Hooligan or Student?

Definitely the student type. Even when I'm no longer a student, I'll still be the spectacles wearing, book reading person with New Order (and other side project bands) on her iPod.

Where's the 'Grumpy Old Man' option? Most of us are too old to be students or hooligans anymore

Isn't the quote from 18 years ago. So the spotty students are now middle aged leftie teachers / council workers.

I'm a spotty hooligan.

I used to be a student (albeit part-time).

I voted neither, I'm more a rootin tootin smokin drinkin snortin type a guy!

:\party:

Husband with a fixation on good music :)

I remember reading this many years ago and thinking that Sumner had no clue about his fan base.

Cause it seems a lot of new order fans watch football and sports and also figured out calculus or advanced design theory or how to mix in the right amount of bitters, at some point. And love music, and having a good night.

So, more probably, Sumner was just trying to piss us off - just making sh1t up ;)

I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

Tarbox23 wrote: I remember reading this many years ago and thinking that Sumner had no clue about his fan base.

I'm sure he said something along those lines in the NME back in the mid-80s. I disagree - I think he's actually spot on with his description!

I think that quote is from New Order Story,he was being filmed while having his haircut or something like that,that would make it around 1993.

cranelane wrote: he was being filmed while having his haircut or something like that,that would make it around 1993.

Wow. Thats a long time between haircuts.

It always makes me laugh, I enjoy being mocked by famous people.

CuanaD - D-plus wrote: Where's the 'Grumpy Old Man' option? Most of us are too old to be students or hooligans anymore

touche!

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

Do New Order have any roayl following? Like in the Royal family of England, or maybe there are some viscounts, dukes or lords who dig them? Anyone knows any nobility cracking their heads to 'Thieves Like Us'?

i am renowned for dropping fire extinguishers off tier 3 at Eastlands. most of the hooligans i know had to sell their new order records to pay for messy divorces.

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

Agreed.. Load of old gubbins from another hemisphere.

Burt Burterson wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

Agreed.. Load of old gubbins from another hemisphere.

Hemisphere? More like gubbins from another fucking dimension.

I mean, Communists???!!?!

Stupid question really, if you think someone will elaborate..and say i was a socialist worker/veggie/geek/twat new order fan As Hacienda Neil said Leeds VYT and service crew, albeit remember more people being into The Farm... Duchess/Warehouse...St Georges Hall with section five, seacroft, Mancs etc.. wow... especially after the gig. Down Finsbury park tent alldayer in summer with good 20 lads on coach from Darlo, Wetherby. Then Secc easter with Guy/Gerald. Mental. Those were the days you especially bought new threads for gigs. My One regret.. not keeping me Stockholms & blue Dublins..bastard

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

I concur [even if you are from L666S]

I suppose it may have looked like that from the antipodes,

but the reality is quite different.

It could be very dodgy watching NO anywhere in the UK in the 80's as 'hooliganism' seemed to migrate from the terraces to wherever they happened to play. You'd get mobs from all over the country converging on the gig and sometimes odd allegiances would form. Bradford and the Mancunians versus your lot at Bradford St. Georges Hall in 86 Mr Leeds VYT? [Especially in the town hall square afterwards]

[Oh, and I remember a certain Mr Dutton squaring up to Bez on stage at a Mondays' gig in Leeds]

Andrew Sayer wrote: Stupid question really, if you think someone will elaborate..and say i was a socialist worker/veggie/geek/twat new order fan As Hacienda Neil said Leeds VYT and service crew, albeit remember more people being into The Farm... Duchess/Warehouse...St Georges Hall with section five, seacroft, Mancs etc.. wow... especially after the gig. Down Finsbury park tent alldayer in summer with good 20 lads on coach from Darlo, Wetherby. Then Secc easter with Guy/Gerald. Mental. Those were the days you especially bought new threads for gigs. My One regret.. not keeping me Stockholms & blue Dublins..bastard

Christ, we must have been at all the same gigs and witnessed all the same things. Finsbury Park Super-tent was very dodgy,I saw about 4 people getting smacked during the Mondays set so I made a swift exit to the side where I got talking to the Bridewells [who we'd seen on the coach earlier that day] it was even 'going off' in Soho after between Mancs/Chelsea. The Bradford St. Georges gig caused me big problems for about 2 years 'cos of my allegiances and where I lived. If I say I lived in Keighley and I wasn't a Leeds fan then you'll know what I mean.

I got punched at the secc just for having an English accent! Please note I was only 16 in 1985! TRUE New Order fan since the age of 10 me!

pure_shaw wrote: i am renowned for dropping fire extinguishers off tier 3 at Eastlands. most of the hooligans i know had to sell their new order records to pay for messy divorces.

Ha!

'11 version of the same comments would probably take any three from addicted/recovering/divorced/clinically depressed/skint/prone to inappropriate gurning.

Was good while it lasted

pure_shaw wrote: i am renowned for dropping fire extinguishers off tier 3 at Eastlands. most of the hooligans i know had to sell their new order records to pay for messy divorces.

You probably know the answer to a question that's bothered me for a few years now pure shaw.

City Fans sing a song that uses the Viking Theme [the one NO used to come onto stage to] I think the words go:

"City, City

The greatest football fans in all the world."

[or something similar, only ever heard it on the tv]

How the heck, does something like this come about? The number of city fans that actually know this tune must be very small. I mean, your neighbours have "Giggs will tear you apart again", but that is a very well known song by comparison.

It's a real shame that Rob isn't around to hear that song being sung and to witness City's revival!

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

Agreed.. Load of old gubbins from another hemisphere.

Hemisphere? More like gubbins from another fucking dimension.

oops, sorry squires.....

i supposed the antipodean's view is pretty diffrent.

Maybe I'm in denial, never really wanted to be associated with hooligans & their trails of mindless destruction

Eeeerrmmmmmmmm.........would love tosay stoooooooooodant but I suppose I weren't that 'accademicly'? acceptable to my high school teachers but hey, ho, never mind , I think I'll say hoolie. It were a lot more fun..........

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote:

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

poisoned Snickers r yummy... wrote: I think hooligans/geezers started following New Order when Shellshock came out...and I believe at the point New Order became more of a public property, esp. then with BLT Pettibone mix, True Faith....

Prior to Shellshock, only arty/spotty/snobbish students/academics/communists types would be found tapping their feet to New Order. Can you imagine a typical hooligans bouncing to Thieves Lie Us..?? ..flat NO. Even these hooligans would adopt Blue Monday as their anthem..only in late 80s when Spike Island & all those rave parties started happening - not in 1983 when it first came out (probably due to similarity to that Divine's song out about same time scared the shit outta them...)

Of course hooligans' embrace of New Order continued with Fine Time...and then peaked with that football song.

Dunno what happen to these 'hooligans' type now but I believe all along the true dedicated New Order fan has been those academics/communists types.

..well, thats just my take..:)

I know its just your take but that is bollocks.

Leeds VYT, following New Order from the early days.

Agreed.. Load of old gubbins from another hemisphere.

Hemisphere? More like gubbins from another fucking dimension.

oops, sorry squires.....

i supposed the antipodean's view is pretty diffrent.

Maybe I'm in denial, never really wanted to be associated with hooligans & their trails of mindless destruction

It was anything but 'mindless' Snickers.

A lot of care and attention went into kicking the shit out of each other.

'Hooligans' weren't all 'knuckle dragging idiots' either.

Yer could meet teachers, solicitors, 'city boys', a real

cross section of society.

Things got a bit different when cctv [and video filth] came into the equation though.