Ceremony to Superheated - revisiting and reviewing every core song

I haven’t posted for the last two or three entries, Dennis.

Primarily so as to not fill your blog with negativity. Not that I hate Krafty or ITYS, but they’re just a bit bland, IMHO. Same for MNAD, coming next.

I actually have more positive feelings about two or three of the tracks on the second side (from Dracula’s Castle onwards), so will be leaving comments then.

It’s not that I want to leave only positive comments; it’s just that I feel I’ve been starting to sound like a broken record (mainly due to my generally uninspired thoughts on GR and WFTSC).

I still read all the posts / comments thoroughly and enjoy them greatly. Keep up the great and insightful work.

First heard Krafty on Pete Tong, a month or so before release.Vaguely recall thinking it was a bit meh on first listen and that Bernard was trying to fit as many words as possible in to a 3 & 1/2 minute pop song.It grew on me more once i heard the longer version (someone on NOOL had done a link to somewhere online).The only thing then i thought was a bit meh and still do is the chorus- it's a bit flat and tuneless and not Barney's best vocal.The music itself though i liked; that "ultra-clipped electro vibe" thing, the chiming melody coupled with Hooky's bass on the radio edit, the guitar .Some of those mixes you mention Dennis i've not even heard.Off the top of my head i have the Glimmers, Phones Reality, Andy Green, Album re-edit version on the second UK cd single, the Riton and also Morel's Pink Noise.Oh and the DJ Dan i have somewhere but don't recall taking to that in a big way.Prob a couple of others i've forgotten.Listened to the album re-edit version from the uk cd 2(think you didn't mention this one, Dennis) just now on the uk second cd single and i'd long long forgotten that one.It's slightly different again.Starts off with the intro repeated more and ends to strings.I'm possibly in a minority that actually likes, even loves the Glimmers mix and in fact i love the Glimmers dub on the 12".Often used to give that a spin, love the beat and the relentlessness of the track, almost trippy.I always found it quite cool.

The Phones reality starts great with the synth strings but it all gets a bit irritating and grating.

Krafty has a certain optimism i like though and i enjoyed it around 2005-2006.

Still remember hearing online Barney's hilarious shouting of the vocals at a gig in France in summer 2005 (in response to Hooky's bass being too loud?)

I like I Told You So.It has a kind of swagger like you said Dennis.I like the lyrics and it has a good vibe of going somewhere , maybe down the old west side.Kind of Happy Mondays meets the Velvets.

I probably am repeating myself ,or insufferably rehashing old praise of New Order. Great reviews ! So many nice things said . Of course I adore these songs ,even the second one HeyNow,road to ruin . They have been adding to a phenomenal legacy already set way back before PCL and ever since have casually effortlessly continuously created songs so superb ,so satisfying to the Nth Max degree, And they keep going.!!! From the Outskirts of Infinity (j hendrix) To The Secret Side of the Moon (Cagliostro), New Order belongs everywhere and in paradise ,hopefully

Fotzepolitic wrote: .. i love the Glimmers dub on the 12".Often used to give that a spin, love the beat and the relentlessness of the track, almost trippy.I always found it quite cool.

Um, wow, i'm a scratching my head now.I put on the Glimmers dub version that is the second track on the b side of the 12".And, it's not the Glimmers dub i remembered or mentioned in my previous post.The Glimmers dub on the b side of the 12" has more of a shuffly beat whereas i remembered it as being a straightforward, bouncy beat.Puzzled, i vaguely recalled it's also on one of the 12x12 vinyl campaign releases form 2006 and found "The Glimmers Dub" as track 2 of the side b of the 12" which features on side a the Riton remix and first track on side 2 the Tom Neville dub of Jetstream.Upon playing the Glimmers Dub on that 12" i found the version that i remembered and loved.That's the Glimmers Dub of Krafty i meant.Getting slighty concerned about my deteriorating memory! So there's 2 "Glimmers Dub" ? Or is there a labelling mistake???

This is the Glimmers Dub i like and remembered (it turns out incorrectly) as being on the b side of the original Krafty 12".In fact it's actually on one of the b sides of the 2006 12x12 campaign (and originally somewhere else i presume?)

This is the other (original) version of the Glimmers Dub, the one actually on the Krafty 12" b side.

Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".

Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Krafty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.

perspexorange wrote: Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Krafty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.

yeah, i mention both the dubs here; http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1706#post13149

but i don't see a 5:40 one.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: Primarily so as to not fill your blog with negativity. Not that I hate Krafty or ITYS, but they’re just a bit bland, IMHO. Same for MNAD, coming next.

My next review may shock you then 😎

Fotzepolitic wrote: ...quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version"

You've upset me now

Fotzepolitic wrote:

Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".

It seems the 5:24 version, as used on the UK 12", was a mistake. It was always meant to be the 5:55 version used on everything.

Is it only the UK 12" that has that shorter one?

Dennis Remmer wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: ...quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version"

You've upset me now

Eh? Upset? Why? Do you mean you disagree with me that the 2 dub versions are quite different? Or upset that you didn't review the "Glimmers Dub (Alternate)"? IMHO opinion the "Alternate" dub has quite a different feel and vibe to it than the other one, an addictive relentlessness to the beat and some lovely bits of piano echoing in and out in places between Bernard's repeated "One more day/one more time".

Johnny James wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote:

Looking at Discogs , so there's "The Glimmers Dub Version" 5.55 and "The Glimmers Dub" 5.40 These are not the same track, quite a lot of difference between the "Glimmers Dub"and "Glimmers Dub Version".I prefer the "Glimmers Dub", not the "Glimmers Dub Version".

It seems the 5:24 version, as used on the UK 12", was a mistake. It was always meant to be the 5:55 version used on everything.

Is it only the UK 12" that has that shorter one?

I don't know,sorry.

Was this alternate Glimmers Dub released or available anywhere else before it was part of the 12x12 vinyl campaign? Can't for the life of me remember now if i'd heard it before i bought the 12x12 vinyls.

edit: Oh, it's on this one perspexorange gives a link to.

perspexorange wrote: Just in case you were interested, the 5:55 mix of the Glimmers Dub (I tend to call it the ‘Glimmers Dub (Alternate)’) is available on CD, on this promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Krafty-Mixes/release/403579

It’s also on some other vinyl promos released at the time, I think.

As far as I know, the 5:24/5:40 mix is only available on vinyl and hasn’t been released on CD as yet.

I think that 5:40 timing stated on Discogs may be a little over-generous, with it probably being nearer to 5:24, which is about what both the video you linked to above and my vinyl rip runs to. However, I don’t own the original vinyl, so will stand corrected if the 12” does run to 5:40.

Fotzepolitic wrote:

Eh? Upset? Why?

That I'm not as completist as I thought I was...

This is why I love NOOL.

There are are too many great songs and other wonderful aspects of life to worry about New Order and what have they released that I have not yet heard or bought. Yet, there still needs to be released all the live songs they have recorded , especially last summers ' Manchester shows , and the recent shows with technique songs .maybe a nice concert compilation , same for remixes , but just the best ones. Unreleased songs , unplugged songs ,also ok, but there may not be any, Any Republic rejects might be ok. Meanwhile , other music by other bands is not as easy to check out, as in the past , but Drift records in Totnes offers reviews of the top 100 releases each year ,that is invaluable, if my niece sends it on. It is free, and Q,Mojo ,etc. are not available in my area of Navajo nation anyway and internet is too slow and iffy here to check out new music. Also nice is how the Electronic 2nd album gets better over time ,same for Freebass and Monaco and Revenge and BL A new batch of songs is also a great idea, maybe some songs about sex and scifi, and dreams done very well,and they may have some cool political ideas , and songs about history , places, travel, sleeping and adventures, animals, and food might be ok, but as they seem to be so smart ,brilliant ,and even glorious when they create songs, i will just expect the usual fantasticness

keepitcoming wrote: gets better over time ,same for Revenge

Couldn't get much worse. 48.44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZsfz-syCEs Re MNAD: The only thing I like about being a teacher is I occasionally read something and don't agree with a single fucking word, but it's so well argured I have to give it A+. You beast.

MN&D is one of the very few NO tunes I have never really liked, average at best, but after reading that review I think I need to go and listen to it again!

Back to Krafty -,being a courier, without being tied to a dispatcher interrupting every few minutes , allows for the driving experience to escalate into reverie .what better way to start the day than Krafty. Later Out of Control is bliss, and maybe too wild for city traffic. On any work day all kinds of New Order can be rerun ,rehashed, and unbelieveably some money made. Best band ever.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Re MNAD: The only thing I like about being a teacher is I occasionally read something and don't agree with a single fucking word, but it's so well argued I have to give it A+. You beast.

😄 😄 😄

There are times when I love NOOL.

The Shadow wrote: MN&D... I think I need to go and listen to it again!

You love it now, don't you... damn right too.

Morning Night And Day + Dracula's Castle reviews now posted.

...one man's opinions as always...

Wish i could get as excited about Morning Night & Day as you do, Dennis.It's fairly so so for me.Nice intro and outro but that's about it for me.On the final minute or two I do like Hooky's bass, Steve's drums and the strings on the outro so it has some redeeming qualities.

Difficult to muster the enthusiasm to even type about Draculas Castle. b-side at best about sums it up.

Forewarned, another insufferably positive look at all the sirens ,and DC. The Dracula title is not what one expects, but it is a beautiful song .

Musings

Keith Relf of Yardbirds wrote Only the Black Rose, with JimmyPage playing both guitar parts,a very very beautiful song.While Plant did sing well often enough he also had his terrible twos moments. Now he is all mellow, so I like him more now than when they played NYC for a week, the Who a week before,'69. Anyway Relf was a great singer ,could have been Led Zep's singer and I would have loved it . His Renaissance , and Armageddon were fine bands, he died on stage. My LZ playlist is about the same as NO sirens-18 songs but sirens are way better . Meanwhile of much more importance is Nick Mason rehearsing with a guitarist from Spandau Ballet, and Guy Pratt, and ??, and they plan to to tour Pre DSOTM PF. My hope is that NO and PF tour together. Make it So NO/PF- the 2 awesome and wonderful and beautiful incredible bands for a lifetime or 10. Lastly , Ok so NO is no good after technique to many NO fans , but what is more wonderful ? What have i missed. I admit the free discs from Mojo and Q ,etc.often have cool wonderful stuff, and some bands have a lot of great songs (Luna for instance)but what band is better than NO after 1989? I cannot come up with any names other than Luna. Also Jimmy Page's jumpsuit is at the V and A in London, size 24"waist it seems

2 more things - #1 the Misconception that Lost Sirens were dregs of the sessions. .Some fans still cannot fathom that they were songs saved for the next album. They knew they were good songs and that changing music attitudes would not affect the songs in 3-5 years The mistake was not putting out a 2 record set . #2 - playing new order songs for idiots will only exasperate. After playing a minute of dream attack the idiot said it was too tinny.I asked about her favourite music. She said Meatloaf. Why not Barf or Horsesuck ? So some theatrical pigfart is just great.,but not NO. Spare me ,

keepitcoming wrote: 2 more things - #1 the Misconception that Lost Sirens were dregs of the sessions. .Some fans still cannot fathom that they were songs saved for the next album. They knew they were good songs and that changing music attitudes would not affect the songs in 3-5 years The mistake was not putting out a 2 record set .

I don't listen to Lost Sirens very much. Just me?

keepitcoming wrote: #2 - playing new order songs for idiots will only exasperate. After playing a minute of dream attack the idiot said it was too tinny.I asked about her favourite music. She said Meatloaf. Why not Barf or Horsesuck ? So some theatrical pigfart is just great.,but not NO. Spare me ,

Do I sense a hint of irritation from the normally laid back and spliffed-out Mr KIC?

keepitcoming wrote: My LZ playlist is about the same as NO sirens-18 songs but sirens are way better .

I cant help thinking that my top 18 fave Led Zep songs would mostly be better than the 18 songs from the Sirens period. Perhaps WFTSC would be the one exception. But it does feel a bit like comparing apples with oranges.

keepitcoming wrote: Lastly , Ok so NO is no good after technique to many NO fans , but what is more wonderful ? What have i missed. I admit the free discs from Mojo and Q ,etc.often have cool wonderful stuff, and some bands have a lot of great songs (Luna for instance)but what band is better than NO after 1989? I cannot come up with any names other than Luna.

Well in the immediate aftermath of Technique... The Stone Roses debut (actually from '88) seemed to slowly rise up, it felt like something new for the 90's (singles were still being released off it in '91) Pixies released their best albums in '88 and '89 but still felt new and fresh, when I saw them circa 91/92. Primal Scream's Screamadelica came out in '91. It felt like a reinvention of indie dance for the 90's. The Rave/House scene as a whole felt like something new and different. And it spawned enduring acts like: Underworld (mk II) Leftfield Chemical Brothers Orbital Prodigy (Fat Of The Land was great. Diasagree? Fight me!) St Etienne DJ Shadow Portishead Massive Attack (Blue Lines was overrated but the two albums that followed it were great) REM started in the 80's but '92's Automatic For The People was huge (as was '91's Out Of Time) Radiohead Paul Weller Nick Cave The Verve Sparklehorse Jesus & Mary Chain were still good in 92 & 94. Manic Street Preachers Bjork Beck My Bloody Valentine Sonic Youth U2's Achtung Baby ('91) and Zooropa ('93) were my favourite albums by them (controversial, I know) PJ Harvey Pulp Boo Radleys Morrissey (Vauxhall and I was fantastic, Your Arsenal was also pretty good. Too bad about present day Moz)

Want to get more recent than the 90s? Arcade Fire Beta Band Mercury Rev Doves British Sea Power Elbow (surprisingly devisive, this) Queens Of The Stone Age The Strokes (first album) Yeah Yeah Yeahs LCD Soundsystem Vampire Weekend White Stripes The xx Fat White Family

What have I missed?

Debaser wrote: Well in the immediate aftermath of Technique...

... What have I missed?

Electronic?

I don't mind Dracula's Asshole. It's no True Faith, but... The synth ending is reminiscent of All The Way, the beats are crisp, and it was awesome to get THAT bass after years of bolox (Republic, Rest Of, Video 586). Title aside, the lyrics manage to be shite but tight, and tied in with the way I was feeling back then. Really not that bad. Not a fan of Lost Sirens either - I'll Stay With You and that's about it. Sugarcane was touted about ten years earlier and still shit. The wake of Technique? Dicking about with Hassie and Factory and off-shoots (only one being any good), followed by perhaps their worst ever album. Feels like I've been here before. I may be in the minority, but I believe THIS is the greatest music ever recorded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDx1uHpY\_S8

I've never been a Jizzstream hater. It wouldn't make my top ten, but it wouldn't make my bottom ten either... As I said before, people like to have their heroes and villains, but why pick on this when you have Liar, Chemical, Rock the Shack, Working Overtime? Just a feelgood track and as Hooky said (so it must be true) it benefitted from mixing. I would like to have sex with Ana Matronic and I say that will all due respect for Melanie C. Because I would not have sex with Mel C. I would make love.

Jetstream + Guilt Is A Useless Emotion reviews posted.

I apologise for the time its taking to haul my way through this album.

Having bought the UK version of WFTSC I then spent more money (than the first time) buying it again from Amazon US just for the Mac Quale remix of Guilt. I remember the itunes remixes being dscussed on NOOL - Americans only. I didn't bother trying to spend any more time/money on all the remixes that I didn't have. And to date I don't have any more of them in any shape or form. How have I survived?

Listened through the 2 Jetstream CDs I have recently to try and give the song and all the remixes a second chance. Nope, all still garbage. Possibly the worst song they ever did.

Guilt has some good ideas and good moments . Had never heard all those remixes until just recently. Took 13 years to get to hear them. Well, not even listened to all of them yet and need to listen again to the rest.

JS is by far away their worst ever single, I can listen to it but certain”y ruins the single collection.

Not including the Xmas flexi it’s bottom 5 but maybe the best of the bottom 5 which are as follows

Liar Working overtime Chemical Rock the shack Jetstream

The Shadow wrote: JS is by far away their worst ever single, I can listen to it but certain”y ruins the single collection.

Not including the Xmas flexi it’s bottom 5 but maybe the best of the bottom 5 which are as follows

Liar Working overtime Chemical Rock the shack Jetstream

My bottom five would be very similar to yours, with 'Working Overtime' being swapped out with 'Slow Jam'. Not sure on my order, but 'Chemical' gets my vote for worst New Order track.

I always ignore the two Xmas Flexi tracks too. I always think it's unfair to count these tracks on 'worst' lists, as they were just the band messing around. The same excuse can't be said for 'Chemical', 'RTS' etc., with the tracks appearing on LPs.

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion is a gem of a track. Beautiful, glimmering and priceless.