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I was a huge fan of Razormaid during their golden period of the late '80s, having bought many of the original monthly issues on vinyl, and picking up all three of the CD box sets in 1992. I bought the first In Hindsight collection when it was compiled in 1997.Yesterday I listened to In Hindsight II for the first time. Holy cow, what a load of CRAP. The classic Razormaid sound was generally a re-edit with some additional EQ, and sometimes a reworking from the master tapes. It always retained the feel of the original song, with more emphasis on the beat, and DJ-friendly intros, outros, and breaks.In Hindsight II was Joseph Watt discovering how to digitally adjust the tempo of a track without shifting the key, and going crazy. No one wants to dance to a s l o w e r Confusion. He abandoned his keen ear for editing in favor of a kitchen sink approach, grabbing 4 bars here and 4 bars there, jamming them together where they don't make sense, instead of carefully restructuring the track in a way that maintained a consistent feel. The original idea behind Razormaid was to streamline tracks that were forward-thinking, and this was him going in the complete opposite direction, making tracks more complicated.He was always a greedy a-hole (I've had very unpleasant, personal dealings with the man), but he at least put out a quality product. In Hindsight II sounds like it was thrown together in a single afternoon as a blatant cash-grab from the fans, banking on New Order's name and Razormaid's past reputation.(And don't get me started on his claims of copyright. His original deal with the labels was no more than 1000 copies of any track pressed, but 20-plus years later he's now selling CD-Rs through his website. He's never paid any royalties.)

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In Hindsight II is a very unsatisfying listening experience.

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not your favoutite then?

[blackeye] [:d]

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Hope you were breathing while letting that out?

Feel better now? Good.

[:eek]

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At last, I thought, I can get the Razormaid mixes.

They were atrocious. My ex, who caught me listening to them whilst doing the housework, voiced the opinion that IH2 was "Shit". She was right.

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Does anyone have a copy of the razor maid remix of "Mr. Disco"? If so could you contact me and send it to me? Thanks

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Razorshite are fucking shit. Splice and repeat and throw five pounds away. 586 was the first I heard, on a bootleg double album 'Decadence'. I remember thinking, What a pointless waste of time - I could've done that meself with basic equipment and a free mo(u)rning. Subsequent mixes haven't changed my opinion.

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The razormaid mixes of subculture blow away the official ones, and are much better, and some of the other ones are good too, and better than the official ones.

Don't let people just give their opinions, actually go out and listen to them.

later -1

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50poundnote wrote: I was a huge fan of Razormaid ...

So to do strikethrough you use an (s) and an (/s) in square brackets. Is that a dropdown option or do you just have to know it from somewhere?

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The Razormaid mix of Subculture (aka Record Mirror Mix) is the only one version I listen to & has been for several years.

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I bought a Razormaid mix of Depeche Mode a good, oooh...25 years or so ago. It was shite and has remained stuck at the bottom of a mountain of vinyl ever since. Good to hear the Razormaid mark of quality has been applied to other bands - reading this has brought all those shitty memories crashing back into my brain for the first time in decades 💀

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Ken Doherty wrote: I bought a Razormaid mix of Depeche Mode a good, oooh...25 years or so ago. It was sh*te and has remained stuck at the bottom of a mountain of vinyl ever since. Good to hear the Razormaid mark of quality has been applied to other bands - reading this has brought all those shitty memories crashing back into my brain for the first time in decades 💀

you guys just have bad luck, ok, some of the early ones were rough (putting it nicely), but later ones eclipsed most of the official mixes.

  • erasure
  • cabaret voltaire
  • kraftwerk

in fact some bands even used the rezormaids on their official releases

  • red flag

again, your mileage varies... i personally like, and own a lot of razormaid releases, hot tracks, DMC and many other DJ service remixes.

later -1

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I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?

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Adam Stanley wrote: I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?

Exactly the same thing happened to me on a copy that must have been 8 or so years old. Even emailed them at the time asking if they could send a replacement. But no reply - not even sure if they're a going concern. Just left with a very lo-fi MP3 version I converted from a Sony ATRAC CD grab I made at a terrible bitrate back in the day.

Goes to show the importance of making lossless rips of CD-Rs - which have a much shorter lifespan than regular CDs. Also interested if anyone has decent quality MP3 or (ideally) lossless.

Mind you, as alluded to above, they really were just rubbish fan edits I rarely ever listened to anyway!

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I have .m4a files of In Hindsight II around the 262kbps range.

If those will do, PM me.

As regards the first In Hindsight compilation, I only have 160kbps mp3s.

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Yes, the quality of these CDs is very bad. I have tried to rip them in Wav files. The process never reaches the end of the CDs... [:(]

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perspexorange wrote: I have .m4a files of In Hindsight II around the 262kbps range.

If those will do, PM me.

As regards the first In Hindsight compilation, I only have 160kbps mp3s.

Perspex, looks like your inbox is full.

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Sorry. I leave it around 97/100 messages, as I don’t really want to delete lots of messages. Consequently, as soon as I get one or two messages and respond to one, it’s full again.

It never stays full for any length of time though and I clear it back down to 97 each time I get one. So, if anyone else wants these, either keep trying by PM or post here, and I’ll pick it up.

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Adam Stanley wrote: I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?

Funnily enough, I ripped these to flac from the original cd-rs last week, if anyone wants them contact me and I’ll send you a wetransfer link for either or both.

If anyone has the Recycle downloads from a few years ago, I’m looking for those following a HD crash.

Cheers

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lazlo 2 wrote: If anyone has the Recycle downloads from a few years ago, I’m looking for those following a HD crash.

http://www.50poundnote.com/neworder/

These are the AAC versions. Also added a folder of upgraded artwork for their entire Factory output 1981-1990.

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Thanks, appreciate that!

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Thanks, 50!

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perspexorange wrote: Sorry. I leave it around 97/100 messages, as I don’t really want to delete lots of messages. Consequently, as soon as I get one or two messages and respond to one, it’s full again.

It never stays full for any length of time though and I clear it back down to 97 each time I get one. So, if anyone else wants these, either keep trying by PM or post here, and I’ll pick it up.

you can archive messages if you need more space.

also you can export messages and save them that way too.

i had a ton of messages when i was working on projects, and eventually had to make room for more.

that worked for me.

later -1

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Thanks for this -1.

I always thought though that the 'archive' took up more room in one's quota.

For instance, I've just gone and deleted a load of messages and archived a load too. It currently says:

"You have 37 private messages: 0 in Inbox and 7 in Outbox, 30 In Archive from a total of 100 allowed. Your mail box is filled to 37.00%"

So 0 Inbox + 7 outbox + 30 Archive = 37 messages. Therefore 37% full.

Therefore, moving messages to the archive isn't actually going to save me any room, I don't think. Or have I misunderstood?

As regards 'exporting', I tried to do this before but, for some reason, not all messages seemed to have been exported.

Anyway, I have loads of room now, so should avoid any blockages for a while. :-)

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Well, it appears that Joseph Watt, who did a lot of these Razormaid remixes, has found 3 unreleased versions of 'Sub-Culture'.

I'm not sure if 'Facebook' links will work for everyone (you possibly need to be on FB), but here's the relevant post:

https://www.facebook.com/razormaid/posts/10224983104312617

If not, here are the links to the individual remixes on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-snare-from-hell-instrumental?fbclid=IwAR3b5H4IDQkH-Bc-LwXcoGMoQtEhj1mKwsj34RWNJmN2HkSe-\_SHobtzs4k

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-snare-from-hell-vocal?fbclid=IwAR2--TZk5IVNxulvQyZNHU\_wZZLsqWgwF3r4eLtzkxpHxOnsWJVfACvoBNE

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-r-1-instrumental?fbclid=IwAR1ztc2KnUWKMGoeVtZDsntQAoSWIeBJUXg0SntvWdv8JrHynd-m35WBFPE

I haven't had chance to listen to these yet, so don't blame me if they're crap!

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perspexorange wrote: Well, it appears that Joseph Watt, who did a lot of these Razormaid remixes, has found 3 unreleased versions of 'Sub-Culture'.

There are already 3 Razormaid versions - Sarm West, Berlin, and one with added vocals by Deborah Iyall from Romeo Void. Jeez, Joseph, if you didn't get it right the first time, give it up. Razormaid was much better when they were doing re-edits of existing mixes, and not using the master tracks to mix something new from the ground up.

Incidentally, the Sarm West mix is the one used by Record Mirror.

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perspexorange wrote: Well, it appears that Joseph Watt, who did a lot of these Razormaid remixes, has found 3 unreleased versions of 'Sub-Culture'.

I'm not sure if 'Facebook' links will work for everyone (you possibly need to be on FB), but here's the relevant post:

https://www.facebook.com/razormaid/posts/10224983104312617

If not, here are the links to the individual remixes on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-snare-from-hell-instrumental?fbclid=IwAR3b5H4IDQkH-Bc-LwXcoGMoQtEhj1mKwsj34RWNJmN2HkSe-\_SHobtzs4k

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-snare-from-hell-vocal?fbclid=IwAR2--TZk5IVNxulvQyZNHU\_wZZLsqWgwF3r4eLtzkxpHxOnsWJVfACvoBNE

https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235/new-order-subculture-unreleased-r-1-instrumental?fbclid=IwAR1ztc2KnUWKMGoeVtZDsntQAoSWIeBJUXg0SntvWdv8JrHynd-m35WBFPE

I haven't had chance to listen to these yet, so don't blame me if they're crap!

not bad. they just have a really loud snare, and some other effects.

there is an instrumental version also.

thanks for the share.

better than the official mixes, if you didn't like the discoey takes with the backup singers.

also noticed joseph watt did a red flag - blue monday 2020 cover also.

later -1

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Update!

I had previously been in touch with Razormaid about getting replacements for my CDs. At first, it sounded like no big deal. And then I realized everything with them is a huge deal. Then you all helped me out and I stopped caring about getting replacements from them. Then all of a sudden I got some emails about files be ready for me. They send me AAC 256 and Lossless versions of both CDs. In case anyone still needs them in lossless form, I've got them shared. Feel free to reshare if you want, but please keep this link private.

https://apsco-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/g/personal/astanley\_echoes\_com/Elbz-K9-CnBEsaNVgvFgEaYBKCynw7LsIf6edKjVLWgJ3A?e=pYfpj0 password: razormaid

They've also posted some previously unreleased mixes of Subculture and Blue Monday at https://soundcloud.com/joseph-watt-862164235 if you are interested.

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Thanks for that! [:)]

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