Spinner interview with Bernard

http://aol.com/music/blog/spinner/2013/01/22/new-order-bernard-sumner-peter-hook/

2 pairs of boxing gloves should sort this out once and for all.most new order fans have a good idea about the bands dynamics and we are all saddened by the continuous in fighting and bitching from both sides.

phil wrote: 2 pairs of boxing gloves should sort this out once and for all.most new order fans have a good idea about the bands dynamics and we are all saddened by the continuous in fighting and bitching from both sides.

He was just explaining his side of the story. I don't know how much to believe, but he seems to be happy with what he's doing with New Order right now.

phil wrote: 2 pairs of boxing gloves should sort this out once and for all.most new order fans have a good idea about the bands dynamics and we are all saddened by the continuous in fighting and bitching from both sides.

I'm most saddened that more of my hard-earned cash is going to lawyers and I feel genuinely sorry for New Order for having to put up with it. That said, their stage really does seem to be a happier place these days and long may that continue.

leather-girl wrote:

phil wrote: 2 pairs of boxing gloves should sort this out once and for all.most new order fans have a good idea about the bands dynamics and we are all saddened by the continuous in fighting and bitching from both sides.

He was just explaining his side of the story. I don't know how much to believe, but he seems to be happy with what he's doing with New Order right now.

Same as Hooky with The Light. Life goes on...

Without doubt the biggest pile of rubbish I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Unbelievable.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

phil wrote: 2 pairs of boxing gloves should sort this out once and for all.most new order fans have a good idea about the bands dynamics and we are all saddened by the continuous in fighting and bitching from both sides.

He was just explaining his side of the story. I don't know how much to believe, but he seems to be happy with what he's doing with New Order right now.

Same as Hooky with The Light. Life goes on...

Yeah, life goes on, of course. 😎

Always nice to read Barney's take on things, very rational!

Jack wrote: Without doubt the biggest pile of rubbish I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Unbelievable.

Well, from an outside point of view, just judging from the myriads of interviews given over the last years, it sounds very reasonable what Bernard is saying...

Jack wrote: Without doubt the biggest pile of rubbish I've ever had the misfortune of reading. Unbelievable.

Down here we'll probably never know whats true and what isnt but what I would say is that Sumner always comes across better in these interviews than the old man does. And thats not me being partisan, I bought Hookys book whereas you probably got a free one .

Biginoil wrote: That said, their stage really does seem to be a happier place these days and long may that continue.

Which is a shame.

New Order were always at their best when they were truculent and arsey.

Good point, well made

Tim wrote: Bernard has learned how to do an interview. Even somewhat diplomatic. Tempting though it must be to respond to the bait!

Barney is a class act and keeps his cards close to his chest.

A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.

Here's the Guardian version of the article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jan/23/new-order-bernard-sumner-peter-hook?INTCMP=SRCH

😎

El Jarvo wrote:

Biginoil wrote: That said, their stage really does seem to be a happier place these days and long may that continue.

Which is a shame.

New Order were always at their best when they were truculent and arsey.

Exactly. Much preferred it when Barney used to tell the audience to fuck off or offer someone at the front out for a fight ( Brum Tower Ballroom 86 lol) , not all this "come on everybody, clap along"

NCP's Right Arm Man wrote:

Tim wrote: Bernard has learned how to do an interview. Even somewhat diplomatic. Tempting though it must be to respond to the bait!

Barney is a class act and keeps his cards close to his chest.

A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.

You could learn a lot from Barney, Michael. 👍 😄

They were better when arsey or fucked up (sometimes) or angry, but what they are now I think is just a bit worn down. Older. Barneys clearly had enough of the "old way", nowadays it's his way.

Just like Viz though, not as good as they used to be!

Thanks again wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Biginoil wrote: That said, their stage really does seem to be a happier place these days and long may that continue.

Which is a shame.

New Order were always at their best when they were truculent and arsey.

Exactly. Much preferred it when Barney used to tell the audience to fuck off or offer someone at the front out for a fight ( Brum Tower Ballroom 86 lol) , not all this "come on everybody, clap along"

Or those like "turn the fooking light off me you cunt" VERY CLASSIC!

sutty wrote: They were better when arsey or fucked up (sometimes) or angry, but what they are now I think is just a bit worn down. Older. Barneys clearly had enough of the "old way", nowadays it's his way.

Just like Viz though, not as good as they used to be!

I'd rather see happy older men than grumpy older men.

leather-girl wrote:

sutty wrote: They were better when arsey or fucked up (sometimes) or angry, but what they are now I think is just a bit worn down. Older. Barneys clearly had enough of the "old way", nowadays it's his way.

Just like Viz though, not as good as they used to be!

I'd rather see happy older men than grumpy older men.

I'm happy

cant get aol link to work.

got it now. thanks

http://www.spinner.com/2013/01/22/new-order-bernard-sumner-peter-hook/

well if it wasn't for all the bickering we wouldn't have clips like this to enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsURKnJl0I

blunt laser wrote: well if it wasn't for all the bickering we wouldn't have clips like this to enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsURKnJl0I

wrong forum section i know but watched a few clips of the light playing PCL. pretty impressed with the band, all the sounds have seemingly been sampled from the original tracks so all good. found it amusing that they sampled the synth from cries and whispers and the loop isn't quite long enough. i tried to do the same ages ago and had exactly the same problem! sounds ok though. only letdown, obviously, are the vocals. Hookster does put his heart into it even if it doesn't really work on most of the PCL tracks. A shame they couldn't have got Pottsy, would have been improved, i think.

anyway sorry about that, back to the thread right?.......

I really wish (hope) that Peter will actually record and put out new music...I'd really like to hear what The Light is able to do beyond playing the older albums...

That being said all the bickering is making me wish that Celebrity Death Match was still running on MTV...

Factually, most of what Bernard says that has previously been published by either party in interviews etc., seems correct. For the 'new' information I cannot say if it is true or not. I cannot imagine that Hooky will let this go without yet another interview by retort. he said, she said, etc.

markreed wrote: Factually, most of what Bernard says that has previously been published by either party in interviews etc., seems correct. For the 'new' information I cannot say if it is true or not. I cannot imagine that Hooky will let this go without yet another interview by retort. he said, she said, etc.

Absolutely Brian, i really wish The Light would do something new. I never thought they'd actually ever cover any NO songs. So now that PCL has been completed it seems likely that The Light will have to learn the rest of the NO back catalogue (including b-sides). I can see Republic happening after all. Vicious Circle live anyone? No, you're alright...

Do you think they'll do Jetstream? I'd pay money to watch Hooky sing that. Not much though.

Yup Barney sure is very good in interviews...🙄

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yH4h1Z6rcs

Interesting read and Oulsnt be surprised if there more than an element of truth in it.

But then who knows what anyone is like behind closed doors. It takes two to tango.

Seems to back up what we heard from various sources already. New Order are better off without Hooky, hopefully now Lost Sirens has been released they can draw a line under it and move on by getting back into the studio and releasing a new album.

Hooky can carry on murdering the JD/NO back catalogue live with Rowetta and carping from the sidelines.

kinozon wrote: Yup Barney sure is very good in interviews...🙄

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yH4h1Z6rcs

You know that bit on Mock The Week (bbc topical comedy quiz show for you non-british/irish people) where Hugh Dennis imagines the conversation taking place say, amongst the Royal family, and he does their voices in time with the on screen footage? Watching that, I started to wonder if Mr Dennis was doing the same thing for Barney.

Speaking of Michael Shamberg - sort of - in the interview. He appears to be very much alive and kicking. I noticed his name pop up in the credits of Tarantino's new Django Unchained movie (very good by the way, and I don't usually like Westerns). And looking at IMDb he seems to have more stuff in the pipeline. I can't help wondering if he needed NO's money though. I suspect he has a lot of wealthy Hollywood friends and possibly plenty of his own money. Yes i know I'm speculating...

Debaser wrote: Speaking of Michael Shamberg - sort of - in the interview. He appears to be very much alive and kicking. I noticed his name pop up in the credits of Tarantino's new Django Unchained movie (very good by the way, and I don't usually like Westerns). And looking at IMDb he seems to have more stuff in the pipeline. I can't help wondering if he needed NO's money though. I suspect he has a lot of wealthy Hollywood friends and possibly plenty of his own money. Yes i know I'm speculating...

So, you basically don't know anything! Be careful what you're insinuating!

Thanks again wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Biginoil wrote: That said, their stage really does seem to be a happier place these days and long may that continue.

Which is a shame.

New Order were always at their best when they were truculent and arsey.

Exactly. Much preferred it when Barney used to tell the audience to fuck off or offer someone at the front out for a fight ( Brum Tower Ballroom 86 lol) , not all this "come on everybody, clap along"

Well bernard is 57 and in those days you could say things like that without some unstable fan following him with a bass and a peter hook mask with murder in mind.

Enough of this worthless bickering and get on with the new album!

I really don't understand this new marketing scheme Hooky and Bernard have come up with but it seems to be working, mostly. Now if they could create some new material with their respective bands it might be successful.

Pyrtwist wrote: I really don't understand this new marketing scheme Hooky and Bernard have come up with but it seems to be working, mostly. Now if they could create some new material with their respective bands it might be successful.

It's not really a marketing scheme...just journalists and music sites/publications asking questions...and the members (or former members) answering them.

Pyrtwist wrote: I really don't understand this new marketing scheme Hooky and Bernard have come up with but it seems to be working, mostly. Now if they could create some new material with their respective bands it might be successful.

Give them their dues - it's working.

They'd never be in the press if they were all just getting along nicely.

Long may it last.

Debaser wrote: Speaking of Michael Shamberg - sort of - in the interview. He appears to be very much alive and kicking. I noticed his name pop up in the credits of Tarantino's new Django Unchained movie (very good by the way, and I don't usually like Westerns). And looking at IMDb he seems to have more stuff in the pipeline. I can't help wondering if he needed NO's money though. I suspect he has a lot of wealthy Hollywood friends and possibly plenty of his own money. Yes i know I'm speculating...

That's a different Michael Shamberg. I had thought it was the same Michael Shamberg ages ago. Confusing because they are both producers, but different guy.

Kerry Harris wrote:

Debaser wrote: Speaking of Michael Shamberg - sort of - in the interview. He appears to be very much alive and kicking. I noticed his name pop up in the credits of Tarantino's new Django Unchained movie (very good by the way, and I don't usually like Westerns). And looking at IMDb he seems to have more stuff in the pipeline. I can't help wondering if he needed NO's money though. I suspect he has a lot of wealthy Hollywood friends and possibly plenty of his own money. Yes i know I'm speculating...

That's a different Michael Shamberg. I had thought it was the same Michael Shamberg ages ago. Confusing because they are both producers, but different guy.

😄 Dontcha feel bad now Debaser?

Coops wrote:

That's a different Michael Shamberg. I had thought it was the same Michael Shamberg ages ago. Confusing because they are both producers, but different guy.

😄 Dontcha feel bad now Debaser?

Well in retrospect the last part of my post was probably asking for trouble whether it was or wasn't the same guy. BUT as regards there being two different Mr Shambergs, let me ask you this: If you look at the IMDb link in my post and scroll through all the films that Django Unchained's Mr Shamberg has been involved with, back in 1987 you see a film called Salvation!(have you said your prayers today). Sound familiar? Click on that film in IMDb and it tells you it was directed by Beth B. That's defo the film that NO contributed TBTHOG to. It says he was known as Michael H Shamberg for that one. Is this really not the same guy who was involved with NO? It seems quite a coincidence.

In fact if you also check this listing for him on Discogs, you can see the NO references, and also references to "one man show" and "run". Those last two are also listed on the IMDb listing for Django Unchained's Michael Shamberg. So I'm pretty sure it is the same guy. And to end on a better note than yesterday, well done to him, he seems to be doing alright.

Debaser wrote:

So I'm pretty sure it is the same guy. And to end on a better note than yesterday, well done to him, he seems to be doing alright.

Let it rest before it gets cynical...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shamberg: "Not to be confused with the producer and director, Michael H. Shamberg, who has a long history of association with the Manchester band, New Order."

Debaser wrote:

Coops wrote:

That's a different Michael Shamberg. I had thought it was the same Michael Shamberg ages ago. Confusing because they are both producers, but different guy.

😄 Dontcha feel bad now Debaser?

Well, it seem that the two M.Shambergs have been mixed up before..

LINK

So, its a mistake anyone could make, even The Washington Post.

IMDB's database (like quite a few databases) isn't always correct with regards to correct names/roles.

My Dad, for instance, who was a BBC Sound Recordist, is listed under 3 different variations of his name (as 3 "seperate" people). He's also (incorrectly) listed under yet another name variations (who isn't him) in one or two cases...

😎

Debaser wrote:

Well in retrospect the last part of my post was probably asking for trouble whether it was or wasn't the same guy.

Now its all been cleared up, go on, what were you hinting at? That Michael Shamberg (not to be confused with the other Michael Shamberg) didnt really need New Orders money or that New Orders given reasons for reforming and performing were not kosher?

Debaser wrote: Speaking of Michael Shamberg - sort of - in the interview. He appears to be very much alive and kicking. I noticed his name pop up in the credits of Tarantino's new Django Unchained movie (very good by the way, and I don't usually like Westerns). And looking at IMDb he seems to have more stuff in the pipeline. I can't help wondering if he needed NO's money though. I suspect he has a lot of wealthy Hollywood friends and possibly plenty of his own money. Yes i know I'm speculating...

Wow.

So I saw Michael H. Shamberg backstage at the New Order Roseland Ballroom show here in NYC last fall.

I don't know exactly what his medical issues are...

But he is in a giant wheelchair, he has to breathe through a tube, and he seems to be unable to move any part of this body, including his head.

Medical costs in the USA are ASTRONOMICAL, especially here in New York.

So, perhaps you should refrain from speculating on whether someone you have never met needs help with medical expenses or not.

I've never talked to Mr. Shamberg myself, but I know a few people who have known and worked with him for years, and by all accounts he is a really nice fellow, and I am sure New Order were sincere in wanting to help him out.

As for the Spinner interview....

I wasn't there, but it makes sense to me.

ZASmusic wrote:

So I saw Michael H. Shamberg backstage at the New Order Roseland Ballroom show here in NYC last fall.

I don't know exactly what his medical issues are...

But he is in a giant wheelchair, he has to breathe through a tube, and he seems to be unable to move any part of this body, including his head.

Medical costs in the USA are ASTRONOMICAL, especially here in New York.

I've never talked to Mr. Shamberg myself, but I know a few people who have known and worked with him for years, and by all accounts he is a really nice fellow, and I am sure New Order were sincere in wanting to help him out.

As for the Spinner interview....

I wasn't there, but it makes sense to me.

That certainly puts a lot in perspective, I just hope the benefit gigs were a help to Mr. Shamberg and I am glad that I was at the first of them..

Coops Now its all been cleared up, go on, what were you hinting at? That Michael Shamberg (not to be confused with the other Michael Shamberg) didnt really need New Orders money or that New Orders given reasons for reforming and performing were not kosher?[/quote wrote:

At this point, all I can say is that I genuinely believed the two Mr Shambergs were the same person. The news that NO's Mr Shamberg is not in a good way is of course distressing. Apologies if anyone was offended. It's probably best to leave it there.

Debaser wrote:

Coops Now its all been cleared up, go on, what were you hinting at? That Michael Shamberg (not to be confused with the other Michael Shamberg) didnt really need New Orders money or that New Orders given reasons for reforming and performing were not kosher?