New Order: a marvellously unexpected rebirth

Bernard Sumner and Gillian Gilbert reflect on Joy Division, Peter Hook and 30 years of chaos Link

Cranelane wrote: Bernard Sumner and Gillian Gilbert reflect on Joy Division, Peter Hook and 30 years of chaos Link

Thank you!

Great read! Thanks for that!

"To boil it down to its basic elements, if someone's horrible a lot of the time, you're not sad when they're gone, you're glad. He wasn't happy in the band – primarily with me but also, it seems, with almost everyone. If you're unhappy, OK, fine, but go away and do something else and don't bitch about us anymore."

That about sums it up, Well said bernard.

effect returned wrote:

"To boil it down to its basic elements, if someone's horrible a lot of the time, you're not sad when they're gone, you're glad. He wasn't happy in the band – primarily with me but also, it seems, with almost everyone. If you're unhappy, OK, fine, but go away and do something else and don't bitch about us anymore."

That about sums it up, Well said bernard.

Agreed!

leather-girl wrote:

effect returned wrote:

"To boil it down to its basic elements, if someone's horrible a lot of the time, you're not sad when they're gone, you're glad. He wasn't happy in the band – primarily with me but also, it seems, with almost everyone. If you're unhappy, OK, fine, but go away and do something else and don't bitch about us anymore."

That about sums it up, Well said bernard.

Agreed!

Go Barney Go

"Can't help feeling Rob Gretton - had he lived - would have been the glue that held the feuding parts together. On a bad night, New Order could be messy. On a great night - and I've been lucky enough to see a few - they were simply unassailable. As Joy Division and New Order, much if not most of their greatest music came about through jamming and improvisation. The chemistry between the members produced moments of magic - a riff, a rhythm - which were then built upon and honed in the live situation. Temptation was originally an electronic instrumental, before Bernard added words at Bradford University and their future beckoned. In later years, perhaps as relationships have struggled, the chemistry which produced those songs in this way has audibly not been the same and songs have been written more conventionally, and debuted live as fully-formed tunes. I can't see that chemistry or that old process coming back now with or without Hooky, but the back catalogue - especially up to and including Technique - is one heck of a legacy."

Some interesting comments on the article which are worth reading including this insightful one by Dave Simpson...

I love how any New Order article in the guardian always has comments like this: 'While I loved Joy Division, I never really got New Order.'

Cheers for the link a really ood interview. Its good in their senior years they are enjoying themselves, long may it continue

steven wrote: I love how any New Order article in the guardian always has comments like this: 'While I loved Joy Division, I never really got New Order.'

Hahaha!

Cranelane wrote:

"Can't help feeling Rob Gretton - had he lived - would have been the glue that held the feuding parts together. On a bad night, New Order could be messy. On a great night - and I've been lucky enough to see a few - they were simply unassailable. As Joy Division and New Order, much if not most of their greatest music came about through jamming and improvisation. The chemistry between the members produced moments of magic - a riff, a rhythm - which were then built upon and honed in the live situation. Temptation was originally an electronic instrumental, before Bernard added words at Bradford University and their future beckoned. In later years, perhaps as relationships have struggled, the chemistry which produced those songs in this way has audibly not been the same and songs have been written more conventionally, and debuted live as fully-formed tunes. I can't see that chemistry or that old process coming back now with or without Hooky, but the back catalogue - especially up to and including Technique - is one heck of a legacy."

Some interesting comments on the article which are worth reading including this insightful one by Dave Simpson...

That was the 80s, they weren't even like that by the 90s (yes, twenty years ago) let alone more recently.