ok, thanks to 50pound note, and his friends, we had an excellent version of what recycle the box set would have been like.

but what about the rest? the ones that came after world in motion?

it's time to revisit that idea.

i'm slowly working on the listings, and will be posting them on a blog shortly..

basically it will cover these singles:

1 regret 2 ruined in a day 3 world 4 spooky

5 true faith 94 6 1963-94 7 lets go (salvation tracks)

8 blue monday 95 9 video 586 9b brutal 10 true faith 2001

11 crystal 12 60 mph 13 someone like you 14 here to stay 14b world in motion 2002 15 confusion 2002

16 krafty 17 jetstream 18 waiting for the sirens call 19 guilt is a useless emotion 19b hellbent

we will visit each single separately, and see what tracks can go on them.

later -1

the following singles won't be represented:

808 state acid house mixes jamx deleon - blue monday 2005 run wild record store day - ceremony

dj mixes crystal competition mixes

some, but not all the tracks from the 12x12 singles.

that will be a separate project.

as an added bonus disc,

20 the peter saville show sountrack will be included.

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/saville.html

later -1

NotAMod wrote: If you start uploading mass amounts of copyrighted material Warner Music may get a little cross with you.

Not to mention the band and/or their management who are known to actively read these forums.

Most of what you're proposing above is still purchasable or widely available second hand so people can still buy it.

If the New Order Archives who offered obscure live shows was hit with a cease and desist, how long do you really think your public "Recycle 2" will last?

i'm not worried in the least bit.

it's a private blog.

i'm just announcing it here.

no harm in discussing their music.

later -1

for the first title from the first set of singles, we look at regret:

regret was the return of new order, with the album republic.

there were several remixes, spread across vinyl and cd.

most of the mixes were on the cd-single.

the sabres slow n low edit was on retro.

all of these are sourced of cd. the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes, also there was a french promo cd, that had those also.

the radio edit is exclusive from:

http://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Regret/release/878375

for the first single we have these:

---------------------------------------------------------1 regret (or 7 inch version)              4:08  v, cd, cs, ld optional -regret (radio edit)             3:50  cd  2 regret (the new order mix)              5:10  v, cd, cs3 regret (fire island mix)                7:15  v, cd, cs4 regret (junior dub mix)                 7:44  v, cd, cs5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low)            12:49  v, cd6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb)          12:11  v, cd7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit)       6:41  cd================================about 52 minutes

later -1

NOTE : the private blog is up, which will have previews, PM me for an invite

i'll still post updates here for discussion, since its easier using a forum:

heres some early artwork,

conventional:

alternate:

later -1

-1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

thanks, need all the help i can get... i will actually try to match up the fonts wherever i can..

this is a very early draft..

What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it? 'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it?

yes, according to both:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/

http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries)

'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released.

the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song.

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987.

everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks..

and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them.

i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also.

later -1

Ruined in a day was the second single:

2 separate cd singles came out.

also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo), and a few later promo mixes on cd.

there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle', which was an instrumental with one mix on cd, and the other on cassette.

================1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version)  3:58  v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix)         5:44  v, cd, cs3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)   6:14  v, cd, cs4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit)     4:30  v, cd, cs5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12")    4:30  v, cd, cs6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove)   5:25  v, cd, cs7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub)    4:28  v, cd, cs8 ruined in a day (live mix)            4:30  v, cd, cs9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)        3:55  cd10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)       6:14  v, cd, cs  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)        6:14  v, cs==================================58 minutes12 vicious circle (mike haas mix)        3:23  cd, cs13 vicious circle (new order mix)        4:09  cs--------------------------------------------------------------total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sec

later -1

here is some early artwork for 'ruined in a day':

conventional:

alternate:

later -1

ok, just to clarify some issues.

i've been asked a few questions, so will reply to them here.

1. what is the goal of this project?

to create a supplemental listing of new order tracks similar to the previously released recycled project

2. is this for sale?

definitely not. this is a fan based project, made for personal and private, non-public use.

3. what is the blog for?

the blog is for a more private sharing of the ideas with more freedom than the forum or mailing list

4. how do i sign up?

pm or email me. once you do that, you can sign up by yourself for an account. or alternatively, i can invite you if you provide an email.

5. where are all the tracks?

there aren't any yet. if there are, they will be preview versions.

this project has 3 stages) 1- pre-production 2) production 3) final release

we are currently at stage 1

6. what is the final product?

a listing of the files, and perhaps a playlist, and artwork for anything further consult the blog for updates.

thanks for your participation, or you just want to lurk and observe, feel free to do so.

however, those that participate with ideas, tracks, artwork, will receive the most benefit.

thanks again, and enjoy.

later -1

the blog has been updated:

• first preview updates
• updated tracks listing reference to v1.06 with new additions

check it out.

later -1

Recycle 2 - Series 1

Series 1======================1 regret2 ruined in a day3 world4 spooky----------------------------------------For series 1, we have the following:------------------------------------regret was the return of new order,with the album republic.there were several remixes, spreadacross vinyl and cd.most of the mixes were on the cd-single.the sabres slow n low edit was on retro.all of these are sourced of cd.the japanese republic had the 2 sabres mixes,also there was a french promo cd, that had those also.for the first single we have these:---------------------------------------------------------1 regret (or 7 inch version)               4:08  v, cd, cs, ld 2 regret (the new order mix)               5:10  v, cd, cs3 regret (fire island mix)                 7:15  v, cd, cs4 regret (junior dub mix)                  7:44  v, cd, cs5 regret (sabres slow 'n' low)            12:49  v, cd6 regret (sabres fast 'n' throb)          12:11  v, cd7 regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit)        6:41  cd================================about 52 minutestracks 1-4 from uk/us cd singletracks 5-6 from japanese Republic/french promo cd singletrack 7 from retro boxed setRuined in a day was thesecond single:2 separate cd singles came out.also, a few more mixes on vinyl (promo),and a few later promo mixes on cd.there was a new b-side called 'vicious circle',which was an instrumental with one mix on cd,and the other on cassette.================1 ruined in a day (best of) (or single version)  3:58  v, cd, cs, ld 2 ruined in a day (ambient mix)                  5:44  v, cd, cs3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)            6:14  v, cd, cs4 ruined in a day (sly & robbie radio edit)      4:30  v, cd, cs5 ruined in a day (bogle mix or 12")             4:30  v, cd, cs6 ruined in a day (dance hall groove)            5:25  v, cd, cs7 ruined in a day (rhythm twins dub)             4:28  v, cd, cs8 ruined in a day (live mix)                     4:30  v, cd, cs9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)                 3:55  cd10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)               6:14  v, cd, cs  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)                6:14  v, cs==================================58 minutes12 vicious circle (mike haas mix)                3:23  cd, cs13 vicious circle (new order mix)                4:09  cs--------------------------------------------------------------total 58+7:30 = 65min:30sectracks 1-3, 12 from uk cd1tracks 4-8, from uk cd2track 9, from uk promo cdtrack 10, from rest of cdtrack 11, from us/uk promo 12"track 13, from uk cs, sourced from 'recycle excerpts cd'the third single: worldthis was also a multi format release spanningmany different mixes.there were 2 separate cd singles following thepattern of the last single.most of the mixes were included on the 2nd single.===========================1 world (perfecto edit)                       3:58  cd, cs2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs3 world (perfecto mix)                        7:33  v, cd, cs 4 world (sexy disco dub)                      5:56  v, cd, cs  5 world (the brothers in rhythm mix)          8:03  v, cd, cs  6 world (the brothers dubstrumental)          5:39  v, cd  7 world (world in action mix)                 5:51  v, cd, cs 8 world (pharmacy dub)                        7:06  v, cd9 world (the price of dub)                    6:48  v10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 11 world (tony garcia radio edit)             3:28  cd         =================================60 minutestracks 1-4 from uk cd1tracks 5-8 from uk cd2track 9 from ruined in a day uk 12"track 10 from us cdtrack 11 from cd 'excerpts from recycle'=====================================================spooky, the 4th and final single:the first part concentrated on the remixesdone by the group fluke. (another one of myfavorite bands).=======================================================1 spooky (minimix or radio edit)       3:48  cd, cs, ld     2 spooky (magimix)                     6:55  v, cd, cs3 spooky (moulimix)                    5:49  v, cd, cs4 spooky (out of order mix)            6:19  v, cd 5 spooky (stadium mix)                 6:30  v, cd 6 spooky (neworder in heaven)          6:10  v, cd7 spooky (boo! dub mix)                4:56  v, cd 8 spooky (stadium instrumental)        6:32  v, cd9 spooky (night tripper mix)           7:02  v, cd===================================================53mintracks 1-3 from uk cd1tracks 4-8 from uk cd2track 9 from us cd/uk cd for 1963-95============================================totals  : 40 songspromos  : 2formats : 2 vinyl, 1 cassette, 37 cd============================================

Time : 4 hours

tarbox23 wrote: -1, the lead R in Regret is bizarrely out of balance IMHO (odd for a serif font, that technique might possibly work in allcap, or sans serif) ---- not very saville --- might want to tweak that --- just some advice from a fellow designer

here's some updated versions with the tracklistings:

conventional:

alternate:

later -1

Some test renders of box, book, cd:

later -1

negative1 wrote:

No Barcode wrote: What's the criterion? 'True Faith 2001' was not an official remix, was it?

yes, according to both:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/

http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/master/41131 (last 3-4 entries)

'Video 5.8.6' is not a typical release, more like an archive vault product, that normally is never included (or at least not in this chronological order). There was never 'World in Motion 2002' (rumor of a new remix was circulating at the time, but instead they re-released the 1990 version backed with 'Such a Good Thing').

right on both... however, if we go chronologically, that's when it wss released.

the point of including world in motion, was precisely to include the new b-side song.

Another point: why indeed? All that was released in the digital age, on CDs. Sadly, what distinguished the Factory-era output from London was the substance of the material: solid B-sides, smart minimum of remixes. To collect all various remixes after 1993 is entertaining but futile, in my opinion.

i prefer only new order tracks and mixes up to 1987. everything after this is pretty subpar. however, there's a huge part of their catalog that incorporates these tracks..

and for the sake of completeness, its well worth cataloging them.

i intend on doing a recycle+ compilation, and going back and revisiting all the previous singles, and adding in some extra tracks, and mixes also.

later -1

Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss.

Andy wrote: Quite a lot of time and effort spent on a band whose last quarter century of work you dismiss.

agreed, but still fun to chronicle.

the last good album from them was in 1983 with 'power corruption and lies', although 'low-life' was very good, and 'brotherhood' was ok.

i don't really like their albums, but they have a lot of variety in their mixes.

i listen to a lot of techno, and electronica, so when they have gone down that road, i tend to listen. some of the mixes of 'waiting for the sirens call', such as the planet funk one were very listenable,as were blue monday 95 mixes by hardfloor, and others. there's a handful from here and there that add up to a decent collection.

later -1

3 ruined in a day (reunited in a day)            6:14  v, cd, cs10 ruined in a day (k-klass remix)               6:14  v, cd, cs  

2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 

These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

wasn't this already done? like everything on mp3, nice graphics. even a wooden box as I recall.

http://mail.spotnick.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=43797

reg guy wrote: wasn't this already done? like everything on mp3, nice graphics. even a wooden box as I recall.

http://mail.spotnick.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=43797

not really.

did you get anything out of that? was anything released?

did anybody share it?

completely different project, with a similar idea, thats about it.

this is more like a continuation of the work that 50pound did with their recycle project.

later -1

I don't really see the point, as most of those songs are pretty available (auction, iTunes-type services, etc)..... And it could get you in trouble. I don't make these kinds of rules, but you know, we have to abide by them.

not everyone has or uses itunes. i sure haven't seen any of the many promo mixes out there, or am i missing something?

what about the vinyl only tracks? the compilation only ones?

most of these tracks are sourced from cd, so not a lot of work needs to be done to them.

this is a private project, if you're not interested. that's your prerogative.

plenty of people have expressed interest in it. just like they did with the 'interational 2' - 4cd set. quite a few appreciated that also.

maybe the band will come out with something official someday.

we can only hope.

later -1

update to blog:

• ruined in a day preview up,

changed tracklisting by removing K-klass remix, which was the same as the reunited in a day remix

- added previews for PROMO ONLY versions- 9 ruined in a day (k-klass edit)                 3:55  cd  11 ruined in a day (instrumental)                6:14  v, csadded instrumental from cassette remastered- 13 vicious circle (new order mix)                4:09  cs

later -1

Early artwork for Series 1 - Disc 3 - World:

Standard:

Alternate:

later -1

leather-girl wrote: I don't really see the point, as most of those songs are pretty available (auction, iTunes-type services, etc).....

where exactly are we supposed to find these?

where are you looking????? i can't check itunes JAPAN, but i doubt it has very much either.

i checked itunes USA:

Series 1

1 regret - 4 out 7 mixes 2 ruined in a day - 1 out 11 mixes, 0 out of 2 b-sides 3 world - 1 out of 11 mixes 4 spooky - 8 out of 9 mixes

Series 2

5 true faith 94 - 0 out of 9 mixes 6 1963-94 - 0 out of 7 mixes 7 lets go - 0 out of 4 mixes (salvation tracks)

Series 3

8 blue monday 95 - 0 out of 12 mixes 9 video 586 - 0 out of 4 brutal - missing 10 true faith 2001 - 0 out of 9 mixes

Series 4

11 crystal part 1 - 1 out of 13, missing 5 b-sides 12 crystal part 2 - 60 mph - 0 out of 4, missing b-side 13 someone like you - 0 out 8 mixes 14 here to stay - 1 out of 4, missing b-side world in motion 2002 missing 15 confusion 2002 - 0 out of 12 mixes

Series 5

16 krafty - 7 out of 13 mixes 17 jetstream - 8 out of 13 mixes 18 waiting for the sirens call - 0 out of 10 mixes 19 guilt is a useless emotion - 5 out of 13 mixes hellbent - has it

so basically, you can only find 36 out of 180-200 tracks..

thats about 20%.

what a joke.

amazon is a lot worse, only has a few more mixes for 'guilt is a useless emotion', thats its.

and buying 20-25 singles off ebay, is way too much time and effort for most people.

itunes UK is the worst of all, only has the 'spooky' single and best of mixes.

this project is a lot easier to deal with, and have everything conveniently located.

later -1

I personally do like remixes, but I have no desire to collect every remix (official or unofficial) that's ever been made. If it's not available digitally, I suppose some might look at auction sites (Ebay etc) or something to find what they want. I know there's a Buy/Trade/Sell section both here and on neworderweb, so fans who have a lot of things can trade or sell some items they want.