Get Ready Premix, rare Blue Monday, Blue Monday 88

Get Ready is a really good album, well, apart from Rock The Shack. In my opinion the premix was better though, but a little rough and ready. Here it is all spruced up, equalised, slightly clipped at the top end and boosted slightly volume wise so that you can get it really rocking. The original just wouldn't go loud enough on portable devices. The intros have been repaired too, some were a bit flaky. Can't remember the name of the guy who done this, but there's every chance it was the aforementioned Analog Loyalist. Anyway, this version could easily stand up as a final release. It sounds great. Like I said, i'm not dissing the album itself, I just like this version more.

Next up, Blue Monday. Included in this download are the multi-tracks of the original, presented as .wav files so you can have a bit of fun making your own remix. I don't have the smarts (or the patience) for remixing shit, but i'm sure there's a few of you who do. By the way, the vocal track on it's own sounds weird, it's just effects. Also included are some unreleased cuts of Blue Monday 88. One with no samples and two different versions with samples. The one with no samples is my favourite, it's actually pretty damn good. Was never a lover of the 88 remix but this version is a keeper.

Anyway, enjoy.............. and share! Here's the link: https://mega.co.nz/#F!GRwWiLhS!97Pg22WUU6Rprx8DqdK4IQ

I'm gonna spend some time trawling the demos this weekend for the good stuff. Stand by!

I'm one of the few people who live what's called The Low Life

Where on earth did you get the parts for Blue Monday? Do we have to create our own logins to retrieve the files or am I missing something obvious? I've got so many passwords for things now I'm trying not to create any more if I don't have to...

Debaser wrote: Do we have to create our own logins to retrieve the files or am I missing something obvious? I've got so many passwords for things now I'm trying not to create any more if I don't have to...

I'm presuming you just have to click the link and it should take you to where the goodies are stashed. I've no idea if you have to create an account to be able to download the files. Maybe someone who's managed it can let you know.

I'm one of the few people who live what's called The Low Life

Oh I see what it is now (I was tired last night...). The way you have posted the links in your posts Muffy means that when we click on the blue bit in your post it just takes us to mega.co.nz. rather than to your specific page. So then to make it work we have to select the whole address and open it in a new tab.

In order to make it work as a 'clickable' link , there is a specific 'link' option when you are typing out your post (8th icon from the left - an image of a little chain and a globe). Using that makes it work like this: click me.

Thanks for the Blue Monday multi track.Great to have.

What software programme would i require if i wanted to make my own mix at home from the Blue Monday multi tracks?

Bill wrote: What software programme would i require if i wanted to make my own mix at home from the Blue Monday multi tracks?

Krystal or Audacity are both free software for PC. I'd recommend Krystal.its simple.

But even simpler (which is what I'll try) is multitrack app for iPad/iPhone.

is it bro wrote:

Bill wrote: What software programme would i require if i wanted to make my own mix at home from the Blue Monday multi tracks?

Krystal or Audacity are both free software for PC. I'd recommend Krystal.its simple.

But even simpler (which is what I'll try) is multitrack app for iPad/iPhone.

Ok many thanks

The Kristal mixing software is great fun once you get the hang of it.Great entertainment playing about with the BM multitracks with all the countless FX provided on Kristal.

*Blowing the dust off this thread!*

The link, sadly but unsurprisingly, no longer works. Is there a chance of an upload? I've heard some of the Premix tracks, but never all of them. And the "Blue Monday 1988" outtakes sound very interesting.

Thank you!

PM’d.

Fucking Hell, that's NOOL in a nuts-hell innit. Some awesome guy gives us a treasure trove, and all we do is moan we can't get into the fucker. The gratitude round here is overwhelming. In 95 I bought a fairly crappy The Remix CD and there was this bonkers BM 88 DMC mix. It was based on the Beach Buffy 12" but sounded like the mixer was on amphetamines. I never really knew where it came from. https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-The-Remix/release/7706942

DMC was a remix service like Razormaid, Hot Tracks, or Ultimix who did a monthly subscription service exclusive to DJs. They did a great house-y remix of Confusion in 1991 (done by Dimitri From Paris) that appeared on Volume One - the CD-sized book/magazine that came with a free CD.

Yeah, I had that mix too. Never knew it was the same team. Thanks for the heads up, as the two-penissed man said to the prostitute.

50poundnote wrote: DMC was a remix service like Razormaid, Hot Tracks, or Ultimix who did a monthly subscription service exclusive to DJs. They did a great house-y remix of Confusion in 1991 (done by Dimitri From Paris) that appeared on Volume One - the CD-sized book/magazine that came with a free CD.

That's what is so interesting about the timing of the DMC and Minimal Records releases. It suggests the multitracks may have been provided to Ultimix - and perhaps others.

Fractured wrote: That's what is so interesting about the timing of the DMC and Minimal Records releases. It suggests the multitracks may have been provided to Ultimix - and perhaps others.

It was (maybe still is) common at the time for labels to make tapes available to remix services, but most of the services only did re-edits and re-EQ for a club environment.

In the case of DMC's Confusion I'm guessing the tapes came from Arthur Baker, not New Order. Minimal was his label - and remember he released new remixes again in 2002 aimed at the electroclash scene which was taking over New York.

50poundnote wrote:

In the case of DMC's Confusion I'm guessing the tapes came from Arthur Baker, not New Order. Minimal was his label - and remember he released new remixes again in 2002 aimed at the electroclash scene which was taking over New York.

That's a very good point. Do we know why he released different versions in 2002? Has he ever explained it in an interview?

Money.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Money.

Bingo. No one has milked his New Order association more than Arthur Baker...except Peter Hook.

I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Interesting point about the vocals being in different keys.

As far as I can tell, only six of the 2002 "Confusion" remixes have been released on CD:

-Five on the CD single

-The full-length "Koma and Bones" mix on Retro.

Are any of the rest for sale in lossless formats online?

Fractured wrote: Interesting point about the vocals being in different keys.

As far as I can tell, only six of the 2002 "Confusion" remixes have been released on CD:

-Five on the CD single

-The full-length "Koma and Bones" mix on Retro.

Are any of the rest for sale in lossless formats online?

The Koma and Bones mix featured on Retro isn't the full 8:11 version on the 12" - it's edited to 6:01.

Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Thanks for this clarification. Actually, I was misremembering (old age, eh?). I've just noticed on one of my spreadsheets that I had logged that new vocals were recorded for these 2002 mixes, but I've also noted a couple of mixes where it was possible that the '87 vocals were used. I think that was what I was remembering. Apologies. That'll teach me to go into something like this half-cocked.

I've used that excellent Niagara resource before and I think I may have used it when I made a note of the various variants for the 2002 release.

As regards the two mixes that I thought used the '87 vocals, these were:

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (New & Old Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (New Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002CD))

The reason I thought this was the case is that these mixes contain the lines:

"You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

"Searching" was only used in the '87 version, I think. In the original version it was "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more") and this was also repeated in the 2002 version (see the Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) mix).

However, I've just had another relisten. In the '87 version, it's "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" In the 2002 "new vocal" versions, it's "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Listening back now, the 1987 vocal delivery of that line is nowhere near the delivery of the 2002 (new) vocal line. They're quite different and I don't know how I didn't spot this earlier.

So, I'm guessing that either a) Bernard recorded multiple takes in 2002 with different variations of the lyrics or b) he had previously recorded a version with "you're searching" in it, and the remixer dug out this old vocal take.

To sum up:

Original 1983 version: "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more" Substance 1987 version: "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" 2002 new vocal line: "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Opinions? Anyone know what happened here?

I'd also appreciate opinions on the two Electroclash mixes, also. In my opinion, they both use the old vocals as well as the new vocals, not just the extended version on the 12". Specifically on the chorus ("you just can't believe me"). According to Dennis' site, the Edit only uses the new vocals.

Just as an addendum to this, here is what I have logged on my spreadsheet for 2002 variants (WARNING - Trainspotter territory!):

Koma & Bones Vocal Version (Old Vocals) (08:11) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Koma & Bones Version (New Vocals) (03:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Koma & Bones Remix (New Vocals) (08:11) (From '12"x12 New Order Vinyl Campaign' (NSER009)) Koma & Bones Vocal Mix (New Vocals) (06:02) (From 'Retro' box set) Koma & Bones Dub (07:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (Old & New Vocals) (05:20) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (Old & New Vocals) (03:44) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (Old Vocals) (05:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (3)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) (05:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:45) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Arthur Baker 2002 Version (Old Vocals) (06:42) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (Old Vocals) (06:18) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:13) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Arthur Baker 2002 Instrumental (05:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2))

Asto Dazed Mix (Old Vocals) (07:31) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Asto Dazed Mix Edit (Old Vocals) (04:23) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Acapella & Parts (Old Vocals) (06:05) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Acapella (Old Vocals) (01:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Any errors/omissions?

You're out of my League.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: You're out of my League.

Yeah. My "geekdom" is not something I'm proud of. :-(

But it keeps me out of mischief. Mostly.

Don't worry. Some people molest mongeese. Did you know... Of you put all the Spice Girls CDs in a long line on the ground - you get really bored.

perspexorange wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Thanks for this clarification. Actually, I was misremembering (old age, eh?). I've just noticed on one of my spreadsheets that I had logged that new vocals were recorded for these 2002 mixes, but I've also noted a couple of mixes where it was possible that the '87 vocals were used. I think that was what I was remembering. Apologies. That'll teach me to go into something like this half-cocked.

I've used that excellent Niagara resource before and I think I may have used it when I made a note of the various variants for the 2002 release.

As regards the two mixes that I thought used the '87 vocals, these were:

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (New & Old Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (New Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002CD))

The reason I thought this was the case is that these mixes contain the lines:

"You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

"Searching" was only used in the '87 version, I think. In the original version it was "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more") and this was also repeated in the 2002 version (see the Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) mix).

However, I've just had another relisten. In the '87 version, it's "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" In the 2002 "new vocal" versions, it's "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Listening back now, the 1987 vocal delivery of that line is nowhere near the delivery of the 2002 (new) vocal line. They're quite different and I don't know how I didn't spot this earlier.

So, I'm guessing that either a) Bernard recorded multiple takes in 2002 with different variations of the lyrics or b) he had previously recorded a version with "you're searching" in it, and the remixer dug out this old vocal take.

To sum up:

Original 1983 version: "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more" Substance 1987 version: "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" 2002 new vocal line: "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Opinions? Anyone know what happened here?

I'd also appreciate opinions on the two Electroclash mixes, also. In my opinion, they both use the old vocals as well as the new vocals, not just the extended version on the 12". Specifically on the chorus ("you just can't believe me"). According to Dennis' site, the Edit only uses the new vocals.

Just as an addendum to this, here is what I have logged on my spreadsheet for 2002 variants (WARNING - Trainspotter territory!):

Koma & Bones Vocal Version (Old Vocals) (08:11) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Koma & Bones Version (New Vocals) (03:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Koma & Bones Remix (New Vocals) (08:11) (From '12"x12 New Order Vinyl Campaign' (NSER009)) Koma & Bones Vocal Mix (New Vocals) (06:02) (From 'Retro' box set) Koma & Bones Dub (07:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (Old & New Vocals) (05:20) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (Old & New Vocals) (03:44) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (Old Vocals) (05:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (3)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) (05:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:45) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Arthur Baker 2002 Version (Old Vocals) (06:42) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (Old Vocals) (06:18) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:13) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Arthur Baker 2002 Instrumental (05:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2))

Asto Dazed Mix (Old Vocals) (07:31) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Asto Dazed Mix Edit (Old Vocals) (04:23) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Acapella & Parts (Old Vocals) (06:05) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Acapella (Old Vocals) (01:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Any errors/omissions?

Could you please be more specific?

But seriously, Rocket Mick needs to thank you for that useful post.

Andy wrote: Could you please be more specific?

HaHa. Yeah. I do tend to get carried away.

To be fair, most of what I wrote was just copied and pasted from spreadsheets I've got sitting on my computer. Of course, I guess I put in the leg-work at some point in the past; just not today.

I did warn people that I was straying into 'trainspotter territory'.

I'll try to keep it 'light' for the rest of my posts this week.

perspexorange wrote:

Just as an addendum to this, here is what I have logged on my spreadsheet for 2002 variants (WARNING - Trainspotter territory!):

Koma & Bones Vocal Version (Old Vocals) (08:11) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Koma & Bones Version (New Vocals) (03:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Koma & Bones Remix (New Vocals) (08:11) (From '12"x12 New Order Vinyl Campaign' (NSER009)) Koma & Bones Vocal Mix (New Vocals) (06:02) (From 'Retro' box set) Koma & Bones Dub (07:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (Old & New Vocals) (05:20) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (Old & New Vocals) (03:44) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (Old Vocals) (05:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (3)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) (05:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:45) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Arthur Baker 2002 Version (Old Vocals) (06:42) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (Old Vocals) (06:18) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:13) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Arthur Baker 2002 Instrumental (05:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2))

Asto Dazed Mix (Old Vocals) (07:31) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Asto Dazed Mix Edit (Old Vocals) (04:23) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Acapella & Parts (Old Vocals) (06:05) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Acapella (Old Vocals) (01:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Any errors/omissions?

Wonderful work organizing the various versions! It's a pity the acapellas didn't make it onto a CD.

It's hard to believe this was almost 20 years ago ...

perspexorange wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Thanks for this clarification. Actually, I was misremembering (old age, eh?). I've just noticed on one of my spreadsheets that I had logged that new vocals were recorded for these 2002 mixes, but I've also noted a couple of mixes where it was possible that the '87 vocals were used. I think that was what I was remembering. Apologies. That'll teach me to go into something like this half-cocked.

I've used that excellent Niagara resource before and I think I may have used it when I made a note of the various variants for the 2002 release.

As regards the two mixes that I thought used the '87 vocals, these were:

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (New & Old Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (New Vocals) (from (Whacked Records WACKT002CD))

The reason I thought this was the case is that these mixes contain the lines:

"You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

"Searching" was only used in the '87 version, I think. In the original version it was "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more") and this was also repeated in the 2002 version (see the Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) mix).

However, I've just had another relisten. In the '87 version, it's "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" In the 2002 "new vocal" versions, it's "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Listening back now, the 1987 vocal delivery of that line is nowhere near the delivery of the 2002 (new) vocal line. They're quite different and I don't know how I didn't spot this earlier.

So, I'm guessing that either a) Bernard recorded multiple takes in 2002 with different variations of the lyrics or b) he had previously recorded a version with "you're searching" in it, and the remixer dug out this old vocal take.

To sum up:

Original 1983 version: "You're hiding from feelings, you're caring for more" Substance 1987 version: "You're hiding from feelings, searching for more" 2002 new vocal line: "You're hiding from feelings, you're searching for more"

Opinions? Anyone know what happened here?

I'd also appreciate opinions on the two Electroclash mixes, also. In my opinion, they both use the old vocals as well as the new vocals, not just the extended version on the 12". Specifically on the chorus ("you just can't believe me"). According to Dennis' site, the Edit only uses the new vocals.

Just as an addendum to this, here is what I have logged on my spreadsheet for 2002 variants (WARNING - Trainspotter territory!):

Koma & Bones Vocal Version (Old Vocals) (08:11) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Koma & Bones Version (New Vocals) (03:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Koma & Bones Remix (New Vocals) (08:11) (From '12"x12 New Order Vinyl Campaign' (NSER009)) Koma & Bones Vocal Mix (New Vocals) (06:02) (From 'Retro' box set) Koma & Bones Dub (07:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix (Old & New Vocals) (05:20) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Larry Tee's Electroclash Mix Edit (Old & New Vocals) (03:44) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (Old Vocals) (05:50) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (3)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version (New Vocals) (05:54) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Outputs Nu-Rocktro Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:45) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Arthur Baker 2002 Version (Old Vocals) (06:42) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (Old Vocals) (06:18) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Arthur Baker 2002 Version Edit (New Vocals) (03:13) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS) Arthur Baker 2002 Instrumental (05:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (2))

Asto Dazed Mix (Old Vocals) (07:31) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (2)) Asto Dazed Mix Edit (Old Vocals) (04:23) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' CDS)

Acapella & Parts (Old Vocals) (06:05) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' 12" (1)) Acapella (Old Vocals) (01:47) (From 'Confusion Remixes '02' Promo 12" (1))

Any errors/omissions?

yeah, that matches up with my list. i think i'm missing a few from my list.

later -1

https://www.nme.com/news/music/new-order-133-1384295

I was just reading the NME review of Get Ready at a playback event for the record and it included Player in the league and Sabotage at the listening party but the songs were not on the album but B sides.

Linus Solanki wrote: https://www.nme.com/news/music/new-order-133-1384295

I was just reading the NME review of Get Ready at a playback event for the record and it included Player in the league and Sabotage at the listening party but the songs were not on the album but B sides.

You have to wonder if the comment that "Player" is "The only embarrassing moment on the record" led to its removal. It is a great tune, but it doesn't really have a place in the context of the album, which in its final state flows perfectly from start to finish. Although I still don't understand why they included that weird, dissonant background noise in the middle of "Rock the Shack" ...

A friend who worked at Billboard gave me his pre-release copy watermarked with his name. I was disappointed when the album was finally released and Player in The League wasn't on it, and Rock The Shack was.

Get Ready is my least favorite of their studio albums.

NotAMod wrote: Player (or "Field" as it was known on some promos) was slightly hamstrung by the "topical" lyrics about football. On the other hand, the tune itself is a brilliant and blends rock/synths effortlessly. Sabotage definitely should have made it onto the final album running order, in my opinion. Musically light years ahead of Rock The Shack and a little bit downtempo/adventurous with this gorgeous acoustic guitar and synth drone towards the end. One of the most interesting tracks from the Get Ready sessions and showed the experimental side of that era as opposed to the loud guitars we normally associate. It's just a crying shame it was relegated to the 60 MPH single and as a result not many people got to hear it.

There is a great album somewhere in Get Ready but I don't think the finalised running order nailed it. Also having had the premix versions for quite a while before the release I remember being disappointed at the missing tracks and how some of the songs had the life edited out of them slightly. The curse of Pro Tools, I guess. Close Range in particular didn't come out of it that well but they reordered the structure slightly when playing live and for the "In Session" version. Turn My Way should have been done without Corgan and with the dreamy elements of the mix turned up, Bernard's vocal was good enough by itself really.

If they continue the box-sets beyond the Factory years I wonder if Get Ready will receive that treatment? Now there's a thought.

Speaking of premixes, has anyone here actually every listened to the (urban legend-ish) premix of Republic? Or WFTSC for that matter?

daftpunk wrote:

NotAMod wrote: Player (or "Field" as it was known on some promos) was slightly hamstrung by the "topical" lyrics about football. On the other hand, the tune itself is a brilliant and blends rock/synths effortlessly. Sabotage definitely should have made it onto the final album running order, in my opinion. Musically light years ahead of Rock The Shack and a little bit downtempo/adventurous with this gorgeous acoustic guitar and synth drone towards the end. One of the most interesting tracks from the Get Ready sessions and showed the experimental side of that era as opposed to the loud guitars we normally associate. It's just a crying shame it was relegated to the 60 MPH single and as a result not many people got to hear it.

There is a great album somewhere in Get Ready but I don't think the finalised running order nailed it. Also having had the premix versions for quite a while before the release I remember being disappointed at the missing tracks and how some of the songs had the life edited out of them slightly. The curse of Pro Tools, I guess. Close Range in particular didn't come out of it that well but they reordered the structure slightly when playing live and for the "In Session" version. Turn My Way should have been done without Corgan and with the dreamy elements of the mix turned up, Bernard's vocal was good enough by itself really.

If they continue the box-sets beyond the Factory years I wonder if Get Ready will receive that treatment? Now there's a thought.

Speaking of premixes, has anyone here actually every listened to the (urban legend-ish) premix of Republic? Or WFTSC for that matter?

You mean the FACT300 Republic one? There's a lot of myth involved there. Having had access to various archives the nearest to that I've found is a cassette with all the band demos compiled (at least 10 from memory). It wasn't labelled as FACT300, just had handwritten track names on a standard cassette inlay. Most are very short pieces/ideas, the only one that's quite advanced is Regret (and there are two versions of it, each quite different).

Related to this (as I looked to it for FACT300 info), what happened to factoryrecords.info discography? Is that preserved anywhere under another URL? It seems to have gone.

Last year, a friend on Twitter suggested we redo the tracklistings to their post Factory LP's in that early era format: 8 tracks, just like Movement/PCL/Low-Life. I don't remember b-sides and non-LP singles being permitted (the idea was to trim the fat), but it brought up some interesting running orders. I recall someone ending Get Ready with Vicious Streak, which I thought was bizarre. Also, I struggled improving Republic, even after lopping off the requisite tracks. But I was insistent on not having Regret as the lead track (have always disliked the "It's all downhill from here" vibe).

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: You're out of my League.

Yeah. My "geekdom" is not something I'm proud of. :-(

But it keeps me out of mischief. Mostly.

Ringo Starr's Postcards From Paradise is full of references to Beatle lyrics. If you spot them all - you need a fucking hobby. I remember that NME preview. Player / Field has nice instrumentation, particularly towards the end, but some mind-blowingly awful lyrics. Republic had strong lyrics and weak music - this period was the opposite. Republic is also a good example of how important ordering is. Like my mother, it's a bumpy ride, but at least it starts and ends well. Imagine if they kicked off with Liar and climaxed on the Chemical fade-out. Actually, don't. As with RTP and Sirens, there's probably a tough ten-tracker in there struggling to get out, but I can't be arsed.

Johnny James wrote:

daftpunk wrote:

NotAMod wrote: Player (or "Field" as it was known on some promos) was slightly hamstrung by the "topical" lyrics about football. On the other hand, the tune itself is a brilliant and blends rock/synths effortlessly. Sabotage definitely should have made it onto the final album running order, in my opinion. Musically light years ahead of Rock The Shack and a little bit downtempo/adventurous with this gorgeous acoustic guitar and synth drone towards the end. One of the most interesting tracks from the Get Ready sessions and showed the experimental side of that era as opposed to the loud guitars we normally associate. It's just a crying shame it was relegated to the 60 MPH single and as a result not many people got to hear it.

There is a great album somewhere in Get Ready but I don't think the finalised running order nailed it. Also having had the premix versions for quite a while before the release I remember being disappointed at the missing tracks and how some of the songs had the life edited out of them slightly. The curse of Pro Tools, I guess. Close Range in particular didn't come out of it that well but they reordered the structure slightly when playing live and for the "In Session" version. Turn My Way should have been done without Corgan and with the dreamy elements of the mix turned up, Bernard's vocal was good enough by itself really.

If they continue the box-sets beyond the Factory years I wonder if Get Ready will receive that treatment? Now there's a thought.

Speaking of premixes, has anyone here actually every listened to the (urban legend-ish) premix of Republic? Or WFTSC for that matter?

You mean the FACT300 Republic one? There's a lot of myth involved there. Having had access to various archives the nearest to that I've found is a cassette with all the band demos compiled (at least 10 from memory). It wasn't labelled as FACT300, just had handwritten track names on a standard cassette inlay. Most are very short pieces/ideas, the only one that's quite advanced is Regret (and there are two versions of it, each quite different).

Related to this (as I looked to it for FACT300 info), what happened to factoryrecords.info discography? Is that preserved anywhere under another URL? It seems to have gone.

Yes, that's exactly the one - FACT300! Given that I've never seen anything concrete about it show up after 15+ years of being on here (or eBay for that matter), I always doubted its existence. Perhaps the myth came about from some people's hopes that there just maybe, might be a more guitar-ish version of the tracks somewhere, although I'm in the minority who think it's an absolutely fantastic album as-is, one of my favorites for sure.

Hopefully some or all of those demos on the cassette you found will find their way on a bonus CD someday!! =D (that and WFTSC ones)

Yeah, I got the impression from interviews Republic started off as the usual guitar / synth hybrid with Regret, Special and Everywank Everybare, but then Bernard and Hague took over. I can't offer any insider knowledge, but Hooky and Steve comments gave me the idea. PS https://factoryrecords.org/factory-records/fact-300-new-order-untitled.php It's also mentioned on Wikipedia, so it must be true.

50poundnote wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Money.

Bingo. No one has milked his New Order association more than Arthur Baker...except Peter Hook.

I'd say Hooky milks JD even more.

Johnny James wrote:

You mean the FACT300 Republic one? There's a lot of myth involved there. Having had access to various archives the nearest to that I've found is a cassette with all the band demos compiled (at least 10 from memory). It wasn't labelled as FACT300, just had handwritten track names on a standard cassette inlay. Most are very short pieces/ideas, the only one that's quite advanced is Regret (and there are two versions of it, each quite different).

Related to this (as I looked to it for FACT300 info), what happened to factoryrecords.info discography? Is that preserved anywhere under another URL? It seems to have gone.

The only reference I've seen online regarding FACT300 is from https://factoryrecords.org/factory-records/fact-300-new-order-untitled.php

"[Contents TBD] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. Notes: They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London Records."

Saville actually turned the track listing (Showing titles like "Seagull," "Shedded," and "Ick One") into a piece of art called "Working Title": https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w\_1600,h\_1600,c\_limit,f\_auto,fl\_lossy,q\_auto/artlogicstorage/paulstolper/images/view/e59cf45d1a6e0951ef99ea5f74b2c14bd4c05eb9/paulstolper-peter-saville-working-title-2004.jpg ... would love to see that reproduced in the Republic box set's book.

However I believe the track listing may show one or two more songs than were on the demo tape?

P.S. Speaking of unreleased Factory goodies, I'm still hoping for this: https://factoryrecords.org/factory-records/fac-237-new-order-here-are-old-men.php

Fractured wrote:

Johnny James wrote:

You mean the FACT300 Republic one? There's a lot of myth involved there. Having had access to various archives the nearest to that I've found is a cassette with all the band demos compiled (at least 10 from memory). It wasn't labelled as FACT300, just had handwritten track names on a standard cassette inlay. Most are very short pieces/ideas, the only one that's quite advanced is Regret (and there are two versions of it, each quite different).

Related to this (as I looked to it for FACT300 info), what happened to factoryrecords.info discography? Is that preserved anywhere under another URL? It seems to have gone.

The only reference I've seen online regarding FACT300 is from https://factoryrecords.org/factory-records/fact-300-new-order-untitled.php

"[Contents TBD] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. Notes: They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London Records."

Saville actually turned the track listing (Showing titles like "Seagull," "Shedded," and "Ick One") into a piece of art called "Working Title": https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w\_1600,h\_1600,c\_limit,f\_auto,fl\_lossy,q\_auto/artlogicstorage/paulstolper/images/view/e59cf45d1a6e0951ef99ea5f74b2c14bd4c05eb9/paulstolper-peter-saville-working-title-2004.jpg ... would love to see that reproduced in the Republic box set's book.

However I believe the track listing may show one or two more songs than were on the demo tape?

P.S. Speaking of unreleased Factory goodies, I'm still hoping for this: https://factoryrecords.org/factory-records/fac-237-new-order-here-are-old-men.php

Working Title does match the tracklist of that cassette I saw, except for the last two 'White Diamond' and 'Moderation?', which weren't on it.

Any ideas what Here Are The Old Men was supposed to have on it?

I think Here Are... was just a gag at the time of the JD VHS. They're famous for their whacky sense of humour. I mentioned the cassette link too, and ultimately, who cares? Republic is shit.

Johnny James wrote:

Working Title does match the tracklist of that cassette I saw, except for the last two 'White Diamond' and 'Moderation?', which weren't on it.

So the tape you’ve seen contained 15 tracks? Colour me intrigued.
11 tracks on ‘Republic’ plus ‘Vicious Circle’. That means that there are three tracks that were demoed that we don’t know about.

I’d never seen that ‘Working Title’ piece before, or heard of any of those names.

I wonder if we can guess which ones tie up to which tracks.

‘Regret’, ‘Spooky One’ and ‘Chemical 1’ seem obvious. ‘Heavy Oboe One’ I’m guessing is ‘Times Change’. ‘Gillian’s 12 String’ might be ‘Everyone Everywhere’ (do any musicians think it sounds like this song contains 12 string guitar?). The others, I’m drawing a blank on.

Johnny James wrote:

Any ideas what Here Are The Old Men was supposed to have on it?

Based on what ‘HATYM’ was (various live performances), I’m going to guess something similar but featuring New Order rather than Joy Division. As to which gigs, no idea.

I guess it’s possible it may have included TV performances. Based on the close FAC number to ‘Substance 1989’ (237 compared to 225) I guess we can eliminate that it, like ‘Substance’ was a compilation of promo videos.

Based on the little pictures of guitars on the ‘Working Titles’ piece, I guess it’s safe to assume that ’Seagull’ was another guitar based song. ‘Ruined In A Day’ perhaps?

Wonder what the ‘ticks’ mean?

As I said, I think HATOM was just a Factory quip. Given that they couldn't organise a day in advance, a decade seems a long shot. They probably didn't even know they'd last that long. I'd never seen that Savile image and in the words of Mrs Thatcher, fuck me. Your guess is as bad as mine, but maybe... Regret - duh Heavy Oboe One - Times Change Identify - Liar Backwards - World Seagull - Ruined in a Day Shedded - Special Big Chor DJ - Times Change Gillian's G String - Everyone Everywhere Chemical One - duh Desperate - Young Offender Shoot to Kill - World Ick one - Vicious Menstrual cycle (according to Denis Rimmer's review) Spooky One - duh 16th of 19th - maybe a musical reference like 586, so an instrumental (Avalanche, VC)
Techno - Spooky (check out https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/16272/NEW\_ORDER\_PRESS\_ARTICLE\_1993 - 13-track album, with a track listing that includes Techno 2 but not Spooky) White Diamond - Avalanche Moderation - Liar

More fun with https://imgur.com/zWAQY0J and https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact.php?&aid=1864&bid=693 - plus https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html

The two 'unmastered' 'WFTSC' LPs have a few working titles too:

'Lordsy' (Who's Joe?) 'Road To Ruin' (Hey Now What You Doing; they should've stuck with the original title, IMO) 'Pop 1' (Morning, Night & Day) 'Minidisc 2' (Dracula's Castle) 'Jet' (Jetstream) 'Fast Synth' (Guilt Is A Useless Emotion)

perspexorange wrote: 'Pop 1' (Morning, Night & Day)

I've always thought that was a very underrated song. It's one of my favorites on the album.

Mucous Complete had some wank in progess names as well http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2927#post18065

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: 'Pop 1' (Morning, Night & Day)

I've always thought that was a very underrated song. It's one of my favorites on the album.

I've just been listening to WFTSC and I feel much the same about 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion'. Such a great pop song!

From what I understand ...

"Big Chord" = "Ruined in a Day"

"Techno One" = "World"

"Chemical" = "Special" (!)

I don't know that content for "Here Are the Old Men" was ever decided, but that title needs to be used! (Although first we need an official DVD/BluRay release of "Here Are the Young Men.")

Fractured wrote:

"Chemical" = "Special" (!)

This is certainly possible, as this has happened once or twice before (swapping of titles between songs). 'Incubation' / 'A Means To An End' springs to mind as one that apparently swapped names at some point.

Oh, and wasn't 'Primitive Notion' once called 'Run Wild'?

https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Two working titles from WFTSC/Lost Sirens were 'Scott Walker' and 'Madonna'. I can't remember which tracks they were though, which one has a Scott Walker sample? I think Madonna might have been Hellbent.

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J.

Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all.

MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique.

Johnny James wrote:

Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J.

Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all.

MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique.

Thanks for all these, Johnny. Do any of the others for 'Republic' line up with actual finished tracks?

Johnny James wrote: Two working titles from WFTSC/Lost Sirens were 'Scott Walker' and 'Madonna'. I can't remember which tracks they were though, which one has a Scott Walker sample? I think Madonna might have been Hellbent.

According to this page, 'Recoil' samples from 'The Seventh Seal' by Scott Walker.

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=7001#post7001

Never knew that (but then I don't know a lot of Scott Walker).

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Hey mate, my post was pure speculation, except Ick, which I read on Denis' site. I wouldn't put it out as true, in particular, ahem, Gillian's G String. Yeah, I remember 'Madonna', but not which one - maybe Hellbent. Hooky used the name Aleph (STYT) in an interview about bringing back old tracks for the Sirens tour. There was also Atmosphere / Chance and Decades / Cross of Iron. Guts might've been an advance on one of their first songs, Gutz for Garterz. Revenge and Monaco went through a few title changes too: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=29719#post29719

Another, it appears Chosen Time was tentatively titled 'Flow' briefly, see the master tape photographed in the Movement book.

The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

I thought Madonna was Sugarcane.

Restless was Sad Chicken (the opening synth riff was likened to clucking).

No, Jcp7. Madonna is misogynistic, soft porn bullshit that puts the feminist movement back 8632 years and was instrumental in creating the ridiculous and ultimately dangerous myth that a woman who degrades her body is not a victim or a prostitute but a new form of self-empowerment. Not Sugarcane.

Johnny James wrote:

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J.

Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all.

MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique.

Please Johnny, help ensure these demos are on one of the Republic box set bonus discs, instead of more of the same recycled mixes that are already on compilations, Retro, Rest Of, the original CD single releases, etc.! =)

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were:

Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic)

Yeah... Wah-Wah was from the Hassie gig.

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were:

Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic)

Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0

Hmmm. Didn't know this. Ta for info.

'Bells' could be 'Some Distant Memory' at a guess. I absolutely LOVE that track. Gorgeous.

I thought the same. I wasn't gonna buy the 'Lec double pack when I spotted it at the store but I'm chuffed I finally did. So great to revisit THAT album and some mixes and Bsides I haven't spun for decades. I LOVED the first Electronic bout.

Yep! The first Electronic LP has a special place in my heart. Reminds me of good times.

I think it's probably a little dated in parts, but I don't care. It's still great.

The only track I never really liked at the time was 'Feel Every Beat', but it's grown on me over the years.

Also, those B-Sides were just great; Lucky Bag, Free Will, Second To None, Lean To The Inside.

I wonder what that 'Tuesday' track was. The only songs unaccounted for were the aforementioned b-sides. Might've been one of them.

Fuck knows. I'd imagine the title refers to its recording rather than the actual content. If you're right, it could be Free Will cos they played that live at Shitty in the Park. There used to be an awesome Electronic fansite FEB but it's disappeared. Nope, I lurved Feel Every Beat and I'm amazed it barely scraped the Top 40. Getting Away With Shit was always the weakest link for me, and I far prefer the album without it. But I'm not sure Tony Wilson did, cos it lead to Brits buying the non-Factory imports that did include it... And let's be honest, Disappointed is a PSB track. I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing.

Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool.

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing.

Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool.

There was a crazy vinyl reissue that ended the first side on GAWI and started the second on Gangster and then Soviet, which seriously disrupts the rhythm. Is Bernard really playing keyboards on that TOTP clip? Has fuck all to do with the track. I saw the Wembley gig with Disappointed and if I remember rightly, Chris and Bernard just sort of stood there.

Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Revisiting the older subject matter in this thread, whilst shuffling my music library this week, I actually found a 'Confusion' remix that does use the 1987 re-recording vocals: the Pump Panel Floatation mix - it was on the flip side of Pump Panel's Reconstruction Mix and its accompanying (now very hard to find and expensive) CD single. This was the single released under the remixer's artist name of Pump Panel, rather than New Order (similar to The Advent's 'Everything's Gone Green' remixes). I actually prefer the Floatation Mix to the more commonly known Reconstruction Remix, as it does at least feature Barney's vocals - I find the Reconstruction Mix too long and dull.

Yeah, Pump Panel is a clichéd assault and sadly typical of what London were doing In The Name Of Cash back then. Cool though cos I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Hey mate, my post was pure speculation, except Ick, which I read on Denis' site. I wouldn't put it out as true, in particular, ahem, Gillian's G String. Yeah, I remember 'Madonna', but not which one - maybe Hellbent. Hooky used the name Aleph (STYT) in an interview about bringing back old tracks for the Sirens tour. There was also Atmosphere / Chance and Decades / Cross of Iron. Guts might've been an advance on one of their first songs, Gutz for Garterz. Revenge and Monaco went through a few title changes too: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=29719#post29719

Possibly not helpful at all reMadonna, but the producer of GIAUE had produced Madonna's Ray of Light - and they share the same sound (a boom/explosion effect)

Mr Discography wrote:

Revisiting the older subject matter in this thread, whilst shuffling my music library this week, I actually found a 'Confusion' remix that does use the 1987 re-recording vocals: the Pump Panel Floatation mix - it was on the flip side of Pump Panel's Reconstruction Mix and its accompanying (now very hard to find and expensive) CD single. This was the single released under the remixer's artist name of Pump Panel, rather than New Order (similar to The Advent's 'Everything's Gone Green' remixes). I actually prefer the Floatation Mix to the more commonly known Reconstruction Remix, as it does at least feature Barney's vocals - I find the Reconstruction Mix too long and dull.

Yeah I posted this in "what are you listening to now" about a year or so ago. It was the first time I had heard it, as I was previously only familiar with PP's Reconstruction on Rest Of...

Floatation mix

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wasn't gonna buy the 'Lec double pack when I spotted it at the store but I'm chuffed I finally did. So great to revisit THAT album and some mixes and Bsides I haven't spun for decades. I LOVED the first Electronic bout.

I've had both CDs on heavy rotation ever since and boy, do they kick some serious tush. With the triple whammy of Substance, Technique and Electronic, I remember why I used to be so into them. Almost as good as the Spice Girls... But nothing ever lasts forever. And it's the same for you, I'm sure.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

In fact I hardly ever played it (because it is shit) so it might be worth something. any estimates?

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

In fact I hardly ever played it (because it is shit) so it might be worth something. any estimates?

Did you try to have a look on this here internet?

I've heard about the Internet. Could be big. It's a bit like Victoria Beckham selling her snot. Slim pickings. Fucking Hell, 400 Euro for a CD SINGLE that came out years ago and even then it was crap? That's collectionists for you. Thanks for the heads up, as the two-dicked man said to my mother. 17.25 - 17.41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAkcx7AnWM0&list=PLRRxgaLFf4o6cnWoYhQ06pN6hU5yboVAB

ok, does anyone know if these dubs are different, or just renamed:

https://www.discogs.com/release/652412-The-Pump-Panel-Confusion-Dub-Remover-Dub

A Confusion Dub B Remover Dub

later -1