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With Mancunians New Order about to play their first gig since 2006 (and their first ever without bassist Peter Hook), and news from back home announcing the reformation of another seminal Manchester band, the Stone Roses, it's only fitting that, on arrival in Paris, clouds are gathering and rain is beginning to fall.

New Order, the band that formed from the remains of Joy Division following the death of singer Ian Curtis in 1980, have been estranged before. The five-year absence that followed 1993's Republic was because, in their own words, "we were getting on each other's nerves" – and although a triumphant homecoming gig at the Manchester Apollo arrived in 1998, Hook eventually left the band in 2007. Sadly, it seems that too much murky water has passed under the bridge since for a full reunion to happen any time soon. This summer they gave separate interviews to promote a new compilation, Total: From Joy Division to New Order, but one thing was agreed: there was no way back for the original lineup. "Too many things have been said and done," said frontman Bernard Sumner.

Since the split, Sumner and drummer Stephen Morris have been playing with guitarist Phil Cunningham and bassist Tom Chapman in new outfit Bad Lieutenant, whose sound is not unlike latter-day New Order. But last month came the announcement that New Order were reforming without Hook but with fourth original member (and Morris's wife) Gillian Gilbert for benefit gigs in Brussels and Paris. With Chapman on bass and Cunningham on guitar, some fans have unkindly chosen to view this new lineup as Bad Lieutenant plus Gillian Gilbert rather than New Order minus Peter Hook.

Nevertheless, there is an air of expectation before the gig starts. At least half the crowd have travelled over from Britain, including past collaborators Neil Tennant from Pet Shop Boys and Ed Simons from the Chemical Brothers.

On stage, New Order are greeted like returning heroes, Sumner dressed in black and looking leaner than he has for a while. After the opening "Elegia", and before they're even halfway through "Crystal", he's already done his trademark dance: a skip on the spot, a punch of the air and a "Woo!". When Sumner does his dance that early you know you're in for a great gig.

Bad Lieutenant sets included several New Order and Joy Division songs, but tonight is pretty much New Order's greatest hits. From an upbeat "Regret" to an emotionally charged "Ceremony", the understated and underrated song that bridged Joy Division and New Order, they look and sound like a band rejuvenated.

"Age of Consent" is a rare live treat, and though it's nearly 30 years old it sounds fresher than ever. "Love Vigilantes" is arguably even stronger, the new lineup sounding remarkably tight behind Sumner. By the time they break into a pounding "Bizarre Love Triangle", Sumner has ditched his guitar and is relishing the frontman role. He prowls the stage looking half his 55 years. "I feel fine and I feel good," he sings, dancing from foot to foot, despite the oppressive heat.

A reworked and extended "True Faith" is perhaps the only dip, losing some of the charm of the original. But the reworking of "5-8-6" into a powerful, guitar-driven beast is a revelation, and "Perfect Kiss" is, well, perfect. They close with "Temptation", the stage bathed in green, and Sumner egging the crowd on to sing along.

Every fan has their own dream setlist, but they'd be hard pushed to beat tonight's selection. A crisp, driving "Blue Monday" is saved for the encore, Hook's original distinctive bassline slightly tweaked by Chapman, and they finish with "Love Will Tear Us Apart".

Any worries that the new New Order may look or sound like a tribute band are reassuringly allayed, though it's still odd to hear Hooky's distinctive basslines without the hirsute man himself onstage, legs apart, bass slung down by his knees.

The Roses reunion proves that bands should never say never, but for the moment, there's probably more chance of Morrissey and Marr reuniting, or Liam and Noel burying the hatchet, than the original lineup of New Order playing together again. As Ian Curtis wrote in tonight's closing song: "Resentment rides high, but emotions won't grow, and we're changing our ways, taking different roads, love will tear us apart."

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Which days Guardian was this in?

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Correction: It is actually in the Observer (print copy), but Guardian online. The Observer is effectively the Guardian's Sunday edition).

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Barney's 55, Stephen's 54, Gillian's 49. I don't know what English rock musicians do when they get really old. In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

The tragedy of British rock'n'roll is that musicians are compelled to perform the "rocking" music until they die (the Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Paul McCartney).

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Barney's 55, Stephen's 54, Gillian's 49. I don't know what English rock musicians do when they get really old. In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

The tragedy of British rock'n'roll is that musicians are compelled to perform the "rocking" music until they die (the Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Paul McCartney).

What if there are older rock stars that don't have interest in the genres you mentioned? Or don't have an interest enough to mainly play that kind of music? :confused2:. As an example, Ryuichi Sakamoto (of YMO) is 59 years old, but he hasn't given up on synths in his music. When YMO reunited under the Hasymo name (about 4 years ago---he would've been about 55 then), they made a song called 'Rescue'; that song was synth based. I highly doubt he's going to become a folk or gospel star, or abandon synths entirely just because he's nearly 60. Nobody demanded that he should do so, either. People shouldn't have to switch genres just because of their age. :nonono:

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leather_girl wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Barney's 55, Stephen's 54, Gillian's 49. I don't know what English rock musicians do when they get really old. In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

The tragedy of British rock'n'roll is that musicians are compelled to perform the "rocking" music until they die (the Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Paul McCartney).

What if there are older rock stars that don't have interest in the genres you mentioned? Or don't have an interest enough to mainly play that kind of music? :confused2:. As an example, Ryuichi Sakamoto (of YMO) is 59 years old, but he hasn't given up on synths in his music. When YMO reunited under the Hasymo name (about 4 years ago---he would've been about 55 then), they made a song called 'Rescue'; that song was synth based. I highly doubt he's going to become a folk or gospel star, or abandon synths entirely just because he's nearly 60. Nobody demanded that he should do so, either. People shouldn't have to switch genres just because of their age. :nonono:

New Order can go on making music until they are 70 for all I care! I am not ageist haha.

I LOVE Ryuichi Sakamoto! He is so cool! YMO were awesome and his solo stuff is great, and he is still cool today.

Also, look at David Byrne, still making records and touring, and he is in his mid 50's too I think.

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

Casual racist sterotyping aside, is it that clear cut? When, lets say, Jay-Z hits the big 6-0 will he look over at Beyonce and say 'Well B, thats it. I now have to retreat to the Blues. I say 'retreat', because, clearly, this current stuff is too scary for me".

Equally, I can think of no rock stars (and Im assuming you've decided they're all white) picking up a bible for inspiration. Or for that matter The Dukes Of Hazard on DVD.

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Barney's 55, Stephen's 54, Gillian's 49. I don't know what English rock musicians do when they get really old. In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

The tragedy of British rock'n'roll is that musicians are compelled to perform the "rocking" music until they die (the Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Paul McCartney).

Which planet are you on? I'd love to know... :crazy:

:smoking:

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The last Tom Jones album wasn't rocky...

So, in effect that whole diatribe was complete and utter tosh...

:smoking:

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If the members want to play or make music, I don't mind. Same for Hooky; I don't think they should have to change genres or instruments because of how old they are now.

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Okay, it seems to have gone wrong... It's not that clear cut, obviously but it's the options we have in America when you can't twist and shout anymore. I may think in older terms of 50s musicians here...

BTW, toss the blues, soul music would be more appropriate for the "younger" aging generation, no?

I just remembered Peter Hook musing how it would feel to play Transmission when you're 55; it seemed surreal even to him, back in 2000. In an interview a few days ago, Bernard and Stephen were both referring to the Rolling Stones and the "youth" game... They are acutely aware of the dilemma.

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Until he dies he will be....

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father jack wrote: dressed in black and looking leaner than he has for a while. After the opening "Elegia", and before they're even halfway through "Crystal", he's already done his trademark dance: a skip on the spot, a punch of the air and a "Woo!". When Sumner does his dance that early you know you're in for a great gig.

Bang on, he looked like he was loving it. It's hard not to enjoy a gig when it's like that.

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Missy Jem wrote:

father jack wrote: dressed in black and looking leaner than he has for a while. After the opening "Elegia", and before they're even halfway through "Crystal", he's already done his trademark dance: a skip on the spot, a punch of the air and a "Woo!". When Sumner does his dance that early you know you're in for a great gig.

Bang on, he looked like he was loving it. It's hard not to enjoy a gig when it's like that.

What you said Jemima. Can't recall the last time I saw Bernard so joyous. In fact they all looked like they were having the time of their lives. Freed from the tension of intra-band warfare they seemed rejuvenated.

Peter Hook should leave more often.

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: Barney's 55, Stephen's 54, Gillian's 49. I don't know what English rock musicians do when they get really old. In the USA blacks can always retreat to blues; rock stars can turn to country'n'western, folk or gospel.

The tragedy of British rock'n'roll is that musicians are compelled to perform the "rocking" music until they die (the Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones, Paul McCartney).

yes & elvis costello is still knocking out new wave stuff too isn't he? he isn't? oh.

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Wait a moment, why shouldn't musicians retire at a certain age? My family all retired between the ages of 55 and 62, and they were all healthy and had office jobs and could have gone on dragging through them.

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