What do you want the new album to sound like and what do you expect?

NotAMod wrote:

Sage_ wrote: Peter's gone, but I hope the album isn't lacking his presence. Chuck in some bold, iconic Peter Hook-style basslines I say. Don't have them softly in the background like the last couple albums, I want to hear them loud and clear.

If they aped Peter Hook style basslines on any new material they would invite all sorts of commentary that they can't move on without him and it would hang like an albatross around their necks.

Not to mention Hooky himself would probably have a field day laying into them in interview about it; remember the "Round & Round" miming accusations?

I'm sure the band have thought about this and would be surprised if any new material features that bass sound.

He's no longer in the band, so the remaining members should have no obligation to include his 'presence', sound wise or otherwise. I do not intend to judge the band, until I actually hear something. That's also why the NME article about the 'Do we want music from NO' thing made me irritated--- the NME should not get to decide whether NO should write new music or not.

NotAMod wrote:

isamu wrote: I just don't understand how two people can be close friends and work closely together for so many years and then turn around and become enemies. :(

I think enough info has come out over the past 6 years through various interviews and even Hooky's own Joy Division book to show they've not exactly been "close" friends for a long time. I would say realistically they've not been close friends (as they were in Salford at school) since the early to mid-80s.

This image that they were best buddies hanging out all the time up until 2006 is pure romanticism/fiction on behalf of some fans. It highly likely that didn't happen, New Order were not like The Beatles in "Help!".

There may have been some reconciliation around the end of the first hiatus in 1998 but even then I don't imagine they were swapping DVD boxsets and arranging BBQs together.

Thanks for the insight. Very interesting point of view. Point taken, though still a shame nonetheless :(

Very fair comments in my humble opinion. I remember when Melody Maker was plugging that 1993 'Are they splitting up?' shenanigans and Gillian said, 'I don't understand how people make such a fuss about us splitting up when we were never that together in the first place. It's not like we all sat round the table drinking cuppasoup like Reeves and Mortimer's Slade in residence!' Certainly that was a low period for relations but I somehow got the feeling they were never all that 'together' - just my impression, mind.

I would first and foremost want it to sound like new order and be GOOD. But I hope it is an album that proves the haters wrong and make it sound great without Hooky's bass. I definitely would like a return to the electronics and less guitary stuff, but if the guitar stuff is great then I won't complain.

Charmingman93 wrote: I would... want it to... be GOOD.

Yes, somebody else said this too. Personally I would also prefer something that is, technically, 'good' as opposed to something that is what is known as 'bad'.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Charmingman93 wrote: I would... want it to... be GOOD.

Yes, somebody else said this too. Personally I would also prefer something that is, technically, 'good' as opposed to something that is what is known as 'bad'.

If they do decide to release an album which is known as 'bad' could they please label it up as Bad Lieutenent so I and others know to give it a miss. Thankyou please.

I hope one (maybe two) brilliant track(s), a handful of enjoyable songs and, possibly, a throwaway piece, exactly as the last ones. To me it will be a positive balance. I do not count on a new "Low Life" or "Technique" since they came back in 1993. But it could be a little bit more electronic this time.

I'm actually hoping they eschew doing a full proper album and go right to a 4-5 song EP with the best 4 or 5 tunes they come up. It sounds to me from the interviews that ehy are at the very least considering this option.

As for sound, take The Other Two's propensity for swooning snyth tracks and mix that with Phil's guitar work (similar to what he has done on the live BLT) throwing in Barney's vocals and workman like bass playing and hope it all comes out alright. If they gave you another Crystal, Someone Like You and Here to Stay, I would be pleased. I would agree, let's get away from the heavy guitar tracks, but don't lose the guitar completely -- it can complement the snyths so nicely as we already know.

Some interesting tweets from Gillian at 1am last night.

Omg am at spinal tap land and later let's do some fink new!! Oooo so rad??? Xxx

Looks like the writing process is getting interesting.

Ray Jesus wrote:

JoanneB wrote: I really love Gillians voice - I think she's a far better singer than she gives herself credit for. Not that I'm trying to do Bernard out of a job mind. Would like her to sing more than she does at the moment. Will be interesting to see how a new album pans out

when is it coming out?

I personally cannot wait to add the new album to my growing collection of new order albums.

I take it the talk of an EP was a load of bollox then?

They probably have so many ideas and stuff ready to record after the new year. Next year we should have something good to listen to.

I'll take a single at this point.

Well it would be nice to have some news by the end of the year.Though i doubt we'll get any.

Serious concerns about talk of an electronic feel to any new stuff. Brings up nightmares of any new stuff sounding like the godawful Guilt Is A Useless Emotion or Electronic's Raise The Pressure album . Ugh.

Barney will be emerging from the studio to appear, amongst many other guests, on the Radcliffe & Maconie show tomorrow, Friday 20th December 1pm-4pm on BBC6 Music. Fingers crossed we'll get some news?

Radcliffe & Maconie Show 20/12/13

Bill Turnbull wrote: Barney will be emerging from the studio to appear, amongst many other guests, on the Radcliffe & Maconie show tomorrow, Friday 20th December 1pm-4pm on BBC6 Music. Fingers crossed we'll get some news?

Radcliffe & Maconie Show 20/12/13

Very good news to hear, lets hope there is some news about the new album in there, very good news to hear in time for Christmas.

A recap for overseas fans would be nice.

Barney and Steve on the show now

Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

All of this is very good news, I would prefer a album instead of small EP's.

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Thanks for the recap.

Interestingly enough, when I was backstage at the Philly show last summer, Bernard was playing a Phillip Glass piece for us on the Steinway piano in the green room. He played it beautifully as well, turns out he is a fan of Glass. Was interesting to hear him play such a melodic piano piece. Cannot remember which piece it was, though.

Also, Phillip Glass and I frequent the same coffee shop on E. 2nd Avenue, and I run into him on Canal Street all the time. I've never said hi to him but he does smile and nod at me.

You can listen to just the interview with Barney and Steve here

Bill Turnbull wrote: Not a great deal of new news, really. Barney said he'd been writing lyrics for three weeks recently. He said they have started recording though. He said they have enough songs for an album. Surprisingly he seemed to say he favours the idea of releasing the songs as an album rather than the EP thing, though the final decision hasn't been made yet. Barney said a couple of members of NO will be playing at a benefit gig at Carnegie Hall ( New York?) with Phillip Glass.

Barney has been continuing with work on his book with a ghost writer , he did say the ghost writer's name ..cant recall now.

Think he said they'll return to North America yet again in June - July to do West Coast dates?

Usual chat with Steve about tanks and general chit chat tomfoolery about Christmas, shopping, mulled wine etc

Thanks (for this useful post).

Yeah, we will have a lot of New Order in 2014... New songs, Lollapalooza in South America, a live partnership with Philip Glass, a new book... and Hooky plus The Light doing "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" too. That's great.

Bernard's ghost writer - I wonder is this him Link

If that's him then I think we can say the book is in safe hands..

Cranelane wrote: Bernard's ghost writer - I wonder is this him Link

If that's him then I think we can say the book is in safe hands..

Yes that's him. Same name in that link as the one Barney said and Barney also said the guy had done stuff for Radio 4 which is also in that link .

Would like Barn to gerriself off that bleedin yacht, back on the Pernod an E and give us some dead tight housey shit wit Hooky rapin the 4 string. Probably gonna end up with the usual limp wristed guitar bollox an watery basslines.

Literally can't wait for this album! This will be the first "official" new New Order album released since I became a fan! I really hope it is released in 2014.