Peter Hook Reflects On Joy Division & New Order

Peter Hook Reflects On Joy Division & New Order [Rock Cellar Magazine] http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2013/03/04/peter-hook-interview-joy-division-new-order/

He frequently repeats the same anecdotes verbatim so, at first, I thought I'd read this one before: The Lights' audiences are full of youngsters, Gillian didn't contribute to the music, etc.

Later in the interview, however, he seems to go out of his way to praise Bernard. Calling him a genius multiple times. He also speaks of Steve and Gillians' "work" not being used for Republic.

Are the relationships thawing?

Andy wrote: He frequently repeats the same anecdotes verbatim so, at first, I thought I'd read this one before: The Lights' audiences are full of youngsters, Gillian didn't contribute to the music, etc.

Later in the interview, however, he seems to go out of his way to praise Bernard. Calling him a genius multiple times. He also speaks of Steve and Gillians' "work" not being used for Republic.

Are the relationships thawing?

Maybe that's reading too much into it.

what a great cure for insomnia

Andy wrote: He also speaks of Steve and Gillians' "work" not being used for Republic.

Are the relationships thawing?

Well, I seem to remember the problems with Republic being Stephen Hagues fault (according to Hooky) now it appears Bernard was the one who fucked around with things so who knows?

HOOKY IN NO INTERVIEW SHOCK!!! The rock world has been shaken to its very foundations by Hooky not talking to the press for a billisecond. A spokesperson for Hooky said, 'He is a notoriously private person and once every proverbial blue moon doesn't want to shout his mouth off about how JD would have mutated into New Order anyway, the Light are touring the universe and Gillian is, technically speaking, a cookie runt.' The Stoke-on-Trent Times is now the only newspaper not to have shared these fascinating insights. Get well soon, Hooky! PS I love Hooky.

Coops wrote:

Andy wrote: He also speaks of Steve and Gillians' "work" not being used for Republic.

Are the relationships thawing?

Well, I seem to remember the problems with Republic being Stephen Hagues fault (according to Hooky) now it appears Bernard was the one who fucked around with things so who knows?

Yeah, the Rep-is-shite-cos-of-no-Hooky-thanx-to-Stephen-Hague thing is now a commonplace, but there were rumours it was essentially Bernard's baby. Either way it's no masterpiece, bugger.

leather-girl wrote:

Andy wrote: He frequently repeats the same anecdotes verbatim so, at first, I thought I'd read this one before: The Lights' audiences are full of youngsters, Gillian didn't contribute to the music, etc.

Later in the interview, however, he seems to go out of his way to praise Bernard. Calling him a genius multiple times. He also speaks of Steve and Gillians' "work" not being used for Republic.

Are the relationships thawing?

Maybe that's reading too much into it.

Agreed. In true NO style Hooky says shitloads and most of it's contradictory, e.g. as I wrote elsewhere, when Republic emerged he said he loved it cos Hague'd kept 'em classic New Order songs!

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Yeah, the Rep-is-shite-cos-of-no-Hooky-thanx-to-Stephen-Hague thing is now a commonplace, but there were rumours it was essentially Bernard's baby. Either way it's no masterpiece, bugger.

Bollocks, its a fine album.

Do you really like it? I find it incredibly dull, with the exception of (obviously) Regret and Special and maybe Everyone Everywhere. It was the combination of Republic, The Rest Of and Raise The Pressure that got my enthusiasm dwindling.

I like Republic, I think it's a great rainy day album. It has some of Bernard's best lyrics too. If the production wasn't so smooth and it had more Hooky on it it would be Tecnhique Part 2. I do think of it as the come down after the party.

Great interview, it does seem like he's not so bitter about the rest of the band anymore.

RCM: One specific track – Regret. Your bass work and your bass solo in the middle – how did you came up with that?

PH: The interesting thing about Regret - as much as I hate to say it – is that it was probably the last true New Order song because it was done by the 4 of us together,

He's been saying this for a while, but only now it has been clarified. He never meant that post-Regret songs didn't sound like NO, they just weren't written in the same way.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Do you really like it? I find it incredibly dull, with the exception of (obviously) Regret and Special and maybe Everyone Everywhere.

Sometimes i put Avalanche on repeat. Again and again. I wish it was longer. Is that weird?

Coops wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Yeah, the Rep-is-shite-cos-of-no-Hooky-thanx-to-Stephen-Hague thing is now a commonplace, but there were rumours it was essentially Bernard's baby. Either way it's no masterpiece, bugger.

Bollocks, its a fine album.

Nice to see another person liking 'Republic'; I love the album. It seems to be the album that people either hate or love.

I was impressed with several of the photographs which I had never seen before.

How do they get these photos? Does Hooky give them to the zine?

In Manchester, New Order played 2 nights at the Apollo for 6,000 people. The Stone Roses come back and do 225,000 people in Manchester? That doesn’t seem fair to me. I mean, for the Roses to come back and be as big as they are, when they only really did 1½ records, that’s fucking amazing! Isn’t it?

People are stupid indeed. 😈

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

In Manchester, New Order played 2 nights at the Apollo for 6,000 people. The Stone Roses come back and do 225,000 people in Manchester? That doesn’t seem fair to me. I mean, for the Roses to come back and be as big as they are, when they only really did 1½ records, that’s fucking amazing! Isn’t it?

People are stupid indeed. 😈

I could never understand that insane popularity of the Stone Roses. I guess one had to live in Britain in '88-'89 to get it. But still, years later, whenever they get together, they attract the biggest crowds. Technically, it was all down to one single album. The 1994 LP was hardly a game changer.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Do you really like it? I find it incredibly dull, with the exception of (obviously) Regret and Special and maybe Everyone Everywhere. It was the combination of Republic, The Rest Of and Raise The Pressure that got my enthusiasm dwindling.

I know most people think its a stinker but its just one of those things. I really bought into the glossy image of it all at the time. Savilles glossy artworks, the glossy production, appearing with The Hoff for Top Of The Pops, it was all OTT and the complete antithesis of the gloomy looking Manchester sounds and images from the past. Plus, I think the summer of 1993 was a sunny one and it blended nicely with that too.

Fook, Republic is twenty years old. I feel old now.