British Bands VS. American Bands

EdelBrock wrote:

Indie - US

Wrong

UK -

New Order , The Smiths , Stone Roses , The Charlatans, Oasis, Wedding Present , Happy Mondays, The Cure , Depeche Mode, Jesus and the Marychain, Primal Scream, ACR, Blur ,Arctic Monkeys , and so on

US -

The Strokes , Pixies

Theres no big difference between either. Anglo-American music is mostly quite dull these days.

Tarbox23 wrote:

Sometimes, I am like, "whoa, this is a great song, I bet some beautiful person in Ye Olde England crafted it, next to the blacksmith! They put shoes on horses!"

so fun!

Yeah, thats us.

US:

Sonic Youth Butthole Surfers Johnny Cash James Brown Nat King Cole Frank Sinatra Social Distortion Ramones Dead Kennedys Smashing Pumpkins Silversun pickups Sarah Mclachlan Nine Inch Nails

Foreign:

NO JD Electronic Cabaret Voltaire Einsturzende Neubauten Coil Wolfgang Press Nick Cave (with and without the Bad Seeds) Sisters of Mercy Sinead O'connor Stone Roses Charlatans Aphex Twin Royksopp

Prolly forgetting lots of good ones...these are just top of the head

Empress Touch wrote:

0_o wrote: USA has the best hip hop uncontested. Europe took acid house and ran with it. Not sure who is to blame for "trance" but they should be a little embarrassed.

Giorgio Moroder and Donna Summer - I Feel Love (1978)

Another major influence on trance music was the 1982 Simple Minds' album New Gold Dream '81'82'83'84. In particular, the title track which the Italians loved and is still highly regarded everywhere.

And Mr Nash, you've probably already realised, but Bryan Adams is from Vancouver.

Acid House ultimately has roots in Chicago/Detroit, but in the UK it picked up influences from Ibiza and British new wave synth.

Trance is basically a Dutch up-tempo version of Italo.

EdelBrock wrote:

leather_girl wrote: The vast majority of the rock/pop bands I like are British. I listen to some rock/pop that are Japanese (mainly older stuff though), as well as some that are from other countries in Europe. (And a little bit from the US and Australia.) The majority of dance music that I like comes from all over Europe, although some are Japanese. However, I also listen to jazz, and the vast majority of jazz/easy listening stuff I listen to are American.

So for me it depends on the type of music.

Agree it has to do with genre...

Post-Punk - Britain

Indie - US bollocks is it

Country - US all yours, big boy

Pop - US + many other countries

Electronica - Britain + many other mainly Euro countries

Jazz - US

Proto-punk - Britain is this a made up genre?

Rap / R&B - US

Punk is a toss up, as it could go either way. I don't think so.

So as it goes for music as a whole, US wins, hands down... but as for music in my taste, Britain wins hands down.

Ian Curtis gave us Joy Division and then New Order. That's enough for me

Shug wrote: There is fucking shite music in every country.

Themed in level of cuntyness and blandness....

Depeche Mode vs Pixies

Eh? You must be one of those Corby lot affected by the steelworks. Did you get a payout?

Canada also gave us Rush.

I didn't know Earth was including UK + USA + Oceans only. I learn every day.

Ger Boy wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Indie - US

Wrong

UK -

New Order , The Smiths , Stone Roses , The Charlatans, Oasis, Wedding Present , Happy Mondays, The Cure , Depeche Mode, Jesus and the Marychain, Primal Scream, ACR, Blur ,Arctic Monkeys , and so on

US -

The Strokes , Pixies

and, yeah, so you clearly know absolutely nothing about indie rock. thanks for letting us all know.

Tarbox23 wrote:

Ger Boy wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Indie - US

Wrong

UK -

New Order , The Smiths , Stone Roses , The Charlatans, Oasis, Wedding Present , Happy Mondays, The Cure , Depeche Mode, Jesus and the Marychain, Primal Scream, ACR, Blur ,Arctic Monkeys , and so on

US -

The Strokes , Pixies

and, yeah, so you clearly know absolutely nothing about indie rock. thanks for letting us all know.

Ger Boy, almost all of those belong to Post-Punk (which by the way I already gave to UK)

Burt Burterson wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

leather_girl wrote: The vast majority of the rock/pop bands I like are British. I listen to some rock/pop that are Japanese (mainly older stuff though), as well as some that are from other countries in Europe. (And a little bit from the US and Australia.) The majority of dance music that I like comes from all over Europe, although some are Japanese. However, I also listen to jazz, and the vast majority of jazz/easy listening stuff I listen to are American.

So for me it depends on the type of music.

Agree it has to do with genre...

Post-Punk - Britain

Indie - US bollocks is it

Country - US all yours, big boy

Pop - US + many other countries

Electronica - Britain + many other mainly Euro countries

Jazz - US

Proto-punk - Britain is this a made up genre?

Rap / R&B - US

Punk is a toss up, as it could go either way. I don't think so.

So as it goes for music as a whole, US wins, hands down... but as for music in my taste, Britain wins hands down.

Last I saw it was a question on UK vs. US, so the reason I didn't include the rest of Europe... keep up with the conversation Bert.

and for your info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk

The only one left in question is Indie... explain...

based upon my top 20 artists played (according to last.fm), i have 10 us acts, 9 uk acts and slapp happy (made up of one american, one brit and one german). therefore, i'll declare slapp happy to be the best band ever.

New Order Nina Simone Alex Chilton The Mekons David Bowie The Fall Prince Chromatics The Beach Boys Big Star The Beatles Slapp Happy Animal Collective The Velvet Underground Electronic The Smiths Liars Disco Inferno A Certain Ratio Michael Hurley

seriously, in the end i'd rate it a tie. both the us and britain have made incredible contributions to music. if the us is a bit more original, the uk seems a bit more daring.

and whoever said british proto-punk trumps us proto-punk needs to get their underwear out of their ears.

It really doesn't matter. America gave us Ramones and in return we gave the world Joy Division (not that anyone noticed at the time).

isaac wrote: It really doesn't matter. America gave us Ramones and in return we gave the world Joy Division (not that anyone noticed at the time).

well, Ian Curtis was mainly influenced by US bands:

Velvet Underground Iggy and the Stooges The Doors Frank Sinatra :)

and there'd be no Sex Pistols if not for the earlier US bands: New York Dolls and the Stooges.

EdelBrock wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

leather_girl wrote: The vast majority of the rock/pop bands I like are British. I listen to some rock/pop that are Japanese (mainly older stuff though), as well as some that are from other countries in Europe. (And a little bit from the US and Australia.) The majority of dance music that I like comes from all over Europe, although some are Japanese. However, I also listen to jazz, and the vast majority of jazz/easy listening stuff I listen to are American.

So for me it depends on the type of music.

Agree it has to do with genre...

Post-Punk - Britain

Indie - US bollocks is it

Country - US all yours, big boy

Pop - US + many other countries

Electronica - Britain + many other mainly Euro countries

Jazz - US

Proto-punk - Britain is this a made up genre?

Rap / R&B - US

Punk is a toss up, as it could go either way. I don't think so.

So as it goes for music as a whole, US wins, hands down... but as for music in my taste, Britain wins hands down.

EdelBrock wrote:

Last I saw it was a question on UK vs. US, so the reason I didn't include the rest of Europe... keep up with the conversation Bert.

Burt Burterson wrote:

Well you should try reading the answers before commenting. Which I did. As in, 'keeping up withe the conversation. Which, you didn't. Hence your mistake.

EdelBrock wrote:

and for your info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk

Burt Burterson wrote:

Remarkable what wiki wankers come up with, retrospectively.

EdelBrock wrote:

The only one left in question is Indie... explain...

Burt Burterson wrote:

straightforward really... the term originated and only existed in the UK from the late 70's as a shortened version of the word 'independent', as in labels such as Factory, Creation etc. It did in the eighties become almost a style of music as listed in the 'indie chart' which was full of jangly guitar music back then. The US college charts followed suit with their own 'indie charts' and hence indie was born, almost forgetting the true meaning of the word.

jesse steichen wrote:

and whoever said british proto-punk trumps us proto-punk needs to get their underwear out of their ears.

As far as I'm concerned, obviously whatever term you guys have invented retrospectively, didn't exist at the time, or was named as such then and there. Therefore it is bollocks, and is the invention of some bored patriotic student, years after the event.

Arse.

Burt Burterson wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

leather_girl wrote: The vast majority of the rock/pop bands I like are British. I listen to some rock/pop that are Japanese (mainly older stuff though), as well as some that are from other countries in Europe. (And a little bit from the US and Australia.) The majority of dance music that I like comes from all over Europe, although some are Japanese. However, I also listen to jazz, and the vast majority of jazz/easy listening stuff I listen to are American.

So for me it depends on the type of music.

Agree it has to do with genre...

Post-Punk - Britain

Indie - US bollocks is it

Country - US all yours, big boy

Pop - US + many other countries

Electronica - Britain + many other mainly Euro countries

Jazz - US

Proto-punk - Britain is this a made up genre?

Rap / R&B - US

Punk is a toss up, as it could go either way. I don't think so.

So as it goes for music as a whole, US wins, hands down... but as for music in my taste, Britain wins hands down.

EdelBrock wrote:

Last I saw it was a question on UK vs. US, so the reason I didn't include the rest of Europe... keep up with the conversation Bert.

Burt Burterson wrote:

Well you should try reading the answers before commenting. Which I did. As in, 'keeping up withe the conversation. Which, you didn't. Hence your mistake.

EdelBrock wrote:

and for your info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk

Burt Burterson wrote:

Remarkable what wiki wankers come up with, retrospectively.

EdelBrock wrote:

The only one left in question is Indie... explain...

Burt Burterson wrote:

straightforward really... the term originated and only existed in the UK from the late 70's as a shortened version of the word 'independent', as in labels such as Factory, Creation etc. It did in the eighties become almost a style of music as listed in the 'indie chart' which was full of jangly guitar music back then. The US college charts followed suit with their own 'indie charts' and hence indie was born, almost forgetting the true meaning of the word.

Nice try Burt, but Indie is traced back to Velvet Underground... not UK. Most of the big Indie groups of UK in the 80s didn't remain indie, so as groups they are no longer indie... we didn't forget the meaning....

NO / JD - GB Animal collective - USA underground Resistance - USA Drexciya - USA Spacemen 3 / Spiritualized p - GB The Black Dog - GB Basic Channel / Rhythm & Sound - German The Jesus and Mary Chain - GB Velvet Underground - USA The XX - GB Cold Cave - USA B12 - GB Kraftwerk - German Jeff Miils - USA Rob Hood - USA

So pretty split across the atlantic.

Nice try Burt, but Indie is traced back to Velvet Underground... not UK. Most of the big Indie groups of UK in the 80s didn't remain indie, so as groups they are no longer indie... we didn't forget the meaning....

Huh? Then the VU weren't indie either as they were on a major label. Not that I care either way.

And most of the UK indie groups DID stay on indie labels all through the 80s - it was only in the US these same bands were picked up my major distributors.

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: Nice try Burt, but Indie is traced back to Velvet Underground... not UK. Most of the big Indie groups of UK in the 80s didn't remain indie, so as groups they are no longer indie... we didn't forget the meaning....

Huh? Then the VU weren't indie either as they were on a major label. Not that I care either way.

And most of the UK indie groups DID stay on indie labels all through the 80s - it was only in the US these same bands were picked up my major distributors.

I think what he's trying to say is that most indie bands owe a lot to VU. They are the grandfather of indie.

I'll go with American bands. It no secret and its not even debatable that most British bands have more roots in Americana.

Burt Burterson wrote:

jesse steichen wrote:

and whoever said british proto-punk trumps us proto-punk needs to get their underwear out of their ears.

As far as I'm concerned, obviously whatever term you guys have invented retrospectively, didn't exist at the time, or was named as such then and there. Therefore it is bollocks, and is the invention of some bored patriotic student, years after the event.

Arse.

of course it is. the "proto" prefix makes that obvious. it isn't like someone said "oh, let's go make a genre called punk, but not yet, and let's call these bands proto-punk, because this music sounds like what it punk will sound like, but it's not quite there yet." and patriotism has nothing to do with it.

it's a far more useful term than post-rock, say.