Barney's Book

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Should imagine there'll be a few personal appearances around the same time though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0593073177

thanks for the heads up.

see also on Amazon there is a new book re J.D. coming out in October re I.C., pre-order the two for £45.00

Thanks for the heads up.Looking forward to reading it.Not sure about the title he's eventually gone with though , Chapter And Verse? hmm...

Like the photo chosen for the cover.Have a feeling that's from the Brotherhood era though might be wrong

Oh and the price shown now is £13.60?

Bill wrote: Oh and the price shown now is £13.60?

Morning Bill

Quite excited for this one.

having 2 books about one of my 2 favorite people in music is almost as wonderful as having 2 about bernard and one about danny kirwan. the book cover photo captures bernard's beguilingly attractive although almost anonymous starpower , and luckily there are many other great photos of him

keepitcoming wrote: having 2 books about one of my 2 favorite people in music is almost as wonderful as having 2 about bernard and one about danny kirwan. the book cover photo captures bernard's beguilingly attractive although almost anonymous starpower , and luckily there are many other great photos of him

I'm hoping for a centerfold.

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keepitcoming wrote: the book cover photo captures bernard's beguilingly attractive although almost anonymous starpower , and luckily there are many other great photos of him

Yeah, my nads are straining at the elastic at the very thought. A girl in the pub told me Bernard's auto-biography is coming out. She knows, 'cos she's writing it.

NME article

He's doing interviews / signings in Liverpool and Manchester in October.

I don't know if anyone has posted this already, but there's what looks like a book of new order photographs coming in 2015.

Amazon link

poorshakes wrote: I don't know if anyone has posted this already, but there's what looks like a book of new order photographs coming in 2015.

Amazon link

See the last posts in this thread.

Now less than a month until this comes out - any news of any signings anywhere in the UK? Nothing on the website for Foyles, which if I remember correctly, is where Peter did signings for his last book.

Bernard Sumner in conversation with Dave Haslam

21 Sept in Manchester

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/event/new-order-joy-division-me-bernard-sumner-in-conversation-with-dave-haslam/

30 Sept in Liverpool

https://epstein.ticketline.co.uk/order/tickets/13296987/new-order-joy-division-and-me-liverpool-epstein-theatre-2014-09-30-19-30-00/standard

Dave's twitter page would be the place for any more updates, in case any more dates are added.

http://twitter.com/Mr\_Dave\_Haslam

Cheers for that Wayne - I was hoping for something in the South, but it's not looking good unless he leaves it until the last minute to announce something. I'll probably just order a copy through Amazon and leave it at that.

Yeah I was hoping for more dates too Ken. I'm in Leicester so I was hoping for something in the Midlands. I thought he may do something in Birmingham, and also further South especially London.

But I agree, it's not looking likely at this moment.

I wrote to Random House to ask if they'd do any more, as obviously they'd be interest around the UK, but never got a reply.

I also sent a tweet to Dave Haslam saying that fans around the country would like a few more dates, but none added so far.

Maybe there will still be something added, or maybe he'll do a few more when it comes out in paperback next year to re-promote it at that time.

It doesn't always happen with the paperback launch but sometimes it does. For example, Sir Alex Ferguson did a handful of events for when his autobiography came out in hardback last year, but now he's doing a big 'Evening With' talk at the Theatre Royal Drury Lane in London on 26 Oct to mark the book coming out in paperback.

So maybe we will see something in other parts of the UK for Chapter and Verse at some point.

Here's hoping anyway.

Doubt there would be anymore of these so booked tickets for Manchester. Only a few left restricted only, only the back of Barneys head will be visible. But I have been informed he has one of the finest back heads in the business, and I know hooky was always glad to see the back of him.

Waterstones Trafalgar Square announced for the 25th: Waterstones

Anyone know where gig for 29 th is.😕

im at Hookys on 25 th lol.

from a poison pen

Debaser wrote: [TWITTER]485129172923056129[/TWITTER]

Well, I will ask him to sign my copy in October

Glasgow has been added for the 29th

so to round up, he's doing 4 dates now

seems like all 4 are organised by Waterstones as they're all listed on their website

here's the info for all 4 -

Sunday, 21 September 2014, 3:00PM

Bernard Sumner in conversation with Dave Haslam THIS HAS NOW SOLD OUT

Royal Exchange Theatre, St Ann's Square, Manchester, M2 7DH

£10 full view, £7 restricted

Legendary Manchester musician Bernard Sumner, of Joy Division and New Order fame joins Dave Haslam in a discussion at the Royal Exchange to celebrate the release of Bernard's autobiography 'Chapter and Verse'. This promises to be brilliant.

Further details: 0161 833 9833

Thursday, 25 September 2014, 7:00PM

An evening with Bernard Sumner

WATERSTONE'S TRAFALGAR SQ., LONDON

Tickets £20, including booking fee and including a copy of Chapter and Verse to collect at the event join us at this special event as the founding member and guitarist of Joy Division and the lead singer of New Order discusses his new memoir with Dave Simpson of The Guardian.

Further details: 0207 839 4411

Monday, 29 September 2014, 6:30PM

An evening with Bernard Sumner

WATERSTONE'S GLASGOW SAUCHIEHA

Tickets £20, including a drink and a copy of Bernard's Chapter and Verse, available from the bookshop or by clicking Buy Tickets. Booking charges may apply.

Join us at this special event as Bernard Sumner, founding member and guitarist of Joy Division and lead singer of New Order, discusses his new memoir Chapter and Verse.

Further details: 0141 332 9105

Tuesday, 30 September 2014, 7:30PM

An Evening With Bernard Sumner - In Conversation With Dave Haslam

Epstein Theatre, 85 Hanover St Liverpool L1 3DY

epstein.ticketline.co.uk

Join founding member and lead guitarist of Joy Division and lead singer of New Order, Bernard Sumner, as he talks about his long-awaited autobiography, Chapter and Verse. In conversation with DJ/writer Dave Haslam, Bernard tells of the early days of Joy Division, to enormous critical and commercial success as well as the tragic death of Ian Curtis and the formation of New Order.

Tickets are £10. Bernard will be signing copies of his book after the event and the book will be available to buy on the night.

Further details: 0151 709 9820

The Waterstones page with links to Buy Tickets online is at

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/displayDetailEvent.do?searchType=1&author=Bernard%7CSumner

so still no Midlands date like I'd personally like, but at least there's more now.

Hooky seems very interested. What he'd be thinking about?

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Aracri wrote: Hooky seems very interested. What he'd be thinking about?

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that's a great photo!

Wow thought the book wasn't out til the 25th but just found email from Amazon saying my order has been dispatched and i should receive it tomorrow the 18th (or today now really as its 1.15am) .Wasn't expecting that Yay yay yippee do!

Just heard Bernard on 5 Live

Little chance of a reconciliation with Hooky. 'He's a very angry man'.

Book delivered just now.This has really taken me by surprise.Quick flick through before start of reading, there's some cracking previously unseen photos.Really excited about reading this book.

Just catching up with the full interview on catch up now.Go to about 25 minutes in to find start of interview

The section about the split seems a little odd at first read, though throughout the book he seems fairly open about Karl Bartos "knowing what a twat I am", and sometimes being a "right miserable scumbag" as he puts it on p280. I'll have to read it properly. Also credits Hooky with musical talent quite graciously I thought.

Bill wrote: Just catching up with the full interview on catch up now.Go to about 25 minutes in to find start of interview

Thanks for that Mr Turnbull. It would have been interesting to hear Bacon ask about the legal stuff relating to reforming NO without youknowwho, and also when the new album was likely to get made/released. I don't think there was too much I didn't already know in that interview. Respect to Bacon for suggesting they just bury the hatchet anyway. He gets points for that.

Early chapters of the book where Bernard says about the health problems his Mother, Grandmother and Grandfather suffered and the tearing down of the street he'd grown up in is heartwrenching and harrowing stuff.Sounds like he had a nightmare time growing up though it is interspersed with lighter, funnier stories from that period of his life.

The science teacher story is mental [eek2]

New Order fans are fiercely loyal. They don't just like New Order, they feel a profound connection between the band, music and themselves. It goes way beyond simply liking a catchy tune, its deeply personal : its not just a case of playing our music while they're washing the pots or catching us occasionally on the radio - these are people whose lives have been changed, who've found some kind of solace or inspiration in what we've done.

My favourite line from the book so far, never a truer word spoken.

As for the book itself, enjoyable I obviously don't want to spoil it for the rest so that's all I am saying

www.neworderweb.net wrote: New Order fans are fiercely loyal. They don't just like New Order, they feel a profound connection between the band, music and themselves. It goes way beyond simply liking a catchy tune, its deeply personal : its not just a case of playing our music while they're washing the pots or catching us occasionally on the radio - these are people whose lives have been changed, who've found some kind of solace or inspiration in what we've done.

My favourite line from the book so far, never a truer word spoken.

As for the book itself, enjoyable I obviously don't want to spoil it for the rest so that's all I am saying

I told Bernard as much when I got the chance to meet him last year. New Order, and Joy Division as well, got me through my brother's passing. I got both band's Substance (via BMG) in the mail just days after he passed and I connected immediately to the music. New Order helped me try to find joy and dance without fear. Powerful stuff...

www.neworderweb.net wrote: New Order fans are fiercely loyal. They don't just like New Order, they feel a profound connection between the band, music and themselves. It goes way beyond simply liking a catchy tune, its deeply personal : its not just a case of playing our music while they're washing the pots or catching us occasionally on the radio - these are people whose lives have been changed, who've found some kind of solace or inspiration in what we've done.

My favourite line from the book so far, never a truer word spoken.

As for the book itself, enjoyable I obviously don't want to spoil it for the rest so that's all I am saying

I agree with this 100%, He couldn't have said it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57EgXtuo81w&list=UU7pcI9Im0frl\_CLmVLxZIUQ

FuneralAddict wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57EgXtuo81w&list=UU7pcI9Im0frl\_CLmVLxZIUQ

lesser quality than the official BBC link posted above.

Finished reading the book .Yeah i enjoyed it immensely.Just was really good after all these years to finally get Bernard's story and what makes him tick, his views and opinions and everything else.Yeah there's been countless interviews etc with him over the years but a book is just, dunno, different.

I kind of zone out these days when it comes to the tales about the legal wranglings with the Hacienda and prefer to read stories and accounts that i've not previously read about.Even if it's little tales like the one about when he was driving a hire car in America and it turned out it had faulty brakes.Then there's other tales which i had previously read about but had long forgotten.

I actually found myself laughing reading about the breakdown in relations between Hooky and the rest of the band..just found a lot of the incidents Bernard recounts on that subject hilarious.But Bernard's bit about "do the maths" was hard to argue with.

I've tried to give my personal opinion of the book there without giving much away to people that haven't read it yet and i feel i haven't given too much away

Thought there would have been a lot more posts on this thread or the forum in general from people giving their thoughts on the book, whether they liked it or not( without giving the story away of course!)Bit odd and strange there's only been a handful of posts.

Going Manc Sunday to get this book and listen to Barney talk. Cheers for not revealing too much mate!

The full transcript of Bernard's hypnosis session with Ian Curtis- wow, that was pretty fucking spooky to read but very,very interesting.What do you make of something like that? I suppose experts or scientists or whoever would dismiss that kind of thing and come up with some explanation about it's not possible to remember under hypnosis or any other method some previous life (if there is such a thing) but my gut reaction is that Bernard really did manage to do that with Ian Curtis.But then again experts would probably say i'm biassed towards Bernard .

Rocket Mick wrote: Going Manc Sunday to get this book and listen to Barney talk. Cheers for not revealing too much mate!

Cheers, Mick.Have fun at the signing

Aaargh - I forgot this came out today, I would have perhaps bought it in hardback, but anyway have now got the kindle version. Whatever, real books can be hard work after kindle - though I'll eventually get it in paperback at least, so as to have something to hold onto. It seems very readable, perhaps more so than Morrissey's Autobiography which I read whenever I'm in the dentist waiting room as there seems to be no 3G there. I'm still only 23% of the way through.

I see someone has already put up a silly review on Amazon - though this is now perhaps a tradition and only to be expected.

rosygale wrote: It seems very readable, perhaps more so than Morrissey's Autobiography which I read whenever I'm in the dentist waiting room as there seems to be no 3G there. I'm still only 23% of the way through.

Agreed, I've picked it up and put it down about 15 times. I'm now 3/4 of the way through and have read two other books in between, since I started it.

I'll read Bernard's Book before I finish the Morrissey one.

Just seen Bernard at the interview / signing in Manchester. Pretty sure I saw Pottsy.

FuneralAddict wrote: Just seen Bernard at the interview / signing in Manchester. Pretty sure I saw Pottsy.

You didn't... We're out of town at production rehearsals............ otherwise would defo have been there..

Oh right, fair enough..he must have a double [:eek]

Will there be a North America release?

BBC Breakfast this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04hz62r

Bernard on Radio 4 today.

Well, Bernard's almost as interview-happy as Hooky these days. By the time Steve gets round to his book we'll be wishing it was the quiet 80's. Lazy people may wish to know that this one starts at 5.45 through to about 14.40.

Went to the Trafalgar Square event on Thursday night, Bernard seemed to be in fine form (among other things, we learnt that LWTUA is his favourite JD song to play live and Temptation the NO one, the real story behind the 'funkier' version of Blue Monday getting deleted, their show in Copenhagen with Miles Davis and that he wasn't too impressed with Hooky calling him a cunt and twatto)

I had a few words with him at the end when he signed my copy of the book and I asked him when we can expect some UK dates - he said they're going to concentrate on the album first which isn't really that much of a surprise, but heres hoping it'll be sooner rather than later, and not propping up the bill on something like that Blur show in Hyde Park which quite honestly was a shambles (forgot to tell him that until I was well clear of the shop)

Bill wrote: The full transcript of Bernard's hypnosis session with Ian Curtis- wow, that was pretty fucking spooky to read but very,very interesting.What do you make of something like that? I suppose experts or scientists or whoever would dismiss that kind of thing and come up with some explanation about it's not possible to remember under hypnosis or any other method some previous life (if there is such a thing) but my gut reaction is that Bernard really did manage to do that with Ian Curtis.But then again experts would probably say i'm biassed towards Bernard .

Probably just "Confabulation" ?

Bought the hardback today - I was not planning to, but couldn't resist just going to have a look at it in waterstones, and they had signed copies, so that was that. Must've got them up from Glasgow? So now I have a signed 1st edition on my bookshelf. Yay, as they say! And it won't be appearing on amazon collectibles either (some have, can you believe it already!)

Another thing that made me buy it was the photo inside the front and back covers which is the ultra cool one that was in, I think it was Sounds, of him walking along a sidewalk in, I think it was New York, around about 1985-ish, that I don't think anyone is aware of within 100 miles of me. Took me right back to some very different times...

rosygale wrote:

Another thing that made me buy it was the photo inside the front and back covers which is the ultra cool one that was in, I think it was Sounds, of him walking along a sidewalk in, I think it was New York, around about 1985-ish, that I don't think anyone is aware of within 100 miles of me. Took me right back to some very different times...

Yes, great photo.Amazing there's not yet been a tee shirt made of it.Think it was slightly earlier than 1985 though, maybe 1983 when they did some gig(s) in New York (Paradise Garage was it?) and one or two other American cities?

Still waiting for my copy to come in the mail. I should not have told my wife -- she asked to read it first.

Dutch review: http://kettingzaag.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/bernard-sumner-peter-hook-0-0/

Or hilariously translated by Google Translate: https://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=\_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkettingzaag.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F09%2F25%2Fbernard-sumner-peter-hook-0-0%2F&edit-text=

Yes that is hilarious. But nice with the baked pears eh? I'm nicking "worthless turd flap" for future use. Not necessarily in relation to NO members I should stress.

The book has been a disappointment so far, but I wasn't expecting too much. Has glaring factual inaccuracies, such as stating Joy Division had already recorded Glass and Digital with Martin Rushent and then gave that to Hannett to remix, which was impossible as the Rushent session didn't take place until Spring '79, yet the Factory Sample was recorded in Late 1978.

Will give a fuller appraisal when I've finished reading it, but Barney has added nothing new to what was already out there.

There's little new in there, TBH, almost all of it has been in various interviews over the year. Though the funkier version of BM? The Quincy Jones remix?

markreed wrote: There's little new in there, TBH, almost all of it has been in various interviews over the year. Though the funkier version of BM? The Quincy Jones remix?

Er, no - Stephen accidentally wiped the 'funkier' version (he didn't say exactly what it was about the original that made it funkier)

komakino wrote: Has glaring factual inaccuracies, such as stating Joy Division had already recorded Glass and Digital with Martin Rushent and then gave that to Hannett to remix, which was impossible as the Rushent session didn't take place until Spring '79, yet the Factory Sample was recorded in Late 1978..

It's a nice day outside. I can't be arsed to read this book. Quite honestly I've never been particularly interested in their private lives, just the little music they can bothered to put out. The best book on JD IMO (so it must be true) is http://www.ibs.it/code/9788862310017/di-marco-marco/joy-division-broken.html as it's based on each track rather than Ian boning a Belgian. It's different with someone like Ingmar Bergman, where the life gives you an insight into the art, but would anyone care to give an in-depth analysis of 'Every Second Counts'? I'm looking forward to Gillian's book, 'Nervous giggle, Brush my fringe back, Still can't get a fucking word out after all these years'.

Ricardo wrote:

Source: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/peter-hook-its-quite-shocking-7826576

Sad, sad, sad.

Ken Doherty wrote:

markreed wrote: There's little new in there, TBH, almost all of it has been in various interviews over the year. Though the funkier version of BM? The Quincy Jones remix?

Er, no - Stephen accidentally wiped the 'funkier' version (he didn't say exactly what it was about the original that made it funkier)

Oh, of course, that one and they had to reprogram it? Oh I forgot about that. Wish somsone had asked about why the 2008 reissues were such a bodge job.

Guardian Interview

Andy wrote: Guardian Interview

The bag of sick story and the Peter Saville bit gave me a chuckle.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

The best book on JD IMO (so it must be true) is http://www.ibs.it/code/9788862310017/di-marco-marco/joy-division-broken.html as it's based on each track rather than Ian boning a Belgian

You're giving us links to Italian websites. Well I guess, when in Rome...

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I'm looking forward to Gillian's book, 'Nervous giggle, Brush my fringe back, Still can't get a fucking word out after all these years'.

Ooh you bitch! Actually Gillian gave a pretty good interview all by herself in recent months. It was posted somewhere on this forurm. I can't be arsed to find it now mind you.

6 page interview/feature in new (November) issue of Uncut.Nothing that revelatory but not a bad piece.Bernard also lists his current reading, about 10 books mostly with a Cold War theme.Also a 4 page interview/feature in last week's NME.

Currently up to chapter 3 of this, enjoying what I'm reading so far, interesting to hear about his upbringing and high school days.I've heard it turns into a bit of an ego-trip from here on in though, will have to wait and see...

Actually Gillian gave a pretty good interview all by herself in recent months.

All by herself? Well done!

Ah Mr Monkhouse, if ever Charlie Brooker needs a stand-in to present one of his I-am-not-impressed TV shows, he should give you a call. And just to go completely off topic here's an article that Mr Brooker has written about people hyping things up on t'internet: AWESOME!

(p.s. I'll admit that 'all by herself' did sound cheesy, and possibly patronising too)

SHY AND WHISPERS

The Autobiography of Gillian Gilbert

written by someone else

Part 1: My Childhood (nervous giggle, brushes fringe from forehead) Yes, I had a childhood. (giggle) STEVE: So do most of us! (giggle)

Part 2: I Discover Music (nervous giggle, brushes fringe from forehead) I started listening to records. STEVE: What else can you do with them? (giggle)

Part 3: New Order (nervous giggle, brushes fringe from forehead) I was asked to join New Order. Bernard sometimes showed me how to play this computer thing. STEVE: Yeah, Bernard can be a bit of a control freak. (giggle) STEVE: It's not a joke. Sorry.

Next week: The Wilderness Years (Paul Morley thought of that), The Other Two (twenty years for two albums) and Why Hooky Is A Cunt.

2 of the 3 covers ( 'turn the heater on'by keith hudson, and 'in the ghetto', with elvis p. ), are way better than the originals . and even though steve winwood's 'can't find my way home ' is exquisite, bernard 's is awfully good ,too.

bernard mentions liking fleetwood mac and peter green, but also comments that he doesn't like the bluesy stuff and wondered what the commotion was all about as to why don't they ( the white british blues giants) try to sound like a band from england . i could not agree more. spot on comment!! i love and followed the black guitar greats (buddy guy and albert king )for example ,but the last time i saw buddy was in the late 70's , it was a very small crowd , he handed me his guild '57 to hold while he went to get a drink. always smiling he grinned even more when i had mentioned danny kirwan. as a texan i confess that stevie ray vaughan had arrived on the scene too late for me to be interested , and besides our eric johnson was vastly more interesting . to this day beautiful, pastoral english sounds are what i cherish. peter green played 'bluesy stuff ' before danny kirwan joined, and peter green played more 'bluesy stuff ' after he left FM. ( he had said that he wanted to experiment with hallucinogens ( speaking of 'green manalishi') and evident again on his solo lp 'end of the game' , as a way out of blues . so bernard was most likely commenting on peter's songs from 'then play on'. kirwan brought a dozen or so blues originals with him to FMac from his time with his brixton band boilerhouse. those blues originals are not compiled yet , but my burned cd makes the most sublime blues album ever. for example, 'like it this way ', the top dueling guitar song is danny's , not peter's . and danny's version of j roger's 'world's in a tangle' , from his time in chicago with buddy and willie dixon and blues greats is fabulous. the black guys especially liked danny , and at times thought it was peter playing when it was danny. the british migration from the blues to an 'england ' sound happened to clapton, beck , page etc. . danny kirwan, the best blues guitarist, and whose blues songs are the only ones i listen to tried other genres and excelled at all. for instance if heavy metal had been his focus , his songs would likely attract sophisticated listeners, not just adolescents . but then again he was not interested in the silly antics, false bravado, and twatlike emoting . peter claimed that danny's style was not for him. many people have mistaken danny's songs as by peter . 'then play on' features kirwan's FMAC debut , and working alone he wrote 7 songs. peter claimed that 'albatross' does not happen without danny. he also mentioned that 'underway ' includes danny's chords-- like water lapping against a boat. danny asked peter to add a solo to 'world in harmony' and credited him, but even though danny helped on two of peter's best songs , peter only mentioned/ credited danny 30 years later . also, danny plays the phenomenal lead on 'oh well part 1' another of peter's best. danny also worked with tramp ( bob bruning's band , Fmac 's original bassist) and produced christine perfect's version of danny's song 'when you say' in that very busy year, , and made the transition to anything but blues so easily. danny said 'what can a white kid growing up in england know about the blues" , and danny never returned to blues . his 37 songs from his time with fmac are timeless , always playing during my driving job. and there are 37 more from his solo records also on constantly. i think kirwan is not only the best and most interesting singer , and songwriter , and guitarist of the 20th century, but his only rival is bernard. however , bernard attributes all songs to all band members, so he is #2 . all but a few of kirwan's 75 songs are all his , and if i lived 1000 lifetimes i would not get bored with either supergiant. sadly, danny could not go on and has been homeless or in shelter from the time bernard began his illustrious career.

[eek2]

Keepitcoming, just tell your parents you're on drugs. It saves time.

absolutely, but first a nice story about our hero, my king, mr. neutron. after a 4 hr drive i got to dallas ,tx too early for the show, but instead of looking for a hotel, i looked for the venue. standing near a side entrance is a guy with lps , about 15 or so. bernard comes outside, the guy calls out to bernard . bernard said ' but i signed your records 2 hrs ago', but the guy persisted. bernard walked over and signed all of those records with different colored pens as the guy requested. bernard is a treasure .

Loving the New Order Book Club

Finally got round to reading it, entertaining and lots of detail from his early days...but the technique (ah bum tish) of the writing is pretty poor and all the anti hooky stuff gets boring after a while (it's almost like he's trying to hard - and i'm teambarney !! ) Doubt it would interest many non-fans.

(an i always thought the snowball was in egg)

Hac wrote:

(an i always thought the snowball was in egg)

For the life of me I cannot hear the sound of the snowball in Temptation. Would anyone point it?

No Barcode wrote:

Hac wrote:

(an i always thought the snowball was in egg)

For the life of me I cannot hear the sound of the snowball in Temptation. Would anyone point it?

In the first minute or so of the 1982 12" version.You can hear a bit of larking about , kind of a wuh?! hey!

Bernard was on BBC 6Music this afternoon on the Radcliffe & Maconie live show from Manchester Library.

go to about 1 hour 9 minutes in

Bill wrote: Bernard was on BBC 6Music this afternoon on the Radcliffe & Maconie live show from Manchester Library.

go to about 1 hour 9 minutes in

Appreciate the stereo effect.

Debaser wrote:

(p.s. I'll admit that 'all by herself' did sound cheesy, and possibly patronising too)

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=16234#post16234

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Debaser wrote:

(p.s. I'll admit that 'all by herself' did sound cheesy, and possibly patronising too)

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=16234#post16234

Ha! Yeah I saw that.

Debaser wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Debaser wrote:

(p.s. I'll admit that 'all by herself' did sound cheesy, and possibly patronising too)

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=16234#post16234

Ha! Yeah I saw that.

She must be so proud of herself.

Daughter Order kindly bought me this for Chrimbo, interesting to Hear Bernards way of life.He missed out most of the 80,s and the book could easier have been double the length a good read and cleary aware that anything wriiten will be taken down and used as evidence.

you told me about yourself.

Having read Morrissey's first, which was pretty good but really could have used an editor, I found the brevity and focus of Bernard's refreshing. I also appreciated learning a little about the way they write -- that they prefer to just generate stuff in the studio. I also think the bits about his childhood is touching -- he downplays it I think, but his mother really must have messed with his head (since don;t all adults affect children so much more than an adult to an adult?). What I liked about the book i it overall felt like he's the guy I thought he was, from the music etc. , even given of course things get whitewashed and gussied up (there is, for instance, never any actual admitting he did any drugs or had a big falling out with anyone but Hooky)-- I appreciated that he pushed back against Hooky's idea that they're all just a bunch of punters. And the line a few people hhave cited, about New Order fans feeling really moved by the music and a deep connection is certainly true, and appreciated. If I really admit it, I think it helped save my life when times were bleakest.

I really liked Bernard's book, a vivid account of his years in these bands.

But does anyone know or have a clue why he wrote no word on the founding sequence PC&L / Low Life / Brotherhood? Is it because it would have contrasted too starkly with his accounts of the arguments with Peter Hook?

Thinking this over, a year later, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in Bernard's book. I really wanted to hear more about the music and the recording process, and the tours, and much less defending himself against Hooky.

Way too much time spent in the book worrying about the recent Hooky issues.

Bernard's revealed chidhood was maybe cathartic for him, and I felt closer to him .that and imagining Peter riding behind him on the scooter reinforced feelings of bernard's unintended dominance . But to read of his indifference to the blues and citing early Fleetwood Mac clinched it - though I was entrenched in blues , black or white in the 60's , and have a fond memory of buddy guy handing me his 57 guild while he took a break ,it was so refreshing to hear Danny Kirwan bringing life to an old tired genre ,(and Danny was second to none as a blues writer singer and player, just ask buddy guy)and then when he later never looked back to blues, neither did i. Maybe bernard or Danny wasn't really a soul mate but it felt like it

For the first time I read a book about sex, drugs and rock'n'roll without actual sex, drugs and rock'n'roll.

tarbox23 wrote: Thinking this over, a year later, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in Bernard's book. I really wanted to hear more about the music and the recording process, and the tours, and much less defending himself against Hooky.

Way too much time spent in the book worrying about the recent Hooky issues.

I must have missed the re-print and updated version of Barneys book, as my version only touches on the Hook shite, maybe a couple of pages at best, but lets be honest, if Barney wanted to publish a 1000 page 10 volume series of books on why Hook is a prick he would be well within his rights.

Alex_Loyal wrote: I must have missed the re-print and updated version of Barneys book, as my version only touches on the Hook shite, maybe a couple of pages at best, but lets be honest, if Barney wanted to publish a 1000 page 10 volume series of books on why Hook is a prick he would be well within his rights.

I'd much rather consume that in song form :)

Poisonous Intent? I can't be arsed with this book. Almost everyone everywhere says it's superficial, and I'm not really interested in how many drugs the guy took. It's different with an artist like Bergman, where the life influences the challenging work, but do we really need to know what inspired lyrics like Every Secunt Cunts?

Alex_Loyal wrote:

tarbox23 wrote: Thinking this over, a year later, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in Bernard's book. I really wanted to hear more about the music and the recording process, and the tours, and much less defending himself against Hooky.

Way too much time spent in the book worrying about the recent Hooky issues.

I must have missed the re-print and updated version of Barneys book, as my version only touches on the Hook shite, maybe a couple of pages at best, but lets be honest, if Barney wanted to publish a 1000 page 10 volume series of books on why Hook is a prick he would be well within his rights.

Well, i've searched around for this new updated version of Bernard's book and can't find it anywhere.I tried Amazon, Waterstones, Hive, Guardian books .... the lot.Can't find any trace of it.I'm stumped.

Seriously though, i've been meaning to look at Bernard's book again for a while to see exactly how much of it he devotes to the Hooky issue.Had a look last night - Bernard devotes one 17 page chapter (chapter 21)to it out of the whole book. So just one single chapter out of 22 (i haven't included the 2 appendixes, one of which is about Bernard's hypnosis session with Ian Curtis and the other one Bernard's chat with Alan Wise) .Bernard devoted just 17 pages out of 300.That's not an awful lot at all in my view.Having a flick through i can't find any other areas of the book where Bernard talks about the feud with Hooky but if anyone cares to point me to chapters other than chapter 21 that Bernard talks about the feud then please do let me know.

Honestly, some people make out Bernard spends half the book going on about Hooky.By my maths 17 pages out of 300 is a long way off half the book.

Well, that is more than 5% of the book, but on the other hand it would be odd to *not* cover it, as it's clearly an important part of his/New Order's story. You could argue it's more gentlemenly to cover it in one place, explicitly, than to scatter allusions and digs around elsewhere.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Honestly, some people make out Bernard spends half the book going on about Hooky.By my maths 17 pages out of 300 is a long way off half the book.

Might have made it more interesting if he did. I mean, it's an OK book and by his own admission Sumner doesn't like disclosing stuff about himself BUT at the beginning he says he's going to tell all and, in my opinion only, he still keeps it vague. Of the two authors Hooky is still winning for me but not for the JD book because I felt there was too many swipes at Sumner in that. For me, the Hacienda book Hooky wrote was the best as it was written just before stuff got really bad so it didn't influence his writing as much. I can only imagine how bitter the forthcoming NO book will be....

Reading the book now.

halfway done.

so far there's not a whole lot of new information. ok, maybe all the childhood stories, but i skimmed through that, as i was more interested in the music related news.

it's nice to hear things from his perspective. i look forward to finishing it tonight, and seeing how he feels in the events of the recent era's.

later -1

negative1 wrote: Reading the book now.

halfway done.

so far there's not a whole lot of new information. ok, maybe all the childhood stories, but i skimmed through that, as i was more interested in the music related news.

it's nice to hear things from his perspective. i look forward to finishing it tonight, and seeing how he feels in the events of the recent era's.

later -1

IMO the childhood stories are the most interesting part of the book. They give a real insight into Barney's background, and where JD & NO first came from. Like everyone else says he seems to skim over the music stuff rather quickly and actually I think the second half of the book is quite weak.

Didn't think he really overdid the Hooky stuff though, like others have said it was only a chapter and it would've been odd if he'd left it out?

ok, finished the book.

it's a very upbeat, happy overall look, and very positive ending from bernard.

yes, there's tragic things that happen, and a lot of the second half is all about the hacienda failing as a club, and causing problems, most of the time.

there is a good coverage of the events with the last few albums, touring, and the solo projects.

near the end, is discussion of hooky leaving the group, but it's not really anything new there either.

this is a good book, for people that are just discovering new order, and want a brief, quick, and light overview of new order, up to the present day.

got it used on amazon for cheap for the paperback. so it's worth getting it if you want it now.

later -1

I enjoyed the book.It's a year or two since i read it as i bought it immediately upon its publication.It was quite a big event for me (and quite a few other people i should think) as Bernard had been, you could say, a big idol of mine since the 80s and to finally get his view on things in his own book was of big interest to me.

Yeah i can understand people wanting more details of how they recorded such and such album but i always get the feeling Bernard finds recording albums bloody hard work so he probably would rather forget about the details.I think he approached the book more as a chance to give his story and his view, rather than detailing the mixing techniques they used on P,C&L and Low Life etc!

A few of the stories i already knew or knew but had long forgotten .The tale about him having a fight in the street with some bloke who had almost ran over in a car his girlfriend and kids; i remember reading that in an interview in Melody Maker in about 1991 but had long forgotten.But stories like the incident in a restaurant in Japan when Hooky lost the plot was new to me.

Overall i got the feeling Bernard cares a lot about the music he makes but isn't the sort of artist who wants to bore people rigid talking about how he makes that music.He wanted to focus on a bigger picture - the fun that comes with being in a band that made that music, his relationships with people, his upbringing, his opinion on everything from football to yachting, a fair bit of Bernard's sense of humour thrown in and his ending the book with a positive note.