Get Ready Premix, rare Blue Monday, Blue Monday 88

Another, it appears Chosen Time was tentatively titled 'Flow' briefly, see the master tape photographed in the Movement book.

The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

I thought Madonna was Sugarcane.

Restless was Sad Chicken (the opening synth riff was likened to clucking).

No, Jcp7. Madonna is misogynistic, soft porn bullshit that puts the feminist movement back 8632 years and was instrumental in creating the ridiculous and ultimately dangerous myth that a woman who degrades her body is not a victim or a prostitute but a new form of self-empowerment. Not Sugarcane.

Johnny James wrote:

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Ruined is Big Chord, that's a tick at the end not a J.

Edit: There are a few duplications, you've also got it listed lower down. A few of those Republic demos are ideas that were never used, they don't align to finished tracks at all.

MT One is definitely what eventually turned into MTO, and it'll be because of the Roland MT32, which was used extensively on Technique.

Please Johnny, help ensure these demos are on one of the Republic box set bonus discs, instead of more of the same recycled mixes that are already on compilations, Retro, Rest Of, the original CD single releases, etc.! =)

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were:

Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic)

Yeah... Wah-Wah was from the Hassie gig.

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The first Electronic bout started with early titles too: Donald (named after the drummer), Wah-Wah (Reality), Big House (Gangster or Idiot Cunty). And New One, but that doesn't really count.

Yeah, the ones that were performed in LA in 1990 with different titles were:

Gangster (Big House) Reality (Sun) Tighten Up (Donald) Soviet (Cinematic)

Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Just reading the rerelease liner notes and Johnny also mentions 'Tuesday' and 'Bells' (cos it had Bells on it'). 17.57 - 18.07 https://youtu.be/XAkcx7AnWM0

Hmmm. Didn't know this. Ta for info.

'Bells' could be 'Some Distant Memory' at a guess. I absolutely LOVE that track. Gorgeous.

I thought the same. I wasn't gonna buy the 'Lec double pack when I spotted it at the store but I'm chuffed I finally did. So great to revisit THAT album and some mixes and Bsides I haven't spun for decades. I LOVED the first Electronic bout.

Yep! The first Electronic LP has a special place in my heart. Reminds me of good times.

I think it's probably a little dated in parts, but I don't care. It's still great.

The only track I never really liked at the time was 'Feel Every Beat', but it's grown on me over the years.

Also, those B-Sides were just great; Lucky Bag, Free Will, Second To None, Lean To The Inside.

I wonder what that 'Tuesday' track was. The only songs unaccounted for were the aforementioned b-sides. Might've been one of them.

Fuck knows. I'd imagine the title refers to its recording rather than the actual content. If you're right, it could be Free Will cos they played that live at Shitty in the Park. There used to be an awesome Electronic fansite FEB but it's disappeared. Nope, I lurved Feel Every Beat and I'm amazed it barely scraped the Top 40. Getting Away With Shit was always the weakest link for me, and I far prefer the album without it. But I'm not sure Tony Wilson did, cos it lead to Brits buying the non-Factory imports that did include it... And let's be honest, Disappointed is a PSB track. I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing.

Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool.

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wonder if there's a bootleg of the January 91 Hassie debut...

Not as far as I know, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

I love Getting Away With It. It’s my favourite track by them. However, I prefer the LP without it, as I’m used to the standard track listing.

Disappointed was good but, yes, more PSBs than Electronic. I will say that I thought the TOTP performance of it, with Bernard playing keyboards, was immensely cool.

There was a crazy vinyl reissue that ended the first side on GAWI and started the second on Gangster and then Soviet, which seriously disrupts the rhythm. Is Bernard really playing keyboards on that TOTP clip? Has fuck all to do with the track. I saw the Wembley gig with Disappointed and if I remember rightly, Chris and Bernard just sort of stood there.

Mr Discography wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I have to say, I really liked the 2002 remixes. They were mostly great!

I've never been 100% sure on whether Bernard recorded any new vocals for the song around the time. There were mixes that used the original '83 vocals, mixes that used the '87 vocals and ones that combined the two. But I also think that there were some some mixes where it sounded like there were even newer vocals on them. I can't remember which ones now.

If anyone knows...

Many of the 2002 mixes used Bernard's original 1983 vocals. On the CD single and Retro edits of the Koma & Bones mix, newly recorded vocals were added by Bernard. The Koma & Bones remix included in the 12 x 12 set of twelve inch remixes released to support the 'Singles' compilation also added the new vocal.

On the CD single, all but the 'Asto Dazed' edit featured the newly recorded vocals. All the pre-release promo 12 inches features the original vocals, but the Larry Tees and Outputs mixes had the new vocals added on the final 12 inch releases.

All the different releases and versions and which vocal they feature are listed at https://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/confusion2k2.html

The 1987 vocal was not used in any of the 2002 remixes. In fact, the 1987 'Confusion' is in a completely different key (A flat minor, as opposed to the original's D minor).

I've read a few times Barney didn't like his original 1983 vocal - apparently he had a cold the day they were recorded - so guess he intervened and provided a new vocal track in time for the official release..? Glad he did too, as his original '83 vocals always were pretty ropey.

Revisiting the older subject matter in this thread, whilst shuffling my music library this week, I actually found a 'Confusion' remix that does use the 1987 re-recording vocals: the Pump Panel Floatation mix - it was on the flip side of Pump Panel's Reconstruction Mix and its accompanying (now very hard to find and expensive) CD single. This was the single released under the remixer's artist name of Pump Panel, rather than New Order (similar to The Advent's 'Everything's Gone Green' remixes). I actually prefer the Floatation Mix to the more commonly known Reconstruction Remix, as it does at least feature Barney's vocals - I find the Reconstruction Mix too long and dull.

Yeah, Pump Panel is a clichéd assault and sadly typical of what London were doing In The Name Of Cash back then. Cool though cos I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

thehappyone wrote: https://www.new-order.net/no/facs/workingtitles.html updated, thanks everyone.

Hey mate, my post was pure speculation, except Ick, which I read on Denis' site. I wouldn't put it out as true, in particular, ahem, Gillian's G String. Yeah, I remember 'Madonna', but not which one - maybe Hellbent. Hooky used the name Aleph (STYT) in an interview about bringing back old tracks for the Sirens tour. There was also Atmosphere / Chance and Decades / Cross of Iron. Guts might've been an advance on one of their first songs, Gutz for Garterz. Revenge and Monaco went through a few title changes too: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=29719#post29719

Possibly not helpful at all reMadonna, but the producer of GIAUE had produced Madonna's Ray of Light - and they share the same sound (a boom/explosion effect)

Mr Discography wrote:

Revisiting the older subject matter in this thread, whilst shuffling my music library this week, I actually found a 'Confusion' remix that does use the 1987 re-recording vocals: the Pump Panel Floatation mix - it was on the flip side of Pump Panel's Reconstruction Mix and its accompanying (now very hard to find and expensive) CD single. This was the single released under the remixer's artist name of Pump Panel, rather than New Order (similar to The Advent's 'Everything's Gone Green' remixes). I actually prefer the Floatation Mix to the more commonly known Reconstruction Remix, as it does at least feature Barney's vocals - I find the Reconstruction Mix too long and dull.

Yeah I posted this in "what are you listening to now" about a year or so ago. It was the first time I had heard it, as I was previously only familiar with PP's Reconstruction on Rest Of...

Floatation mix

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I wasn't gonna buy the 'Lec double pack when I spotted it at the store but I'm chuffed I finally did. So great to revisit THAT album and some mixes and Bsides I haven't spun for decades. I LOVED the first Electronic bout.

I've had both CDs on heavy rotation ever since and boy, do they kick some serious tush. With the triple whammy of Substance, Technique and Electronic, I remember why I used to be so into them. Almost as good as the Spice Girls... But nothing ever lasts forever. And it's the same for you, I'm sure.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

In fact I hardly ever played it (because it is shit) so it might be worth something. any estimates?

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I bought that single so hopefully my folks ain't thrown it out.

In fact I hardly ever played it (because it is shit) so it might be worth something. any estimates?

Did you try to have a look on this here internet?

I've heard about the Internet. Could be big. It's a bit like Victoria Beckham selling her snot. Slim pickings. Fucking Hell, 400 Euro for a CD SINGLE that came out years ago and even then it was crap? That's collectionists for you. Thanks for the heads up, as the two-dicked man said to my mother. 17.25 - 17.41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAkcx7AnWM0&list=PLRRxgaLFf4o6cnWoYhQ06pN6hU5yboVAB

ok, does anyone know if these dubs are different, or just renamed:

https://www.discogs.com/release/652412-The-Pump-Panel-Confusion-Dub-Remover-Dub

A Confusion Dub B Remover Dub

later -1