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Just interested to know. Movement in my opinion is an OK album but my least favourite New Order album.
I never got into NO until Brotherhood so I was wondering what was the reaction like from any oldies on this board who had followed Joy Division and then New Order.
Obviously Closer was an out and out classic then Movement folllowed. Did you think NO would rise to the heights of JD again, as they did with there 2nd release PC&L.
in Manchester at the time of its release, myself and friends were 15/6 and we just grew up with the music from JD to NO. I don't remember any divisions, just progression after the sad event.
I had heard some of the tracks from the peel sessions and the celebration thing, as the voice had so clearly changed it was a difference , you wanted so much for them to succeed and you could feel the struglle , lots of tracks followed different directions, wheras the Joy division stuff flowed.
liked it a lot and still my most played New order album, Dreams never end is about my fave Order song.N.ME Review was poor, "and some poor sod will get movement for christmas"
no i wouldt have seen plc coming after this,(Bernards vocals had matured) but then closer was so different to pleasures.
as an aside my m8 worked in a music store on the Brew in stockport near to Strawberry, he sold wilson some guitar strings for Order whilst they were recording Movement.
to be given your sight.
I suspect Movement will always perplex post-Low Life fans, and be especially important to those into the band earlier.
Im not highjacking this thread but I'd like to say how much I wish I'd been old enough to have been there at the start. I was too busy being 8 years old and listening to Adam & The Ants. Pfft.
Gene wrote: Im not highjacking this thread but I'd like to say how much I wish I'd been old enough to have been there at the start. I was too busy being 8 years old and listening to Adam & The Ants. Pfft.
Yeah,I was a fan of Adam And The Ants at the time too,for about 6 months.. As for Movement,it sounds a lot better than a lot of other music from that time Still,and I think they moved on from that stage quite impressively with Every Things Gone Green and what followed...
Movement was their third album. Still was only released because a lot of bootlegs around. The break came with PCL.
Well I came to both bands long after 1981 when “Movement” was released, so my perspective is after the fact. But I did discover JD 1st and only listened to JD for a long time, before giving NO a serious listen. So in the light of that......my response kinda follows the thread.
So I started with “Ceremony/IALP”, then “Movement” and then the singles leading up to “PC&L”, and so on and so forth. To be honest, “Movement” is my favorite NO album. A classic.
All I can say about this is what I have talked with the old timers for these long 23 years as a fan. Movement is their NO's favorite album cause it is still very Joy Division.
david ball wrote: in Manchester at the time of its release, myself and friends were 15/6 and we just grew up with the music from JD to NO. I don't remember any divisions, just progression after the sad event.
That makes sense to me. That's how I thinking most people would see it. Just a natural progression.
chris Romero wrote.That makes sense to me. That's how I thinking most people would see it. Just a natural progression.
Hence "Movement"
If there's any album ever in the whole history of music that sounds infinitely better live then it's Movement
it sounded very depressed to me as you would probably expect. i loved closer not so keen on up and i never thought of movement as a jd album because ic wasn't on it. to be honest it was very hard to listen to at the time - i could hear a lot of sadness there. pc and l was a total but very pleasant surprise.in my opinion jd would have never made that album nor any of the ones that followed it.
I've said this numerous times in the past but if you listen to the songs from Movement produced better on the Peel Sessions then you know that these are absolutely remarkable tunes let down by Hannett's over production on the album itself. I believe most JD fans thought the same at the time.
ICB on the Peel Sessions is as good as anything JD did in my opinion. Colony on the Peel Sessions is outstanding too.
The Paradise Man wrote: I've said this numerous times in the past but if you listen to the songs from Movement produced better on the Peel Sessions then you know that these are absolutely remarkable tunes let down by Hannett's over production on the album itself. .
Seconded! Except DNE, the album version's better.
Movement has often been criticised for it's production, but it's not as simple as that. It's a mixture of some incomplete songs, lack of ideas and direction coupled with a producer who was affected by Ian death more than anyone. It took ages to record, bit's here and bit's there and it shows.
I've never bought into the idea that the Peel versions were better as IMO there is not a single track that JD/NO did with a different producer that sounded better than with Martin. That said, they offer a alternative, which is what Peel Sessions were all about.
I was too young at the time of release, but people I've spoke people since who said they found the album disappointing compared to Closer which is far enough as I regard it a one of the best albums ever made, so it's maybe an unfair comparison.
PC&L is where the band 'broke-free' and It's the only NO album that doesn't sound like a compromise. I love Barney nonsense lyrics and whole thing just works. Movement however has aged very well and is a very interesting, if not a total cohesive product.
The Paradise Man wrote: I've said this numerous times in the past but if you listen to the songs from Movement produced better on the Peel Sessions then you know that these are absolutely remarkable tunes let down by Hannett's over production on the album itself. I believe most JD fans thought the same at the time.
ICB on the Peel Sessions is as good as anything JD did in my opinion. Colony on the Peel Sessions is outstanding too.
Totally agree that the Peel sessions are far better and ICB is also my favourite track from the Peel sessions but sounds flat on Movement and too many strange noises for the sake of it
