Hooky Speaks Again: "They're not using the right instruments"

Good news is that he says The Light will do every lp through Sirens.

Hooky to Billboard

Another one:

http://www.thedumbingofamerica.net/2013/08/27/peter-hook-the-movement-and-power-corruption-and-lies-interview/

Todd: Once and for all, can you tell us what “ICB” stands for?

Peter: Haha… this is an interesting one that gets talked about quite a lot. Firstly, let me just say that I love this song. It’s absolutely wonderful to be revisiting it now. The way the bass, drums and guitar all flirt around with each other on this one is great. As for what ICB stands for, I’ve seen a lot of speculation online that it stands for “Ian Curtis Buried” but as far as I’m aware this isn’t true… I think sometimes people just tend to read too much into things, what with it being a song on the first album we’d recorded since we lost Ian. But actually, I seem to remember us taking the initials ICB from the logo of a cargo company which we’d seen on the motorway, or something really trivial like that! I will have to rack my brains some more on this one but I’m sure that it was actually something as boring and trivial as that, sorry to disappoint everyone!

Yeah, I didn't see The Light use a Voyetra, or an Arp Quadra or DR-55?

Mmmmmmm, were New Order not New Order when Gillian left for a while,and if someone goes to a gig and doesnt know Hooky aint playing then they gotta be a Bros fan.

Anyways not long till Reading and Brighton Rock.

Im waiting for the sirens call

I do admire his ambition to play every song he's recorded. If Lowlife and Brotherhood are next, then surely next couple to be played together from his career are first Technique and then One True Passion, his Revenge opus. I mean, I'm sure he wouldn't negate his Monaco and Revenge years when revisiting his past.

"I get messages all the time from people that, 'I went to see New Order, and you weren't there.'"

Yeah, alright. Dream on, Hooky.

This really grinds my goat, if that's a phrase. Hooky isn't using his original bass. His band doesn't have the same singer as it does on the records. And Hooky doesn't play bass on huge chunks of The Lights set because he's singing. And they probably don't use the original sequencers. People in glass houses shouldn't do interviews... or something.

He [Hooky] said a mouthful of bullshit, as usual...

Does it mean Kraftwerk stopped being Kraftwerk when they replaced/updated their original mellotron, or started using Vaio's and iPads instead of Doepfers and Akai DD1000 Digital Recorders?

I seem to remember adverts for the 2012 tour that clearly listed the names of the band members, as well.

Jailbait Spider wrote: "I get messages all the time from people that, 'I went to see New Order, and you weren't there.'"

Yeah, alright. Dream on, Hooky.

Just feeling compelled to say that as a guy who has access to his social network pages, I can confirm that this still happens. A lot. Especially in America. Whether people believe/like it or not.

markreed wrote: This really grinds my goat, if that's a phrase. Hooky isn't using his original bass. His band doesn't have the same singer as it does on the records. And Hooky doesn't play bass on huge chunks of The Lights set because he's singing. And they probably don't use the original sequencers. People in glass houses shouldn't do interviews... or something.

I want to see Peter Hack and band lug all that bullshit onto the stage. Get all the original stuff, so we hear it exactly like the record is supposed to sound. Just like this:

. Because you know that'll be worth it to see all that ridiculous gear on stage.

Trawling over the old albums would suggest to me that he has no intention of ever trying to come up with new songs.

Jailbait Spider wrote: "I get messages all the time from people that, 'I went to see New Order, and you weren't there.'"

Yeah, alright. Dream on, Hooky.

Actually, if you watch the footage of New Order at, for example, Jodrell Bank it turns out that Hooky isnt there[eek3]

And one of the sad things about New Order, or shall we say the incarnation now, is they don't use the correct instruments and it doesn't sound the same. Maybe they wanted to change the songs, but it doesn't sound as good to me."

I don't understand why he has an issue with 'correct instruments'.... whatever that is. Realistically, it's impractical to use the same exact equipment forever. And of course the songs aren't exactly the same as the album, as many of them are arranged! That's the point. And even though the arranging is more thorough in this New Order, it's not like New Order with Hooky always played the songs as they were on the albums/singles.... when was the last time BLT, Blue Monday, TF etc were played exactly the same as the record/LP whatever? If Hooky doesn't like the new arrangements of the songs live, then fine, but his remark doesn't make sense.

What he means is the Bass. Shergold, Yamaha etc.

The Light shows are celebrations of the LPs. It make sense that there's more emphasis on reproducing the sounds and arrangements of the original tracks.

Andy wrote: The Light shows are celebrations of the LPs. It make sense that there's more emphasis on reproducing the sounds and arrangements of the original tracks.

It's a weird thing because usually only tribute bands try to reproduce songs note perfect.................Oh hold on. Having said that The Light do provide a good night out but I would much prefer Hooky come up with some new stuff.

It takes less time to google "Who is in New Order?" than it does to buy a ticket for a show. Anyone who doesn't know Hooky left the band a few years ago must be living under a rock on the moon, it's not as if it's a huge secret that nobody knows. I feel about those emails the same as I do about people who get angry the guy in the hat in Guns N Roses isn't Slash : there's no subterfuge here, the lineup has been on a lot of posters, everyone has done a lot of interviews, if you don't know that Hooky left New Order, well, you don't get much sympathy from me - you haven't been paying any attention, you have no right to get angry.

I like Hooky but ever since his 'NO have split' blogs he seems to be on a one-man mission to annoy as many people as possible. 'New Odour', um how old are you exactly? Pooh-pants! You smell! I'm tellin' Sir!

Just feeling compelled to say that as a guy who has access to his social network pages, I can confirm that this still happens. A lot. Especially in America. Whether people believe/like it or not.

I think the issue is, with all this social media and the fact that Hooky & The Light have already done the states and are doing so again (& book promotions), coupled with New Order (without our bass god being there) have been a few times then the music loving world let alone the fans of J.D. N.O. and all the side projects must be aware of what has gone on and that Hooky ain't playing with them anymore...

..... As for me, performing every album live is maybe an ideal for living, so carry on and hopefully when you do Low Life & Brotherhood he can dig out some of the old gig tapes and do them more as they were live rather than as the studio recording, as IMHO both so much better that way.

Volturno wrote: Another one:

http://www.thedumbingofamerica.net/2013/08/27/peter-hook-the-movement-and-power-corruption-and-lies-interview/

Todd: Once and for all, can you tell us what “ICB” stands for?

Peter: Haha… this is an interesting one that gets talked about quite a lot. Firstly, let me just say that I love this song. It’s absolutely wonderful to be revisiting it now. The way the bass, drums and guitar all flirt around with each other on this one is great. As for what ICB stands for, I’ve seen a lot of speculation online that it stands for “Ian Curtis Buried” but as far as I’m aware this isn’t true… I think sometimes people just tend to read too much into things, what with it being a song on the first album we’d recorded since we lost Ian. But actually, I seem to remember us taking the initials ICB from the logo of a cargo company which we’d seen on the motorway, or something really trivial like that! I will have to rack my brains some more on this one but I’m sure that it was actually something as boring and trivial as that, sorry to disappoint everyone!

This makes sense to me. The titles tended to be random and even interchangeable, and I always thought 'Ian Curtis Buried' was the kinda thing you could read OUT of it, but not the kinda thing you'd start with and then abbreviate. What's next, HFW (Hooky Fucked Whores)? It was similar to that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds / LSD thing, which they always said was a coincidence and I believed it. For a start, there was no need for the Beatles to be snide about taking drugs, everyone knew anyway, and at that point they could've been humping kangaroos and the world'd still've loved 'em, It's The BEATLES, AWESOME! Plus, if you're a writer of Lennon's calibre and wanted to think of L - S - D, you'd think up something smoother than Lucy, and she's in the Sky, oh and there are some fucking Diamonds there too! See what I did there? Clever, ain't I Paul.

Regarding ICB: I suspected the title was a reference to this 1980 arcade game. In the game, you fired ABM's (Anti Ballistic Missiles) to destroy the incoming ICBM's (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). A feature of the song is a repeated, descending sound effect and surely at least Steve was aware of the games existence.

Andy wrote: Regarding ICB: I suspected the title was a reference to this 1980 arcade game. In the game, you fired ABM's (Anti Ballistic Missiles) to destroy the incoming ICBM's (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). A feature of the song is a repeated, descending sound effect and surely at least Steve was aware of its existence.

Always reminded me of Space Invaders. I like the way the drums kick in at the end, but I prefer beer.

So wait, will Gwen Stefani/New Order's The Real Thing be in the mix?

Todd: In retrospect, do you wish that the production on the album had been done differently? What would you have done that Martin didn’t do?

Peter: I think the album still sounds great – which is a real compliment to the band and to Martin, after all this time. So in that respect I wouldn’t want to change anything in terms of the production of it. But I guess with the benefit of hindsight I would make some changes to the recording process I suppose. Martin took Ian’s death extremely badly, which of course is fair enough, we all did too, but Martin really loved Ian and the way Ian worked. To him, Ian was the genius and the rest of us were the idiots. So when it came to recording Movement with all of the idiots and no genius, he made things quite difficult. Mainly this was because he absolutely hated the idea of either me, Barney or Steve singing anything. He thought we were all rubbish singers, which was a fair comment I suppose! I think it’s for this reason that the vocals on Movement are very tentative and quite shy sounding, Martin didn’t believe in the vocals enough to give them a proper representation. I understand all this now but at the time it was not an easy environment to work in.

I wonder if Hook is exaggerating this bit.

No offense to all the great lyricists out there, but you could be friggin' Shakespeare but if you're in a rock band and the music stinks I don't think anyone is going to give a damn about what you're saying...

There was an interview with BS and PH in the NME about the making of UP (I speak in codes. Not very oblique one though) and it really did give the impression it was essentially Martin and Ian's baby. It seemed like B/H were more into rocking out, they couldn't hear the words, and going to the pub while Martin got nutsy in the studio. I don't know of course, but I remember thinking it came across that way.

Jack wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: "I get messages all the time from people that, 'I went to see New Order, and you weren't there.'"

Yeah, alright. Dream on, Hooky.

Just feeling compelled to say that as a guy who has access to his social network pages, I can confirm that this still happens. A lot. Especially in America. Whether people believe/like it or not.

I believe in you, and I bet these same people also complained about New Order not performing their major hits: In Between Days and Enjoy The Silence.

Jack wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: "I get messages all the time from people that, 'I went to see New Order, and you weren't there.'"

Yeah, alright. Dream on, Hooky.

Just feeling compelled to say that as a guy who has access to his social network pages, I can confirm that this still happens. A lot. Especially in America. Whether people believe/like it or not.

oh i belive this 100% because i've heard similar stories with other bands. years ago, i had a older co-worker who was excited to go see Journey(when Steve Augeri was still with them). i told him not to waste his time cause Perry wasn't with them anymore. however, he didn't listen and got the shock of his life when they stepped out on stage. he was complaining to his buddies, "who the f*ck is this guy?!"

Tim wrote: If you want to hear an example of Hooky not playing the bass the right way to one of his own basslines, have a listen to Leave Me Alone at Gloucester 1984!!

http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New\_Order-19840819\_Leave\_Me\_Alone\_intro.mp3

At the end of the day, Tom is changing some of the iconic bass riffs slightly. No reason why he shouldn't. He's not in a tribute band, and after all most bits of many of the songs are a but different to how they are on record. No reason why he should look to emulate Hooky's sound either. Most of the songs that Hooky used the Shergold on didn't need a six string bass, but its unique tone suited how Hooky wanted them to sound. Fair play to Tom for not feeling the need to use a Shergold, and for feeling confident enough to do it his way.

Agreed. Even if he doesn't use a Shergold it doesn't matter. If Tom was using a 6 string, I bet there'd be criticism then too!

Tom's in a no-win situation: emulate Hooky and he's accused of copy-catting, play differently and they're accused of losing the distinctive sound.