Hooky to Play Movement & PCL Live in Janaury 2013

I read the news yesterday on the NME site and Im still shocked. I cant believe it. I wasnt expecting this. He shouldnt be doing this. It wont the same whitout Bernards vocals.

I know the comment on the link on the first post was from a cut and paste job, but the whole “go on to New Order and annoy Bernard even more.” shtick is sounding more than a bit sad - is Bernard annoyed that him and the rest of New Order are doing shows around the world while Hooky is playing "very special venues that have been hand picked" i.e. places in the UK that they can only expect to sell a few hundred tickets to punters?

I'm not 100% up on the royalty rights to playing songs live that other people have written, but will Bernard (and Stephen, and Gillian) also be annoyed at getting paid for Peter and The Light performing the songs that they have co-written live?

Don't get me wrong, I've met Peter and found him perfectly decent but this whole thing about getting one up on Bernard is starting to become a bit desperate, he's full of his legal action shtick when New Order start touring, but how would he feel if they decided to do the same to him touring Movement and PCL?

Jack wrote: At the end of the day I think a lot of this is just getting personal now and I'm not gonna get into an argument with anybody. The bottom line is that yes some people aren't into the things we're doing, but yes some people are... Just as you have some people that like 'NewOrderNow' and some people that don't... Different strokes for different folks and that's what makes the world a wonderful place. If we were all the same then it would be a pretty boring place wouldn't it.

PS:

markreed wrote: It would be like seeing "Jason Newsted sings '.... And Justice For All.

Stranger things have happened mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQjehHvJlQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fy5D_5ijkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCYCcUJhq0Q

Bollocks Jack, your petty New Order Now is boring - its New Order without Peter Hook and they are pulling big crowds wherever they play. And the some people do like New Order and don't is 90% in favour which has shocked Peter. People don't forget and his initial comments re its like Queen without Freddie are not forgotten and have made him look pretty silly.

Like everyone else I had a lot of time and respect and I too have met Peter, but he has fucked me and a lot of other people off with his antics and has probably robbed us all of seeing the original New Order including Gillian ever again.

I was lucky enough to see JD twice - so I will not come and see a light show as I have seen the original just like I won't come and see you wreck Temptation as again I have seen the original and the most recent gigs without the original bass player.

Jack wrote: At the end of the day I think a lot of this is just getting personal now and I'm not gonna get into an argument with anybody. The bottom line is that yes some people aren't into the things we're doing, but yes some people are... Just as you have some people that like 'NewOrderNow' and some people that don't... Different strokes for different folks and that's what makes the world a wonderful place. If we were all the same then it would be a pretty boring place wouldn't it.

PS:

markreed wrote: It would be like seeing "Jason Newsted sings '.... And Justice For All.

Stranger things have happened mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQjehHvJlQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fy5D_5ijkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCYCcUJhq0Q

In those cases, Jason either a) hadn't left the band or b) the singer couldn't sing due to injury or c) he guested amicably with the band after leaving. Also Jason sang 1-2 songs per show to rest James voice as Metallica sets were often over 3 hours. Jason didn't take off and launch his own rival tours a couple of years after quitting. It's a false equivalence.

It is interesting that none of the points raised or criticism levelled is actually tackled. I understand the whole "I' don't wanna argue" position. But when a LOT of people think this is a, to put it politely, unwise idea, it might be that a) they're right and b) the mood of the public isn't with you. Also, I'm not sure these performances can logically be defended as artistically valid. I'm sure many of the people who go to the gigs will have a great time. But to me, that's like fucking your ex. It may feel good. But it's not necessarily right.

Then again, some things do feel great that aren't necessarily wise. As I have said many times before, write/release/tour new music and I'll be there supporting it. Become a tribute act to yourself and I won't. There seems to be a huge blind spot around Camp Hooky regarding how other people interpret these shows and how this tarnishes the Hook brand. JD I understood : there is no JD. NO albums? There's already one New Order. This is more like "Robbie Williams Sings Take That & Party". Many people are joking that Hook will be touring Electronic, The Other Two, or Bad Lieutenant.

No one owns these songs : not Hooky, Barney, or anyone. They belong to us as well. These songs are our memories : not just yours. These songs are part of our lives as well. And we care what happens to them.

I read the news yesterday and I'm still shocked. I can't believe it. I wasn't execting this at all. He shouldn't be doing this. It won't be the same without Bernard's vocals.

markreed wrote: No one owns these songs : not Hooky, Barney, or anyone. They belong to us as well. These songs are our memories : not just yours. These songs are part of our lives as well. And we care what happens to them.

Awesome point, mate!!

RE Jason Newsted singing Metallica... relax man I was only being a bit frivolous..!! [eek3] Jeez.

Look, of course everyone's entitled to a say and an opinion about all of this and if that's negative then that's fine, the vibe on here is overwhelmingly negative in which case I don't see any point in me being here and getting drawn into pointless arguments... As I'm obviously going to be defending my own father to the hilt... which I hope people would understand... So it's just daft. The people that are interested in what we do know where they can find us on Facebook etc and I hope those people do enjoy the shows if they come down, as I've seen a few on here are thinking of doing. The rest of the band are fantastic players who will put everything into making it sound good. I won't be posting on here again, cheers.

Jack wrote: At the end of the day I think a lot of this is just getting personal now and I'm not gonna get into an argument with anybody. The bottom line is that yes some people aren't into the things we're doing, but yes some people are... Just as you have some people that like 'NewOrderNow' and some people that don't... Different strokes for different folks and that's what makes the world a wonderful place. If we were all the same then it would be a pretty boring place wouldn't it.

May I make a minor correction? The New Order Now name would refer to their website, or their Twitter account name @newordernow, and not their band name. Apologies if you disagree, but I know I'm not the only one who knows the band name to be 'New Order'---- and not 'New Order Now', or even 'New Odour' as I've heard a certain other person say. Please feel free to disagree with the band name, after all, I guess I'm just someone behind a keyboard.

I was referring to the Twitter name, not the band name, and I really am going now haha :)

Jack wrote: RE Jason Newsted singing Metallica... relax man I was only being a bit frivolous..!! [eek3] Jeez.

Look, of course everyone's entitled to a say and an opinion about all of this and if that's negative then that's fine, the vibe on here is overwhelmingly negative in which case I don't see any point in me being here and getting drawn into pointless arguments... As I'm obviously going to be defending my own father to the hilt... which I hope people would understand... So it's just daft. The people that are interested in what we do know where they can find us on Facebook etc and I hope those people do enjoy the shows if they come down, as I've seen a few on here are thinking of doing. The rest of the band are fantastic players who will put everything into making it sound good. I won't be posting on here again, cheers.

Thanks

Jack wrote: I was referring to the Twitter name, not the band name, and I really am going now haha :)

OK. 😎

I'm still wondering is Hooky planning to sing the PC&L songs or will Pottsy be drafted in?

Cranelane wrote: I'm still wondering is Hooky planning to sing the PC&L songs or will Pottsy be drafted in?

Will from Re:Order and Tim from Joy Revision are auditioning as we speak! 😈 😄

M1 wrote: If you guys were doing the 'Best of Hooky' - some NO / JD tracks in which his performance was pivotal, plus the highlights from Revenge, Monaco and even Freebass...

Id fucking love that although I cant think of a Freebass song Id like to hear again.

NotAMod wrote: In all seriousness, now that he's announced his intention to play all the albums before he gets too old to do it...

... when are the Republic shows pencilled in for? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss, it is a New Order album after all.

I have a hard time imagining The Light doing renditions of "World" or "Liar". Or maybe it'll just be the "classic" Factory era LPs?

Just genuinely wondering how playing all of New Order's albums is gonna work in practical terms.

I have a hard time imagining Hooky singing the songs Bernard did, because their voices are so different.

Will be funny seeing Mr. Hook singing the village

Laughed out loud at some of the comments on here.

You put it out there, you cannot expect everyone to provide an unending light of optimism.

The only reason we post here is because we care. I think, in my opinion, its more the unapologetic and brazen approach of fuck it, we don't care what you think, we're doing this anyway which is alienating key parts of the fanbase.

No one is saying they want Hooky to fall flat on his face and play to empty rooms. Every decision a musician makes, the fans will have an opinion on. Disagreeing with the artist is not always negativity. We will not be quiet or apologise for our opinions so as not to offend other people.

I am quite surprised though, if Camp Hooky, weren't self-aware enough to expect some people to think touring the old New Order albums might not be controversial. It was never my attention to drive Jack away. But one of the things I am proud of here is that it isn't a obsequious love in of ceaseless praise.

markreed wrote: Many people are joking that Hook will be touring Electronic, The Other Two, or Bad Lieutenant.

All joking aside, I wouldn't mind hearing Hooky & The Light having a go at the Electronic albums, as it's not like Bernard & Johnny are ever going to do it! The first Electronic album was really good & it would be really interesting to hear Hooky do songs like "Get The Message" & "Tighten Up" etc. Also, their 3rd album, "Twisted Tenderness" was less electronic & more guitar-based, so this would be right up Hooky's street.

Not so sure about the Other Two albums though!...

Booked me tickets. Any chance to hear Movement songs done live again is OK with me.

Well i love Movement and the two songe Peter played at Buxton were damm ace sounding so thats ok by me.. PCL Great album , New order moving on and Bernard "discovering " his niche singing voice, can Hooky pull that one off,? well get me ticket and dance down the front.These are great songs and not to be consigned to the archives.

Leave me alone.

I've got my tickets too.

The way I see it, we've got two bands playing the music we want to hear and playing it well. I was dead against the whole Hooky plays Joy Division thing to begin with but, having seen them perform Still at The Factory this year, I've been converted. If they can give us powerful renditions of Movement and P,C&L then I'm all for it.

Whilst I'm a little dubious about the motives, I do believe that Hooky does genuinely love performing live... it's just a dreadful shame that he can't be doing it as part of New Order.

I got mine too.

And Tim's.

And Gary's.

👍

DJFairborne77 wrote:

markreed wrote: Many people are joking that Hook will be touring Electronic, The Other Two, or Bad Lieutenant.

All joking aside, I wouldn't mind hearing Hooky & The Light having a go at the Electronic albums, as it's not like Bernard & Johnny are ever going to do it! The first Electronic album was really good & it would be really interesting to hear Hooky do songs like "Get The Message" & "Tighten Up" etc. Also, their 3rd album, "Twisted Tenderness" was less electronic & more guitar-based, so this would be right up Hooky's street.

Not so sure about the Other Two albums though!...

Will never happen though as that is wholly owned by Bernard and Johnny Marr

Coops wrote:

M1 wrote: If you guys were doing the 'Best of Hooky' - some NO / JD tracks in which his performance was pivotal, plus the highlights from Revenge, Monaco and even Freebass...

Id fucking love that although I cant think of a Freebass song Id like to hear again.

Agree, would enjoy that as well.

NotAMod wrote: In all seriousness, now that he's announced his intention to play all the albums before he gets too old to do it...

... when are the Republic shows pencilled in for? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss, it is a New Order album after all.

I have a hard time imagining The Light doing renditions of "World" or "Liar". Or maybe it'll just be the "classic" Factory era LPs?

Just genuinely wondering how playing all of New Order's albums is gonna work in practical terms.

Surely he will take things one step at a time, maybe the January gigs are a way of testing the waters before taking that show on the road..

As for Republic, here is a quote by Hooky on the album itself which suggests it's pretty low on his list of priorities...

Republic in particular was Bernard’s vision of what he wanted New Order to sound like. And the rest of us gave up, to be honest. That’s why Get Ready sounded more to me like a New Order record than Republic ever did.

Although I could imagine him doing Regret and Avalanche...

Quite honestly I don't understand why everyone's so up in arms about all this. Ever since the Light became a full-time project Hooky's publically toyed with the idea of doing all his albums and both Movement and Power Corruption and Lies have been specified. Movement should be fairly plain sailing as he sang a quarter of it first time round (including its only boner - tee hee - fide classic), they've already played some live this year and Bernard's vocals had yet to become inimitable. And yeah, PC&L/Temptation are potentially risky - maybe that's why they haven't announced a full tour? - but we said that about UP and I've yet to read a crap review. I'm sure musicians of this calibre wouldn't tackle an album of such status unless they knew they could do it justice. So yeah, I'm up for it. Come back to Rome, boys! PS Republic isn't QUITE as bizarre a prospect as it first appears. Remove Avalanche which is ultimately The Other Two and exactly half the songs were played on the '93 tour (Regret, RIAD, World, Ev Ev, Special). And while Hook's low is the final mix he probably had more to do with the pre-Hague versions, plus he spends most of the gigs singing rather than playing. In fact singing and playing bass around it may be paradoxically just right for him! PPS I fucking hate Republic, especially Liar.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Quite honestly I don't understand why everyone's so up in arms about all this. Ever since the Light became a full-time project Hooky's publically toyed with the idea of doing all his albums and both Movement and Power Corruption and Lies have been specified. Movement should be fairly plain sailing as he sang a quarter of it first time round (including its only boner - tee hee - fide classic), they've already played some live this year and Bernard's vocals had yet to become inimitable. And yeah, PC&L/Temptation are potentially risky - maybe that's why they haven't announced a full tour? - but we said that about UP and I've yet to read a crap review. I'm sure musicians of this calibre wouldn't tackle an album of such status unless they knew they could do it justice. So yeah, I'm up for it. Come back to Rome, boys! PS Republic isn't QUITE as bizarre a prospect as it first appears. Remove Avalanche which is ultimately The Other Two and exactly half the songs were played on the '93 tour (Regret, RIAD, World, Ev Ev, Special). And while Hook's low is the final mix he probably had more to do with the pre-Hague versions, plus he spends most of the gigs singing rather than playing. In fact singing and playing bass around it may be paradoxically just right for him! PPS I fucking hate Republic, especially Liar.

Completely agree. Many people on this board (inc me) have seen reorder so why can't hooky sing the new order albums. Ultimately going to a gig is about having a good time. I go to lots of gigs and the light is ALWAYS a great night out. I,ve got my tickets for manchester and I know hooky wil put his heart and soul into this. We,ve never had it so good in years with all this new order related activity. I like anyone else would sooner they were all friends but that is just not going to happen.