Hooky on NO: 'If we sat down and got over the emotional part, we'd be able to sort it out"

On the basis of what I have read :

Revenge and Electronic both had a promo budget and advance circa £1m. Revenge tanked and sold about 14 albums. Electronic ruled the world. Tony Wilson decided that, rather than pay Barney the Electronic royalties, to offset against the loss of Revenge and not pay Barney, they're both New Order anyway.

Come 1993, and Barney quite rightly wants his cash : the royalties which were not paid by Wilson.

Come the London deal, BS gets a larger deal as a result with Hooky taking reduced royalties to compensate for the missiing £1,000,000. For some reason, come 2006, I imagine the deal has not been renegotiated. That's my understanding. Could be totally wrong mind you, but it's called "showbusiness" for a reason.

More, if you can take it

Bernard always used to say that one of our big problems was that I was a lark and he was a wren.

This is one of the problems with New Order. When you're not drinking, you have no escape.

I thought, when I was recovering, that people would go out of their way to help me. The sad state of the world was, nobody gave a f*** and everyone carried on as normal.

Is that defamation, saying he had a deckchair?

As Pete Saville said to me last night, "I wish there was a grown-up." But there isn't.

As George Herbert said "Living well is the best revenge". Hooky take note.

Biginoil wrote: More, if you can take it

You forgot this one -

I used joydiv.org, which had a list of the gigs. Once we transcribed that list and went through it all, I noticed that some of them were wrong. My book contains the actual, right gigs.

Old Monkey will be up in arms!

He also says that the highest point of being in Joy Division was a gig where he managed to smack 12 people with his headstock while the rest of the band played on and ignored the fact that people were spitting at Ian. You might laugh at this, surely writing the bassline to Atmosphere trumps this as a moment in time?

He also talks about taking on a bouncer at a Light gig recently. Both remind me of the New Order gig in Liverpool where Hooky did his best to sort out the knuckle-headed security who spent the night ineptly and aggressively spoiling it for everyone. Chucking people out for dancing, shining their maglights into everyone's faces. Relentless inspection of tickets. Cunts. Barney totally ignored him and carried on with the gig which felt a bit disloyal. I really wish the band had walked off that night, it would have been the right thing to do. Maybe the security would have calmed down so they could come back on or maybe we could have just torn the place to pieces like we wanted to. I'd already picked the two morons I was going for. Saying that, I'm glad they stayed because it was the best I ever saw Hooky play. I'm listening to the recording right now. That anger seems to come out in his playing and he looked like a man possessed. Listen to him roar during Ceremony. Best of all, he caught one of the bouncers a peach with his headstock as he walked past bothering people. That was the biggest cheer of the night and our sign that it was okay to go down the front after all. I actually turned to my girlfriend and said "we can down the front now, Hooky says it's okay".

I've never seen or heard anything like it and , sad as it might sound, Hooky was my hero that night. He was there for us when nobody else seemed to care.

I'm going to get into a fight in Mexico and see if Tom is there for me like that.

EDIT: I'm not really.

From this review that was posted in the Ceremony forum

Yet, from start to finish, nothing about this show felt like a cash-in tribute to their former selves – which is a lot more than can be said for Hook’s outfit the Light, an ensemble of nobodies that has toured more than once on the reputation of Joy Division, reviving both Unknown Pleasures (1979) and Closer (1980) at L.A. venues over the years, despite Hook being its only genuine member. That’s the thorniest among many issues separating the bassist from his New Order mates.

just thought id throw it in...

Gazman wrote: From this review that was posted in the Ceremony forum

Yet, from start to finish, nothing about this show felt like a cash-in tribute to their former selves – which is a lot more than can be said for Hook’s outfit the Light, an ensemble of nobodies that has toured more than once on the reputation of Joy Division, reviving both Unknown Pleasures (1979) and Closer (1980) at L.A. venues over the years, despite Hook being its only genuine member. That’s the thorniest among many issues separating the bassist from his New Order mates.

just thought id throw it in...

Interesting...

so we're not the only ones moaning about what's he doing (well, the majority on here anyway).

I haven't read all of this thread, but going by the title alone, I think it's gone way beyond that. If I was going through the courts to settle some dispute with an old friend/colleague, there would be no way it could just be forgotten about afterwards and live happily ever after .... the damage this time must surely be permanent.

Gazman wrote: From this review that was posted in the Ceremony forum

Yet, from start to finish, nothing about this show felt like a cash-in tribute to their former selves – which is a lot more than can be said for Hook’s outfit the Light, an ensemble of nobodies that has toured more than once on the reputation of Joy Division, reviving both Unknown Pleasures (1979) and Closer (1980) at L.A. venues over the years, despite Hook being its only genuine member. That’s the thorniest among many issues separating the bassist from his New Order mates.

just thought id throw it in...

The guys goes as far as to suggest Hooky's playing style is easy to pull off. I wonder why no one ever came close to writing as many good lines, then? 😕 There's a reason Bernard acknowledges his quality even in the middle of this feud.