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What is the most hard to find New Order song out there or thought to be out there? I've heard that there is a Remixed extended Mr Disco out there somewhere, Never Heard it.... would like to!
And who knows the story behind the Subculture Berlin Mixes...?
Well if you include mixes/remixes it could descend into a bit of a trainspotting-fest.
As for actual recorded song... I dunno, I would nominate "Homage" from the Western Works demo session.
Never made it past that session (bar an early live gig?) but it's technically a "New Order song".
Vicious Circle (new order mix) Sunrise (edit) Sunrise (instrumental rough mix) Rocking Carol Ode To Joy Theme (Hommage to MGM)
...there's a few.
"Are you ready, are you ready, are you ready for this?" from the western works session would be my nominee. Theme is real obscure though too.
Wasn't "Are You Ready?" a sort of collaboration between Rob Gretton and certain members of Cabaret Voltaire as they were using their Sheffield studio at the time?
Can 'Theme' be considered a proper New Order track? I know it was credited to Be Music on the Cool As Ice LTM compilation 11 years ago.
A further search on Discogs shows it as basically produced/written by by Peter Hook. Already into trainspottery territory (sorry).
Vicious Circle (NO Mix) as JJ pointed out is a good one; cassette-single only and produced by the band themselves; the fact the Republic period spawned any b-side at all is impressive enough.
Too Late (and Turn the Heater On, if you're including covers) from the 1982 Peel Session faded into obscurity. Never performed live, either (to the best of my knowledge).
The Peter Saville Show Soundtrack was another rare one.
I think some of the Technique b-sides such as MTO, Don't Do It and The Happy One are pretty rare as well. And also from the Get Ready period the b-side Such a Good Thing and their cover of Vietnam.
Their version of the Mission Impossible Theme takes a lot of beating. Was that ever released?
The Peter Saville Soundtrack is pretty rare I guess. And long 
Biginoil wrote: Their version of the Mission Impossible Theme takes a lot of beating. Was that ever released?
The Peter Saville Soundtrack is pretty rare I guess. And long
Mission: Impossible Theme not released.
That's a weird one as I'm not clear if it was for The Beach or the second Mission: Impossible film in 2000.
I've heard both theories. I reckon it was to be used in The Beach, in the computer game scene. Then along came U2 with their version for the MI film and The Beach used different music for that scene. Total guess though.
Biginoil wrote: I've heard both theories. I reckon it was to be used in The Beach, in the computer game scene. Then along came U2 with their version for the MI film and The Beach used different music for that scene. Total guess though.
Please forgive me if I have misunderstood (and I really may have misunderstood). The first of the Mission Impossible films came out in 1996, and featured the U2 boys version of the theme. The Beach came out in 2000. Are you saying that Danny Boyle was going to use the MI theme performed by NO in The Beach but then he didn't because Clayton & Mullen (U2) had done a version of the theme in '96?
MI 2 came out in 2000. Maybe it was for that, but the film studio chose to use Limp Bizkit's version instead (Limp Bizkit might have appealed more to an American action movie audience than NO back then). Or... perhaps The Beach was going to use it but didn't want to reference another film it would be competing with in 2000?
But more importantly, do we know that NO definitely recorded & finished a version of Mission Impossible? Cos if they did, I really want to hear it! ...Oh I've just answered my query on Google by finding the Power of Independent trucking blog from 09 which has the premixed Get Ready. I guess I missed all that (didn't have a PC in '09!). Unless it's available...somewhere else?
Oh, also on a vaguely related matter, the author of The Beach, Alex Garland has just had his directorial debut film released today in the UK. Ex_Machina has music by DJ Shadow in the trailer, but the film itself is scored by Geoff Barrow of Portishead. I think there may be one or two Portishead fans around here, so I just thought I'd mention it.
I think this is what I meant:
Or... perhaps The Beach was going to use it but didn't want to reference another film it would be competing with in 2000?
...but can't be sure.
i thought the U2 version went with that film. Forget it. I should pay more attention to U2.
They seemed to have recorded an early version of '60 Miles An Hour' (working title 'The Beach') and Brutal for The Beach, in the end only Brutal was used.
Quite honestly I think the joys of Youtube have put paid to the concept of rarity. The only real obscurities left are things that never made it out in the first place - Mission Impossible, Hooky's Mogwai collaboration (http://www.nme.com/news/mogwai/2692), Gillian's '12 vocal (http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=16234#post16234) etc.
From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
The most obscure officially released song would probably be "Homage". Not even I can be bothered to get it.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit. Many of them don't, and have as much noticable contribution from me on as they do the band.
Probably the cassette only tracks from various magazines in the 80's are the most tricky to find.
Johnny James wrote: Vicious Circle (new order mix) Sunrise (edit) Sunrise (instrumental rough mix) Rocking Carol Ode To Joy Theme (Hommage to MGM)
...there's a few.
Been thinking about this?...
markreed wrote: From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit.
Razormaid are appalling. Take the original track and repeat bits so it loses its cohesion. After Factory there were loads of mixes and most of them had nothing to do with the original. Worst: Lionrock's 1963.
markreed wrote: From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
The most obscure officially released song would probably be "Homage". Not even I can be bothered to get it.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit. Many of them don't, and have as much noticable contribution from me on as they do the band.
Probably the cassette only tracks from various magazines in the 80's are the most tricky to find.
Homage was in their original set (at least it's on the Sept 20, 1980 Boston show I have, which is the earliest US show I can get my hands on, so I'd argue it's not as obscure as others. I'm curious what it was released on, not sure I ever heard a studio version of it.
Let's Go with lyrics never was released, was it? It's an oddity it never saw a release in that it seemed pretty well formed (n fact they played it with lyrics live one or twice).
Michael Monkhouse wrote:
markreed wrote: From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit.
Razormaid are appalling. Take the original track and repeat bits so it loses its cohesion. After Factory there were loads of mixes and most of them had nothing to do with the original. Worst: Lionrock's 1963.
i like some of the razormaid mixes of 'sub-culture' , at least the ones without the soul singer at the end.
they take the album version and extend it with the original sounds.
i like the remix also, but these razormaid versions were pretty cool.
also i think the 586 razormaid wasn't bad either.
later -1
586 was the first Razorshit (see what I did there? Oscar Wilde) mix I heard, on a bootleg double album 'Decadence'. I remember thinking, What a pointless waste of time - I could've done that meself with basic equipment and a free morning. Subsequent mixes haven't changed my opinion. There was a great demo of 'Let's Go' I had on a demo/out-take/rarity cassette - never officially released but easy to find on Youtube now and totally different from the plodding reworking for 1963-95. It's classic NO syndrome: gems like this are lost for decades but wank like 'Pressure' and 'The Other Two And Pooh' get high-profile media pushes.
negative1 wrote:
Michael Monkhouse wrote:
markreed wrote: From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit.
Razormaid are appalling. Take the original track and repeat bits so it loses its cohesion. After Factory there were loads of mixes and most of them had nothing to do with the original. Worst: Lionrock's 1963.
i like some of the razormaid mixes of 'sub-culture' , at least the ones without the soul singer at the end.
they take the album version and extend it with the original sounds.
i like the remix also, but these razormaid versions were pretty cool.
also i think the 586 razormaid wasn't bad either.
later -1
The problem with the Razormaid mixes is that they're essentially cut & paste re-edits (emphasis on the paste) as opposed to actual remixes. What you linked to is their version of the Record Mirror mix with certain bits merely extended/repeated.
To each his own.
Homage was ad far as I know available on the bootleg Western Works Demos. Let's go is only available on do the ostrich bootleg which does appear now and again, great track.
Andy wrote:
negative1 wrote:
Michael Monkhouse wrote:
markreed wrote: From memory, there is a Razormaid remix of "Mr Disco", which is, to be polite, bloody awful.
In terms of remixes? Who cares? If you're *lucky* a modern NO remix has some identifiable part of the original track, even if it is just a drum hit.
Razormaid are appalling. Take the original track and repeat bits so it loses its cohesion. After Factory there were loads of mixes and most of them had nothing to do with the original. Worst: Lionrock's 1963.
i like some of the razormaid mixes of 'sub-culture' , at least the ones without the soul singer at the end.
they take the album version and extend it with the original sounds.
i like the remix also, but these razormaid versions were pretty cool.
also i think the 586 razormaid wasn't bad either.
later -1
The problem with the Razormaid mixes is that they're essentially cut & paste re-edits (emphasis on the paste) as opposed to actual remixes. What you linked to is their version of the Record Mirror mix with certain bits merely extended/repeated.
To each his own.
you've got it the other way around.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-RM-EP/release/198311
A1 –New Order Sub-Culture (Exclusive Remix) 6:57 Track A1 is an edit Of The Sarm West Remix (Razormaid).
http://burningtheground.net/2013/11/new-order-sub-culture-us-12/
this was not just a simple cut and paste remix, the mixes were done using the multitracks and put together that way, along with new effects and sounds that were not apparent at all on the album mix.
there are plenty of other good razormaid mixes out there: simple minds, cure, erasure, kraftwerk, cabaret voltaire, ultravox etc, etc, etc many of them exclusive and not at all like the released mixes. you just have to search for them.
later -1
Johnny James wrote: Razormaid stuff is rubbish and can only be considered semi-official at best.
I remember their "remix" of The Perfect Kiss which merely involved splicing bits of The Kiss of Death onto TPK 12".
Johnny James wrote: Razormaid stuff is rubbish and can only be considered semi-official at best.
sometimes dj mixes are official,
http://www.discogs.com/Electronic-Disappointed/release/37115
again there are plenty of good razormaid mixes if you look.
later -1
negative1 wrote:
Johnny James wrote: Razormaid stuff is rubbish and can only be considered semi-official at best.
sometimes dj mixes are official,
electronic used an 'art of mix' version of gangster on their us release of disappointed: Gangster (FBI Mix) 8:00
http://www.discogs.com/Electronic-Disappointed/release/37115
again there are plenty of good razormaid mixes if you look.
later -1
True.
Surprised that Bernard and Johnny approved that track as, again, it's merely the album mix with the instrumental bits repeated/moved around to extend it. Not a remix. The track it displaced from the UK single, Idiot Country Two was remixed (by the Stereo M.C.'s) and was far superior.
Andy wrote:
Johnny James wrote: Razormaid stuff is rubbish and can only be considered semi-official at best.
I remember their "remix" of The Perfect Kiss which merely involved splicing bits of The Kiss of Death onto TPK 12".
Yup. Shit.
Andy wrote:
True.
Surprised that Bernard and Johnny approved that track as, again, it's merely the album mix with the instrumental bits repeated/moved around to extend it. Not a remix. The track it displaced from the UK single, Idiot Country Two was remixed (by the Stereo M.C.'s) and was far superior.
Secunted. I was a NO nut back then and spent many fun but frustrating hours tracking stuff down. This was probably the last I found and I remember how pointless it was - hardly worth putting out at all, certainly not on an official release. Equally pointless fact: My first gig was 'Lec supported by Stereo MCs.
The Dimitri remix of "Confusion" released with the first issue of Volume in 1990 seems largely overlooked, but it's the timing that I find intriguing: It came out around the same time as the Minimal Records "Confusion" 12". Was this intended for inclusion but left off (maybe for reasons of space)?
I Don't think they're connected - just a coincidence in timing. By another curious coincidence, the Volume mix of Confusion was also on the Remix CD I just mentioned on the previous thread.
...and I commented on that thread before reading this one.
Volume One came out in 1991, though. It appears to contain samples from Confused Beats from the original 1983 12", adding organ, saxophone, an 808, and extra percussion, but I think they actually used the acappella from the Minimal/Confusion '90 release and built a whole new track.
50poundnote wrote: ...and I commented on that thread before reading this one. k.
Fuck! What does it all mean? Con-om-fus-ars-ion used to be my favourite mix, but it's embarassingly dated now. C'mon, kick it! Ladies and gentlemen..
Debaser wrote:
But more importantly, do we know that NO definitely recorded & finished a version of Mission Impossible? Cos if they did, I really want to hear it! ...Oh I've just answered my query on Google by finding the Power of Independent trucking blog from 09 which has the premixed Get Ready. I guess I missed all that (didn't have a PC in '09!). Unless it's available...somewhere else?
Apols for exhuming this old thread again, but does anyone have a copy of the RARs from the abovementioned Independent Trucking blog post? Both Get Ready pre-mix batches?
I missed these at the time and that blogger's since been legally 'persuaded' to remove most of his rips.
I forgot Hour https://youtu.be/IQSprYGYEAo Started a thread about it once but can't find it any more.
depthcharge wrote:
Debaser wrote:
But more importantly, do we know that NO definitely recorded & finished a version of Mission Impossible? Cos if they did, I really want to hear it! ...Oh I've just answered my query on Google by finding the Power of Independent trucking blog from 09 which has the premixed Get Ready. I guess I missed all that (didn't have a PC in '09!). Unless it's available...somewhere else?
Apols for exhuming this old thread again, but does anyone have a copy of the RARs from the abovementioned Independent Trucking blog post? Both Get Ready pre-mix batches?
I missed these at the time and that blogger's since been legally 'persuaded' to remove most of his rips.
might want to download soulseek and look on there, as you can find all those tracks there.
later -1
Yeah, that's the one I mentioned. It's so obscure even the Light never unearthed it and the title might not be genuine.
I know this thread is older than an Italian politician but I've just remembered Freebass had a track 'The Tower' on Myspace circa mid-naughties. Can't find it now but I seem to remember it pissed all over the EP and LP. They also did the Tube theme in the same period, which may've been the same track.
Hmmm. Had no idea about that 'The Tower' track or its use on the (presumably relaunched) 'Tube'.
I've done some digging online to see if I could find it. I couldn't.
Apparently, it was on the Freebass MySpace page, along with another instrumental demo called 'Sugar Daddy'.
Anybody got ripped copies of either track?
Yeah, I found that info but not the actual material. I do remember it was pretty good - nice and rocky after all that pap remixing - and stronger than the official stuff. Mind you, the Freebass album is up there with Stupor Highgays as The Album I Know Least Of All. Maybe the wait was too much, and too much of one thing is bad enough.
