Bernards Rs

noticed on some of the you tube clips from recent live perfromances that bernard was singing with a more americanised voice. especialy the R on thunder, disappointed to her it on the record to. I hope for some classic bernard vocals on some of the tracks, the first two are a little off. but please no more amercianisation

Perhaps Bernard "Americanizing" his R's is just his way of saying thanks to the nation that gave the world Rock and Roll, Jazz, the Blues, Punk Rock, Soul, R & B, Modern Pop music, House music, and Detroit Techno.

I actually think it's unusual that he has started using a harder "R" pronunciation myself. But people's voices change over time. And really, there are better things to complain about.

I think our American friend is drunk, deluded or both.

Odd given the board.

Papabendi wrote: I think our American friend is drunk, deluded or both.

Odd given the board.

how is ZAS drunk or deluded. it is pretty simple to prove each of his points with historical fact. including how to spell 'Americanized'

also, sometimes, closing a word with the r sound just works better with music. just like sometimes it is better to have an open vowel sound (see Mark E Smith) depending on the musical approach

not sure why anyone really cares, unless maybe they are insecure and live on an island that is in decline

tarbox23 wrote:

Papabendi wrote: I think our American friend is drunk, deluded or both.

Odd given the board.

how is ZAS drunk or deluded. it is pretty simple to prove each of his points with historical fact. including how to spell 'Americanized'

also, sometimes, closing a word with the r sound just works better with music. just like sometimes it is better to have an open vowel sound (see Mark E Smith) depending on the musical approach

not sure why anyone really cares, unless maybe they are insecure and live on an island that is in decline

Im not anti American, love many of them and there songs, many of my favourite artists have strong american accents, just dont like it on bernards vocals, i like the chilled cant be asked manc twang from the first electronic album

pmep100 wrote:

tarbox23 wrote:

Papabendi wrote: I think our American friend is drunk, deluded or both.

Odd given the board.

how is ZAS drunk or deluded. it is pretty simple to prove each of his points with historical fact. including how to spell 'Americanized'

also, sometimes, closing a word with the r sound just works better with music. just like sometimes it is better to have an open vowel sound (see Mark E Smith) depending on the musical approach

not sure why anyone really cares, unless maybe they are insecure and live on an island that is in decline

Im not anti American, love many of them and there songs, many of my favourite artists have strong american accents, just dont like it on bernards vocals, i like the chilled cant be asked manc twang from the first electronic album

I was just giving you a hard time, haha.

I generally prefer Bernard's British pronunciation. But, you know, for whatever reason he's decided to use harder R's, it's his voice, his choice. Haha.

ZASmusic wrote: Perhaps Bernard "Americanizing" his R's is just his way of saying thanks to the nation that gave the world Rock and Roll, Jazz, the Blues, Punk Rock, Soul, R & B, Modern Pop music, House music, and Detroit Techno.

I actually think it's unusual that he has started using a harder "R" pronunciation myself. But people's voices change over time. And really, there are better things to complain about.

That's strange, Yanks are usually so reticent about blowing their own proverbial trumpet. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Whilst it's almost impossible to deny your country's undoubted influence on modern music, it's important to understand that nothing is created in isolation and the likes of the 'Belleville Three' who were influential in creating Detroit Techno were in turn influenced by the likes of NO, Kraftwerk etc. Exactly the same scenario with the Beatles, influenced by US music that most white Americans didn't know existed.

We may have all been dancing to records in 1988 at Fac 51 that were crafted across the pond in NYC, Detroit and Chicago, but most of your fellow countrymen were going wild for the likes of G&R and Bon Jovi at the time and wearing cowboy boots, I know this for a fact from stories about the Technique tour in your country. We perfected the formula and it only took you the best part of 30 years to catch on to something that practically the rest of the world 'got' by the mid 90's at the latest. Yes, you're a very influential country in terms of music, but by god lots of you are very isolationist in many ways and far too insular and unadventurous in giving music you don't normally listen to a chance. Then you like to claim it as your own when you ultimately catch on, like EDM at the moment, most Yanks wouldn't know anything at all about the likes of Juan Atkins et al and think dance music was invented about a decade ago at the latest.

Tony Wilson used to say: 'Manchester kids have the best record collections', I think that's true and has played a big part in why the city has created so many successful artists over the years. They were influenced by such a wide range of tastes that when they produced their own music it sounded like nobody else. New Order could never have come from America, because they wouldn't have soaked up new influences whilst sat in the Danceteria, it would have been regarded as 'fag' music and wouldn't have been tolerated by an hypothetical US rock fan base at the time.

Bernard has been such a great natural singer. he gave us a primer as to how he gathered his nerves and sang quickly and a bit murkily at first, but with time found a truly gorgeous voice, in a time when his world had collapsed around him. in Danny Kirwan's songs i have the most beautiful voice possible and with Bernard a natural and very honest comforting voice. he is especially wonderful when, for instance, the other singer ( the pet shop singer) is done and then when it's bernard 's turn on "Patience of a saint" ,it is bliss to hear him, and 'split the atom' has that same refreshing difference.

keepitcoming wrote: Bernard has been such a great natural singer. he gave us a primer as to how he gathered his nerves and sang quickly and a bit murkily at first, but with time found a truly gorgeous voice, in a time when his world had collapsed around him. in Danny Kirwan's songs i have the most beautiful voice possible and with Bernard a natural and very honest comforting voice. he is especially wonderful when, for instance, the other singer ( the pet shop singer) is done and then when it's bernard 's turn on "Patience of a saint" ,it is bliss to hear him, and 'split the atom' has that same refreshing difference.

keepitcoming rightfully gets the last word on Barney's vocal seeds bursting forth gently into his waiting eardrums.