In the Hands of the Lawyers
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Fuckin ell. As much as I love Hooky, if he's grieved, should he not let this go? It doesnae do him any favours and is turning quite a lot of his fanbase against him......as you can see from quite a few people and their posts on this site.
We all know Joy Division ended when Ian died, I'm glad now we know that it all started with the birth of Peter Hook.
"I'm doing the Joy Division book now, I'm two thirds of the way through it and it'll be out in September. It's called Inside Joy Division. It begins with my birth and it ends with Ian dying."
Can't we just have two New Orders? Keep everyone happy?
You know, like there's two Beats?
We could have Peter Hook's New Order, and Barney, Stephen, Gillian and Phil's New Order.
Job done.
Ha - thought this was gonna be about Hooky getting shirty with Disney - I mean blasphemous alterations to iconic album covers really aren't on, are they? 
Snorri xxx
El Jarvo wrote: Can't we just have two New Orders? Keep everyone happy?
It worked for Buck Fizz for a while. Whats the difference nowadays?
El Jarvo wrote: Can't we just have two New Orders? Keep everyone happy?
You know, like there's two Beats?
There were three "The Byrds" at one point. And at least two Boney Ms.
I don't see what Hooky actually has to gain by involving the lawyers. If he kills off the name New Order, he just pisses off even more of the people who once used to follow NO round the country to watch the band he was part of and pay his fooking wages by buying their albums.
lowlife wrote: I don't see what Hooky actually has to gain by involving the lawyers. If he kills off the name New Order, he just pisses off even more of the people who once used to follow NO round the country to watch the band he was part of and pay his fooking wages by buying their albums.
I seriously don't know what he's trying to achieve here? Has he got a leg to stand on, stopping them using the name? He publicly left the band, so the rest of them just want to carry on. There's doesn't appear to be any legal reason for them not being New Order, unless I'm missing something obvious. It's not like he was the principle songwriter, so he can't block them on that score.
Even if he does win, they're only going to tour as 'From New Order' or 'New Order Now' or summat and I don't see how it'll change their plans one iota?
Fans have already voted with their feet at the gigs last year. Hooky should take that on board. I hope this doesn't end up pointlessly costing him money.
Is there any proof that the other members cannot continue under the name New Order? That is, he might have a case if this was agreed in NO (if he, or any member leaves the name is gone scenario) His stance of 'change the band name if/when one member leaves' would make more sense if that applied to the lineup without Gillian (Get Ready to WFTSC era) as well.
Hooky quit NO, they didn't split up and now contain as many original members as they did during the Get Ready-Sirens Call years when he was happily performing under the name.
He's just a sad bitter man and this is the latest ill advised move on his part. Doubt it will stop NO from using the name, but will just alienate him further from fans.
Didn't Roger Waters try this with Pink Floyd in the 80s? Tried to stop them from using the name; he was the principal songwriter as well... but lost anyway.
It sounds like he's taking advice from his lawyers rather than full blown court proceedings which would cost a mint. Unless there's a specific document somewhere legally stating that New Order cannot exist without Peter Hook or his express consent I don't really see how he can win this one.
Plus if such a document or stipulation existed I doubt the other three would have gone on the road with the name in the first place; last year's "comeback" seemed to be meticulously planned.
As I say, it sounds like he's running it up the flagpole with his lawyers and they will tell him whether or not he's got a case. If he's advised against it by a lawyer only someone very very misguided and with lorryloads of disposable income would pursue a court action.
his lawyers wont be able to stop them going on as new order but he'll get more money from the residuals as compensation.
its all about the money at this stage.
you were standing in the courtroom when i saw your face i couldnt look at you i guess i knew it but i never realised that theres no proof and im down and all alone with the baselines i dont own you can take that away and with every pound i waste, your lawyer says i have no case, new order lives another day
and i was touched by the hand of lawyers i never knew it what aload of toss
effect return wrote: its all about the money at this stage.
What do you mean "at this stage"? 
Snorrimon wrote: Ha - thought this was gonna be about Hooky getting shirty with Disney - I mean blasphemous alterations to iconic album covers really aren't on, are they?
Snorri xxx
getting shirty good work
hibster wrote:
Snorrimon wrote: Ha - thought this was gonna be about Hooky getting shirty with Disney - I mean blasphemous alterations to iconic album covers really aren't on, are they?
Snorri xxx
getting shirty good work
Thanks for noticing... It was an off-the-cuff remark...
Snorri xxx
NotAMod wrote:
effect return wrote: its all about the money at this stage.
What do you mean "at this stage"?
yes good one.
i should have done law in uni.
Boring Boring Hooky
He's Bluffing or whats that smell, no not horse, no not chicken.
Yep defo Bullshiting.
I can understand why Hooky is upset but it does appear to be a case of bruised ego more than anything else. The rest of New Order appear to have the right to do what they are doing just as he does with The Light without being slagged off. Personally I like both but it is certainly true that the current New Order are not the same force without Hooky. He was probably the major factor that made them stand out. It is sad the way things have turned out but then, much as I love them I wish New Order never existed if you catch my drift.
Hooky,
You and Ian are my heroes but stop doing this with your ex-band mates. 
Let the sun shine. 
BigDipper wrote: I can understand why Hooky is upset but it does appear to be a case of bruised ego more than anything else. The rest of New Order appear to have the right to do what they are doing just as he does with The Light without being slagged off. Personally I like both but it is certainly true that the current New Order are not the same force without Hooky. He was probably the major factor that made them stand out. It is sad the way things have turned out but then, much as I love them I wish New Order never existed if you catch my drift.
The trouble seems to be the name "New Order". If they continued as Bad Lieutenant we wouldn't hear so many complaints from Hooky as now. 
Would he mind if his ex-band mates only play New Order's songs or albums calling themselves Bad Lieutenant? I think he would.
This is cuckoo! Circumstances are different this time anyway, Hooky is very much here and making his presence felt, unlike when Ian left. It's not like the same respect is due. New Order is not Hooky's band in the same sense that Joy Division was identified with Ian.
Even if he succeeded in getting an embargo, which seems unlikely, they would still be referred to as 'the artists formerly known as New Order' whatever their new name. It would be a hollow victory.
Thought this thread was going to be about Disney.
I just don't get it
It's got to a point now where I'm genuinely concerned that Hooky is obsessed, I do understand that if something has been a part of most of your adult life that it can't be easy to move on, but it really can't be good for his health.
I hope he can find a way to let this go and enjoy what he is doing now and in the future.
