Surprise: Lost Sirens release date changed again.

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New Order "The Lost Sirens [LP + CD] [VINYL]" Estimated arrival date: November 21 2012 - November 26 2012

Still holding out for not listening to it until i have the vinyl to play on my record deck, old school not hearing a New Order record til i've actually got it like i did with Brotherhood in 86. What are the chances of me holding out and not clicking til i've actually got the vinyl? lol

just had this email from recordstore A date has been set by the Record label but this has not been forwarded to retailers as yet, as soon as we know your order will be dispatched accordingly.

is there hope!!!!!

Does anyone really give a shit anymore?

I mean, really?

El Jarvo wrote: Does anyone really give a shit anymore?

I mean, really?

Not me! I want some more UK gigs

when Rhino records and Neworder.net put the offical date then it will be released, Don't trust the other sites,They are probably still planning what single to relese and probably some remixes with it, it would be nice to hear a nice remix for hellbent also.

NotAMod wrote: I think we would be incredibly lucky to get a single and/or remixes at this point.

"Hellbent" was never properly a single, it was just a 1 track CD-R to promote "Total".

It wasn't even a standalone digital release.

I'd be happy with the album and that's all, I really think that's all we'll get at this late stage.

What is it with remixes ? remix this and remix that, fluffy duffy puffy marsh mellow bollocks brick wall mix - all shite

look on the brightside, still says 2012. but 66 days till 2013.

Digi Mike wrote: Not me! I want some more UK gigs

Maybe they'll do one in support of this?

Or maybe/certainly not.

NotAMod wrote: I think we would be incredibly lucky to get a single and/or remixes at this point. ... I'd be happy with the album and that's all, I really think that's all we'll get at this late stage.

Bang on.

Digi Mike wrote:

What is it with remixes ? remix this and remix that, fluffy duffy puffy marsh mellow bollocks brick wall mix - all shite

Agreed, why are people so obsessed with remixes, a remix of Hellbent? Now that would be opening the gateways of Hell..

NotAMod wrote:

I wouldn't say people are "obsessed" with remixes but they tend to be liked by those who are fans of dance/electronic music.

For a band of New Order's stature in electronic music that's not an entirely unsurprising thing.

Some remixes are good, some are admittedly shite and some have even improved on the originals; Krafty and Jetstream are good examples.

Personally, I'd rather the band do proper "song" B sides but as Lost Sirens is an outtakes album in the first place we clearly won't get that.

If someone like Richard Morel did an extended version of Hellbent I wouldn't say no to it, he's got good form in that area.

Taking Krafty as an example, The Glimmers removes some of the melodic elements and guitars and Hooky basslines and stretches the track out but can hardly be called an improvement.

The Phones Reality remix is fine for the first 60 seconds and then becomes (to me) unlistenable.

The Andy Green remix is close to the original with an added keyboard flourish but isn't radically different so for me the Krafty single release would have been far more interesting if it had just the Andy Green version accompanied by a different song (maybe an instrumental)

I could never muster up the enthusiasm to listen to the various mixes of Jetstream so I can't comment on whether or not any of the different version have merit.

Krafty- Morel's Pink Noise Vocal mix is superb.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Krafty- Morel's Pink Noise Vocal mix is superb.

I'll check that one out... Right now I'm listening to Someone Like You Funk D'Void mix. it's started well but is it going to go anywhere...?

NotAMod wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

Digi Mike wrote: What is it with remixes ? remix this and remix that, fluffy duffy puffy marsh mellow bollocks brick wall mix - all shite

Agreed, why are people so obsessed with remixes, a remix of Hellbent? Now that would be opening the gateways of Hell..

I wouldn't say people are "obsessed" with remixes but they tend to be liked by those who are fans of dance/electronic music.

For a band of New Order's stature in electronic music that's not an entirely unsurprising thing.

Some remixes are good, some are admittedly shite and some have even improved on the originals; Krafty and Jetstream are good examples.

Personally, I'd rather the band do proper "song" B sides but as Lost Sirens is an outtakes album in the first place we clearly won't get that.

If someone like Richard Morel did an extended version of Hellbent I wouldn't say no to it, he's got good form in that area.

I do like some remixes, as I like a lot of dance/electronic music. I enjoyed the Felix Da Housecat mix of 'Here to Stay', and some of the remixes from the Republic era. Quite a few of the remixes of 'Crystal' were brilliant too.

leather-girl wrote:

I enjoyed the Felix Da Housecat mix of 'Here to Stay'

I lke that one also with it's different sequenced bassline, can't say the same for the scumfrog dub mix though..

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Krafty- Morel's Pink Noise Vocal mix is superb.

I'll check that one out... Right now I'm listening to Someone Like You Funk D'Void mix. it's started well but is it going to go anywhere...?

The Gabriel/Dresden mix takes me places!

Crystal Lee Coombs remix is great, not played it in years, got it on Vinyl. on Crystal 12" i think. on one of the 2006 12 x 12" at least

I like that Funk d'Void remix of Someone Like You better than the original. Same goes for the Tom Neville remix of Jetstream. The original, Get Ready album version of Crystal is for me the ultimate, although Lee Coombs comes close. The Biff and Memphis remix of Touched is what I'd call a real stoater. Some songs apparently lend themselves to remixing, others I just can't imagine remixed, eg The Perfect Kiss, Special, or Fine Time. I seem to have lost track though, I've never heard of Gabriel/Dresden and a few others already mentioned? I must investigate sometime. The Blue Monday Hardfloor and Confusion Pump Panel remixes deserve a mention, along with that very weird yet somehow compelling remix of BLT by Armand van Helden.

Morel's Pink Noise Remix of "Guilt is a Useless Emotion" is my favorite New order song period. I'm a big fan of electronic and dance music, a big part of my New Order fandom came from going back and realizing what pioneers they were and how much they influenced artists I liked later. They were one of the first bands to even have remixes, and while most 80s remixes are pretty terrible, I think they've had some great ones over the years and I'd love to see some remixes of the Lost Sirens tracks.

Here's a few others I love: Bizarre Love Triangle (Richard X Remix) Here to Stay (Felix da Housecat Remix) Confusion (Koma & Bones Vocal Mix) Everything's Gone Green (Cicada Remix) Jetstream (Richard X Remix) Krafty (The Passengerz Revolution Club Mix) Someone Like You (Murdok Remix) - Unofficial remix, but absolutely FANTASTIC True Faith (Morel's Pink Remix)

There's also a few remixes of Republic tracks and "Crystal" that I really enjoy, but the names are escaping me right now.

That Biff & Memphis remix of Touched that someone mentioned above i actually went through a phase of actually quite liking it. the poster called it a stoater but not sure if that's positive or negative, can't recall what stoater means but have a feeling it's a negative

the Glimmers Dub of Krafty, i love, it's kind of spacey

others include World Perfecto remix, always thought Oakenfold did brilliant job on that one, the thinking man's version of what Oakenfold did with U2's Lemon

Ruined In A Day the Ambient mix, can't remember who did that one but they did the intro to that mix at Reading 93

As in the Urban Dictionary, stoater = anything that is exceptional in quality - nothing to do with anything derogatory, or stoats for that matter, though if a person (as opposed to a thing) is referred as a stoater, somehow they are a fool or chancer - I haven't heard it used like that though. Been here too long, assuming these kind of words are known to everyone!

Others in no particular order - Sexy Disco Dub of World and the NO Mix of Regret. I always preferred the b side of World in Motion, though I forget if it had a name. True Dub (which may also be the Morning Sun remix?). 60 mph Supermen Lovers.

Sometimes it's a little odd to think that there are people who have never heard these songs, let alone the remixes. To who they are just a few seconds backing track on a tv documentary. I can't imagine what it must be like to be hearing say Ceremony for the first time now, would I be shazamming it to find out what it was?

seals wrote: As in the Urban Dictionary, stoater = anything that is exceptional in quality - nothing to do with anything derogatory, or stoats for that matter, though if a person (as opposed to a thing) is referred as a stoater, somehow they are a fool or chancer - I haven't heard it used like that though. Been here too long, assuming these kind of words are known to everyone!

ah stoater is positive? i see. i must have had the stoater when referring to a person which is negative in mind which made me think it's a negative

yeah thr World In Motion b side, think i'd say it's better than the a side. or maybe just different in a great way. Regret Fire Island, yep used to love that. First time i ever heard Regret on the radio in early 93 was that mix which Jo Whiley introduced as the new New Order single and for a week or two i though that was the actual main version til i heard the standard mix which i still recall sounded like Ceremony at the time though can't hear that at all now