying degrees of accuracy. Failing that when you can't understand some of Barney's lyrics, just imagine what might fit (sometimes with a crowbar), not necessarily concentrating on the proper English definition ... and you won't be a million miles away.'I think I'll go and then it gets seasonable'a fine example.At times, he surpasses genius. On occasion, he provokes ecstasy.

Yes, yes, yes, Huntsy, but what's this ravell got to do with "Ceremony"? IT'S A JOY DIVISION SONG, WITH LYRICS PENNED BY IAN!!!!!!!!!

This is why events unnerve me, They find it all, a different story, Notice whom for wheels are turning, Turn again and turn towards this time, All she ask's the strength to hold me, Then again the same old story, World will travel, oh so quickly, Travel first and lean towards this time.

Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown, Heaven knows, it's got to be this time, Watching her, these things she said, The times she cried, Too frail to wake this time.

Oh I'll break them down, no mercy shown Heaven knows, it's got to be this time, Avenues all lined with trees, Picture me and then you start watching, Watching forever, forever, Watching love grow, forever, Letting me know, forever.

No idea! I reckon I only knew half of them before checking. Though I'm very good at making similar mouth shapes to the ones Bernard does.

Originally posted by JORGE TEIXEIRA > Originally posted by Huntsman> Try the lyric section of this very site Won Ton ... it contains all songs with varying degrees of accuracy. Failing that when you can't understand some of Barney's lyrics, just imagine what might fit (sometimes with a crowbar), not necessarily concentrating on the proper English definition ... and you won't be a million miles away.> > 'I think I'll go and then it gets seasonable'> > a fine example.> > At times, he surpasses genius. On occasion, he provokes ecstasy.> >

Yes, yes, yes, Huntsy, but what's this ravell got to do with "Ceremony"? IT'S A JOY DIVISION SONG, WITH LYRICS PENNED BY IAN!!!!!!!!! Surely that was thrown in as a general point.

'I think I'll go there when it gets seasonable' methinks. Still not great but at least it makes some sort of sense.

I think it is about Ian Curtis's observations of a funeral ceremony, and at the end he is relating his own death and how that will seem to others.....

Thank you Hank. At least some people out there have the common decency to appreciate a 'generalisation' when they see one. I must say next time I offer to help somebody I will consider the possible repercussions. The point was missed, I allowed myself to interpret the missing lyric I could not define from Barney's vocal diction. Okay? ... And ...

Yes, I do recollect that Ceremony is in actual fact a JD song recorded and released by NO and as such, had Ian Curtis' influence throughout. I do not, however, recollect reading anything which stated Curtis penned the track. I assumed it was a group effort.

As to the meaning of the song, I don't think I've ever analysed it that closely before, except the lyric describing trees in a line ... which always invoked images of long, expansive roads with mysterious destinations on the horizon in a leafy NY suburb in Autumn (Fall) - which duly returns us back to the original point, that the song emanated from JD and was recorded by NO. What's that got to do with NY? (or perhaps a neighbouring county).

The avenues remind me of France. Specifically the Tour de France, which is held in June or July. Go Figure. Didn't Bernard/the band decide what Ian had written from the demo tapes? As he hadn't actually left anything written down.

Originally posted by Easy E I think it is about Ian Curtis's observations of a funeral ceremony, and at the end he is relating his own death and how that will seem to others.....

Sounds reasonable to me. Care to have a stab at the others?

Originally posted by Huntsman Thank you Hank. At least some people out there have the common decency to appreciate a 'generalisation' when they see one. I must say next time I offer to help somebody I will consider the possible repercussions. The point was missed, I allowed myself to interpret the missing lyric I could not define from Barney's vocal diction. Okay? ... And ...Yes, I do recollect that Ceremony is in actual fact a JD song recorded and released by NO and as such, had Ian Curtis' influence throughout. I do not, however, recollect reading anything which stated Curtis penned the track. I assumed it was a group effort.As to the meaning of the song, I don't think I've ever analysed it that closely before, except the lyric describing trees in a line ... which always invoked images of long, expansive roads with mysterious destinations on the horizon in a leafy NY suburb in Autumn (Fall) - which duly returns us back to the original point, that the song emanated from JD and was recorded by NO. What's that got to do with NY? (or perhaps a neighbouring county).

Come on, don't take it so hard! I can understand a "generalisation" when I see one, but I still don't understand what yours has got to do with Wen's question! And by the way, in JD Barney, Steve and Hooky wrote the music and Ian the lyrics...

I thought he was asking what the lyrics were.

So each chips.

Anyway ... look at the size of that picture!

Originally posted by Huntsman I thought he was asking what the lyrics were.So each chips.Anyway ... look at the size of that picture!

You're getting fatter, aren't ya?

Originally posted by JORGE TEIXEIRA > Originally posted by Huntsman> I thought he was asking what the lyrics were.> > So each chips.> > > > Anyway ... look at the size of that picture!

You're getting fatter, aren't ya?

No, I am proportionally identical.

You have again failed to observe my power increase. Yield before me you pheasant.

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by JORGE TEIXEIRA> > > > Originally posted by Huntsman> > I thought he was asking what the lyrics were.> > > > So each chips.> > > > > > > > Anyway ... look at the size of that picture!>

You're getting fatter, aren't ya?

No, I am proportionally identical.

I wonder... those proportions... are they in a 1:3:4 ratio?

No, it's 5:8:6 innit ;)

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
> Originally posted by Easy E> I think it is about Ian Curtis's observations of a funeral ceremony, and at the end he is relating his own death and how that will seem to others.....>

Sounds reasonable to me. Care to have a stab at the others?

Any in particular ?

MTO

Originally posted by Easy E > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
> Originally posted by Easy E> I think it is about Ian Curtis's observations of a funeral ceremony, and at the end he is relating his own death and how that will seem to others.....>

Sounds reasonable to me. Care to have a stab at the others?

Any in particular ? No. May as well make it the whole shebang.

I guess the lyrics are not correct. Remember: New Order were listening to the reheasal room - track that was published on "Heart and Soul" and used an equalizer to find out about the lyrics and this is what they used on their version. I'm convinced that Ian Curtis lyrics differ from that. I just wish, somebody could give me these words - as you might guess, I'm not a native speaker. Anyone here, who's just understanding a few lines of Ians' version? Dirk

The lyrics don't differ at all. Listen to the STILL version with headphones on..... the line "watching her,these things she said,the times she cried...too frail to wake this time" can be heard clearly if the volumes turned up. Basically,Sumners recollection of using an equaliser is bollox.

Originally posted by John Sweeney The lyrics don't differ at all.Listen to the STILL version with headphones on.....the line "watching her,these things she said,the times she cried...too frail to wake this time"can be heard clearly if the volumes turned up.Basically,Sumners recollection of using an equaliser is bollox.

True enough. Like a lot of songs that the band have done live as work in progress over each incarnation though, the lyrics were mumbled as though Ian wasn't sure of timing within the song. Listen to A Means To An End at Paris 18/12/80 and you'll see further evidence of this.

i always thought that ceremony was about a romantic break up.