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Their seems to be a close connection between GR's 'Touch My Feet ' and 'Bake Me A Cake' from PC&L. The latter was by far my personal favourite NO song of all time (a bold statement indeed), but TMW is praying on my mind like a pigeon nibbling at seeds thrown onto the floor like discarded rubbish. I can no longer declare LMA as my outstanding choice, as TMW is as good ... if not better!

Both songs are stripped down to the bare bones: Barney without effects, simple melodic guitar riffs, unassuming yet powerful drum patterns, a strong and unnerving lyric, and of course, a Hooky line to hang your socks on. Both songs are, in essence, simple and beautiful pieces of music. After the debacle that was The Republican I never envisaged they would engage in another song similar to work from 1983, but they have embarked and indeed released such things again. (Incidentally, Mr. Disco's verse melody is also in the outstanding category for much beautiful vocal on a NO record).

Is anyone else under this spell, has anyone else, turned this way? - or am I very much alone in this opini-onion, best left very much alone?

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Originally posted by Huntsman Their seems to be a close connection between GR's 'Touch My Feet ' and 'Bake Me A Cake' from PC&L. The latter was by far my personal favourite NO song of all time, but TMW is praying on my mind like a pigeon nibbling at seeds thrown onto the floor like discarded rubbish. I can no longer declare LMA as my outstanding choice, as TMW is as good ... if not better!Both songs are stripped down to the bare bones: Barney without effects, simple melodic guitar riffs, unassuming yet powerful drum patterns, a strong and unnerving lyric, and of course, a Hooky line to hang your socks on. After the debalce that was The Republican I never envisaged they would engage in another song similar to work from 1983, but they have embarked and indeed released such things again.Is anyone else under this spell, has anyone else, turned this way? - or am I very much alone, best left alone?:hat:

ermm...

only got one thing to say...

BILLY CORGAN! (insert suitably disgusted smiley pic here!!!)

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Originally posted by Huntsman Their seems to be a close connection between GR's 'Touch My Feet ' and 'Bake Me A Cake' from PC&L. The latter was by far my personal favourite NO song of all time (a bold statement indeed), but TMW is praying on my mind like a pigeon nibbling at seeds thrown onto the floor like discarded rubbish. I can no longer declare LMA as my outstanding choice, as TMW is as good ... if not better!Both songs are stripped down to the bare bones: Barney without effects, simple melodic guitar riffs, unassuming yet powerful drum patterns, a strong and unnerving lyric, and of course, a Hooky line to hang your socks on. Both songs are, in essence, simple and beautiful pieces of music. After the debacle that was The Republican I never envisaged they would engage in another song similar to work from 1983, but they have embarked and indeed released such things again. (Incidentally, Mr. Disco's verse melody is also in the outstanding category for much beautiful vocal on a NO record).Is anyone else under this spell, has anyone else, turned this way? - or am I very much alone in this opini-onion, best left very much alone?:hat:

Ask yourself: which one would Frodo prefer?

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He seems to have caused much consternation to the United States members, if you like, he seems to be their answer to Robbie Williams in the naff stakes ... but for me even Brian Corkscrew adds a vital ingredient to the powerful potion.

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I think Frodo would prefer songs from PC&L but only because his ears are too hairy. i.e. he (it / a rabbit) is unable to decipher correct frequencies and thus guesses most of his (her / the) music as stored on his (animal) homemade bookshelf located at the rear of the (his/her/its) hutch.

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Turn My Way VS. Leave Me Alone?

are you serious? Leave Me Alone by 100 miles....TMW is a load of crap in comparison....absolutely no need for Billy Corgan....

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Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid Turn My Way VS. Leave Me Alone?are you serious? Leave Me Alone by 100 miles....TMW is a load of crap in comparison....absolutely no need for Billy Corgan....

correctamundo. It's probably not possible to more correct than correctamundo.

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You seem to have stirred up a ruckus here, Huntsy.

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Leave Me Alone wins in a landslide victory over Turn My Way. We will have to weigh these two against each other 15 years from now and see in TMW can stand the test of time - Leave Me Alone has stood the test and come through with an A.

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Originally posted by Wolfmann Leave Me Alone wins in a landslide victory over Turn My Way. We will have to weigh these two against each other 15 years from now and see in TMW can stand the test of time - Leave Me Alone has stood the test and come through with an A.

I'd give it an A+

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Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Wolfmann> Leave Me Alone wins in a landslide victory over Turn My Way. We will have to weigh these two against each other 15 years from now and see in TMW can stand the test of time - Leave Me Alone has stood the test and come through with an A.

I'd give it an A+

Yeah, you are probably right!

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Turd Ma Wey is fookin' shite of the worst Balti variety, and should never ever be considered as worthy of being played on the same guitars as Lend Me A Fiver.

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There are SO few NO songs that I think are worthless. Turn My Way is cool, but it won't hold water over the test of time. It doesn't mean that I don't like it.

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From my very humble point of view, TMY is a classic. It even makes Cuntcorgan's voice listenable, wich is no small feat!

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So there's me and George on this one? - I'm happy that so many LMA fans of emerged but the joy is tinged with sadness. So many negative comments on TMW.

Makes me feel sad.

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Well, H, after head-to-head listens, I'm afraid I remain where I was yesterday; Trim My Beard is a good song, but Leave Me A Lone Wolf is in an entirely different class.

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Lone Wolf McQuade?

Well I too have played again Trip My Wire and it does send several shivers down my spine. A new category has evolved in my own mind as follows ...

NO award for most outstanding achievements to date in a category labelled 'bitter sweet': Tap My Shoe Grow Me a Plant Monsieur Discotheque Protest March Dream Boat

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I agree that the shiver test is the absolute best way to judge; Leave My Lean-To gives me shivers from beginning to end every time. Trim My Nails gives me maybe one every other listen.

Protest March? Have I heard this song?

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Yes sir, found initially on an album specifically released in the US.

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Is there any end to this?

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Originally posted by Mr Disco Is there any end to this?

What do you define as the end?

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When there's no room to move...

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There's always room to move Disco - logically and laterally.

Are you a follower of your namesake? - verse is superb. Never got away with the chorus which is a shame as the synth parts are excellent.

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Originally posted by Mr Disco Is there any end to this?

What is "this"?

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Originally posted by Mr Disco When there's no room to move...

There is no end to this. I can't Turn My Way another listen Give, it hurts me and drives me more insane There is no room to move Down the front when they play Songs that shone on PCL especially number 8 It's mattered now since '83 Get Ready track will subside No matter what you say Huntsy It's Leave Me Alone, every time

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SUPERB.

Absolutely superb.

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Originally posted by Huntsman There's always room to move Disco - logically and laterally.Are you a follower of your namesake? - verse is superb. Never got away with the chorus which is a shame as the synth parts are excellent.:hat:

Mr Dancing Feet has always been a close personal favourite of mine as has the aforementioned Proto-Sessional Session.

I've always wondered why the Holiday Programme don't use Master Dancing Horse as a theme tune as it expertly advertises favourite vacation destinations.

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Originally posted by Huntsman SUPERB.Absolutely superb.:hat:

Does this mean you've been won over by the chorus of disagreement?

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No I'm not sure about the central theme anymore. I'm quite taken back by the staggering lack of support for TMW, especially after much declarations of wonderment upon the release of GR.

I'd say TMW ranks alongside LMA and Mr. Discount + Procession and Day Dreamer now. The choice wasn't mine, it was made for me by NO intake alone. I'm never swayed ... especially by popular opinion.

Disco - Mr. Discount is a very sad song so I can't see the holiday people rushing to include it on the credits of their shows?

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Not even with Gloria Hunniford gyrating in the background?

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Mmmmm ...

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Originally posted by Huntsman No I'm not sure about the central theme anymore. I'm quite taken back by the staggering lack of support for TMW, especially after much declarations of wonderment upon the release of GR.I'd say TMW ranks alongside LMA and Mr. Discount + Procession and Day Dreamer now. The choice wasn't mine, it was made for me by NO intake alone. I'm never swayed ... especially by popular opinion.Disco - Mr. Discount is a very sad song so I can't see the holiday people rushing to include it on the credits of their shows?:hat:

It's not a lack of support for TMW; it's just a feeling that LMA is MUCH better. There's plenty of good stuff on GR: Vicious Streak, Close Range...

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TMW truly outstanding, I can accept it's my opinion and not others. I'm surprised, that's all.

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9 out of 10 cats prefer TMW...

whereas 4 out of 5 dogs prefer LMA...

go figure?!

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what you should have done was take TMW and put it up against another MIDDLE OF THE ROAD song with some fucking wanker ruining the entire vibe like......hmmmmm.....thankfully NewOrder didn't SELL OUT and use phonie rock stars to try to boost album sales in the past but any of their Half-Assed efforts would have spawned more cheers for TMW...try TMW vs. Sub-Culture 12"....what do they have in common?.....the annoying sound of a high-pitched BITCH needlessly tossed in the mix....

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Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid what you should have done was take TMW and put it up against another MIDDLE OF THE ROAD song with some fucking wanker ruining the entire vibe like......hmmmmm.....thankfully NewOrder didn't SELL OUT and use phonie rock stars to try to boost album sales in the past but any of their Half-Assed efforts would have spawned more cheers for TMW...try TMW vs. Sub-Culture 12"....what do they have in common?.....the annoying sound of a high-pitched BITCH needlessly tossed in the mix....

Yowza, that's harsh

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Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid what you should have done was take TMW and put it up against another MIDDLE OF THE ROAD song with some fucking wanker ruining the entire vibe like......hmmmmm.....thankfully NewOrder didn't SELL OUT and use phonie rock stars to try to boost album sales in the past but any of their Half-Assed efforts would have spawned more cheers for TMW...try TMW vs. Sub-Culture 12"....what do they have in common?.....the annoying sound of a high-pitched BITCH needlessly tossed in the mix....

He ain't wrong you know !

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Well, I still believe Turn My Way is the best song on Get Ready, and I'm sure this won't change over time, since I heard that song the first time, I've played it so many times, I never got bored, I still sing to it.

Something that might help, I like Billy Corgan..

I'm still convinced this song would have been a hit single if released in the US, but I now know there are idiots in record labels who prefer to release Britney's 6th single over a decent track of one of UK's best band.

I just can't see why that happened, unless Mr Corgan asked them not to release it..

It sounded horrible live I must admit though..

Leave me Alone is, with Your Silent Face, my best song on PCL.. comparing them is like apple and oranges.. You can't compare a song from 1983 and 2001. I'm quite sure Leave Me Alone would sound a lot better if they would re-record it.

But that's the type of songs New Order didn't do much, they are both quite good songs.. the music on both is simply amazing...

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come on, Primitive Notion is the best thing on Get Ready by a mile......

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Well, everyone has a favorite on this album, so go figure..

I like Primitive Notion, but IMHO, it's not ahead of Turn My Way and Crystal.. and there would be a debate in my head to find what's next!

But well, that's a good thing, most album these days have 50% (if not more) of crap, even for fans.. so if people find that Rock The Shack is the worst song on the album, this means it's a very good album!

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Originally posted by Spotnick Well, everyone has a favorite on this album, so go figure..I like Primitive Notion, but IMHO, it's not ahead of Turn My Way and Crystal.. and there would be a debate in my head to find what's next!But well, that's a good thing, most album these days have 50% (if not more) of crap, even for fans.. so if people find that Rock The Shack is the worst song on the album, this means it's a very good album!

No, it's Slow Jam that's the worst!

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Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Spotnick> Well, everyone has a favorite on this album, so go figure..> > I like Primitive Notion, but IMHO, it's not ahead of Turn My Way and Crystal.. and there would be a debate in my head to find what's next!> > But well, that's a good thing, most album these days have 50% (if not more) of crap, even for fans.. so if people find that Rock The Shack is the worst song on the album, this means it's a very good album!

No, it's Slow Jam that's the worst!

Oh no it's not!

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Originally posted by ShugZV©
> Originally posted by Patrick> > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > Well, everyone has a favorite on this album, so go figure..> > > > I like Primitive Notion, but IMHO, it's not ahead of Turn My Way and Crystal.. and there would be a debate in my head to find what's next!> > > > But well, that's a good thing, most album these days have 50% (if not more) of crap, even for fans.. so if people find that Rock The Shack is the worst song on the album, this means it's a very good album!>

No, it's Slow Jam that's the worst!

Oh no it's not!

Oh yes it is!

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I like both TMW and LMA but for different reasons.

TMW works really well with MALE harmonies for once, instead of some over-polished 'gospel' style backing vocal, as in 'Subculture', 'State Of The Nation' etc.

LMA works so well within the context of PC&L, as it's N.O. stripped down (urrggghhh, what a thought!) to the bare minimum - makes them all, especially Barney, seem really vulnerable and well, erm, alone.

I think TMW will be a track that we (even those who don't seem to like it at the moment) will all look back on fondly in years to come.

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I can safely say that I will never ever like Turn My Way. More like Turn My Stomach to these ears. It just isn't what New Order sound like to me!

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How can you don't like Hooky's bass on that song? Plus the melody is quite good.

Ah well, fortunatly for New Order, their fans have different tastes, but I must admit, looking back, Get Ready is a very good album that I never got bored of listening...

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Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes I can safely say that I will never ever like Turn My Way. More like Turn My Stomach to these ears. It just isn't what New Order sound like to me!

Which bit of New Order's bass, drums, guitars and singing on TMW doesn't sound like New Order?

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The overall feel. I must admit that Corgan doesn't help, it would be marginally acceptable without his whining girly Alan Ball on helium tones.

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Primitive Notion is the best song on the album, definitely. Rock the Shack is probably the worst song they've ever done.

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Originally posted by DAVID STEARSMAN Primitive Notion is the best song on the album, definitely. Rock the Shack is probably the worst song they've ever done.

Didn't we have all these arguments a year or so back?

Crystal, by the proverbial mile. So there.

Can't say I mind RTS - the Lamacq version is infinitely better than its album sibling, though.

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Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by DAVID STEARSMAN> Primitive Notion is the best song on the album, definitely. Rock the Shack is probably the worst song they've ever done.

Didn't we have all these arguments a year or so back?

I don't know. I wasn't a member yet.

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I doubt the RTS debate will ever go quietly.

I guess some people like TMW and some don't. Personally it is the atmosphere of the song I like, to me it's perfect NO - them at their most vulnerable and honest.

Jarvo Crystal kicks a great many backsides but there is always a place for slower numbers provided the intensity is as active.

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as most of you have heard me say once or twice...

I absolutely love RTS... TMW...not a bad song at all...

but that's my opinion...and we all know the story about opinions...right???

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Personally, I think the mark of TMW's greatness is the fact that you barely notice the loathesome Corgan's presence at all. I think it's wonderful, and why it wasn't the second single instead of 60MPH I'll never know.

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Dont' want to sound too clichéd here but I think that one of the most fascinating things with New Order (and with good music in general) is how their most devoted fans can love them, and their songs, for a so great variety of reasons.

In fact, it would be very difficult to name NO's best songs. What I could do is name the songs that speak the louder to me.

Although I love Leave Me Alone for instance, and understand the ol' Huntsmate point of view, it's not up there with my all time favorites.

I guess it has to do with your very inner self, something you can't really discuss, although IT IS interesting to discuss...

Am I clichéd or am I clichéd ?

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Turn My Way should've been a single here stateside, Corgan's appearance would have boosted it in the alternative charts at least. Great missed oppertunity, you wankers at London/Warners :nono:

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Originally posted by Buster Klumpy Dont' want to sound too clichéd here but I think that one of the most fascinating things with New Order (and with good music in general) is how their most devoted fans can love them, and their songs, for a so great variety of reasons.In fact, it would be very difficult to name NO's best songs. What I could do is name the songs that speak the louder to me.Although I love Leave Me Alone for instance, and understand the ol' Huntsmate point of view, it's not up there with my all time favorites.I guess it has to do with your very inner self, something you can't really discuss, although IT IS interesting to discuss...Am I clichéd or am I clichéd ?

Not one of your all-time favorites, Klumpy? I'm so disappointed to hear that!

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Well, Patrick, it's one of their best, and it would be on my compilation tape but... there's songs that move me even more...

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Originally posted by Buster Klumpy Well, Patrick, it's one of their best, and it would be on my compilation tape but... there's songs that move me even more...

What are some of the ones that move you more, BK? LMA is unquestionably the single NO song that moves me the most, every time I hear it (or even think about it).

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Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Buster Klumpy> Well, Patrick, it's one of their best, and it would be on my compilation tape but... there's songs that move me even more...

What are some of the ones that move you more, BK? LMA is unquestionably the single NO song that moves me the most, every time I hear it (or even think about it).

Age Of Consent Leave Me Alone - great lyrics Your Silent Face - can't be beat Elegia - haunting repetative and beautiful Sunrise - awesome everything! Procession - great lyrical tones Murder - nice guitar and bass Vanishing Point - simple keyboard line is so right

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Age Of Consent, Temptation, BLT, Run...

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...Love Vigilantes, Way Of Life...

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