What do you want the new album to sound like and what do you expect?

Hi guys, I'd like to see what everyone thinks about this. What the new album should be like and logically what it could sound like.

First off, Gillian's around this time, so maybe we'll get more of an earthy, synth-laced sound? I hope her vocals feature again. I remember reading I think it was a year ago that she'd been practicing and brushing up for a project that we didn't see the end of. and I for one quite enjoyed her voice and singing style on The Other Two's albums. Maybe she could have a verse, or some backing/support vocals, or an entire song even? Preferably not limited to one single word this time though. ('Faith' in Republic's Avalanche)

Next Tom and Phil are around. Now I hope this doesn't mean the album will have a Bad Loo feel to it as I don't care for the rock sound, both materialistically and musically. but maybe the music will be a bit more advanced since they'll want to have something to do on stage?

Peter's gone, but I hope the album isn't lacking his presence. Chuck in some bold, iconic Peter Hook-style basslines I say. Don't have them softly in the background like the last couple albums, I want to hear them loud and clear.

We all know New Order are together now as part of a reunion. They've done the reunion tour and freshened up the minds and hearts of long time fans. but will this be a reunion album? (If that's such a thing.) I hope it is. A rebirth of the New Order we know. Having some new sounds is great, it's the reason they're doing the album, but I hope there's a nice nostalgic helping to accommodate the world tour they did last year. I'd love to see everyone re-learn why they fell in love with the band.

Lyrically, they need to up the ante. No silly lyrics. Californian Grass, Dracula's Castle, Rock the Shack, Jetstream, Every Second Counts. None of that please. I hope there's more of a serious feel to the music and lyrics. Go back to the dark lyrics of lost love and being an outsider. Remember when NO was enjoyed by the goth community? No "old man" lyrics about waking up and going to work. That's not artistic enough. The dark lyrics along with the dancey rhythm conflicts so very well, in such an iconic manner that's hard to find these days. and please don't say "hey man" at all. I'm sure between the five of them, they can come up with something that isn't laughable.

I'd prefer if they lent more towards a British style than American. (Language, references, accents.) and there MUST be deadpan vocals, atleast on one track.

I think they should scrap everything from the past 20 years. Except maybe Bernard's Republic and Raise the Pressure style of singing. Aswell as the tweaks and new bits they've done in live performances. Love those. (Broken beats, loud glitchy synth sounds, etc.) And Barney's vocals MUST have reverb. If only just a little bit. I honestly think Lost Sirens would sound better if there was a bit on his voice there.

Maybe have varying degrees? Heaps on a couple tracks, just a little on others.

I hope the album overall has a varied feel to it.

A guest appearance or two would be nice, but only if the album is of decent length. (Though I'd make an exception on that for the Chemical Brothers since the last two collaborations were so sublime.) And I hope it is. Wouldn't it be great to have a big, 15-20 tracks? Even if there's an instrumental and a couple of interlude songs. Though I don't really expect to see that. (A big album)

With Steve I wish they have his classic JD, quick drums and cymbals sound on a few of the tracks. and of course other drum pad beats. I've read he collects old analog synthesizers. Repairs them and tinkers with them, and they apparently have interesting sounds because some of them are still half broken. I'd love to hear this kind of thing on the album. I really hope they enjoy themselves and experiment a little. (Aswell as getting a couple core tracks down, of course.)

For the overall sound, like I said before it'd be nice if it varied between new and old. If you listen to the latest Human League album for example, it has modern elements mixed with retro-sounding elements. It creates music that sounds fresh but can be listened to back-to-back with the old albums with little transition. I didn't really think that could be done before I heard that album. The Pet Shop Boys do something roughly similar aswell. If you listen to their latest album they have very modern sounding tracks, but then they spring an 80's sample on you and it just sounds great without taking too much away from the fact that it's a new song.

I say, if we wanted a CD that sounded like it was made by a new band with no knowledge or respect of the past, then we'd look into actual new artists. New Order are the pioneers of new wave as far as I'm concerned. and they should make use of that.

One last thing, I hope there's a slow song on the album. Like Vicious Streak or the opening verses of Californian Grass.

I hope this post doesn't just come across as a drunken rant to Santa Claus, but I'm glad to get this out there anyway.

Let us know what you want the new album to sound like. Be as vague or specific as you like.

If anyone knows what Phil & Tom are into EDM-wise, I'd like to see some light shed onto that.

Update: As I'm sure other people have said, only Bernard, Steve & Gillian will be recording the album. Chapman & Cunningham won't influence the album directly. So it's basically The Other Two with Barney.

very unimpressed with lost sirens and i hope that the new albun does not sound like bad lieutenant......with gillian back in the band ..do they really need phil cunningham now? or is it because bernard is too lazy...lol

Bernie will never ever let Gillian sing any song on a New order album m8!

If he can produce something like Raise the Pressure by Electronic I would be satisfied!

You don't want much do you, Sage? Bit wary when I hear they want to make a synth album as it calls to mind Guilt Is A Useless Emotion or Here To Stay which were both pretty flat and uninspiring for me.

The goth contingent used to follow New Order? Don't remember that.

And Julio, who's "Bernie" ?

1). Agree on better lyrics. Though not NO, my #1 irritant is Miracle Cure's, "And then one day later, I started to shave." WHAAAAAAT!?!?!?!?!?!?! 2). Solid, full sound unlike BL / NCAT. 3). A few songs synonoumous with the NO pre-Get Ready sound. 4). Saville cover.

Other than that, I am just happy they are doing it.

What do I expect if they actually make a new album as New Order? Maybe an extension of Sirens and Never Cry Another Tear. I assume a new album would be simple guitar songs with some backing keyboards, beats in the background of the mix, with rhyming cliche lyrics about some vague guy told from the second person. Maybe a few awkward attempts at mid 80s dance pop songs ruined with horrible female backing vocals.

Now would they have a producer driven album? In which a lot of the actual music is written/"played" by the producer, more like "Guilt Is a Useless Emotion" and more like Depeche Mode for example? To make a more "electronic" album, I think Bernard would need a lot of help at this stage in his career.

Lyrically, I think that Bernard needs some more introspective lyrics... he has done the "hey you, some guy there" songs to the point of self parody. Or Bernard could write an album full of hate songs about Hooky, that would be some real emotion. Bernard could write songs about Ian, Gretton, Wilson, Hooky, getting old, not getting laid enough, woman he fucked up with instead of fucking, self loathing, etc... a new album could be a rock opera about his life!

I think they need to up the synths simply to compensate for the lack of Hooky noise going on. Otherwise what is it? Bog standard guitar pop? 😴

Just a thought; they wouldnt get that new lad to make his bass sound like Hooky

Would they?

Coops wrote: I think they need to up the synths simply to compensate for the lack of Hooky noise going on. Otherwise what is it? Bog standard guitar pop? 😴

Just a thought; they wouldnt get that new lad to make his bass sound like Hooky

Would they?

I think Bernard is sick of that bass sound... he probably just wants a standard boring bass player buried back in the mix.

Nothing stopped Bernard and Steve from creating what they wanted as Bad Lieutenant but the results were not to my liking. No, not at all. So just changing the name back to New Order doesn't mean they miraculously will get more creative juices flowing. And that's the problem.

I'm one of the few who actually likes Sumner's lyrical primitivism of recent years. Yes, it's obtuse, but hey now... To be more introspective one has to have personal or relationship problems. It seems he's quite content with his life currently, which compels him to address lyrically another person who does have problems (hence, "hey you"...).

Let Tom write whatever he feels is appropriate for the songs. If it sounds like Hooky, well, so bloody what? If it sound sgood - thats what matter.

I really love Gillians voice - I think she's a far better singer than she gives herself credit for. Not that I'm trying to do Bernard out of a job mind. Would like her to sing more than she does at the moment. Will be interesting to see how a new album pans out

Thanks again wrote: You don't want much do you, Sage? Bit wary when I hear they want to make a synth album as it calls to mind Guilt Is A Useless Emotion or Here To Stay which were both pretty flat and uninspiring for me.

The goth contingent used to follow New Order? Don't remember that.

And Julio, who's "Bernie" ?

He's from Brazil Johnny, it explains a lot!

will sound like bad lieutenants second album

Digi Mike Le Creuset Binoche wrote:

Thanks again wrote: You don't want much do you, Sage? Bit wary when I hear they want to make a synth album as it calls to mind Guilt Is A Useless Emotion or Here To Stay which were both pretty flat and uninspiring for me.

The goth contingent used to follow New Order? Don't remember that.

And Julio, who's "Bernie" ?

He's from Brazil Johnny, it explains a lot!

Fortunately, I am from sunny Brazil ya engleeich old bastard!

This is Bernie!

It will be bad lieutenant with extra synth and less bass.

I think they might make heavy electronica type of album. It's kinda tricky because that bass sound is very much their signature sound. If they're going to reinvent themselves I think we will be hearing a bit less of that in the future.

To make an electonic record they are going to need some help. Again a it's bit tricky. Will they make a retro sounding album that would appeal to the fanbase or will they try and do something a bit fresh and up to date?.

I think the next album should be somewhere in between. They need to bring people in who know what NO are all about and also understand dance music. Stuart Price is one name but I think it would be interesting if someone like Hot Chip's Joe Goddard got involved. I would like NO to produce it but these guys could help them find their groove.

JoanneB wrote: I really love Gillians voice - I think she's a far better singer than she gives herself credit for. Not that I'm trying to do Bernard out of a job mind. Would like her to sing more than she does at the moment. Will be interesting to see how a new album pans out

when is it coming out?

I personally cannot wait to add the new album to my growing collection of new order albums.

UpDownTurnAround wrote: It will be bad lieutenant with extra synth and less bass.

Is it possible to have less bass than Bad Loot? [eek3]

neil larkcom wrote: will sound like bad lieutenants second album

Lost Other Tears?

Would love to hear Gillian's voice more in this next one.

Personally, I'd like programmed bass tracks not live.

Let's hope it is very good, I hope they don't tour that much this year and concentrate on making the album and I don't want to read any more interviews by them , talking about the new album, I just want to hear it when it comes out and leave some surprise to it instead giving it away in interviews, hope it had good synths and good music on it.

I know there has not been much light shed on this but i hope it sounds like New Order

Sage_ wrote: Hi guys, I'd like to see what everyone thinks about this. What the new album should be like and logically what it could sound like.

First off, Gillian's around this time, so maybe we'll get more of an earthy, synth-laced sound? I hope her vocals feature again. I remember reading I think it was a year ago that she'd been practicing and brushing up for a project that we didn't see the end of. and I for one quite enjoyed her voice and singing style on The Other Two's albums. Maybe she could have a verse, or some backing/support vocals, or an entire song even? Preferably not limited to one single word this time though. (Faith)

Next Tom and Phil are around. Now I hope this doesn't mean the album will have a Bad Loo feel to it as I don't care for the rock sound, both materialistically and musically. but maybe the music will be a bit more advanced since they'll want to have something to do on stage?

Peter's gone, but I hope the album isn't lacking his presence. Chuck in some bold, iconic Peter Hook-style basslines I say. Don't have them softly in the background like the last couple albums, I want to hear them loud and clear.

We all know New Order are together now as part of a reunion. They've done the reunion tour and freshened up the minds and hearts of long time fans. but will this be a reunion album? (If that's such a thing.) I hope it is. A rebirth of the New Order we know. Having some new sounds is great, it's the reason they're doing the album, but I hope there's a nice nostalgic helping to accommodate the world tour they did last year. I'd love to see everyone re-learn why they fell in love with the band.

Lyrically, they need to up the ante. No silly lyrics. Californian Grass, Dracula's Castle, Rock the Shack, Jetstream, Every Second Counts. None of that please. I hope there's more of a serious feel to the music and lyrics. Go back to the dark lyrics of lost love and being an outsider. Remember when NO was enjoyed by the goth community? No "old man" lyrics about waking up and going to work. That's not artistic enough. The dark lyrics along with the dancey rhythm conflicts so very well, in such an iconic manner that's hard to find these days. and please don't say "hey man" at all. I'm sure between the five of them, they can come up with something that isn't laughable.

I'd prefer if they lent more towards a British style than American. (Language, references, accents.) and there MUST be deadpan vocals, atleast on one track.

I think they should scrap everything from the past 20 years. Except maybe Bernard's Republic and Raise the Pressure style of singing. Aswell as the tweaks and new bits they've done in live performances. Love those. (Broken beats, loud glitchy synth sounds, etc.) And Barny's vocals MUST have reverb. If only just a little bit. I honestly think Lost Sirens would sound better if there was a bit on his voice there.

Maybe have varying degrees? Heaps on a couple tracks, just a little on others.

I hope the album overall has a varied feel to it.

A guest appearance or two would be nice, but only if the album is of decent length. (Though I'd make an exception on that for the Chemical Brothers since the last two collaborations were so sublime.) And I hope it is. Wouldn't it be great to have a big, 15-20 tracks? Even if there's an instrumental and a couple of interlude songs. Though I don't really expect to see that. (A big album)

With Steve I wish they have his classic JD, quick drums and cymbals sound on a few of the tracks. and of course other drum pad beats. I've read he collects old analog synthesizers. Repairs them and tinkers with them, and they apparently have interesting sounds because some of them are still half broken. I'd love to hear this kind of thing on the album. I really hope they enjoy themselves and experiment a little. (Aswell as getting a couple core tracks down, of course.)

For the overall sound, like I said before it'd be nice if it varied between new and old. If you listen to the latest Human League album for example, it has modern elements mixed with retro-sounding elements. It creates music that sounds fresh but can be listened to back-to-back with the old albums with little transition. I didn't really think that could be done before I heard that album. The Pet Shop Boys do something roughly similar aswell. If you listen to their latest album they have very modern sounding tracks, but then they spring an 80's sample on you and it just sounds great without taking too much away from the fact that it's a new song.

I say, if we wanted a CD that sounded like it was made by a new band with no knowledge or respect of the past, then we'd look into actual new artists. New Order are the pioneers of new wave as far as I'm concerned. and they should make use of that.

One last thing, I hope there's a slow song on the album. Like Vicious Streak or the opening verses of Californian Grass.

I hope this post doesn't just come across as a drunken rant to Santa Claus, but I'm glad to get this out there anyway.

Let us know what you want the new album to sound like. Be as vague or specific as you like.

If anyone knows what Phil & Tom are into EDM-wise, I'd like to see some light shed onto that.

Reunion - they didn't leave

Linus Solanki wrote: Let's hope it is very good.

Well I for one certainly second that Linus.

I'd like to hear a mixed bag. Sublime catchy high tempo guitar pop in the regret, crystal mould. Dark broody synth heavy tracks like sunrise and this time of night. Slow downbeat numbers like ruined in a day, run wild and recoil (one of the best things they've ever done).

But if they write a rock the shock, working overtime track then I hope it stays off the album. And if any songs start "hey" or "what you doing" then Someone (Tom?) needs to scratch out the lyrics and rewrite them.

Maybe an ambient or instruental track in the elegia, avalanche mode too. Would also like to hear more Gillian vocals.

Also, if any dancy numbers are to be recorded then I hope they get a decent producer in. GIAUE mix was lame on album but remixes were great.

Also hopefully it won't be over produced and have too much sheen.

That's my two bobs worth.

Hope they produce it themselves, make electronic album and it's kept quite raw like PC&L.

Thinking about it, this lack of Hooky noise could be a problem. I cant imagine they'd let/make that new lad play the same way as the Hookmeister, its just asking for trouble from every angle. So I dont know just how they're going to make it sound like New Order and not just Bad Electronic Other Two.

We need some clapping.

I hope they rework each song to get a clapping section in there for the live shows.

Could be their new trademark, with the bass sound gone now.

Oh, and a cowbell would be nice too.

El Jarvo wrote: We need some clapping.

I hope they rework each song to get a clapping section in there for the live shows.

Could be their new trademark, with the bass sound gone now.

Oh, and a cowbell would be nice too.

I agree Al, we need clapping, the clapping in True Faith and Temptation is sublime and really adds a Top of the Pops feel to the gigs. As for the Cowbell no one plays it quite like Barney.

To me New Order without Hooky's basslines couldn't sounds as at most parts of "Republic". I would like to hear an album more similar to Electronic's début or "Raise the Pressure" or even sounds as Bad Lieutenant because I really like so much "Never Cry Another Tear". The lyrics are not something really important to me because what attracts me in New Order's music is the sound. I pay attention on the meaning of the words much time later. 😎

But I also expect a self produced album, singles with b-sides and not only remixes and Saville comeback as the graphic designer.

Sage_ wrote: Hi guys, I'd like to see what everyone thinks about this. What the new album should be like and logically what it could sound like.

First off, Gillian's around this time, so maybe we'll get more of an earthy, synth-laced sound? I hope her vocals feature again. I remember reading I think it was a year ago that she'd been practicing and brushing up for a project that we didn't see the end of. and I for one quite enjoyed her voice and singing style on The Other Two's albums. Maybe she could have a verse, or some backing/support vocals, or an entire song even? Preferably not limited to one single word this time though. (Faith)

Next Tom and Phil are around. Now I hope this doesn't mean the album will have a Bad Loo feel to it as I don't care for the rock sound, both materialistically and musically. but maybe the music will be a bit more advanced since they'll want to have something to do on stage?

Peter's gone, but I hope the album isn't lacking his presence. Chuck in some bold, iconic Peter Hook-style basslines I say. Don't have them softly in the background like the last couple albums, I want to hear them loud and clear.

We all know New Order are together now as part of a reunion. They've done the reunion tour and freshened up the minds and hearts of long time fans. but will this be a reunion album? (If that's such a thing.) I hope it is. A rebirth of the New Order we know. Having some new sounds is great, it's the reason they're doing the album, but I hope there's a nice nostalgic helping to accommodate the world tour they did last year. I'd love to see everyone re-learn why they fell in love with the band.

Lyrically, they need to up the ante. No silly lyrics. Californian Grass, Dracula's Castle, Rock the Shack, Jetstream, Every Second Counts. None of that please. I hope there's more of a serious feel to the music and lyrics. Go back to the dark lyrics of lost love and being an outsider. Remember when NO was enjoyed by the goth community? No "old man" lyrics about waking up and going to work. That's not artistic enough. The dark lyrics along with the dancey rhythm conflicts so very well, in such an iconic manner that's hard to find these days. and please don't say "hey man" at all. I'm sure between the five of them, they can come up with something that isn't laughable.

I'd prefer if they lent more towards a British style than American. (Language, references, accents.) and there MUST be deadpan vocals, atleast on one track.

I think they should scrap everything from the past 20 years. Except maybe Bernard's Republic and Raise the Pressure style of singing. Aswell as the tweaks and new bits they've done in live performances. Love those. (Broken beats, loud glitchy synth sounds, etc.) And Barny's vocals MUST have reverb. If only just a little bit. I honestly think Lost Sirens would sound better if there was a bit on his voice there.

Maybe have varying degrees? Heaps on a couple tracks, just a little on others.

I hope the album overall has a varied feel to it.

A guest appearance or two would be nice, but only if the album is of decent length. (Though I'd make an exception on that for the Chemical Brothers since the last two collaborations were so sublime.) And I hope it is. Wouldn't it be great to have a big, 15-20 tracks? Even if there's an instrumental and a couple of interlude songs. Though I don't really expect to see that. (A big album)

With Steve I wish they have his classic JD, quick drums and cymbals sound on a few of the tracks. and of course other drum pad beats. I've read he collects old analog synthesizers. Repairs them and tinkers with them, and they apparently have interesting sounds because some of them are still half broken. I'd love to hear this kind of thing on the album. I really hope they enjoy themselves and experiment a little. (Aswell as getting a couple core tracks down, of course.)

For the overall sound, like I said before it'd be nice if it varied between new and old. If you listen to the latest Human League album for example, it has modern elements mixed with retro-sounding elements. It creates music that sounds fresh but can be listened to back-to-back with the old albums with little transition. I didn't really think that could be done before I heard that album. The Pet Shop Boys do something roughly similar aswell. If you listen to their latest album they have very modern sounding tracks, but then they spring an 80's sample on you and it just sounds great without taking too much away from the fact that it's a new song.

I say, if we wanted a CD that sounded like it was made by a new band with no knowledge or respect of the past, then we'd look into actual new artists. New Order are the pioneers of new wave as far as I'm concerned. and they should make use of that.

One last thing, I hope there's a slow song on the album. Like Vicious Streak or the opening verses of Californian Grass.

I hope this post doesn't just come across as a drunken rant to Santa Claus, but I'm glad to get this out there anyway.

Let us know what you want the new album to sound like. Be as vague or specific as you like.

If anyone knows what Phil & Tom are into EDM-wise, I'd like to see some light shed onto that.

I don't give a toss what it sounds like - live is where it's at like some of the GREAT DJ's we've seen

let's hope they keep it raw and don't overproduce it - no shiney dance producers, get someone with a bit of soul.

also, throw away bernard's rhyming dictionary - someone needs to man-up and tell him when his lyrics are a bit shite (don't get me wrong, he's written some BRILLIANT lyrics, but also some pretty stinky stuff too)!

alternatively, get them chem bros in to produce: Chems + NO = awesomeness

Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote:

let's hope they keep it raw and don't overproduce it - no shiney dance producers, get someone with a bit of soul.

also, throw away bernard's rhyming dictionary - someone needs to man-up and tell him when his lyrics are a bit shite (don't get me wrong, he's written some BRILLIANT lyrics, but also some pretty stinky stuff too)!

alternatively, get them chem bros in to produce: Chems + NO = awesomeness

There's a general vibe that the minute Barney says 'What'cha doin'?' it's degenerated into formula. Actually my dislike of his 'sort-yerself-out-mate' lyrics goes back to 2001 and Close Range/Dream On/Nothing's Gonna Change, though that sounds tougher live with a longer instrumental intro and stronger backing vocals. Can't say I agree with the Chems comment. Out Of Control was mighty, especially when Sasha got involved, but Here To Stay can't be in anyone's Top Ten NO moments can it? A review dubbed it 'Will This Do?' Nice vid though. I hope the new album comes quickly though I'd be amazed if anything emerged before 2015, probably 2016. I also hope it has a combination of Bernard's characteristically meaningless but heartfelt vocals (Dracula's Castle), Steve's immaculate thudding (Age of Consent), crashing guitars (Temptation), swirling synth (Regret) and a picture of Melanie C feeding me beer naked in a sauna on the cover. (That's Melanie naked, not me. I have standards of decency.) My only concern is for Tom and his lose-lose situation. Sound like Hook and there'll be moans of copycat; sound different and there'll be moans of it's-not-classic-NO. The logical solution is simply to play from the heart but God knows what'll happen...

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote:

let's hope they keep it raw and don't overproduce it - no shiney dance producers, get someone with a bit of soul.

also, throw away bernard's rhyming dictionary - someone needs to man-up and tell him when his lyrics are a bit shite (don't get me wrong, he's written some BRILLIANT lyrics, but also some pretty stinky stuff too)!

alternatively, get them chem bros in to produce: Chems + NO = awesomeness

There's a general vibe that the minute Barney says 'What'cha doin'?' it's degenerated into formula. Actually my dislike of his 'sort-yerself-out-mate' lyrics goes back to 2001 and Close Range/Dream On/Nothing's Gonna Change, though that sounds tougher live with a longer instrumental intro and stronger backing vocals. Can't say I agree with the Chems comment. Out Of Control was mighty, especially when Sasha got involved, but Here To Stay can't be in anyone's Top Ten NO moments can it? A review dubbed it 'Will This Do?' Nice vid though. I hope the new album comes quickly though I'd be amazed if anything emerged before 2015, probably 2016. I also hope it has a combination of Bernard's characteristically meaningless but heartfelt vocals (Dracula's Castle), Steve's immaculate thudding (Age of Consent), crashing guitars (Temptation), swirling synth (Regret) and a picture of Melanie C feeding me beer naked in a sauna on the cover. (That's Melanie naked, not me. I have standards of decency.) My only concern is for Tom and his lose-lose situation. Sound like Hook and there'll be moans of copycat; sound different and there'll be moans of it's-not-classic-NO. The logical solution is simply to play from the heart but God knows what'll happen...

Here To Stay is one of my favorite New Order tracks and I think it's one of New Order's best post 2000 singles. I know quite a few people who aren't even New Order fans and who like Here To Stay.

Also, part of my day job entails working with club and radio Dj's all over the US and Here To Stay was a favorite with them as well, as was Guilt Is a Useless Emotion.

Anyways, for a new record, I would love to hear something dark, synth and sequencer heavy, and raw. Steve's been talkign about how much he loves DFA Records lately, and I think that sound would be worthy of incorporating.

I would prefer New Order to self produce, but if they have to get an outside producer, I would James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem would be a superb choice, just look at his recent work with Pulp, plus early New Order were a big influence on LCD Soundsystem.

Also, Barney, for the love of God, please, no "Hey, man" lyrics. We know you can do better. Bernard's lyrics for BLT, True Faith, the entire Technique and Republic albums, Crystal, WFTSC (the song)...he can write great lyrics when he tries.

Band stabs and cowbells; lots of them.

ZASmusic wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Dr Sheldon Cooper wrote:

let's hope they keep it raw and don't overproduce it - no shiney dance producers, get someone with a bit of soul.

also, throw away bernard's rhyming dictionary - someone needs to man-up and tell him when his lyrics are a bit shite (don't get me wrong, he's written some BRILLIANT lyrics, but also some pretty stinky stuff too)!

alternatively, get them chem bros in to produce: Chems + NO = awesomeness

There's a general vibe that the minute Barney says 'What'cha doin'?' it's degenerated into formula. Actually my dislike of his 'sort-yerself-out-mate' lyrics goes back to 2001 and Close Range/Dream On/Nothing's Gonna Change, though that sounds tougher live with a longer instrumental intro and stronger backing vocals. Can't say I agree with the Chems comment. Out Of Control was mighty, especially when Sasha got involved, but Here To Stay can't be in anyone's Top Ten NO moments can it? A review dubbed it 'Will This Do?' Nice vid though. I hope the new album comes quickly though I'd be amazed if anything emerged before 2015, probably 2016. I also hope it has a combination of Bernard's characteristically meaningless but heartfelt vocals (Dracula's Castle), Steve's immaculate thudding (Age of Consent), crashing guitars (Temptation), swirling synth (Regret) and a picture of Melanie C feeding me beer naked in a sauna on the cover. (That's Melanie naked, not me. I have standards of decency.) My only concern is for Tom and his lose-lose situation. Sound like Hook and there'll be moans of copycat; sound different and there'll be moans of it's-not-classic-NO. The logical solution is simply to play from the heart but God knows what'll happen...

Here To Stay is one of my favorite New Order tracks and I think it's one of New Order's best post 2000 singles. I know quite a few people who aren't even New Order fans and who like Here To Stay.

Also, part of my day job entails working with club and radio Dj's all over the US and Here To Stay was a favorite with them as well, as was Guilt Is a Useless Emotion.

Anyways, for a new record, I would love to hear something dark, synth and sequencer heavy, and raw. Steve's been talkign about how much he loves DFA Records lately, and I think that sound would be worthy of incorporating.

I would prefer New Order to self produce, but if they have to get an outside producer, I would James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem would be a superb choice, just look at his recent work with Pulp, plus early New Order were a big influence on LCD Soundsystem.

Also, Barney, for the love of God, please, no "Hey, man" lyrics. We know you can do better. Bernard's lyrics for BLT, True Faith, the entire Technique and Republic albums, Crystal, WFTSC (the song)...he can write great lyrics when he tries.

Lot's of Whoops, a few COME ON's and more clapping is what we need

Some clues about what Tom Chapman sounds like when he's playing basslines he wrote himself might be found by listening to his band Rubberbear.

Then again, they might not.

Hope this helps.

I hear they are going to cover The Fall's Hex Induction Hour with only acoustic instruments.

Biginoil wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: Let's hope it is very good.

Well I for one certainly second that Linus.

Yes. So do I. I always preferred their good stuff.

Biginoil wrote: Some clues about what Tom Chapman sounds like when he's playing basslines he wrote himself might be found by listening to his band Rubberbear.

Then again, they might not.

Hope this helps.

It may indeed!

Also, if you listen to live New Order recordings from late 2012 shows, you can also hear where Tom has inserted his own playing into a lot of the songs, especially the low bass parts on True Faith. Also, at the NYC shows, the solo Tom played in Crystal on the second night was totally different from the usual version.

Tom has a fluid low end bass style, but can also play higher lead melodies, so I am hoping we will get some of that mixed in with Bernards voice, Steves drumming and programming, and Gillian's synths.

ZASmusic wrote:

Tom has a fluid low end bass style, but can also play higher lead melodies, so I am hoping we will get some of that mixed in with Bernards voice, Steves drumming and programming, and Gillian's synths.

and Phils guitars...

Cranelane wrote:

and Phils guitars...

yeah thanks for reminding us

Debaser wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

and Phils guitars...

yeah thanks for reminding us

Well, they have seemed to imply that Phil will have less of a role in a new "electronic" album, but who knows with Bernard's history of confusing comments. With the Lost Sirens songs, Phil seemed to fit in well enough, I like what he brought to the sessions. Don't really need solos in New Order like in "Hey Now what You Doing" thou.

Just keep the guitar store employee guitar wankery out, like what was in Never Cry Another Tear. Or do we blame Jake Evans for that?

I was 'eh' on Here to Stay until they played it at Roseland. It's a great song.

I agree about the ban on "hey man whatchu doin'" lyrics, and I'll add in anything about the grind of a 9 to 5 job or sailing on a yacht.

I want them to make an album that pleases everyone, because that's totally possible.

0_o wrote:

Debaser wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

and Phils guitars...

yeah thanks for reminding us

Well, they have seemed to imply that Phil will have less of a role in a new "electronic" album, but who knows with Bernard's history of confusing comments. With the Lost Sirens songs, Phil seemed to fit in well enough, I like what he brought to the sessions. Don't really need solos in New Order like in "Hey Now what You Doing" thou.

Just keep the guitar store employee guitar wankery out, like what was in Never Cry Another Tear. Or do we blame Jake Evans for that?

I dig Phil's guitar work. Now that Gillian is back playing Synths full time, it frees P{hil up to do his guitar stuff but not at the expense of the Keyboard lines. I liked his playing on the Lost Sirens tracks. Kind of Johnny Marr-ish, which I can dig. Phil is a really good guitarist.

I think the more fancey guitar on the BL record came from Jake Evans. I liked his work though.

Speaking of BL, I liked the guitar textured Phil added to Out of Control when they played it live.

I'd like the new album to sound like New Order of 1983. Considering Hooky won't be participating, I know there is no chance that will happen.

I guess within current possibilities, no more "hey you", no backing vocals unless if it's Gillian and more guitar from Barney, but I heard they're going the electronic route so too bad for me. I'd also like they produce the album themselves.

i trust bernard and co. to create more great songs. who else on the planet has the substance ?

Longer instrumental sections in the songs. Back to the giant intros and outros please.

And something well (not over) produced that will give my stereo a work out like their 12"'s did during the late 80's.

Although, like most people I'd just settle for any new New Order. There's always something to like in there somewhere.

I want it to sound like New Order. I want a belter at the beginning and a weird one at the end, 7 tracks inbetween. I expect it to be available about 4 years from now.

For myself... I'd urge everyone to head over to Music for Pleasure and follow the link to Nova Nova & Peter Hook. The two remixes of the song (SLABB REMIX and THIERRY CRISCIONE MIX, which is basically a different song) are exactly what I would like to hear from New Order-- add in Barney's singing and a bit of guitar here and I would be happy as can be. I don't need multiple guitarists or anything fancy... It astounds me, though, that Peter Hook and some random outfit can out-New Order New Order in terms of sound.

What I'm hoping for more of:

Big f**k-off thumping sequencers. (Everything's Gone Grey?)

What I'm hoping for less off:

Dull strumalong guitar tracks.

Something abstract and different hopefully, it largely depends on the mood of the band if they produce it themselves. Id like to see what would happen in the studio if they got a unknown producer outside of the mainstream pool of producers and maybe something new and distinctive might come from it.

I'm with Sage on this one, I can't stand recent Barney lyrics or vocal style. 💀 Republic style vocals would be welcome (oops that's 20 years ago now). Better still they could go nuts and have no vocals and do something totally avant garde. Furthermore, if they can make an album as different as Republic is from Technique (I like both, btw) then they'll have done exceedingly well.

Sage_ wrote:

Peter's gone, but....

Is this confirmed(serious question....haven't been keeping up with NO news)?

isamu wrote:

Sage_ wrote:

Peter's gone, but....

Is this confirmed(serious question....haven't been keeping up with NO news)?

For 6 years?

Coops wrote:

isamu wrote:

Sage_ wrote:

Peter's gone, but....

Is this confirmed(serious question....haven't been keeping up with NO news)?

For 6 years?

well I knew he had left but I heard rumors that it was just a temporary leave.

I just don't understand how two people can be close friends and work closely together for so many years and then turn around and become enemies. :(

NotAMod wrote:

isamu wrote: I just don't understand how two people can be close friends and work closely together for so many years and then turn around and become enemies. :(

I think enough info has come out over the past 6 years through various interviews and even Hooky's own Joy Division book to show they've not exactly been "close" friends for a long time. I would say realistically they've not been close friends (as they were in Salford at school) since the early to mid-80s.

This image that they were best buddies hanging out all the time up until 2006 is pure romanticism/fiction on behalf of some fans. It highly likely that didn't happen, New Order were not like The Beatles in "Help!".

There may have been some reconciliation around the end of the first hiatus in 1998 but even then I don't imagine they were swapping DVD boxsets and arranging BBQs together.

It's not just New Order; many bandmates (even those who are good friends) don't spend so much time with each other outside of work. They were not close friends until 2006---they were just co-workers. Co-workers are not always the same as 'friends'.

NotAMod wrote:

Sage_ wrote: Peter's gone, but I hope the album isn't lacking his presence. Chuck in some bold, iconic Peter Hook-style basslines I say. Don't have them softly in the background like the last couple albums, I want to hear them loud and clear.

If they aped Peter Hook style basslines on any new material they would invite all sorts of commentary that they can't move on without him and it would hang like an albatross around their necks.

Not to mention Hooky himself would probably have a field day laying into them in interview about it; remember the "Round & Round" miming accusations?

I'm sure the band have thought about this and would be surprised if any new material features that bass sound.

He's no longer in the band, so the remaining members should have no obligation to include his 'presence', sound wise or otherwise. I do not intend to judge the band, until I actually hear something. That's also why the NME article about the 'Do we want music from NO' thing made me irritated--- the NME should not get to decide whether NO should write new music or not.

NotAMod wrote:

isamu wrote: I just don't understand how two people can be close friends and work closely together for so many years and then turn around and become enemies. :(

I think enough info has come out over the past 6 years through various interviews and even Hooky's own Joy Division book to show they've not exactly been "close" friends for a long time. I would say realistically they've not been close friends (as they were in Salford at school) since the early to mid-80s.

This image that they were best buddies hanging out all the time up until 2006 is pure romanticism/fiction on behalf of some fans. It highly likely that didn't happen, New Order were not like The Beatles in "Help!".

There may have been some reconciliation around the end of the first hiatus in 1998 but even then I don't imagine they were swapping DVD boxsets and arranging BBQs together.

Thanks for the insight. Very interesting point of view. Point taken, though still a shame nonetheless :(

Very fair comments in my humble opinion. I remember when Melody Maker was plugging that 1993 'Are they splitting up?' shenanigans and Gillian said, 'I don't understand how people make such a fuss about us splitting up when we were never that together in the first place. It's not like we all sat round the table drinking cuppasoup like Reeves and Mortimer's Slade in residence!' Certainly that was a low period for relations but I somehow got the feeling they were never all that 'together' - just my impression, mind.

I would first and foremost want it to sound like new order and be GOOD. But I hope it is an album that proves the haters wrong and make it sound great without Hooky's bass. I definitely would like a return to the electronics and less guitary stuff, but if the guitar stuff is great then I won't complain.

Charmingman93 wrote: I would... want it to... be GOOD.

Yes, somebody else said this too. Personally I would also prefer something that is, technically, 'good' as opposed to something that is what is known as 'bad'.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Charmingman93 wrote: I would... want it to... be GOOD.

Yes, somebody else said this too. Personally I would also prefer something that is, technically, 'good' as opposed to something that is what is known as 'bad'.

If they do decide to release an album which is known as 'bad' could they please label it up as Bad Lieutenent so I and others know to give it a miss. Thankyou please.

I hope one (maybe two) brilliant track(s), a handful of enjoyable songs and, possibly, a throwaway piece, exactly as the last ones. To me it will be a positive balance. I do not count on a new "Low Life" or "Technique" since they came back in 1993. But it could be a little bit more electronic this time.

I'm actually hoping they eschew doing a full proper album and go right to a 4-5 song EP with the best 4 or 5 tunes they come up. It sounds to me from the interviews that ehy are at the very least considering this option.

As for sound, take The Other Two's propensity for swooning snyth tracks and mix that with Phil's guitar work (similar to what he has done on the live BLT) throwing in Barney's vocals and workman like bass playing and hope it all comes out alright. If they gave you another Crystal, Someone Like You and Here to Stay, I would be pleased. I would agree, let's get away from the heavy guitar tracks, but don't lose the guitar completely -- it can complement the snyths so nicely as we already know.

Some interesting tweets from Gillian at 1am last night.

Omg am at spinal tap land and later let's do some fink new!! Oooo so rad??? Xxx

Looks like the writing process is getting interesting.

Ray Jesus wrote:

JoanneB wrote: I really love Gillians voice - I think she's a far better singer than she gives herself credit for. Not that I'm trying to do Bernard out of a job mind. Would like her to sing more than she does at the moment. Will be interesting to see how a new album pans out

when is it coming out?

I personally cannot wait to add the new album to my growing collection of new order albums.

I take it the talk of an EP was a load of bollox then?

They probably have so many ideas and stuff ready to record after the new year. Next year we should have something good to listen to.

I'll take a single at this point.

Well it would be nice to have some news by the end of the year.Though i doubt we'll get any.

Serious concerns about talk of an electronic feel to any new stuff. Brings up nightmares of any new stuff sounding like the godawful Guilt Is A Useless Emotion or Electronic's Raise The Pressure album . Ugh.

Barney will be emerging from the studio to appear, amongst many other guests, on the Radcliffe & Maconie show tomorrow, Friday 20th December 1pm-4pm on BBC6 Music. Fingers crossed we'll get some news?

Radcliffe & Maconie Show 20/12/13

Bill Turnbull wrote: Barney will be emerging from the studio to appear, amongst many other guests, on the Radcliffe & Maconie show tomorrow, Friday 20th December 1pm-4pm on BBC6 Music. Fingers crossed we'll get some news?

Radcliffe & Maconie Show 20/12/13

Very good news to hear, lets hope there is some news about the new album in there, very good news to hear in time for Christmas.

A recap for overseas fans would be nice.

Barney and Steve on the show now

Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

All of this is very good news, I would prefer a album instead of small EP's.

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Thanks for the recap.

Interestingly enough, when I was backstage at the Philly show last summer, Bernard was playing a Phillip Glass piece for us on the Steinway piano in the green room. He played it beautifully as well, turns out he is a fan of Glass. Was interesting to hear him play such a melodic piano piece. Cannot remember which piece it was, though.

Also, Phillip Glass and I frequent the same coffee shop on E. 2nd Avenue, and I run into him on Canal Street all the time. I've never said hi to him but he does smile and nod at me.

You can listen to just the interview with Barney and Steve here

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Thanks (for this useful post).

Yeah, we will have a lot of New Order in 2014... New songs, Lollapalooza in South America, a live partnership with Philip Glass, a new book... and Hooky plus The Light doing "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" too. That's great.

Bernard's ghost writer - I wonder is this him Link

If that's him then I think we can say the book is in safe hands..

Cranelane wrote: Bernard's ghost writer - I wonder is this him Link

If that's him then I think we can say the book is in safe hands..

Yes that's him. Same name in that link as the one Barney said and Barney also said the guy had done stuff for Radio 4 which is also in that link .

Would like Barn to gerriself off that bleedin yacht, back on the Pernod an E and give us some dead tight housey shit wit Hooky rapin the 4 string. Probably gonna end up with the usual limp wristed guitar bollox an watery basslines.

Literally can't wait for this album! This will be the first "official" new New Order album released since I became a fan! I really hope it is released in 2014.