I realise that's unhelpful, counter-productive and ungrateful. But hey I feel better for getting that off my chest! 
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and the spammers found the new forum :\ohwell:
maybe we leave them the new one and stick with the old one?
spammers will get on any forum sadly. i dont think setting up a new forum will make the slightest difference.
maybe we need more modulators?
I suppose the problem is you don't want too many mods (spoiling the broth and what have you), but if you just have a few they can't be expected to clean everything up all the time... There is probably an answer, but will take some ingenuity to implement... 
Can't get used to smilies on the new forum! 
Snorri xxx
NO Regret wrote: spammers will get on any forum sadly. i dont think setting up a new forum will make the slightest difference.
Plenty of forums operate spam-free. The reason NOOL is so badly affected at the moment is because it operates an archaic registration process which is easy to exploit. The new forum's signup procedure is not strong enough either because (as far as I can see) it's not that much more secure than this old one right now.
Adding more mods is not the solution besides who can really be arsed mopping up passport spam all day long? I know I couldn't. The offending "members" producing the garbage need their accounts to be deactivated and the registration process beefed up with extra security.
The logical suggestion would be add an easy New Order related question to the validation process as well as making moderators approve accounts before anyone's allowed to post for the first time. They use account approval on JD Central and the Doves forum so why we can't do it on here is a mystery. It would not only take care of the spam bots but also some of the nastier trolls NOOL has seen over the years.
NotAMod wrote:
NO Regret wrote: spammers will get on any forum sadly. i dont think setting up a new forum will make the slightest difference.
Plenty of forums operate spam-free. The reason NOOL is so badly affected at the moment is because it operates an archaic registration process which is easy to exploit. The new forum's signup procedure is not strong enough either because (as far as I can see) it's not that much more secure than this old one right now.
Adding more mods is not the solution besides who can really be arsed mopping up passport spam all day long? I know I couldn't. The offending "members" producing the garbage need their accounts to be deactivated and the registration process beefed up with extra security.
The logical suggestion would be add an easy New Order related question to the validation process as well as making moderators approve accounts before anyone's allowed to post for the first time. They use account approval on JD Central and the Doves forum so why we can't do it on here is a mystery. It would not only take care of the spam bots but also some of the nastier trolls NOOL has seen over the years.
Agreed.
NotAMod wrote:
NO Regret wrote: spammers will get on any forum sadly. i dont think setting up a new forum will make the slightest difference.
Plenty of forums operate spam-free. The reason NOOL is so badly affected at the moment is because it operates an archaic registration process which is easy to exploit. The new forum's signup procedure is not strong enough either because (as far as I can see) it's not that much more secure than this old one right now.
Adding more mods is not the solution besides who can really be arsed mopping up passport spam all day long? I know I couldn't. The offending "members" producing the garbage need their accounts to be deactivated and the registration process beefed up with extra security.
The logical suggestion would be add an easy New Order related question to the validation process as well as making moderators approve accounts before anyone's allowed to post for the first time. They use account approval on JD Central and the Doves forum so why we can't do it on here is a mystery. It would not only take care of the spam bots but also some of the nastier trolls NOOL has seen over the years.
Agreed, a better sign up procedure would improve things. otherwise your just gonna get spammers migrate from old forum to knew.
in fact, i would say that the new forum is far more secure. i registered and cant even log in now
It's hard to adapt to the revamp and the change - it's so annoying that we have had to be driven to this sort of extreme though. I mean, this forum has been our lifeblood for so long that it will always feel strange and unfamiliar to switch to a completely new arrangement after this one has been serving the community for so long now it's cosy like a favourite armchair or pair of old slippers - something you can just flop into after coming back from work.....
Seems odd now that both forums are up, half the traffic is here and there and half is nowhere, can't get a proper discussion going.
The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come ack to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
I think they have gone because their memberships were booted off the site. And they haven't come back because no new members have been allowed to sign up on these "old" forums. I don't know how prolific the sign-up rate is these days. If it's low, then i wonder if each new member could email a moderator (or an address that the moderator accesses) and be approved on an individual basis. The mods might have something to say about that though...
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come ack to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
They've only "gone" because the original spammer accounts were disabled by Spotnick and he also suspended the entire registration process for these forums.
So yes, the spam is gone but no new members can join either.
I agree with you though and the new forums need just a little more work. They were seemingly just set up in the most basic manner and then promptly abandoned. I thought it was going to be a work in progress for a number of weeks with input from the "community" to make it a credible replacement for here. A wee bit disappointing.
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come back to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
yEAH let's just STAY here..why do we need any NEW members?there are enough NUTTERS here already.Let the NEW ones sign up to NUTS site.JOB DONE!
SHED wrote:
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come back to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
yEAH let's just STAY here..why do we need any NEW members?there are enough NUTTERS here already.Let the NEW ones sign up to NUTS site.JOB DONE!
somewhat a closed door approach, but most fans of the band are already on here, I'm sure there's not many genuine new member requests, maybe they could be done via email request?
But Spotnick went to a lot of trouble setting up the new forum so to just walk away from it seems a little ungrateful.. 
On the other hand it is good to see that things are back on track here.. 
New Order played a gig in Newcastle last night and there has been hardly a word about it.:\ohwell:
SHED wrote:
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come back to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
yEAH let's just STAY here..why do we need any NEW members?there are enough NUTTERS here already.Let the NEW ones sign up to NUTS site.JOB DONE!
Hmm dont know if thats flattery or not Sir Rocket? 
Are you saying all the spammers and wierdos are welcome on my forum?
Its a bit weird that since the new forum was set up nobody seems to post on either very much.
Me either, but Im not sure why
SHED wrote:
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come back to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
yEAH let's just STAY here..why do we need any NEW members?there are enough NUTTERS here already.Let the NEW ones sign up to NUTS site.JOB DONE!
Hmm dont know if thats flattery or not Sir Rocket?
iNDEED nIC HAS DONE A fine job with the NEW forum.So let the NEW members sign there then and we can stay here.Seriously though i know that this has become a PROBLEM and if change is needed then so be it.Again thanks to NIC and all the moderators in the past who did a sterling job.Onwards and UPwards.Tally HO
SHED wrote:
Jed Stephens wrote: The spammers seem to have gone, can we all just come back to this? I can't get used to the new forum.
yEAH let's just STAY here..why do we need any NEW members?there are enough NUTTERS here already.Let the NEW ones sign up to NUTS site.JOB DONE!
Hmm dont know if thats flattery or not Sir Rocket?
Beware NUTS the Rocket is heading to your NEW forum.I have a question on FAC 53.
I know its a thankless task being a mod. and i appreciate their efforts in setting up an alternative site.
BUT..I dont like it, it wont accept my log in details, theres hardly any posts on there, and the shed songs are rubbish.
so im in the red corner (bring back this old site!)
Urgh. we have 2 new order sites but i cant use either!!
on this one if I click on FORUMS it takes me to the new forum.
on the new forum i dont know my password or user name. But I know my display name. and you cant get a password reminder if you dont remember your user name.
crap, crap, crap!
The new forum only recognizes me half the time. When I sign in, half of it is in Chinese. Not helpful.
A bit of a do here!
I too had problems logging into the new site and then all of a sudden it accepted my login and password.
Also, I found that if you click on the relevant Digital Republic, Ceremeny Forum etc forum on the left of the page after you have logged in as normal (not the banner one across the top) you get all the old threads etc there.
Yeah, me to disappointed in the two not really linking well but at least the spammers have gone. I'm sure the Mods will find a way to resolve the indifferences here eventually so more than happy to flit between the two.
After an initial burst of effort, it's all descended into a bit of a shambles really. It's possibly even worse than before because now the userbase is now split between two bloody forums and the new "spam-proof" one was covered in spam itself a week ago.
The whole project shouldn't really have been started if there was no will to complete it. Ironically, New Order are in the middle of their busiest year in forever really, just completed a big (for them) UK tour and this place is completely dysfunctional. Existing fans aren't sure which forum to use and newer fans wanting to register must wonder what the fcuk is going on.
Oh well, business as usual then.
NotAMod wrote: After an initial burst of effort, it's all descended into a bit of a shambles really. It's possibly even worse than before because now the userbase is now split between two bloody forums and the new "spam-proof" one was covered in spam itself a week ago.
The whole project shouldn't have been started if there was no will to complete it.
Oh well.
sounds like those dodge Warner Bros remasters. they started them but couldnt be arsed to see it through.
i just tried making a poll about this forum debate. and guess what? it didnt work. so instead of a nice little forum with loads of spam activity, i now find TWO bloody forums, neither of which work!!!
NO Regret wrote:
on this one if I click on FORUMS it takes me to the new forum
Then how did you post that?
I think you're just making it up
Genetic wrote:
NO Regret wrote:
on this one if I click on FORUMS it takes me to the new forum
Then how did you post that?
I think you're just making it up
No Im not making it up, thank you.
if i click on "FORUMS" along the top bar, it takes me to the new forum.
I could only post by clicking on one of the latest threads listed on the home page.
But somebody kindly suggested a work around. CLick on the forums in the left margin.
NotAMod wrote:
NO Regret wrote: spammers will get on any forum sadly. i dont think setting up a new forum will make the slightest difference.
Plenty of forums operate spam-free. The reason NOOL is so badly affected at the moment is because it operates an archaic registration process which is easy to exploit. The new forum's signup procedure is not strong enough either because (as far as I can see) it's not that much more secure than this old one right now.
Adding more mods is not the solution besides who can really be arsed mopping up passport spam all day long? I know I couldn't. The offending "members" producing the garbage need their accounts to be deactivated and the registration process beefed up with extra security.
The logical suggestion would be add an easy New Order related question to the validation process as well as making moderators approve accounts before anyone's allowed to post for the first time. They use account approval on JD Central and the Doves forum so why we can't do it on here is a mystery. It would not only take care of the spam bots but also some of the nastier trolls NOOL has seen over the years.
Well at least there is a captcha, so machines will have a harder time. But there is also the moderation feature that I didn't enable, which requires mod to validate messages (I assume we can do this only to new users)
Can't do miracles, but in terms of security it's an upgrade, and it is a HUGE upgrade in easing the job of the moderators.
Major reason that was a problem is the lack of power of moderators to ban/suspend users. Althugh the last attack couldn't have been prevented by anything other than something preventing you to post more than 1 message every x minutes, I believe the new forums have that.
NO Regret wrote:
Genetic wrote:
NO Regret wrote:
on this one if I click on FORUMS it takes me to the new forum
Then how did you post that?
I think you're just making it up
No Im not making it up, thank you.
if i click on "FORUMS" along the top bar, it takes me to the new forum.
I could only post by clicking on one of the latest threads listed on the home page.
But somebody kindly suggested a work around. CLick on the forums in the left margin.
I did respond to your comment on this previously - though maybe you couldn't see it. Instead of clicking forums (which does indeed bring you to the new ones) you type in this web address for full access to the old forums: http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums. Nic did also explain this previously.
Anyone know what won the New Order Cup, please?
I must've missed the final.
And the semis.
And the quarters.
El Jarvo wrote: Anyone know what won the New Order Cup, please?
"Liar" walked it and to celebrate London Records are putting out a triple 12" vinyl set full of backing vocal acapella remixes.
I put your name down for two copies
Theres been a dispute on the use of name for the cup and its been taken to court.
meanwhile the cup itself is idlely rusting away in someones old shed
Andy wrote: The new forum only recognizes me half the time. When I sign in, half of it is in Chinese. Not helpful.
Now corrected. Thank you Nic.
El Jarvo wrote: Anyone know what won the New Order Cup, please?
I must've missed the final.
And the semis.
And the quarters.
Sooner Than You Think v Mr Disco
The Perfect Kiss v Sunrise
Age of Consent v Procession
Everything's Gone Green v Round and Round
All The Way v Temptation
Leave Me Alone v Lonesome Tonight
Ceremony v Thieves Like Us
True Faith v Turn
El Jarvo wrote: Anyone know what won the New Order Cup, please?
I must've missed the final.
And the semis.
And the quarters.
Temptation...
El Jarvo wrote: Anyone know what won the New Order Cup, please?
I must've missed the final.
And the semis.
And the quarters.
NO Regret wrote: kill the new one i vote for.
If you want a vote it'll have to be on here - no one can start a poll on the new site! 
Snorri xxx
Snorrimon wrote:
NO Regret wrote: kill the new one i vote for.
If you want a vote it'll have to be on here - no one can start a poll on the new site!
Snorri xxx
There is a poll. New forum or old forum.
You wont have to look to far down the threads. its about 4 days old but still half way down page one (unheard of back in da day).
Kelvin Owers wrote: BRING THESE OLD FORUMS BACK FROM THE DEAD!!
PLEASE!
There isn't much happening on the new forums,bloody typical,New Order are back and the forums are dying a death and yet while the band were on ice there was far more activity on here..
The fans are as contrary as the band.. 
Ive given up with the new site. It never remembers my log in details. I cant remember my password. I never receive the emailed reminder. And i cant be arsed to set up for a 3rd time.
So im sticking with this site. Ive lost interest in the cup but if theres any decent shed stories then i hope they get posted on here still.:)
cranelane wrote:
Kelvin Owers wrote: BRING THESE OLD FORUMS BACK FROM THE DEAD!!
PLEASE!
There isn't much happening on the new forums,bloody typical,New Order are back and the forums are dying a death and yet while the band were on ice there was far more activity on here.. The fans are as contrary as the band..
Maybe we're just all talked out for the moment; I mean how many times can we rehash the Barney-Hooky feud?
I miss reading all the Light tour dates that Jack posts which Im never going to go to.
Purely for logistical reasons of course.
I didn't even know these forums were still running, I automatically get directed to the new one now :( anyway, now that I have found a way round that I'm stuck looking at both of course.... this one being definitely way better than the new one.
confusion wrote: Nick, can you stop this forum, please? It doesn't make sense to have two forums.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Andy wrote:
confusion wrote: Nick, can you stop this forum, please? It doesn't make sense to have two forums.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
You have to ask the right questions to find the solution.
