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ok, thanks to 50pound note, and his friends, we had an excellent version of what recycle the box set would have been like.

but what about the rest? the ones that came after world in motion?

it's time to revisit that idea.

i'm slowly working on the listings, and will be posting them on a blog shortly..

basically it will cover these singles:

1 regret 2 ruined in a day 3 world 4 spooky

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

8 blue monday 95 9 video 586 9b brutal 10 true faith 2001

11 crystal 12 60 mph 13 someone like you 14 here to stay 14b world in motion 2002 15 confusion 2002

16 krafty 17 jetstream 18 waiting for the sirens call 19 guilt is a useless emotion 19b hellbent

we will visit each single separately, and see what tracks can go on them.

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the following singles won't be represented:

808 state acid house mixes jamx deleon - blue monday 2005 run wild record store day - ceremony

dj mixes crystal competition mixes

some, but not all the tracks from the 12x12 singles.

that will be a separate project.

as an added bonus disc,

20 the peter saville show sountrack will be included.

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/saville.html

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If you start uploading mass amounts of copyrighted material Warner Music may get a little cross with you.

Not to mention the band and/or their management who are known to actively read these forums.

Most of what you're proposing above is still purchasable or widely available second hand so people can still buy it.

If the New Order Archives who offered obscure live shows was hit with a cease and desist, how long do you really think your public "Recycle 2" will last?

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NotAMod wrote: If you start uploading mass amounts of copyrighted material Warner Music may get a little cross with you.

Not to mention the band and/or their management who are known to actively read these forums.

Most of what you're proposing above is still purchasable or widely available second hand so people can still buy it.

If the New Order Archives who offered obscure live shows was hit with a cease and desist, how long do you really think your public "Recycle 2" will last?

i'm not worried in the least bit.

it's a private blog.

i'm just announcing it here.

no harm in discussing their music.

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Assuming you're not planning on uploading any tracks (just discuss fantasy track listings) then even still, why?

There are plenty of New Order Discographies around the web encompassing the London Records-era singles; not to mention Discogs.

If you're planning on actually uploading tracks then... er, see above again.

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for the first title from the first set of singles, we look at regret:

regret was the return of new order, with the album republic.

there were several remixes, spread across vinyl and cd.

most of the mixes were on the cd-single.

the sabres slow n low edit was on retro.

all of these are sourced of cd. the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes, also there was a french promo cd, that had those also.

the radio edit is exclusive from:

http://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Regret/release/878375

for the first single we have these:

---------------------------------------------------------1 regret (or 7 inch version)              4:08  v, cd, cs, ld optional -regret (radio edit)             3:50  cd  2 regret (the new order mix)              5:10  v, cd, cs3 regret (fire island mix)                7:15  v, cd, cs4 regret (junior dub mix)                 7:44  v, cd, cs5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low)            12:49  v, cd6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb)          12:11  v, cd7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit)       6:41  cd================================about 52 minutes

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NOTE : the private blog is up, which will have previews, PM me for an invite

i'll still post updates here for discussion, since its easier using a forum:

heres some early artwork,

conventional:

alternate:

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-1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

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tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

thanks, need all the help i can get... i will actually try to match up the fonts wherever i can..

this is a very early draft..

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What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it? 'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

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No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it?

yes, according to both:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/

http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries)

'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released.

the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song.

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987.

everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks..

and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them.

i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also.

later -1

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Ruined in a day was the second single:

2 separate cd singles came out.

also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo), and a few later promo mixes on cd.

there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle', which was an instrumental with one mix on cd, and the other on cassette.

================1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version)  3:58  v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix)         5:44  v, cd, cs3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)   6:14  v, cd, cs4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit)     4:30  v, cd, cs5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12")    4:30  v, cd, cs6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove)   5:25  v, cd, cs7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub)    4:28  v, cd, cs8 ruined in a day (live mix)            4:30  v, cd, cs9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)        3:55  cd10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)       6:14  v, cd, cs  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)        6:14  v, cs==================================58 minutes12 vicious circle (mike haas mix)        3:23  cd, cs13 vicious circle (new order mix)        4:09  cs--------------------------------------------------------------total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sec

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here is some early artwork for 'ruined in a day':

conventional:

alternate:

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ok, just to clarify some issues.

i've been asked a few questions, so will reply to them here.

  1. what is the goal of this project?

to create a supplemental listing of new order tracks similar to the previously released recycled project

  1. is this for sale?

definitely not. this is a fan based project, made for personal and private, non-public use.

  1. what is the blog for?

the blog is for a more private sharing of the ideas with more freedom than the forum or mailing list

  1. how do i sign up?

pm or email me. once you do that, you can sign up by yourself for an account. or alternatively, i can invite you if you provide an email.

  1. where are all the tracks?

there aren't any yet. if there are, they will be preview versions.

this project has 3 stages) 1- pre-production 2) production 3) final release

we are currently at stage 1

  1. what is the final product?

a listing of the files, and perhaps a playlist, and artwork for anything further consult the blog for updates.

thanks for your participation, or you just want to lurk and observe, feel free to do so.

however, those that participate with ideas, tracks, artwork, will receive the most benefit.

thanks again, and enjoy.

later -1

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the blog has been updated:

  • first preview updates
  • updated tracks listing reference to v1.06 with new additions

check it out.

later -1

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Recycle 2 - Series 1

Series 1======================1 regret2 ruined in a day3 world4 spooky----------------------------------------For series 1, we have the following:------------------------------------regret was the return of new order,with the album republic.there were several remixes, spreadacross vinyl and cd.most of the mixes were on the cd-single.the sabres slow n low edit was on retro.all of these are sourced of cd.the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes,also there was a french promo cd, that had those also.for the first single we have these:---------------------------------------------------------1 regret (or 7 inch version)               4:08  v, cd, cs, ld 2 regret (the new order mix)               5:10  v, cd, cs3 regret (fire island mix)                 7:15  v, cd, cs4 regret (junior dub mix)                  7:44  v, cd, cs5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low)            12:49  v, cd6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb)          12:11  v, cd7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit)        6:41  cd================================about 52 minutestracks 1-4 from uk/us cd singletracks 5-6 from japanese Republic/french promo cd singletrack 7 from retro boxed setRuined in a day was thesecond single:2 separate cd singles came out.also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo),and a few later promo mixes on cd.there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle',which was an instrumental with one mix on cd,and the other on cassette.================1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version)  3:58  v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix)                  5:44  v, cd, cs3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)            6:14  v, cd, cs4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit)      4:30  v, cd, cs5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12")             4:30  v, cd, cs6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove)            5:25  v, cd, cs7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub)             4:28  v, cd, cs8 ruined in a day (live mix)                     4:30  v, cd, cs9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)                 3:55  cd10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)               6:14  v, cd, cs  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)                6:14  v, cs==================================58 minutes12 vicious circle (mike haas mix)                3:23  cd, cs13 vicious circle (new order mix)                4:09  cs--------------------------------------------------------------total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sectracks 1-3, 12 from uk cd1tracks 4-8, from uk cd2track 9, from uk promo cdtrack 10, from rest of cdtrack 11, from us/uk promo 12"track 13, from uk cs, sourced from 'recycle excerpts cd'the third single: worldthis was also a multi format release spanningmany different mixes.there were 2 separate cd singles following thepattern of the last single.most of the mixes were included on the 2nd single.===========================1 world (perfecto edit)                       3:58  cd, cs2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs3 world (perfecto mix)                        7:33  v, cd, cs 4 world (sexy disco dub)                      5:56  v, cd, cs  5 world (the brothers in rhythm mix)          8:03  v, cd, cs  6 world (the brothers dubstrumental)          5:39  v, cd  7 world (world in action mix)                 5:51  v, cd, cs 8 world (pharmacy dub)                        7:06  v, cd9 world (the price of dub)                    6:48  v10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 11 world (tony garcia radio edit)             3:28  cd         =================================60 minutestracks 1-4 from uk cd1tracks 5-8 from uk cd2track 9 from ruined in a day uk 12"track 10 from us cdtrack 11 from cd 'excerpts from recycle'=====================================================spooky, the 4th and final single:the first part concentrated on the remixesdone by the group fluke. (another one of myfavorite bands).=======================================================1 spooky (minimix or radio edit)       3:48  cd, cs, ld     2 spooky (magimix)                     6:55  v, cd, cs3 spooky (moulimix)                    5:49  v, cd, cs4 spooky (out of order mix)            6:19  v, cd 5 spooky (stadium mix)                 6:30  v, cd 6 spooky (neworder in heaven)          6:10  v, cd7 spooky (boo! dub mix)                4:56  v, cd 8 spooky (stadium instrumental)        6:32  v, cd9 spooky (night tripper mix)           7:02  v, cd===================================================53mintracks 1-3 from uk cd1tracks 4-8 from uk cd2track 9 from us cd/uk cd for 1963-95============================================totals  : 40 songspromos  : 2formats : 2 vinyl, 1 cassette, 37 cd============================================

Time : 4 hours

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tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

here's some updated versions with the tracklistings:

conventional:

alternate:

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Some test renders of box, book, cd:

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negative1 wrote:

No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it?

yes, according to both:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/

http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries)

'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released.

the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song.

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987. everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks..

and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them.

i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also.

later -1

Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss.

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Andy wrote: Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss.

agreed, but still fun to chronicle.

the last good album from them was in 1983 with 'power corruption and lies', although 'low-life' was very good, and 'brotherhood' was ok.

i don't really like their albums, but they have a lot of variety in their mixes.

i listen to a lot of techno, and electronica, so when they have gone down that road, i tend to listen. some of the mixes of 'waiting for the sirens call', such as the planet funk one were very listenable,as were blue monday 95 mixes by hardfloor, and others. there's a handful from here and there that add up to a decent collection.

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3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)            6:14  v, cd, cs10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)               6:14  v, cd, cs  
2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 

These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

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reg guy wrote: wasn't this already done? like everything on mp3, nice graphics. even a wooden box as I recall.

http://mail.spotnick.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=43797

not really.

did you get anything out of that? was anything released?

did anybody share it?

completely different project, with a similar idea, thats about it.

this is more like a continuation of the work that 50pound did with their recycle project.

later -1

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I don't really see the point, as most of those songs are pretty available (auction, iTunes-type services, etc)..... And it could get you in trouble. I don't make these kinds of rules, but you know, we have to abide by them.

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Endlessly cataloging the various edits and remix variations will bloat the project and will turn many people off. The reason the original Recycle was a success was because there were barely any remixes on the earlier singles and even by the time of Technique there were only two or three. It didn't cover every obscure edit or bootleg mix and was all the better for it; it was succinct. Cataloging 25+ remixes of Crystal or 15+ of Jetstream is just a bit dull and OCD really. A further reason the original Recycle was a success was due to the sound on these various CD and vinyl tracks being enhanced; are there any audio specialists working on your Recycle 2?

The point still stands a lot of the material you will be releasing is still available to buy and giving it away en masse for free to "anyone who sends me a PM" will dent the band's income; we're not talking swapping a few FLACs or the odd album under the radar. At least the original Recycle focused mostly on tracks which were long out of print or languishing on dusty Factory vinyl.

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not everyone has or uses itunes. i sure haven't seen any of the many promo mixes out there, or am i missing something?

what about the vinyl only tracks? the compilation only ones?

most of these tracks are sourced from cd, so not a lot of work needs to be done to them.

this is a private project, if you're not interested. that's your prerogative.

plenty of people have expressed interest in it. just like they did with the 'interational 2' - 4cd set. quite a few appreciated that also.

maybe the band will come out with something official someday.

we can only hope.

later -1

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update to blog:

  • ruined in a day preview up,

changed tracklisting by removing K-klass remix, which was the same as the reunited in a day remix

- added previews for PROMO ONLY versions- 9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)                 3:55  cd  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)                6:14  v, csadded instrumental from cassette remastered- 13 vicious circle (new order mix)                4:09  cs

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Early artwork for Series 1 - Disc 3 - World:

Standard:

Alternate:

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leather-girl wrote: I don't really see the point, as most of those songs are pretty available (auction, iTunes-type services, etc).....

where exactly are we supposed to find these?

where are you looking????? i can't check itunes JAPAN, but i doubt it has very much either.

i checked itunes USA:

Series 1

1 regret - 4 out 7 mixes 2 ruined in a day - 1 out 11 mixes, 0 out of 2 b-sides 3 world - 1 out of 11 mixes 4 spooky - 8 out of 9 mixes

Series 2

5 true faith 94 - 0 out of 9 mixes 6 1963-94 - 0 out of 7 mixes 7 lets go - 0 out of 4 mixes (salvation tracks)

Series 3

8 blue monday 95 - 0 out of 12 mixes 9 video 586 - 0 out of 4 brutal - missing 10 true faith 2001 - 0 out of 9 mixes

Series 4

11 crystal part 1 - 1 out of 13, missing 5 b-sides 12 crystal part 2 - 60 mph - 0 out of 4, missing b-side 13 someone like you - 0 out 8 mixes 14 here to stay - 1 out of 4, missing b-side world in motion 2002 missing 15 confusion 2002 - 0 out of 12 mixes

Series 5

16 krafty - 7 out of 13 mixes 17 jetstream - 8 out of 13 mixes 18 waiting for the sirens call - 0 out of 10 mixes 19 guilt is a useless emotion - 5 out of 13 mixes hellbent - has it

so basically, you can only find 36 out of 180-200 tracks..

thats about 20%.

what a joke.


amazon is a lot worse, only has a few more mixes for 'guilt is a useless emotion', thats its.

and buying 20-25 singles off ebay, is way too much time and effort for most people.

itunes UK is the worst of all, only has the 'spooky' single and best of mixes.


this project is a lot easier to deal with, and have everything conveniently located.

later -1

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I personally do like remixes, but I have no desire to collect every remix (official or unofficial) that's ever been made. If it's not available digitally, I suppose some might look at auction sites (Ebay etc) or something to find what they want. I know there's a Buy/Trade/Sell section both here and on neworderweb, so fans who have a lot of things can trade or sell some items they want.

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leather-girl wrote: I personally do like remixes, but I have no desire to collect every remix (official or unofficial) that's ever been made. If it's not available digitally, I suppose some might look at auction sites (Ebay etc) or something to find what they want. I know there's a Buy/Trade/Sell section both here and on neworderweb, so fans who have a lot of things can trade or sell some items they want.

no one's forcing anyone to listen or get all of these.

i just think its disingenous to say, 'oh, they are available online', when in fact, the vast majority aren't.

if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

i've already mentioned it's too inconvenient to find 20-25 singles individually on ebay, amazon.

also, you never answered my question, what about all the promo mixes, vinyl, and compilation tracks?

there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited, waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

some of the promo's are completely out of print.

this is just a fun project for fans of new order.

just like the original recycle project, which now seems to have had a lot more of it's tracks officially released. but still a lot more that haven't been.

if you don't want to hear the majority of their work, i guess we can always go back to talking about ian curtis's table?

too me, the whole point of new order, is their music, good and bad.

perhaps you don't think of them as a music band? which is odd, since you wanted to see their music book?

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I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

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on a management note.

the blog has quite a few members now. so we're ending enrollment for the project.

those that joined, will continue to get updates, and what's posted here will be match it.

thanks for all the support, and we'll continue to explore new order's music in depth there.

later -1

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leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

well thank you for your thoughts. although quite a few fans don't think it's pointless. i guess we shouldn't be judged less of a fan, because we are interested either.

50pound, and others knew the risk, and it didn't stop them. it's not stopping me either, but thanks for mentioning it.

again, there will be a lot more posts of pictures and their books. which you can check out.i'll be getting back to those soon.

later -1

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negative1 wrote: if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

They do, it just requires a bit of effort, how did other fans come to acquire them? I think while the original Recycle was beautifully executed and important one of the downsides was it created a side-effect of automatic entitlement with some people. I believe £50 Note commented on that himself at one point when some people almost demanded lossless copies over AAC. Now some expect whole releases to be available to them at a click and absolutely free of charge. It hasn't set a great precedent but there were no doubts £50 Note genuinely hoped the record label would pick up the project and run with it. The point remains with each of these mass give aways the chances of the label doing something (however slim) reduce further and your Recycle 2 will have the same impact once it hits the torrent sites (and it will, no matter how "private" you make it).

negative1 wrote: also, you never answered my question, what about all the promo mixes, vinyl, and compilation tracks?

What about them? If you want them go and hunt them down, that's what I and many others here had to do sometimes at considerable cost. Sometimes via private trades over E-mail but mostly via Ebay. Again, there's that entitlement...

negative1 wrote: there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

That's disingenuous because as you know it's mainly remixes, they only had 5 sporadic b-sides post-Factory:

Vicious Circle, Behind Closed Doors, Sabotage, Player In The League and Such A Good Thing - in that order.

negative1 wrote: how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited, waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

100 copies, not 30. Again, if you really want one they are for sale on Discogs.

negative1 wrote: some of the promo's are completely out of print.

Promos are never "in print" to begin with as they're not meant for public consumption. They're pressed once and that's it.

negative1 wrote: this project is a lot easier to deal with, and have everything conveniently located.

Yes, for free.

negative1 wrote: 50pound, and others knew the risk, and it didn't stop them.

Actually it did stop them in the case of The New Order Archives, or did you miss this? You may be interested in the bit "It was mentioned to me that the label has been focusing on me/the blog(s) as well.".

Best of luck with your blog etc. I'm sure your members will enjoy it but all the above points stand.

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Good points, NotAMod.

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I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

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Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

No worries, the CD single is on Ebay for 2 quid.

Just to clarify, this isn't me having a pop at private trades or fans sharing material between each other. I do that myself and I've both helped out and been helped by many cool people over the years. For instance I'd be happy to help you out with the VC mix privately (PM me if you want) but that's very different than putting up the entire 1993 to 2006 discography for free download.

Like I said to negative 1, best of luck with the blog etc.

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NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

They do, it just requires a bit of effort, how did other fans come to acquire them? I think while the original Recycle was beautifully executed and important one of the downsides was it created a side-effect of automatic entitlement with some people. I believe £50 Note commented on that himself at one point when some people almost demanded lossless copies over AAC. Now some expect whole releases to be available to them at a click and absolutely free of charge. It hasn't set a great precedent but there were no doubts £50 Note genuinely hoped the record label would pick up the project and run with it. The point remains with each of these mass give aways the chances of the label doing something (however slim) reduce further and your Recycle 2 will have the same impact once it hits the torrent sites (and it will, no matter how "private" you make it).

you are basing your thoughts on a false assumption.

since you didn't join the blog, you have no idea about the project parameters.

no body is expecting anything for free, they are investing their time, and sharing their resources with each other. i would hardly call that free.

there will be no impact, because new order and their management never has and will never provide the quality product that the fans can make by themselves. after waiting 30 years, if the best they can do is retro, and the botched remasters,

i'm not willing to wait 30 more years for them to straighten their act out.

negative1 wrote: there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

That's disingenuous because as you know it's mainly remixes, they only had 5 sporadic b-sides post-Factory:

Vicious Circle, Behind Closed Doors, Sabotage, Player In The League and Such A Good Thing - in that order.

you have a different idea, maybe if you expanded that to include all the non compilation tracks, and live tracks. it is a small but significant amount.

negative1 wrote: how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited, waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

100 copies, not 30. Again, if you really want one they are for sale on Discogs.

i stand corrected, you are right, the 12" only had 30 copies. yes, they are on sale, for a ridiculous amount though. no thanks. already have it.

negative1 wrote: some of the promo's are completely out of print.

Promos are never "in print" to begin with as they're not meant for public consumption. They're pressed once and that's it.

and yet, i have countless promos in my hand, bought and paid for. turning a blind eye to them does not make them disappear, and neither do your definition of them.

most of them contain valuable mixes, and are an important part of new orders history.

negative1 wrote: 50pound, and others knew the risk, and it didn't stop them.

Actually it did stop them in the case of The New Order Archives, or did you miss this? You may be interested in the bit "It was mentioned to me that the label has been focusing on me/the blog(s) as well.".

Best of luck with your blog etc. I'm sure your members will enjoy it but all the above points stand.

thanks appreciate it.

but if you think a bunch of tracks are going to miraculously appear in FLAC/WAV for free. you have no idea how this project is going to work. or what is going to come out of it.

none of your points make any difference in the scheme of things, and it stands there will be many more to come.

============================================= 1 recycle+ - a entirely new take on the original recycle with a lot more missing, extra tracks and demos

2 remasters+ - what the remasters should have been, 2-4cd sets for each album, with the missing tracks done properly

3 retro+ - what retro really should have been

etc. this is just the beginning.

if you and leather girl are not interested in this project, and continue debating about the ethics of it, have no fear.

it won't change anyone's opinion about it. and it will just continue to waste your time reading about it, and all the other projects. you may safely resume commenting about their apperance, pointless interviews, and the lack of anything coming out from them in the future.

cheers.

later -1

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Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

You should check out the New Order mix of it.

Oh wait, you can't unless you have the cassette single of it, and want to hear it in low quality.

Well, i can put up a higher quality version of it.

here : new order – vicious circle (new order mix)

PM me for the link.

later -1

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negative1 wrote: some of the promo's are completely out of print.

NotAMod wrote: Promos are never "in print" to begin with as they're not meant for public consumption. They're pressed once and that's it.

and yet, i have countless promos in my hand, bought and paid for. turning a blind eye to them does not make them disappear, and neither do your definition of them.

I wasn't denying their existence I was taking issue with your assertion that a promo can be "out of print". They're never "in print" like a normal album to begin with because they're not meant for the general public. A batch is pressed around the time they're needed for press and radio use and that's it.

Anyway we could argue this until the cows come home. I would say if this project is truly "private" and "enrolment is now closed" then there's no real need to post every single update regarding it on NOOL.

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NotAMod wrote: Anyway we could argue this until the cows come home. I would say if this project is truly "private" and "enrolment is now closed" then there's no real need to post every single update regarding it on NOOL.

THIS

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It's not my place to tell anyone what they can or can't do, but I'd like to state for the record that this project does not have any involvement from myself, Bruce, or Drew, and should not be confused with our original Recycle project in any way. We were given permission (to a point), and used a highly critical eye toward quality control - both in sound and artwork. We got as far as drafting out the post-Factory singles for a second project, but limits were imposed, and countless redundant edits were completely ignored. There's a difference between a listenable project, and hoarding.

Good luck.

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50 Pound Note wrote: It's not my place to tell anyone what they can or can't do, but I'd like to state for the record that this project does not have any involvement from myself, Bruce, or Drew, and should not be confused with our original Recycle project in any way. We were given permission (to a point), and used a highly critical eye toward quality control - both in sound and artwork. We got as far as drafting out the post-Factory singles for a second project, but limits were imposed, and countless redundant edits were completely ignored. There's a difference between a listenable project, and hoarding.

Good luck.

yes, thanks for clarifying that point.

it was never meant to insinuate that myself or anyone in the project was related or involves you in it.

you were the original inspiration for this project and many others.

while this will not be the end all, be all new order project. i feel it will be equally as enjoyable, and pleasing to new order fans, as yours was to me.

i still listen to your projects.

and while i did not follow on with your joy division, smiths, or REM projects. i know that they were equally liked and successful.

however, i will continue to post updates here, as i said, it is much easier to discuss this in this forum. also, there is pertinent information that is much more easily pertinent to new order, than the 50th interview with hooky going on about the band.

and although the enrollment is closed. it won't stop people from asking. and i've received several more requests since then.

later -1

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negative1 wrote: however, i will continue to post updates here, as i said, it is much easier to discuss this in this forum. also, there is pertinent information that is much more easily pertinent to new order, than the 50th interview with hooky going on about the band.

Please (re)familiarise yourself with the NOOL forums Code Of Conduct which we're all expected to loosely abide by specifically these paragraphs:

Solicitation… Refrain from using NewOrderOnline’s forums or chat to advertise your site, items for sale, commercial services or website. You may attach a short link to your site within your profile or signature but if you would like more promotion, you can either purchase publicity or contact us for promotions on the site.

**Spamming…**Spamming is the multiple posting of an identical or similar post on one or more of our Forums.

You've posted purpose of your project and how to contact you regarding it, that should be sufficient. Digital Republic is not here for exclusive publicity for a private project which you've just closed access to anyway. It's also not really for you decide that your Edits project is more valid than current interviews by band members or their current projects. Having said that nobody's stopping anyone from discussing Recycle 2 on this thread.

I would ask please do not link files of copyrighted material directly onto these forum, take it off site via a PM.

The band and their management are known to frequent these forums and we want to try and maintain a good relationship with them.

Thanks

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NotAMod wrote:

You've posted purpose of your project and how to contact you regarding it, that should be sufficient. Digital Republic is not here for exclusive publicity for a private project which you've just closed access to anyway. It's also not really for you decide that your Edits project is more valid than current interviews by band members or their current projects. Having said that nobody's stopping anyone from discussing Recycle 2 on this thread.

I would ask please do not link files of copyrighted material directly onto these forum, take it off site via a PM.

The band and their management are known to frequent these forums and we want to try and maintain a good relationship with them.

Thanks

thanks,

i've removed the link to that track.

also there is nothing for sale.

merely, posting the artwork and tracklistings of new order songs.

later -1

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NotAMod wrote:

Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

No worries, the CD single is on Ebay for 2 quid.

Oh yeah, thats the one Ive got. I must mean the NO mix, with all the trashy samples all over it. I have it on a much abused cassete so if there's a better copy I'm interested.

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Coops wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

No worries, the CD single is on Ebay for 2 quid.

Oh yeah, thats the one Ive got. I must mean the NO mix, with all the trashy samples all over it. I have it on a much abused cassete so if there's a better copy I'm interested.

as mentioned above, please PM for the link.

later -1

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If you didn't already know, your PM box is full.

Ta R.

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well, that was fast.

ok, cleared off some messages.

please try again.

later -1

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leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

Curious. How come you do not have Movement?

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Mike C. wrote:

leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

Curious. How come you do not have Movement?

Yeah, I thought the same thing.

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The music is really not my taste---it's strange in a way because I don't mind JD (not a big fan but I like some songs) and I love New Order, but I never really liked any of the songs on 'Movement'.

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leather-girl wrote: The music is really not my taste---it's strange in a way because I don't mind JD (not a big fan but I like some songs) and I love New Order, but I never really liked any of the songs on 'Movement'.

Its a tough disc being that it is smack dab in the middle of the ending of one band, and the beginnings of another. In many ways the band - and the tracks on the album - slip back and forth between the two.

I don't listen to several tracks, for example - I.C.B., Truth, and The Him. A bit dreary. Chosen Time, Denial, and of course Dreams Never End never get old.

If you haven't given these (3) tracks a listen for a while...

Thanks for answering my question.

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Sample artwork for Series 1 - Disc 4 - Spooky:

conventional:

alternate:

later -1

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here are some images from a private companion book, that will not be released. this is a partial one for the first chapter. it will include a complete discography, text, and images for each single.

there will be a shorter booklet available.

later -1

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indiearchivist wrote:

2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 

These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

thanks, i'm checking on this now..

i should add the world mix of video from the dvd (or laserdisc).

how is the album version an edit? i guess i haven't listened to it in a long time. maybe it was on vinyl? or different in the uk from the us version?

i'll get back to this shortly.

later -1

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we will begin the audio comparisons and fixes for the first series-disc 1 by next week.

if you haven't voted on the policies, please do, otherwise you won't be able to participate this first round.

later -1

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negative1 wrote:

how is the album version an edit? i guess i haven't listened to it in a long time. maybe it was on vinyl? or different in the uk from the us version?

There's an instrumental segment between the second verse and second chorus that's in live versions and (well, half of it) in Spike's mix. I can only assume it was originally part of the song and that the album version was edited down to about 4:40 for various reasons? Not that many people would care anyway....

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indiearchivist wrote:

negative1 wrote:

how is the album version an edit? i guess i haven't listened to it in a long time. maybe it was on vinyl? or different in the uk from the us version?

There's an instrumental segment between the second verse and second chorus that's in live versions and (well, half of it) in Spike's mix. I can only assume it was originally part of the song and that the album version was edited down to about 4:40 for various reasons? Not that many people would care anyway....

ok, i'll check it out.

will try to transfer the video version. that's interesting.

blog update:

please check on the blog for the first update to the quality check for series 1 - regret.

thanks.

later -1

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well, we're moving along.

regret is done, and we'll have the promo edit added to it as a bonus, since jcp was kind enough to provide that.

we'll be checking all the ruined in a day mixes, and b-sides, so be sure to get those and check them out.

i also added a few more tracks for the future. the 'world (video)' version from dvd. sounds good.

and also the unreleased spooky (night tripper dub) mentioned here: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1749

check out the blog for all the updates and news.

later -1

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indiearchivist wrote:

2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 

These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

ok, finally checked these out, and got the correct versions.

will be using the video version also.

thanks for the notes.

later -1

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Negative bloke, why am I getting emails about your "pet" project when this is nothing to do with me!?

Just for the record, I have absolutely nothing to do with this project, this isn't even my website! and I would not, do not and will not share either personally or on via various websites copyrighted material from the band or any of the side projects.(nor any other non NO material)

p.s negative bloke, you aren't doing yourself, others, nool and NoW any favours by doing this "pet" project, I would suggest that if you wish to continue then you ought to remove this thread and delete all the posts within,you and these posts ARE being monitored.

just thought I'd let you know.

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God, is this STILL going on? How many years now? A psychologist's goldmine, with a soundtrack of cassingle-only Sly & Robbie RIAD dub edits

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An ironic thing for me is that even though I personally want nothing to do with the project more than 5 of the Regret scans in his "booklets" appear to have been scanned by my own fair hand when I contributed them to Discogs some years ago (!) so I guess I'm an involuntary "contributor" after all.

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NotAMod wrote: An ironic thing for me is that even though I personally want nothing to do with the project more than 5 of the Regret scans in his "booklets" appear to have been scanned by my own fair hand when I contributed them to Discogs some years ago (!) so I guess I'm an involuntary "contributor" after all.

That's the problem with Discogs ally, anyone can "steal" pictures from there and use them for their own ends. Some people on the other hand actually ask for permission to use pictures that people have laboriously scanned and added information to the various pages on discogs. thanks again [:)]

Personally, I don't upload info or pics to discogs as it is far too time consuming. I do take my hat off to the people that do though.

As for protecting ones pictures, a code can be added to any pic on most sites (cant do it on Discogs as it is "public domain") but it is extremely time consuming and a right pain in the arse to be honest.

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the second series is coming up. any suggestions would be welcome.

Recycle 2 - Series 2

Series 2

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

For series 2, we have the following:------------------------------------now come to an in between era,where new order revisited a lotof their greatest hits.first up, true faith 94:=====================1 true faith-94 (us best of or radio mix/edit)  4:28  v, cd, cs 2 true faith-94 (perfecto radio edit)           4:05  cd3 true faith-94 (perfecto mix)                  6:23  v, cd4 true faith-94 (best of or 94 remix)           5:34  v, cd, cs, ld    5 true faith-94 (twa grim up north mix)         6:11  v, cd6 true faith-94 (sexy disco dub)                5:48  v7 true faith-94 (eschreamer edit)               4:41  cd8 true faith-94 (eschreamer dub)                7:47  v9 true faith-94 (eschreamer mix)                7:44  v,cd======================50minanother revisited singlewas 1963:======================1 1963 (95 arthur baker remix)                  5:05  cd2 1963 (94 arthur baker radio remix)            4:03  cd 3 1963-94                                       3:46  cd4 1963 (lionrock full throttle mix)             7:50  v, cd5 1963 (joe t. vanelli dubby mix)               7:13  v, cd6 1963 (joe t. vanelli light mix)               8:59  v7 1963 (lionrock M6 sunday morning mix)         6:25  v8 1963 (lionrock sparse'n'fast mix)             6:07  v=============================50 minuteslet's go, was not really a single,basically a promo..it came out during the time of the 'best of'release, and they decided to add vocals to it.but during that time that they worked on the original instrumental version, they came out with tracks from salvation:=====================================1 let's go (nothing for me)                     4:02 v, cd, cs2 let's go (salvation)                          3:42 v, cd, cs3 let's go (extract)                            2:01 cd4 Salvation Theme                               2:12 v,cd, cs 5 Touched by the Hand of God                    4:59 v,cd,cs6 Sputnik                                       2:28 v,cd,cs7 Skullcrusher                                  2:49 v,cd,cs8 Touched by the Hand of God (12" arthur baker) 7:59 cd9 touched by the hand of God (bias 2000)        6:46 cd  10 touched by the hand of God (razormaid)       6:42 v==============================42 minutes ============================================totals  : 27 songspromos  : 4formats : 6 vinyl, 21 cd============================================Time : 2 hour 20 minutes

later -1

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the world tracks for the 3rd part of series 1 is up.

the third single:===========================1 world (perfecto edit)                       3:58  cd, cs2 world (perfecto mix)                        7:33  v, cd, cs 3 world (sexy disco dub)                      5:56  v, cd, cs  4 world (the brothers in rhythm mix)          8:03  v, cd, cs  5 world (the brothers dubstrumental)          7:44  v, cd 6 world (world in action mix)                 5:51  v, cd, cs 7 world (pharmacy dub)                        7:06  v, cd8 world (the price of dub)                    6:48  v9 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 10 world (tony garcia radio edit)             3:28  cd 11 world (video)                              4:14  dvd=================================67 minutes

world (video) 4:14 is a new inclusion.

please check them out sometime this week.

we'll be going over spooky for the new year.

happy holidays everyone, and thanks for all the support.

later -1

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some notes about the posted mix in world.

thanks to jcp, i was checking this track.

world (sexy disco dub) and comparing the vinyl to the cd track.

note: ———- world (sexy disco dub) 5:56 cd 126.9bpm world (sexy disco dub) 5:47 v 128.5bpm

when you match the vinyl bpm, it sounds the same as the cd version

the version i posted had the faster bpm (beats per minute). so i might change

that track to the cd version.

also, will be adding this track:

world (the brothers dubstrumental edit) 5:39

to the final set.

there may be further changes once i get more feedback.

later -1

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the spooky tracks for the 4th part of series 1 is up.

spooky, the 4th and final single:========================1 spooky (minimix or radio edit)       3:48  cd, cs, ld     2 spooky (magimix)                     6:55  v, cd, cs3 spooky (moulimix)                    5:49  v, cd, cs4 spooky (out of order mix)            6:19  v, cd 5 spooky (stadium mix)                 6:30  v, cd 6 spooky (neworder in heaven)          6:10  v, cd7 spooky (boo! dub mix)                4:56  v, cd 8 spooky (stadium instrumental)        6:32  v, cd9 spooky (night tripper mix)           7:02  v, cd10 spooky (night tripper dub)          6:35  cd===============================

track 10, the unreleased night tripper dub is a new addition to the list.

this closes out the first series, and we'll move onto series 2, with its 3parts.

later -1

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Thanks for pointing out Touched by the Hand of God (bias 2000), never heard it before but found it on Youtube. Youtube is a sort of database where you can search for things you are interested in. There was also a 'Phased and dazed' RIAD mix I had on 'NO The Remix', a bootleggy CD. It was, in the words of Oscar Wilde, fucking shit: just whooshed in and out of the original. Mind you, I'd shelled out for RIAD CD 2 so... While I'm here, does anyone know just what those Lionrock mixes of 1963 have in common with the original? I know I'm hardly on the cunting-edge of music, I just wanna know if there's anything going on in these 3 mixes apart from Lionrock's ego and London's bank account. Ho hum. The shite I bought back then in the name of 'completism'... PS I have a theory that Tracey Thorn from Everything But The Girl is the secret love-child of Steve and Gillian http://www.npr.org/2012/12/08/166734913/tracey-thorn-finds-joy-and-angst-in-christmas-songs

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:

There was also a 'Phased and dazed' RIAD mix I had on 'NO The Remix', a bootleggy CD. It was, in the words of Oscar Wilde, fucking shit:

Yes very shit, I could have done the same mix using the EQ buttons on my audio device!![:d]

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

While I'm here, does anyone know just what those Lionrock mixes of 1963 have in common with the original?

The same comment about BLT from TheRestOf...

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:

While I'm here, does anyone know just what those Lionrock mixes of 1963 have in common with the original?

The same comment about BLT from TheRestOf...

That at least has one token line from the original! For Christmas I want peace, love and a bottle of Melanie C's wee.

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Michael Monkhouse wrote: Thanks for pointing out Touched by the Hand of God (bias 2000), never heard it before but found it on Youtube.

Love that mix but only have an mp3 that cuts out rudely at 6.10. Not sure where it sources from - was it a compilation? Would love a copy of the full version if anyone could PM me :)

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Recycle 2 - Series 2

Series 2

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

For series 2, we have the following:

now come to an in between era,where new order revisited a lotof their greatest hits.first up, true faith 94:=====================1 true faith-94 (us best of or radio mix/edit)  4:28  v, cd, cs 2 true faith-94 (perfecto radio edit)        	4:05  cd3 true faith-94 (perfecto mix)             	6:23  v, cd4 true faith-94 (best of or 94 remix)        	5:34  v, cd, cs, ld    5 true faith-94 (twa grim up north mix)       	6:11  v, cd6 true faith-94 (sexy disco dub)            	5:48  v7 true faith-94 (eschreamer edit)          	4:41  cd8 true faith-94 (eschreamer dub)                7:47  v9 true faith-94 (eschreamer mix)                7:44  v,cd======================50min10  Bizarre Love Triangle-94 			3:54 cd11  Round & Round-94 				4:01 cd=======================58minanother revisited singlewas 1963:======================1 1963-95 (arthur baker remix)         	5:05 cd 2 1963-95 (arthur baker radio edit)     4:03 cd3 1963-94                              	3:46 cd4 1963 (lionrock full throttle mix) 	7:50  v, cd5 1963 (joe t. vanelli dubby mix)     	7:13  v, cd6 1963 (joe t. vanelli light mix)    	8:59  v7 1963 (lionrock M6 sunday morning mix) 6:25  v8 1963 (lionrock sparse'n'fast mix)    	6:07  v=============================49 minuteslet's go, was not really a single,basically a promo.. much later, they added vocals to it,and put it on the best of in the US.in the UK it was a b-side track tothe limited UK single of 1963 re-release.but during that time, they came out withtracks from salvation:=====================================1  let's go (nothing for me)           		3:55 v, cd, cs2  let's go (salvation)                       	3:42 v, cd, cs3  let's go (extract)                          	2:01 cd4  Salvation Theme                         	2:12 v,cd, cs 5  Touched by the Hand of God             	4:59 v,cd,cs6  Sputnik                                   	2:28 v,cd,cs7  Skullcrusher                                	2:49 v,cd,cs8  Touched by the Hand of God (12" version) 	7:59 cd9  touched by the hand of God (bias 2000)    	6:46 cd  10 touched by the hand of God (razormaid)       6:42 v11 salvation (demo)                             4:38 dig12 touched by the hand of God (demo)            4:58 dig13 lets go (demo)                               3:23 dig14 skullcrusher (demo)                          3:42 dig15 lets go (unreleased original 1985 vocal)     3:57 dig16 lets go (US best of non fade)                4:02 cd ==============================68 minutes - 1hr8min ============================================totals  : 35 songspromos  : 4demos   : 5formats : 6 vinyl============================================Time : 3 hours

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"Lynn, that was a negative. And right now I need two positives "

" Why do you need two positives ?"

"Well, one to cancel out the negative and another .....dunno, just so I can say I've got a positive "

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adding one more track to the third part, touched by the hand of God :

New Order - Touched By The Hand Of God(art of mix) 4:57 cd

from:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-911-CD2/release/2803941

it's a decent remix.

later -1

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negative1 wrote: adding one more track to the third part, touched by the hand of God :

New Order - Touched By The Hand Of God(art of mix) 4:57 cd

from:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-911-CD2/release/2803941

it's a decent remix.

later -1

So you're including unofficial remixes now?

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Johnny James wrote:

negative1 wrote: adding one more track to the third part, touched by the hand of God :

New Order - Touched By The Hand Of God(art of mix) 4:57 cd

from:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-911-CD2/release/2803941

it's a decent remix.

later -1

So you're including unofficial remixes now?

well, there's a few interesting ones that i am including, because they are hard to find.

and some are better than the official ones. i remember some razormaid mixes of subculture being on the first recycle. so dj mixes do have their place, just not ALL of them.

later -1

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i have had several replies, asking to be added to the project, although it has been private since last november.

since we are starting on the second series, i will try to fit in all the new requests. we'll see how it goes. give it another couple of weeks, and then we'll open up the invites again.

thanks for the requests from those that haven't heard back. please do not keep asking about the status, as it fills up my inbox.

later -1

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Can you contact me by email or pm?

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I've sent negative1 an email, interesting sounding project! [:d]

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negative1 wrote: Recycle 2 - Series 2

Series 2

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

For series 2, we have the following:

now come to an in between era,where new order revisited a lotof their greatest hits.first up, true faith 94:=====================1 true faith-94 (us best of or radio mix/edit)  4:28  v, cd, cs 2 true faith-94 (perfecto radio edit)        	4:05  cd3 true faith-94 (perfecto mix)             	6:23  v, cd4 true faith-94 (best of or 94 remix)        	5:34  v, cd, cs, ld    5 true faith-94 (twa grim up north mix)       	6:11  v, cd6 true faith-94 (sexy disco dub)            	5:48  v7 true faith-94 (eschreamer edit)          	4:41  cd8 true faith-94 (eschreamer dub)                7:47  v9 true faith-94 (eschreamer mix)                7:44  v,cd======================50min10  Bizarre Love Triangle-94 			3:54 cd11  Round & Round-94 				4:01 cd=======================58minanother revisited singlewas 1963:======================1 1963-95 (arthur baker remix)         	5:05 cd 2 1963-95 (arthur baker radio edit)     4:03 cd3 1963-94                              	3:46 cd4 1963 (lionrock full throttle mix) 	7:50  v, cd5 1963 (joe t. vanelli dubby mix)     	7:13  v, cd6 1963 (joe t. vanelli light mix)    	8:59  v7 1963 (lionrock M6 sunday morning mix) 6:25  v8 1963 (lionrock sparse'n'fast mix)    	6:07  v=============================49 minuteslet's go, was not really a single,basically a promo.. much later, they added vocals to it,and put it on the best of in the US.in the UK it was a b-side track tothe limited UK single of 1963 re-release.but during that time, they came out withtracks from salvation:=====================================1  let's go (nothing for me)           		3:55 v, cd, cs2  let's go (salvation)                       	3:42 v, cd, cs3  let's go (extract)                          	2:01 cd4  Salvation Theme                         	2:12 v,cd, cs 5  Touched by the Hand of God             	4:59 v,cd,cs6  Sputnik                                   	2:28 v,cd,cs7  Skullcrusher                                	2:49 v,cd,cs8  Touched by the Hand of God (12" version) 	7:59 cd9  touched by the hand of God (bias 2000)    	6:46 cd  10 touched by the hand of God (razormaid)       6:42 v11 salvation (demo)                             4:38 dig12 touched by the hand of God (demo)            4:58 dig13 lets go (demo)                               3:23 dig14 skullcrusher (demo)                          3:42 dig15 lets go (unreleased original 1985 vocal)     3:57 dig16 lets go (US best of non fade)                4:02 cd ==============================68 minutes - 1hr8min ============================================totals  : 35 songspromos  : 4demos   : 5formats : 6 vinyl============================================Time : 3 hours

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Have you got the True Faith 'What's the fucking point of remixes, mix'?

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continuing on with the project, more previews have been posted:

in 1995 a greatest hits remix collection came out, and along with it, new mixes of blue monday.

========================================1 blue monday 95 (hardfloor radio edit)   	4:14 v, cd, cs2 blue monday 95 (plutone radio edit or 7")     3:47 cd  3 blue monday 95 (plutone mix)             	6:29 v, cd, cs  4 blue monday 95 (starwash mix)             	5:38 v, cd, cs5 blue monday 95 (hardfloor dub)             	8:16 cd6 blue monday 95 (hardfloor mix or vocal)     	8:34 v, cd, cs 7 blue monday 95 (manuela mix)               	7:29 v, cd, cs8 blue monday 95 (andrea mix)                 	8:26 v, cd, cs   9 blue monday 95 (brain mix or corleone mix)  	5:24 v, cd   10 blue monday 95 (hawtin mix)                	8:02 cd, cs11 blue monday 95 (plutone dub)             	4:46 v12 blue monday 95 (hardfloor remix edit)        6:16 cd   13 big fi vs new order - blue monday            3:46 v=================================74 minutes

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continuing on.

we have:

now for a mix of tracks that came out.. the full video 586 track, brutal from the beach soundtrack:

(also included are 2 dj mixes which are worth listening too).

=============================1 video 586 22:25 2 video 586 (or prime part 1) 6:50 3 video 586 (or prime part 2) 6:57 4 video 586 (or prime part 3) 13:29 5 586 (peel) 6:05 6 5-8-6 (peter black mix) 8:07 7 5-8-6 (peter black dub) 8:19 8 brutal inst (beach demo) 5:23 9 brutal (rollo eq 1 vox down) 4:44 10 brutal (rollo eq 2) 4:43 11 brutal (rollo eq 1 master) 4:44 12 brutal (monitor mix 9-99) 4:35 13 brutal (rollo monitor mix) 4:54 ============================

and we continue onto the last part of set 3,

which are the true faith 2001 remixes:

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in 2001, more mixes of true faith were released:

==============================================1 true faith 2001 (morel’s extra dub) 8:24 v, cd2 true faith 2001 (philip steir dub) 8:14 v, cd3 true faith 2001 (morel’s pink noise club mix) 8:50 v, cd4 true faith 2001 (philip steir re-order mix) 8:12 v, cd5 true faith 2001 (morel’s calling shifty dub) 7:22 v, cd6 true faith 2001 (morel’s pink noise remix edit) 4:32 ra, cd7 true faith 2001 (morel’s pink noise i’ve taken too much dub) 6:48 v, cd8 true faith 2001 (philip steir re-order remix edit) 5:45 ra, cd==================================61 minutes

moving onto set 4 next.

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continuing onto the latter 2 albums, with get ready..

the first single from get ready,was crystal:===================1 crystal (radio edit)                      		4:21  wma, cd, dvd2 crystal (Digweed & Muir Bedrock Radio Edit)  		4:15  cd, dvd3 crystal (Digweed & Muir Bedrock Remix)       		12:53 v, cd4 crystal (Digweed & Muir Bedrock Remix edit)           10:08 cd5 crystal (Digweed & Muir Bedrock Dub)         		10:36 v, cd6 crystal (Lee Coombs Remix)                  		8:44  v, cd7 crystal (Lee Coombs Dub)                    		7:04  v, cd8 crystal (John Creamer Stephane K Intro Mix)  		3:22  cd9 crystal (John Creamer Stephane K Main Mix edit) 	6:39  cd10 crystal (John Creamer & Stephane K Main Mix)   	11:25 v, cd============================================75min
there were some early mixes of crystal,and also some live tracks on the japanese release.==================================================1 crystal (12")                     		6:49 v2 crystal (demo)                             	7:21 cd3 Crystal (circumstance mix) [video]       	4:15 dvd 4 Behind Closed Doors                       	5:24 cdlive----5 True Faith [live]                        	5:40 cd6 Temptation [live]                          	7:27 cd7 Atmosphere [live]                            	4:17 cd8 Isolation [live]                           	3:01 cd9 Temptation 98 (Albert Square Manc 8 21 1998)  4:08 cdearly mixes-----10 crystal (corvin dalek pornoground mix)	7:20 v11 crystal (corvin dalek pornoground club mix)	6:37 v12 crystal (corvin dalek silcon sex mix 	10:19 v13 crystal (cybersecrecy shatterproof mix)	6:27 v==============================75min

a few more to go in this series, and then finish it off.

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ok, will add the new demo mix of crystal to this.

basically, all the tracks and series are done.

i haven't updated this post. but the blog had all the tracks in streaming.

will be finalizing the details over the next month or so.

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i think it's kinda funny/odd that there was so much discouragement in the early pages of this depeche mode pretty much released this exact kind of thing officially a while back, including a real high amount of remixes with the original b-sides mixed in and whatnot for a round of "single boxes" and even though they were a bit pricey they were still pretty cool releases a compilation of all of those single releases versus tracking down however many cds, cassettes, vinyls, some of which were pressed maybe what, a hundred times? kind of an obvious supply and demand issue there, huh? in any case, sent you my application e-mail if those are in fact actually being accepted/looked at at the moment

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here are the remaining partial tracklistings for the rest of the singles:

recycle 2 – series 4 – set 3 60mphmoving onto 60mph60mph was the 2nd single from the album:there were quite a few promo versions,and early versions of the songs fromthe early sessions.============================1 60 mph (radio edit) 3:37 cd, dvd2 60 mph (supermen lovers remix) 4:56 cd3 60 mph (video) 3:51 dvd4 Sabotage 4:48 cdpromos——-5 60 mph (david kahne mix 2) 4:43 cd6 60 mph (rollo monitor mix demo) 4:01 cd7 60 mph (steve osbourne monitor mix) 4:39 cd8 60 mph (original version) 4:05 cd9 crystal (steve osbourne monitor mix) 5:41 cd==============================40min

these were all posted as streaming tracks.

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sabotage is so damn good

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continuing onto the next part

recycle 2 – series 4 – set 4

the last single was someone like you:==========================================1 someone like you(funk dvoid remix) 9:55 v, cd2 someone like you(james holden heavy dub) 9:59 v, cd3 someone like you(future shock vocal remix) 8:04 v, cd4 someone like you(future shock strip down) 7:49 v, cd5 someone like you(gabriel and dresden 911 vocal mix) 11:13 v, cd6 someone like you(gabriel and dresden voco-tech dub) 11:10 v, cd7 someone like you(james holden heavy dub edit) 6:45 v, cd8 someone like you (demo) 6:26 cd =================================68 minutes

all tracks have been posted on the streaming site grooveshark.

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some non album tracks

recycle 2 – series 4 – set 5 here to win – wim 2002

here to stay was a collaboration withthe chemical brothers for 24 hour party people:=============================1 here to stay (radio edit) 3:55 v, cd, dvd2 here to stay (felix da housecat-the extended glitz mix) 8:00 v, cd, dvd3 here to stay (the scumfrog dub mix) 8:01 v, cd4 here to stay (full length vocal) 5:00 v, cd5 here to stay (extended instrumental) 5:57 v, cd6 Player in the League 5:35 cd)The CD single includes a brand new track ‘Such A Good Thing.’ Written by New Order and produced by the band and legendary collaborator Steve Osborne, the previously unreleased ‘Such A Good Thing’ has been declared the BBC Radio Five Live World Cup theme tune for all their coverage of this summer’s key sporting event.==================================7 world in motion 96 (mark bell remix) 4:56 v, cd, cs8 such a good thing 4:10 cd————————————————————41 minutes

found on streaming site at grooveshark

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recycle 2 – series 4 – set 6 confusion 2002

onto the rerelease of confusion

arthur baker and new order revisitedconfusion in 2002:========================1 confusion 2002 (koma and bones edit) 3:45 cd2 confusion 2002 (koma and bones mix) 8:11 v3 confusion 2002 (arthur bakers edit) 3:09 cd4 confusion 2002 (arthur bakers mix) 6:14 v5 confusion 2002 (larry t’s electroclash edit) 3:40 cd6 confusion 2002 (output’s nu-rocktro edit) 3:41 cd7 confusion 2002 (asto dazed edit) 4:22 cd34min8 confusion 2002 (larry t’s mix) 5:30 v9 confusion 2002 (output’s nu-rocktro mix) 5:50 v10 confusion 2002 (asto dazed mix) 7:29 v11 confusion 2002 (koma and bones dub) 8:05 v12 confusion 2002 (acapella and parts) 6:09 v30min============================64 minutes

check them out on grooveshark.

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moving onto the last set

recycle 2 – series 5 – set 1 kraftykrafty was the first single of thealbum ‘waiting for the sirens call’many cd singles, and remixes were made for it:======================================1 Krafty (Single Edit) 3:47 cd2 Krafty (Andy Green Remix) 3:25 cd 3 Krafty (Morel’s Pink Noise Vocal) 7:49 cd 4 Krafty (DJ Dan Vocal) 8:20 cd5 Krafty (Eric Kupper Club Mix) 9:10 cd6 Krafty (The Glimmers 12″ Extended Mix) 6:52 cd 7 Krafty (Phones Reality Remix) 7:05 cd 8 Krafty (Riton Re-rub Remix) 6:57 cd9 Krafty (The Glimmers Dub Version) 5:23 v, cd10 Krafty (The glimmers alternate dub version) 5:50 v, cd11 Krafty (The Passengerz Revolution Club Mix) 7:43 cd12 Krafty (DJ Dan Dub) 8:12 cd 13 Krafty (Japanese) 4:33 cd114 new order – krafty (album re-edit) 4:53 cd=========================================84min 

check them out on grooveshark

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recycle 2 – series 5 – set 2 jetstream

the next single

jetstream was the 2nd single from thenew album released.2 cd’s, mixes, and vinyl versions werereleased.====================================1 Jetstream (Radio Edit) 3:47 cd 2 Jetstream (Jacques Lu Cont Remix) 8:21 cd 3 Jetstream (Richard X Remix) 7:42 cd 4 Jetstream (Arthur Baker Remix) 7:04 cd 5 Jetstream (Tom Neville Remix) 7:35 cd 6 Jetstream (Peter Heller Remix Phella Dub) 9:01 cd 7 Jetstream (Richard X Radio Mix) 3:38 cd 8 Jetstream (Tom Neville Dub) 6:42 cd 9 Jetstream (bunker mix) 5:36 dig 10 Jetstream (jacques lu cont dub) 8:31 v,cd—————————————————————- 

check them out on grooveshark

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is the blog still a thing or what

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The blog was private, and has been closed for awhile now, all the tracks are on grooveshark as mentioned.

recycle 2 – series 5 – set 3 waiting for the sirens call

Waiting for the sirens call was the 3rd singleoff the album.it came in 3x7inch with a special cover,and quite a few promo cds.———————————————————————–1 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (rich costey radio edit) 3:50 v, cd2 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (rich costey mix) 5:37 cd3 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (band mix) 3:50 v, cd 4 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (jacknife lee remix-edit) 4:11 v, cd 5 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (jacknife lee remix) 6:10 cd6 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (tribute mix) 7:09 v, cd7 Waiting for the Siren’s Call (planet funk remix) 7:25 v, cd8 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (planet funk dub) 8:25 cd9 Waiting for the Siren’s Call (asle dub) 9:19 v, cd10 Waiting for the Siren’s Call (asles full blown vocal mix) 8:21 cd11 Waiting for the Sirens’ Call (filterheadz remix) 7:18 v, cd==========================================64minmegamixes———–12 waiting for the sirens call(guy garret DMC megamix 1) 5:16 cd13 waiting for the sirens call(guy garret DMC megamix 2) 6:37 cd 14 waiting for the sirens call(guy garret DMC megamix 3) 8:29 cd=============84min

there's a few more mixes, but they are very rare, and hard to find.

check out grooveshark for streaming versions.

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recycle 2 – series 5 – set 4 guilt is a useless emotion – hellbent

finally the last set of tracks:

 Guilt is a useless emotion is the 4th and finalsingle off the album.It was released in many digital formats:========================================1 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Club Mix) 8:05 cd, dig2 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Club Mix Edit) 4:56 cd, dig3 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Mixshow) 6:10 cd, dig4 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Vocal Edit) 4:59 cd, dig5 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Vocal Mix) 8:40 cd, dig6 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (MARK!’s True N.O. Dub) 7:31 cd, dig7 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (MARK!’s True N.O. Vox) 7:33 cd, dig8 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Edit) 3:56 cd, dig9 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Mix) 7:50 cd, dig10 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Dub) 7:21 cd, dig11 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix) 6:27 cd, dig12 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Extended) 7:59 cd, dig13 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Blueplate Vox Edit) 4:59 cd, dig————–83minHellbent was an unreleased track that was goingto be on waiting for the sirens call. It was releasedon the greatest hits ‘total’. It later was included onthe ‘lost sirens’ album also.14 Hellbent 4:26==============================================total – 87min 

check them out on grooveshark

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last time i checked only series 4 and 5 were on grooveshark, along with just one of the sets from either 2 or 3 don't know if you're getting "picked off" or this was intentional, but yeah unless i'm missing something, that's how it looks

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Mals Marola wrote: last time i checked only series 4 and 5 were on grooveshark, along with just one of the sets from either 2 or 3 don't know if you're getting "picked off" or this was intentional, but yeah unless i'm missing something, that's how it looks

Right. That is correct. All the other tracks were posted singly on other sites (zippytune) and elsewhere.

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negative1 wrote: recycle 2 – series 5 – set 4 guilt is a useless emotion – hellbent

finally the last set of tracks:

 Guilt is a useless emotion is the 4th and finalsingle off the album.It was released in many digital formats:========================================1 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Club Mix) 8:05 cd, dig2 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Club Mix Edit) 4:56 cd, dig3 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Mixshow) 6:10 cd, dig4 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Vocal Edit) 4:59 cd, dig5 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Vocal Mix) 8:40 cd, dig6 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (MARK!’s True N.O. Dub) 7:31 cd, dig7 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (MARK!’s True N.O. Vox) 7:33 cd, dig8 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Edit) 3:56 cd, dig9 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Mix) 7:50 cd, dig10 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel’s Pink Noise Dub) 7:21 cd, dig11 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Vocal Mix) 6:27 cd, dig12 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mac Quayle Extended) 7:59 cd, dig13 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Blueplate Vox Edit) 4:59 cd, dig————–83minHellbent was an unreleased track that was goingto be on waiting for the sirens call. It was releasedon the greatest hits ‘total’. It later was included onthe ‘lost sirens’ album also.14 Hellbent 4:26==============================================total – 87min 

check them out on grooveshark

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Worth mentioning the Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Blueplate Vox Edit) is labeled as Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Marks True new order edit).

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negative1 wrote: continuing on with the project, more previews have been posted:

in 1995 a greatest hits remix collection came out, and along with it, new mixes of blue monday.

========================================1 blue monday 95 (hardfloor radio edit)   	4:14 v, cd, cs2 blue monday 95 (plutone radio edit or 7")     3:47 cd  3 blue monday 95 (plutone mix)             	6:29 v, cd, cs  4 blue monday 95 (starwash mix)             	5:38 v, cd, cs5 blue monday 95 (hardfloor dub)             	8:16 cd6 blue monday 95 (hardfloor mix or vocal)     	8:34 v, cd, cs 7 blue monday 95 (manuela mix)               	7:29 v, cd, cs8 blue monday 95 (andrea mix)                 	8:26 v, cd, cs   9 blue monday 95 (brain mix or corleone mix)  	5:24 v, cd   10 blue monday 95 (hawtin mix)                	8:02 cd, cs11 blue monday 95 (plutone dub)             	4:46 v12 blue monday 95 (hardfloor remix edit)        6:16 cd   13 big fi vs new order - blue monday            3:46 v=================================74 minutes

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finally got the wired 2cd compilation with: blue monday 95 (hardfloor remix edit) 6:16 cd

the track is just an edit, not any different from the original hardfloor remix, as stated.

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negative1 wrote: continuing on with the project, more previews have been posted:

in 1995 a greatest hits remix collection came out, and along with it, new mixes of blue monday.

========================================1 blue monday 95 (hardfloor radio edit)   	4:14 v, cd, cs2 blue monday 95 (plutone radio edit or 7")     3:47 cd  3 blue monday 95 (plutone mix)             	6:29 v, cd, cs  4 blue monday 95 (starwash mix)             	5:38 v, cd, cs5 blue monday 95 (hardfloor dub)             	8:16 cd6 blue monday 95 (hardfloor mix or vocal)     	8:34 v, cd, cs 7 blue monday 95 (manuela mix)               	7:29 v, cd, cs8 blue monday 95 (andrea mix)                 	8:26 v, cd, cs   9 blue monday 95 (brain mix or corleone mix)  	5:24 v, cd   10 blue monday 95 (hawtin mix)                	8:02 cd, cs11 blue monday 95 (plutone dub)             	4:46 v12 blue monday 95 (hardfloor remix edit)        6:16 cd   13 big fi vs new order - blue monday            3:46 v=================================74 minutes

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although that last mix was not new...

it turns out that there was yet another different mix....

10 blue monday 95 (hawtin mix) 8:02 cd, cs

richie hawtin, aka plastikman had another mix here:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-From-Manchester-With-Lovenet/release/226039

New Order Blue Monday (Richie Hawtin Mix) 7:26

which is completely different from the other mix...

so that will have to be added also..

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for those curious, here is the 'previously' unreleased richie hawtin mix of blue monday 95:

01 New Order - Blue Monday (Richie hawtin mix).mp3 Link: http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/CTpUHpqt/file.html

*ADDED: previously, just to clarify

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negative1 wrote: for those curious, here is the unreleased richie hawtin mix of blue monday 95:

01 New Order - Blue Monday (Richie hawtin mix).mp3 Link: http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/CTpUHpqt/file.html

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It's not unreleased though, is it? It was put out on a compilation called From Manchester With Love.net in 1996.

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NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: for those curious, here is the unreleased richie hawtin mix of blue monday 95:

01 New Order - Blue Monday (Richie hawtin mix).mp3 Link: http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/CTpUHpqt/file.html

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It's not unreleased though, is it? It was put out on a compilation called From Manchester With Love.net in 1996.

ok, i should have said 'previously' ....

changed..

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How about the 'Hawtin mix' on the 'Rest of' New Order 2-CD set? Is that the same or different..?[ohwell]

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poisoned snickers 2015 wrote: How about the 'Hawtin mix' on the 'Rest of' New Order 2-CD set? Is that the same or different..?[ohwell]

2 different versions, 7'26 and 8'02 (restof).

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Hélène's Friend wrote:

poisoned snickers 2015 wrote: How about the 'Hawtin mix' on the 'Rest of' New Order 2-CD set? Is that the same or different..?[ohwell]

2 different versions, 7'26 and 8'02 (restof).

Thanks for the info....so I now better download negative1's link.

Oh, btw, off-topic...I've finally watched GOD HELP THE GIRL DVD that I bought abt 6 months ago - I must say I quite like it especially all those choreographed scenes to complete songs and to have diff vocal takes from those on the CD.[:)]

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negative1 wrote: dang,

this guy went through a lot of work compiling his version of recycle:

http://www.thebrainfever.com/recycle/Recycle/robs\_idea.html

lots of good ideas, but don't know about including the album and dvd's.

a good reference though.

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Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

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Andy wrote:

Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

The same with FineTime.

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Hélène's Friend wrote:

Andy wrote:

Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

The same with FineTime.

Meaning a minor editing difference?

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Andy wrote:

Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

it could possibly be the extended edit 12" remix: Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Edit) 4:58

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

for fine time: not sure yet.

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negative1 wrote:

Andy wrote:

Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

it could possibly be the extended edit 12" remix: Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Edit) 4:58

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

for fine time: not sure yet.

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Oh yeah. Ho hum.

Hélène's Friend was referring to the Fine Time 12" having a slightly jarring bit (error?) that was edited out of/cleaned up for the LP mix, though the running lengths are identical.

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Andy wrote:

negative1 wrote:

Andy wrote:

Regarding disc 16: I'm not familiar with "Bizarre Love Triangle (12” Alternate)". Clearly this is not Bizarre Dub Triangle aka I Don't Care.

Can you shed some light on this?

it could possibly be the extended edit 12" remix: Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Edit) 4:58

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

for fine time: not sure yet.

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Oh yeah. Ho hum.

Hélène's Friend was referring to the Fine Time 12" having a slightly jarring bit (error?) that was edited out of/cleaned up for the LP mix, though the running lengths are identical.

12" is marginally different to LP mix. Listen to the brief samples heard at 1:17 - they are different. They are identical apart from that. 12" vinyl version has never been released on CD.

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Johnny James wrote: Shep's Alternate Mix

It was on this US promo 12".

i think it's the same as the one version that i mentioned earlier.

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negative1 wrote:

ok, thanks to 50pound note, and his friends, we had an excellent version of what recycle the box set would have been like.

but what about the rest? the ones that came after world in motion?

it's time to revisit that idea.

i'm slowly working on the listings, and will be posting them on a blog shortly..

basically it will cover these singles:

1 regret 2 ruined in a day 3 world 4 spooky

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

8 blue monday 95 9 video 586 9b brutal 10 true faith 2001

11 crystal 12 60 mph 13 someone like you 14 here to stay 14b world in motion 2002 15 confusion 2002

16 krafty 17 jetstream 18 waiting for the sirens call 19 guilt is a useless emotion 19b hellbent

we will visit each single separately, and see what tracks can go on them.

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Now that music complete is done with the single releases, as an addendum to this, it would be:

16 krafty 17 jetstream 18 waiting for the sirens call 19 guilt is a useless emotion 19b hellbent 20 peter saville soundtrack

21 restless 22 tutti frutti 23 singularity 24 people on the high line

of course, the vinyl extended mixes, and the instrumental mixes will be on there, along with the dj promos, and radio edits...

what might be interesting, is including the stems for the latter tracks, as they got an official release also....

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recycle 2 - series 6 - set 1 - restless

here's an early list of mixes to be included:

restless (agoria dub) 6:09 cd, dig restless (agoria mix) 6:48 v, cd restless (andrew weatherall dub) 7:13 dig restless (andrew weatherall mix) 7:47 v, cd, dig restless (andrew weatherall instrumental mix) 7:49 dig restless (album) 5:28 v, cd, dig, cs restless (extended) 9:30 v, cd, dig restless (extended 12 inch mix) 8:14 v, cd restless (extended mix) 7:09 v, cd, dig restless (rac isntrumental mix) 6:38 dig restless (rac mix) 6:44 v, cd restless (radio edit) 3:29 cd restless (single version) 4:31 v, cd restless (xxxy build up mix) 6:47 v, cd restless (xxxy dub) 6:47 dig

recycle 2 - series 6 - set 2 - tutti frutti

tutti frutti (album) 6:22 v, cd, dig, cs tutti frutti (12 inch mix 2) 7:30 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (extended) 8:05 v, dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix) 7:02 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix instrumental) 11:43 dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix) 11:44 cd, dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix edit) 8:55 v tutti frutti (hot chip remix instrumental)11:43 dig tutti frutti (radio edit) 3:40 cd tutti frutti (radio remix) 3:47 cd tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix) 9:02 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix instrumental) 9:02 dig tutti frutti (single version) 4:17 cd, dig tutti frutti (takkyu ishino remix) 7:54 v, dig tutti frutti (tom rowlands remix) 7:41 cd, dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix) 10:31 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix instrumental) 10:31 dig

recycle 2 - series 6 - set 3 - singularity

singularity (album) 5:37 v, cd, dig, cs singularity (promo edit) 4:01 cd singularity (Single Edit) 4:13 v, cd, dig singularity (extended) 7:34 v, cd, dig singularity (Erol Alkan’s Extended Rework) 7:40 v, dig singularity (Erol Alkan’s Stripped Mix) 7:20 cd, dig singularity (Mark Reeder’s Duality Remix) 4:57 v, cd, dig singularity (Mark Reeder’s Individual Remix)8:14 dig singularity (JS Zeiter Dub) 7:47 v, dig singularity (JS Zeiter Remix) 9:05 cd, dig singularity (JS Zeiter Remix Instrumenatal)9:05 cd singularity (Liars Remix) 5:32 dig

recycle 2 - series 6 - set 4 - people on the high line

people on the high line (album) 5:41 v, cd, dig, cs people on the high line (extended) 7:52 v, cd, dig people on the high line (Richard X Radio Edit) 3:35 cd, dig people on the high line (Richard X Video Mix) 4:16 v people on the high line (Claptone Remix) 6:18 v, cd, dig people on the high line (Claptone radio edit) 3:32 v people on the high line (LNTG Can't Get Any Higher Remix) 7:20 cd, dig people on the high line (Planet Funk Remix) 5:48 cd, dig people on the high line (Extended Mix) 7:50 v people on the high line (Hybrid Mix) 9:02 cd, dig people on the high line (Hybrid Armchair Remix) 5:39 cd, dig

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Looks like you may have dug up some "dig"s that I don't think I was aware were available unless you had industry access. And maybe that's still the case. Such as:

restless (andrew weatherall dub) 7:13 dig restless (andrew weatherall instrumental mix) 7:49 dig restless (rac isntrumental mix) 6:38 dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix instrumental) 11:43 dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix instrumental)11:43 dig tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix instrumental) 9:02 dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix instrumental) 10:31 dig

I don't imagine any of these instrumentals/dubs will change my world (not much NO left in them). Just wondering - did they appear somewhere online where "thieves" like us could legally get them?

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Debaser wrote: Looks like you may have dug up some "dig"s that I don't think I was aware were available unless you had industry access. And maybe that's still the case. Such as:

restless (andrew weatherall dub) 7:13 dig restless (andrew weatherall instrumental mix) 7:49 dig restless (rac isntrumental mix) 6:38 dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix instrumental) 11:43 dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix instrumental)11:43 dig tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix instrumental) 9:02 dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix instrumental) 10:31 dig

I don't imagine any of these instrumentals/dubs will change my world (not much NO left in them). Just wondering - did they appear somewhere online where "thieves" like us could legally get them?

these were not available for download. i was told they were press only, in streaming format.

later -1

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Will be adding mark reeder mixes, of the game, and academic. also mixes for Music Complete Remix EP.

That should be it for now, unless yet more remixes get released.

later -1

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Debaser wrote: I don't imagine any of these instrumentals/dubs will change my world (not much NO left in them). Just wondering - did they appear somewhere online where "thieves" like us could legally get them?

negative1 wrote: these were not available for download. i was told they were press only, in streaming format.

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What's the point in commissioning all these remixes if they are never made commercially available? Do they not want the fans to hear them? Surely if they were to stick them on iTunes (or any other downloads site) & if people want to download them, then it's upto them, but it would generate some income from the sales etc, so why not do this instead of making them not available? It all seems like a real waste of time to me!...

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It's standard that remixers were asked to supply instrumentals of each of their remixes. Not a huge effort really, probably more to do with having them in case of TV use.

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also of note, is that for the complete music release, and mixes, they were released as multi-track mp4 files, which are basic stems.

these could be used to make instrumentals, and other remixes. i might incorporate those into the listing also.

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I think someone may have already made the very same unofficial instrumentals you suggest. :-D

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if and when the other remixes for 'be a rebel' come out, that will be yet another addition to this collection.

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