New Order: Social Media & Streaming

Just an idea: A thread for stuff relating to Twitter, FB, instagram, Spotify etc. If y'all don't like it then I guess it'll just fade away like other threads. First post incorporates two of the above. [TWITTER]764065481024151552[/TWITTER]

I don't know if I use Spotify differently from others, but when I click on the link above it takes me to THIS page. However if I try to play a track from it, Spotify opens up on my PC and just sort of looks at me. So I had to type in Mixtape New Order to find what I tried to play. I notice on the initial link that track 4 is listed as True Dub from the Hacienda Acid House Classics comp (True dub is indeed how the track is listed - incorrectly- on that compilation) but when I open up Spotify properly it correctly names the track as True Faith, the Eschreamer Dub (and lists the Brotherhood reissue as the source). Anyway, I'm sure Hooky would be pleased for his Hacienda comp to get a mention in a NO playlist.

So you mean like a thread to collate any stuff of interest New Order post on Twitter, Facebook etc? Might be a good idea, might not.I'm not on Twitter or Facebook so it'll probably of more help to me than a lot of people, i'll find out about stuff i wouldn't otherwise have known about.

Was there a thread for the Singles compilation reissue? I can't find it. Could it have been lost when the forum went down? They're calling Singles a box set now, just for fun. I suppose a 4 piece vinyl set is a kind of a box-set...

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I posted on a past thread with my displeasure about New Order on Spotify. And nothing's changed. They are missing most of Substance & their singles before MC. Compared with other bands from their era, their Spotify page is the worst.

I love Spotify, use it everyday. I even took all music off my phone, because Spotify has everything. but I still have New Order, because it's just not there. Sorry boys, no streaming clicks from me until you put your full library up.

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What happened to: "we got it off the book jacket of a George Orwell novel"?

**EDIT** In case ya'll are wondering what this post is about. New Order's twitter did a little video montage tweet re PCL being 35 years old. It said the album title was inspired by a german artist defacing a building with the words Power Corruption & Lies. I replied asking the same question I asked above in this post, and now the tweet has been deleted. Funny that.

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Hmmm. What was this? Some sort of festival?

The wav file sounds like it was recorded halfway down the street from the actual event.

Very odd.

Found a tiny bit of information (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/misleading-influencers-factory-forty-tickets-46116274017) - it was a free event (not sure who organised it) that was scheduled for last Saturday. The sound of typewriters...maybe we'll hear more about this and any other anniversary events down the line:

"Assembling a group of people, born after 19/05/78, ideally creative aspiring who will understand what Factory (Factory Records) is. for 90 minutes from 7pm on Saturday 19th May 2018. They must be prepared to use a manual typewriter and will be filmed during their participation. Refreshments and typewriters will be provided."

Thanks. Ok. So, I’m a little wiser, but it’s still fairly baffling.

They gave him an an honourary masters degree for playing the drums? Nice to see he isn't taking it too seriously.

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Hope Monkhouse reads this. I'm only posting it in the hope that we get a rant from him.

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Now that the Spice Girls are reforming, I can't be negative. People say, 'Yes but there's no Posh.' And I say, 'Yes and that's another fucking good thing about the Spice Girls reforming.' Quite honestly, I wouldn't mind if there's never another album. They'd have a tough time topping Mucous Complete, and they tend to follow a good one with a mediocre one: Closer to Movement, PCL to Low-life, Technique to Republic. At least a tour is an improvement on the mid-90s, i.e. endless rip-off rehashes with only the occasional worthwhile moment - no wonder I gave up being a completist. There you go, something positive. And not about Melanie C's shoulders.

Debaser wrote: They gave him an an honourary masters degree for playing the drums? Nice to see he isn't taking it too seriously.

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This is like when Rod Stewart got a knighthood, I'd like to think if I could select someone, it'd be cos they lost a limb in battle, or discovered a cure for some fatal disease, or released 8460 political prisoners... But I guess the guy who crooned 'Young Turks' 30 years ago is awesome too in a way.

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I can’t see anything above. Not sure if this is due to viewing on an iPad or not.

What about this?

TrEU Faith

Ah. I see it now.

Saw this earlier on Facebook. Seemed to be causing a whole load of trouble in the comments section.

This old chestnut: Ceremony Debate

It's a New Order track, as far as I'm concerned.

The whole 'Ian wrote the lyrics' line that people are saying on that thread doesn't wash with me. Yes, he wrote the lyrics, but the vocals on the demos / rehearsals / live version were so low in the mix, New Order had to guess at some and make up the rest. There's a fair amount of those lyrics that are Sumner, Hook and Morris only.

Yes, Joy Division wrote the song (with the above embellishments made by New Order), but they didn't record it (beyond a demo) and never officially released it (H&S demo / Still live version excepted). New Order, on the other hand did. Twice. Their first single.

Definitely New Order's song.

It's almost like saying 'Suspicious Minds' isn't an Elvis record (written and originally recorded by Mark James). It isn't, technically, but that song is synonymous with The King and I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.

Not saying that that thread is guilty of this, but I've heard some hardcore JD-only fans use the whole 'New Order's only two decent records were written by Joy Division' statement to wind New Order fans up.

I'd definitely agree with some of the comments on the thread that say 'Ceremony' 'bridges the gap', being simultaneously both the last JD song and the first NO song

PS Just as an aside, I love both bands (and really consider them to one band) but my love for NO far exceeds my love of JD. But it's all relative; I rank NO/JD so far higher than any other band it's not even close.

Ok, on the one hand you probably can see old footage of NO backstage (Pumped full of Drugs, early Glastonbury - car parked behind stage). But on the other hand, if Social Media had existed in the 80s, I don't think NO would have been posting stuff like this:

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Of course because I'm a sucker I watched it anyway. And the one thing that struck me was Stephen's gait - as mentioned in a recent interview. I think he might need to "see someone" about that.

Thanks for this.

Interesting, if a bit weird.

Yep - Mr Morris needs to see a specialist. Poor guy. That man has suffered for us all. Just to give us the perfect beat.

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I was on the fan Facebook page simply called "New Order" a while ago, and True Faith's lyrics were being discussed. A lot of people were agreeing that the lyric is "see delight in the shade of the morning sun". I didn't join in the convo as I started to wonder if I had been getting it wrong all these years. I checked the lyrics websites which also have "delight" in there.

But of course those lyric websites are basically Bots that copy from the same source (or each other?), and a lot of the people on that FB page don't have a clue. So, following the above post on NO's twitter, I'm reverting back to my belief that it's actually "the light in the shade of the morning sun", and never again shall I allow people from that FB page to influence me. Some of them don't even know who Maradona is!

Yep. I've always thought it was "the light in the shade of the morning sun". I've seen a fair few websites / FB posts recently state "delight' but I've tried to ignore them.

I've also seen a few references recently where people think the lyrics at the end of '1963' are 'I will always feel for you', when I know they're 'I will always feel free'.

Tim Burgess has started doing these on his own twitter. He did The Charlatans Tellin' Stories on Saturday night and he has Belle & Sebastian's The Boy With The Arab Strap lined up (with Stuart Murdoch agreeing to join in) and The Chems' Exit Planet Dust too, with Tom & Ed agreeing to partake (Burgess of course was a vocalist on that album). Not strictly NO's social media but they did retweet this:

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ps what's an Arab Strap?

Debaser wrote:

ps what's an Arab Strap?

I don't know. But Belle & Sebastian were probably referencing another Scottish group named...

Arab Strap.

Are you joining in on the listening party tonight (today for me)? I know Tim Burgess is doing PC&L in April.

I'm AndyIsListening on Twitter.

Debaser wrote: ps what's an Arab Strap?

Hey, if you guys don’t know, I’m not gonna explain.

Look it up. 😉

If you're not interested, then maybe now isn't the time to have a bash at him. But if you want to ask him something (maybe NO related?), maybe now is the time to bash out your question(s) on twitter.

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Following on from the above, Mr Hook did another live Q&A on instagram today with Jack between 4 and 5pm UK time.

I can't remember much of what he said last week. I remember he mentioned he was reading Debbie Harry's book which he said this week he has nearly finished. He's gonna move on to Roger Daltry next.

This week he talked about Gorillaz. Said he tends to do his guest bass parts in a local studio and send them back to the artist. He did the Liminanas tracks "by satellite". He says that in addition to the two Liminanas tracks (which incidentally I posted in the Gorillaz thread recently) he's gonna do another one with them, this time with Iggy Pop on vocals. Said he was gutted when the "other mob" did Californian Grass live with Iggy as he had always felt Iggy would be good for that song, and they beat him to it. So he's looking forward to this. He said this time he went to Damon Albarn's studio in London to do his bit and he was really nervous. But he said he spent an hour with Damon, and he was smiling more when he came out than when he went in. He said they were just getting to the point where it was Peter Hook from start to finish when Damon threw him out, and he's happy that Damon got the right amount of PH on the track. Lots of praise for Damon's workaholic approach. Says he has known him since the days when he drank with Damon and Alex in London (Grouchos? EDIT: actually he says Soho House in this chat, but on p490 of his [paperback] book he says he drank with Alex James at Grouchos. Both venues are on Dean Street in London). He said Damon was happy to have a Manc in his corner back then as it was during the Blur v Oasis days. This Gorallaz track was his first time recording with his new Yamaha bass.

Hook says he doesn't have a home studio any more and he wishes he did as he wants to record some ideas and send them to Pottsy for new Monaco stuff.

He mentioned ICB being a sticker that a shipping company put on his bass amp and he just thought it sounded cool, nothing to do with "Ian Curtis Buried". Talked about no longer shipping his gear around the world as it's a waste of time and money. Says when he plays live with the Light he never wants to leave anybody disappointed. Fave gig venue: Irvine Meadows in California, although he remembers Terry Mason being held in cells (!) beneath the stage when things kicked off one time. Confirmed that Moby had to show NO how to play New Dawn Fades when they played Area 51 back in 2001 because they hadn't played it in so long.

Asked if Revenge is coming back, he said he had a few plans for Revenge but nothing to do with the group (evil chuckle). He talked about having some problems wanting to be a complete songwriter with Revenge, but is proud of some of the songs. Says Monaco causes him enough problems now so he probably won't bring Revenge back.

Fave cities to play (pre The Light): Chicago - always a great reaction. But Paris never was (but is now with The Light). Currently listening to lots of Glam Rock: early Roxy Music, early Eno, John Cale. Today he'll listen to Cockney Rebel's first album. Also talked about Jack's bass cover yesterday of Motorhead's "Roadcrew". Talked about Lemmy being a good songwriter for other artists incl. Ozzy Osbourne.

Said Ceremony & IALP were not a "bridge" between JD and NO , they were simply JD songs that were recorded/released by NO. But he did describe Movement as a bridge between the two bands. Says DNE was the first song written as NO.

Asked about PCL v Lowlife he talked fondly of the Emulator recreating orchestral sounds on PCL. But he says by Low Life they were properly established as NO, and he feels the album represents NO's identity better.

Fave gig in Ireland? You guessed it "Kilkenny, recorded for Radio 1 in '81 or '82" ('83, I think he means). Said Belfast was weird as the crowd would segregate into two groups. During the gig they'd forget about it and merge, and at the end go back to being two groups again. Says Barney said he would never play there again. NO were due to pay the Titanic festival more recently but it got cancelled , so Hook reckons Barney has been true to his word and never played Belfast again.

Recreating NO albums live, he uses Ken Evans in Australia for the electronic stuff as he's not allowed use original sounds/tapes from NO. Says it's expensive, and he may not do the NO albums live again as they lose money in rehearsals, so would only break even afterward which he "can't afford" (really?).

Oh that reminds me, last week he said his car was "Californian" so I guess that means it's a Tesla??

That's about all I can remember.

You can watch the whole thing for the next 23 hours on Jack's Instagram "stories". After that, it's gone forever.

EDIT: Oh just remembered from last week, Hook was asked about working with Jonathan Demme and Kathryn Bigelow. He said both were great. Suggested Demme was a bit of a "dirty dog" as he kept turning up with a "new assistant" - always a young lady. He had only been in Manchester a few days... And on TBTHOG which they also filmed in Manchester, he says a female friend phoned him to say she had lost her contact lens and was stuck at the local petrol station, unable to drive her car. So he had to nip out in full TBTHOG video outfit and drive her car home from the petrol station.

I heard he was asked about the PCL boxset, and he said it's all sorted and now back on track for release?

GotBlueEyes wrote: I heard he was asked about the PCL boxset, and he said it's all sorted and now back on track for release?

Not in yesterday's Instagram chat. I don't remember him saying that last week either.

Steve said in the twitter Listening Party on Sunday that everything is delayed due to the current situation.

Debaser wrote: Following on from the above, Mr Hook did another live Q&A on instagram today with Jack between 4 and 5pm UK time.

I can't remember much of what he said last week. I remember he mentioned he was reading Debbie Harry's book which he said this week he has nearly finished. He's gonna move on to Roger Daltry next.

This week he talked about Gorillaz. Said he tends to do his guest bass parts in a local studio and send them back to the artist. He did the Liminanas tracks "by satellite". He says that in addition to the two Liminanas tracks (which incidentally I posted in the Gorillaz thread recently) he's gonna do another one with them, this time with Iggy Pop on vocals. Said he was gutted when the "other mob" did Californian Grass live with Iggy as he had always felt Iggy would be good for that song, and they beat him to it. So he's looking forward to this. He said this time he went to Damon Albarn's studio in London to do his bit and he was really nervous. But he said he spent an hour with Damon, and he was smiling more when he came out than when he went in. He said they were just getting to the point where it was Peter Hook from start to finish when Damon threw him out, and he's happy that Damon got the right amount of PH on the track. Lots of praise for Damon's workaholic approach. Says he has known him since the days when he drank with Damon and Alex in London (Grouchos? EDIT: actually he says Soho House in this chat, but on p490 of his [paperback] book he says he drank with Alex James at Grouchos. Both venues are on Dean Street in London). He said Damon was happy to have a Manc in his corner back then as it was during the Blur v Oasis days. This Gorallaz track was his first time recording with his new Yamaha bass.

Hook says he doesn't have a home studio any more and he wishes he did as he wants to record some ideas and send them to Pottsy for new Monaco stuff.

He mentioned ICB being a sticker that a shipping company put on his bass amp and he just thought it sounded cool, nothing to do with "Ian Curtis Buried". Talked about no longer shipping his gear around the world as it's a waste of time and money. Says when he plays live with the Light he never wants to leave anybody disappointed. Fave gig venue: Irvine Meadows in California, although he remembers Terry Mason being held in cells (!) beneath the stage when things kicked off one time. Confirmed that Moby had to show NO how to play New Dawn Fades when they played Area 51 back in 2001 because they hadn't played it in so long.

Asked if Revenge is coming back, he said he had a few plans for Revenge but nothing to do with the group (evil chuckle). He talked about having some problems wanting to be a complete songwriter with Revenge, but is proud of some of the songs. Says Monaco causes him enough problems now so he probably won't bring Revenge back.

Fave cities to play (pre The Light): Chicago - always a great reaction. But Paris never was (but is now with The Light). Currently listening to lots of Glam Rock: early Roxy Music, early Eno, John Cale. Today he'll listen to Cockney Rebel's first album. Also talked about Jack's bass cover yesterday of Motorhead's "Roadcrew". Talked about Lemmy being a good songwriter for other artists incl. Ozzy Osbourne.

Said Ceremony & IALP were not a "bridge" between JD and NO , they were simply JD songs that were recorded/released by NO. But he did describe Movement as a bridge between the two bands. Says DNE was the first song written as NO.

Asked about PCL v Lowlife he talked fondly of the Emulator recreating orchestral sounds on PCL. But he says by Low Life they were properly established as NO, and he feels the album represents NO's identity better.

Fave gig in Ireland? You guessed it "Kilkenny, recorded for Radio 1 in '81 or '82" ('83, I think he means). Said Belfast was weird as the crowd would segregate into two groups. During the gig they'd forget about it and merge, and at the end go back to being two groups again. Says Barney said he would never play there again. NO were due to pay the Titanic festival more recently but it got cancelled , so Hook reckons Barney has been true to his word and never played Belfast again.

Recreating NO albums live, he uses Ken Evans in Australia for the electronic stuff as he's not allowed use original sounds/tapes from NO. Says it's expensive, and he may not do the NO albums live again as they lose money in rehearsals, so would only break even afterward which he "can't afford" (really?).

Oh that reminds me, last week he said his car was "Californian" so I guess that means it's a Tesla??

That's about all I can remember.

You can watch the whole thing for the next 23 hours on Jack's Instagram "stories". After that, it's gone forever.

EDIT: Oh just remembered from last week, Hook was asked about working with Jonathan Demme and Kathryn Bigelow. He said both were great. Suggested Demme was a bit of a "dirty dog" as he kept turning up with a "new assistant" - always a young lady. He had only been in Manchester a few days... And on TBTHOG which they also filmed in Manchester, he says a female friend phoned him to say she had lost her contact lens and was stuck at the local petrol station, unable to drive her car. So he had to nip out in full TBTHOG video outfit and drive her car home from the petrol station.

Thanks for taking the time to type all of this up. Sounds like it was pretty great. Do you know if this is still up online anywhere? I went to Jack's Instagram page and couldn't see it. However, I will admit that Instagram kind of baffles me, so it might be that I'm missing it.

^ As PerspexOrange knows, I have PM'd him. Just remembered the reason Hook mentioned ICB is because he was asked if the guy standing n the doorway in the TPK video was meant to be Ian Curtis. He said no, it was just a guy standing there. Jonathan Demme liked the look of him so didn't tell him to move.
So, Hook then went on to talk about the ICB rumuor as another common miscenception. Incidentally if you google ICB Shipping, you will get results!

Having already done Music Complete, Track by Track are now going to do their Twitter Listening Party of Complete Music on Wednesday, May 13th. Tom and Phil are confirmed, and I imagine Stephen and Gillian will pipe in.

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Just been on the weekly Hooky / Jack chat.

A few interesting nuggets of info:

1. Monaco reissues are happening. He has found a company to release them. I initially thought this might be LTM but, if it was, you'd assume that Hooky would've mentioned them, which he didn't. This project has been a little bit derailed due to Covid-19 (he's sorted out the DATs with the stuff on, but can't get to them anymore because of the lockdown). He mentioned that there were some tracks left of 'Monaco', so it seems that there may be some unheard songs. Nice.

2. There is a 22 (?) minute version of Elegia that he has found on an old cassette. He says that it's "not the final mix; it's somewhere in between". He plans on putting this on the 'Low Life' box set. I've put a ? next to '22 minutes', as the feed dropped out midway through his sentence. I could only hear '____-two minutes'. It may be 32 mins, but I think it was probably 22 minutes. So even longer than the 17 minute version previously released? Pretty damn good! :-)

3. He has a 'record coming out with Killing Joke'. Called 'Killing Division', apparently (although he may have been joking with the name). It's to celebrate 40 years of both bands. It appears that this is something from the archives, rather than something new (it apparently went missing until recently discovered by Geordie). It 's four tracks that were worked on with 'Jaz and Geordie' (so presumably not Big Paul or Youth). It figures that Youth wouldn't've been there (two bass players may be overkill), but if Ferguson wasn't there, this might signify that it was made around the time of either 'Outside The Gate' or 'Extremities...'. Again, this has been somewhat derailed by our old friend, Covid-19.

4. There isn't a 'studio version' of 'Too Late' in the archives. When asked about this, he mentioned that he is keen to record an EP with 'The Light' to include this track, 'Homage' and 'Turn The Heather On'. He pretty much decided, whilst chatting online, that it was something he was going to do when the lockdown ended.

5. He's recently unearthed a tape which contains a 'desk tape' of 'New Order's second ever gig (presumably the one at Scamp's on 05/09/80. Hope this gets a release in some form or another.

So, there we go. It was a pretty good chat today. Probably the best out of the three I've heard.

perspexorange wrote: 'Turn The Heather On'

Ooh i used to know a girl called Heather

But yeah,joking aside, thanks for the info.

My mum’s name is Heather.

What are you insinuating? 😉

perspexorange wrote: Just been on the weekly Hooky / Jack chat.

A few interesting nuggets of info:

3. He has a 'record coming out with Killing Joke'. Called 'Killing Division', apparently (although he may have been joking with the name). It's to celebrate 40 years of both bands. It appears that this is something from the archives, rather than something new (it apparently went missing until recently discovered by Geordie). It 's four tracks that were worked on with 'Jaz and Geordie' (so presumably not Big Paul or Youth). It figures that Youth wouldn't've been there (two bass players may be overkill), but if Ferguson wasn't there, this might signify that it was made around the time of either 'Outside The Gate' or 'Extremities...'. Again, this has been somewhat derailed by our old friend, Covid-19.

4. There isn't a 'studio version' of 'Too Late' in the archives. When asked about this, he mentioned that he is keen to record an EP with 'The Light' to include this track, 'Homage' and 'Turn The Heather On'. He pretty much decided, whilst chatting online, that it was something he was going to do when the lockdown ended.

Thanks for typing up.

3. The Killing Joke co-lab was mentioned in 2012 - there's a track on YouTube - it's ok, nothing special just Jaz & Geordie early 90s.

4. I'm not sure what the world needs when lockdown is over is The Light re-recording NO tracks that were not deemed good enough at the time. Let's put a stop to this now and save our planet from mediocre nostalgia!

This is a great chance to make NEW music reflecting the times and not constantly hark back to 30-40 years ago while stroking yer beard and looking rueful.

LET'S DO THE WARDANCE!

tapebias wrote:

Thanks for typing up.

No problem!

tapebias wrote:

3. The Killing Joke co-lab was mentioned in 2012 - there's a track on YouTube - it's ok, nothing special just Jaz & Geordie early 90s.

You're presumably referring to one of the two tracks that were on the Freispeil LP? (Transient Place and Arabian Percussion) - https://www.discogs.com/Various-Freispiel-The-Soundtrack/release/1503721

I got the impression that these were four 'lost' tracks, only recently discovered by Geordie. It's possible that the tracks he's referring to are from the same sessions, but the Freispiel project was a group of different musicians, not just those from KJ/JD, as he mentioned.

But that sort of time period seems likely.

tapebias wrote:

4. I'm not sure what the world needs when lockdown is over is The Light re-recording NO tracks that were not deemed good enough at the time. Let's put a stop to this now and save our planet from mediocre nostalgia!

This is a great chance to make NEW music reflecting the times and not constantly hark back to 30-40 years ago while stroking yer beard and looking rueful.

Well, much as I'd prefer new music, I'm still happy to get what I can.

In respect of 'Too Late', apparently Barney went off it, prior to recording it. I believe Hooky classes it as one of his favourites though. I love it too and think that that Peel Session is the best Peel I've ever heard by any band.

I'm trying to remember everything that was said at the 'chat', but I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he was planning on recording some new ideas. I may have misheard / remembered that though. Jack is planning on getting Pottsy along to one of the chats, so that one might be fairly Monaco-centric, and will be a good chance to ask if the two are going to be writing new material. I'll keep people posted on what occurs.

tapebias wrote:

LET'S DO THE WARDANCE!

Lets! Love that track. Love early KJ. Ridiculously good!

I suspect he's talking in between 'Extremities...' and 'Pandemonium' (91-94). Years ago, he mentioned in a Q&A that he did work on some stuff with Jaz and Geordie, but Geordie went to America and Jaz to New Zealand. That would tie in with the period.

As for the Belfast 86 story, that story about the crowd is wish fulfilment bollocks. Music fans did not give a fuck about politics, especially indie fand. He also, conveniently, left out this story from a mate who was there:

Interviewed New Order for my fanzine in 1986 when they played the Snack Bar in Queens. Hooky had a real attitude but the other three were really nice. Mentioned this in the article. Sent the band over a copy of the zine and got a sarky postcard from Hooky back.

I missed the Hooky / Jack live chat today, but have watched it back on repeat.

Although there wasn't as much 'New Order' chat as last week, with a lot of talk about 'The Light' gigs, it was still fun and very enjoyable.

There was talk again of the box sets. Hooky was very enthusiastic about them and seemed to be thrilled that fans are finally getting box sets that the band deserve. He mentioned that the 'PC&L' one is being finished off and that the 'Low Life' one is already in the planning stages, with him going through tapes at the moment. He said that he had recently discovered some early mixes of 'The Perfect Kiss and the others'.

He did mention that the box sets had been delayed due to 'fall outs' between him and the band, which have now (thankfully) been resolved.

As Jack pointed out, the lockdown has probably helped the sets somewhat, as his dad is spending more time going through unlabelled New Order cassettes. Hooky mentioned that he had come across a unfinished New Order synth piece at the end of a John Cale live tape that he had forgotten about. If he hadn't listened to that, he'd have never known it was there. It made him wonder how many more hidden gems are out there, stuck on the end of tapes.

One great story he mentioned that I had never heard before was about the girl on the cover to the 'Revenge' LP, 'One True Passion' ('Joanna'). He said that, following the release of the LP, a doctor contacted the band stating that he needed to get in touch with her urgently. Hooky joked 'I bet you do!' or similar.

Anyway, it transpired that he was some sort of Oncologist and had noticed something about her neck in the photo that suggested she had early stages of thyroid cancer. Apparently she was flown out to New York, tests were done, which revealed that this was the case, and urgent treatment occurred. This apparently saved the woman's life.

Pretty cool story. Although I've never heard the story myself, someone must have told it previously (probably Hooky), as one of the questions asked by fans was in respect of this story, which he then elaborated on.

Not sure if the photo was the one from the LP/CD or the Cassette, which had a slightly different cover. Maybe whatever the doctor saw is visible on both pictures. Here's the cover, anyway - https://www.discogs.com/Revenge-One-True-Passion/master/55596

I will just say again that I'm absolutely loving these weekly chats. Although there's some repetition, due to the same questions being asked by different fans, they are lively, fun, friendly and informative. A welcome distraction.

Both Hooky and Jack seemed in especially fine form tonight, with the former thanking fans for joining him and saying how much he really enjoys the chats.

More next week, hopefully...

perspexorange wrote:

One great story he mentioned that I had never heard before was about the girl on the cover to the 'Revenge' LP, 'One True Passion' ('Joanna'). He said that, following the release of the LP, a doctor contacted the band stating that he needed to get in touch with her urgently. Hooky joked 'I bet you do!' or similar.

Anyway, it transpired that he was some sort of Oncologist and had noticed something about her neck in the photo that suggested she had early stages of thyroid cancer. Apparently she was flown out to New York, tests were done, which revealed that this was the case, and urgent treatment occurred. This apparently saved the woman's life.

Pretty cool story. Although I've never heard the story myself, someone must have told it previously (probably Hooky), as one of the questions asked by fans was in respect of this story, which he then elaborated on.

Not sure if the photo was the one from the LP/CD or the Cassette, which had a slightly different cover. Maybe whatever the doctor saw is visible on both pictures. Here's the cover, anyway - https://www.discogs.com/Revenge-One-True-Passion/master/55596

God yeah, looking at the pic again it does look like she has a big kind of lump in her neck.Don't know if that's what the Oncologist was talking about but it doesn't look right.Amazing story.

Andy wrote: Having already done Music Complete, Track by Track are now going to do their Twitter Listening Party of Complete Music on Wednesday, May 13th. Tom and Phil are confirmed, and I imagine Stephen and Gillian will pipe in.

Tweet

I was following this the other night.Well maybe half following it, it was nowhere near as good as when Steve joins in on Tim Burgess' listening parties.Can't remember if there was anything much to report from it , there was no previously unseen pics from the old days as it was just Phil and Tom contributing.Track by Track are doing Waiting For The Sirens' Call next, on 27th May.Or at least i think so, some of the information i found confusing as a podcast was also mentioned, like there was a podcast version and it'd already happened.But then the 27th May date is mentioned as well.

Well, talking of online events, I'm quite looking forward to the two on Monday; specifically the Sumner / Morris chat and the showing of the complete Light gig from 5 years ago.

However, this all brings home to me that, prior to Covid-19, I had arranged to have the 18th off work and was planning to visit Macclesfield and see who was about / what events were on etc.

Although I've been to the crem/cemetery a couple of times (I have a fellow New Order friend who lives in Macc), I've never been there on the anniversary. I wouldn't normally feel the urge to do this, but I really quite fancied connecting with other fans on the 40th anniversary. It seemed like an interesting thing to do.

The best laid plans of mice and men...

perspexorange wrote: Well, talking of online events, I'm quite looking forward to the two on Monday; specifically the Sumner / Morris chat and the showing of the complete Light gig from 5 years ago.

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Peter Hook was on RadMac on 6Music this morning.Doing that first ,last and everything bit where artists talk about 3 pieces of music that shaped their life.Yes, he mentioned The Light's 2015 gig and the fact it will be streamed on the 18th.He said though that it is over 3 hours but had previously said in the interview that as he did every single Joy Division song (49 in total) at the gig it was over 4 hours.So either not the whole performance will be streamed or maybe at the gig 5 years ago they took a few breaks, which is understandable, meaning the whole show was 4 hours but actual playing time was 3 hours.Can't remember where he said the stream is to be found.It'll be up for 24 hours.

Go to 1 hour 33 mins in for interview 'ere

The camera malfunctioned on two of the tracks. So It's 47 out of the 49 tracks. They have audio for the two missing tracks and considered just using that, but in the end decided to skip those two. Its 3 and a bit hours I think. But yeah Hooky can be a bit fast and loose with his facts. When he was talking about listening back to old cassettes he said that C90 tapes were 3 hours long - 90 minutes a side. No they're not, they're 45 mins per side, just as 60 minute tapes are/were 30 minutes a side. The stream will start at midday UK time on the 18th and then play on a loop for 24 hours. That way it doesn't matter what time zone you're in.

If it's on a loop, I wonder how easy it'll be download off YouTube, as I'd rather like to keep for posterity. Hopefully normal YouTube rippers will work.

Fotz wrote: Can't remember where he said the stream is to be found.It'll be up for 24 hours.

Sorry - should've said that it'll be be on YouTube, apparently.

Here's the accompanying text from a 'Shadowplay' teaser posted to The Light's official YouTube channel yesterday:

"So This Is Permanent

Peter Hook & The Light - 24 Hour Concert Stream

Shadowplay Preview Released

Ahead of Monday’s full premiere, here is 'Shadowplay' from our Christ Church, Macclesfield 2015 anniversary concert film.

The full show will premiere on the Joy Division Youtube channel for 24 hours from 12pm BST on Monday 18th May 2020.

Join the Youtube screening event here: bit.ly/SoThisIsPermanentYoutubePremiere

Please donate to Epilepsy Society if you can here: bit.ly/SoThisIsPermanentESDONATE

A DVD will be released in mid June by Live Here Now – details here: bit.ly/SoThisIsPermanentLHNPreOrder

Live concert produced by Jackinabox."

So, even if I can't snag it, it'll be released on DVD. Great stuff! I'll certainly buy a copy and I plan to donate too.

Tried to edit my post, but can't:

Edit - Looking at the DVD contents, there's 45 tracks (they've numbered two tracks as number '32'). The two missing due to camera problems appear to be 'A Means To An End' and 'These Days'. It appears that they only performed one of the 'Warsaw' demos ('At A Later Date) and missed the other four (can't say I blamed them).

perspexorange wrote: Tried to edit my post, but can't:

Edit - Looking at the DVD contents, there's 45 tracks (they've numbered two tracks as number '32'). The two missing due to camera problems appear to be 'A Means To An End' and 'These Days'. It appears that they only performed one of the 'Warsaw' demos ('At A Later Date) and missed the other four (can't say I blamed them).

At a Later Date included as it was actually released (Short Circuit compilation).

Andy wrote:

At a Later Date included as it was actually released (Short Circuit compilation).

Ah, yes. That makes sense.

That Joanna anecdote is the only good thing to come out of Revenge. Re KJ, there was a little talk in the press in late 93; Hooky was half-way into the next Revenge album but temporarily shelving it for Killing Joke. Neither project really took off, but Revenge and Monaco used Pumpkin (Microbes), Under The Stars (Porn To Kill) and Tender, and Hooky and Coleman '''''worked''''' on Freispiel. I like helping. I think it's hilarious that Hooky insisted Revenge were a democracy but had the entire band on hold for his own project. Would CJ have been granted the same largesse?

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Re KJ, there was a little talk in the Press on late 93; Hooky was half-way into the next Revenge album but temporarily shelving it for Killing Joke. Neither project really took off, but Revenge and Monaco used Pumpkin (Microbes), Under The Stars (Porn To Kill) and Tender, and Hooky and Coleman '''''worked''''' on Freispiel. I like helping.

I seem to remember a radio show that Hooky was hosting, around Christmas / New Year, probably 1993/4. He mentioned the KJ project then and played 'Love Like Blood', IIRC.

Born To Kill / Under The Stars was also the Mrs Merton theme, I think.

Flicking through his buke - couldn't be arsed to read it all - I read it didn't happen cos of a an argument. Strange for Hooky to argue.

Re: Mrs Merton. Was Hooky & The Boys Revenge or Monaco or what? It was all New Order-lite anyway although Pottsy seemed alright.

And just remembered he couldnt let it go without having a dig when she died and making it all about him. Hooky Me-Me..always the victim.

Is this 40th anniversary lark turning us all into 'look back bores' as MES said or is it just lockdown fever.

I have precious little time for Mr Hook these days but it should be noted that he was actually the victim in that relationship.

As for the 'look back bores', I'd say not this time, no. The 40th is a significant anniversary of something seismic to many of us, not least those in and around the band itself.

And FWIW (this being a public forum an all that) I'm quite happy with what Hook plans to do with The Light. One of his better moves.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off Nightclubbing...

Hooky's bass on Aries is magical. Best riff since? New Order certainly

Rorschach wrote: I have precious little time for Mr Hook these days but it should be noted that he was actually the victim in that relationship.

I believe Peter Hook was abused by Caroline. She certainly looked like one dangerous, violent bundle of rage and Hooky has a reputation for shying away from confrontation. Interesting, too, that a guy who's never given a fuck about anything except himself, whores and drugs should develop a social conscience the day his book cums out.

perspexorange wrote: Well, talking of online events, I'm quite looking forward to the two on Monday; specifically the Sumner / Morris ..

Having a look at this now. Craig Parkinson reading out the lyrics to 24 Hours was quite something, kind of strange.

Steve on now , pre recorded chat with Haslam

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Well, talking of online events, I'm quite looking forward to the two on Monday; specifically the Sumner / Morris ..

Having a look at this now. Craig Parkinson reading out the lyrics to 24 Hours was quite something, kind of strange.

Steve on now , pre recorded chat with Haslam

So that room Bernard did the interview from is presumably THE room where Bernard works on music when he isn't in the Barn at S&G's.

Did anybody else think that Bernard didn't seem particularly happy?

I guess lockdown is getting to him a bit.

Wonder what the plan is with the unused track off Music Complete ?

perspexorange wrote: Did anybody else think that Bernard didn't seem particularly happy?

I guess lockdown is getting to him a bit.

Just thinking, perhaps he had just seen this headline and was worried that a crowd of angry Welshmen were heading towards his moored vessel.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/lockdown-bernard-sumner-boat-wales-18272834

perspexorange wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Did anybody else think that Bernard didn't seem particularly happy?

I guess lockdown is getting to him a bit.

Just thinking, perhaps he had just seen this headline and was worried that a crowd of angry Welshmen were heading towards his moored vessel.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/lockdown-bernard-sumner-boat-wales-18272834

Either that or Bass Thruster was sending him death threat emails at the start for not being part of the event.

perspexorange wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Did anybody else think that Bernard didn't seem particularly happy?

I guess lockdown is getting to him a bit.

Just thinking, perhaps he had just seen this headline and was worried that a crowd of angry Welshmen were heading towards his moored vessel.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/lockdown-bernard-sumner-boat-wales-18272834

I read peoples comments below the article yesterday but can't find them now.They were mostly "aww diddumms" and "Never heard of him" and such.I can kind of understand their reactions but i guess those of us more familiar with Bernard's sense of humour we would just think it was just Bernard being Bernard.I'm sure he's got nothing against the Welsh. Also in another way, you could say it was yet another sad example of people falling for a newspaper's sensationalism and clickbait.But that's all just my take on it.

Yeah Bernard did seem to have a slight undercurrent of irritability in the Headstock interview.I guess because of lockdown.He seemed to say at one point when an email came in that "Your set up appointment with Sky has been confirmed" which seem to indicate he had an appointment for something with Sky News? Or maybe he's getting a new Sky broadband router😄

I watched all the Headstock evening in the end.Yes some good stuff like Craig Parkinson and then Maxine Peake reading out JD lyrics, Steve and Bernard interviews and one or two other parts like the band doing the cover of Isolation but other parts didn't really float my boat (the Irish band Codaline weren't my thing)

Just been on the Jack / Hooky live chat again.

Unsurprisingly, the chat mainly focussed on the 'So This Is Permanent' event yesterday (which I watched yesterday and really enjoyed).

Hooky showed the two 'proof' DVD discs that he'd just been sent for the PC&L boxset. He needs to approve these before the finalisation of the boxset. I presume Bernard, Steve & Gillian will have to do the same too. But, yeah, things definitely seems to be moving pretty fast with that set. Can't bloody wait!

Hooky received a 'phone call from Twinny during the live chat. Apparently Twinny now lives in Wales and has some news. I'm guessing it's got something to do the boat moored there. He said he would divulge what he was told at the next live chat.

Here's hoping Meibion Glyndwr haven't struck... [eek3]

Just thinking about the interview with Bernard and Steve yesterday, I kind of wonder why Hooky wasn't present.

I was expecting Bernard and Steve, although obviously not in the same room, to be in the same discussion. Instead, Dave Haslam interviewed them separately, an hour or so apart. I think they were also pre-recorded interviews. Going by those rules, it would've been simple to have a separate interview with Hooky too.

Maybe Hooky declined; he was quite busy with interviews yesterday. I suppose there's also a possibility that he and Haslam have fallen out. Can't remember if I've seen the two of them in any interviews post-Hooky.

I should point out that, although Bernard seemed to be a bit annoyed, I enjoyed the interview with him and, especially, Steve (he's always good fun and interesting). I haven't had the chance to watch the Mark Reeder interview yet, but am looking forward to that too.

Oh i forgot last night, what with the Headstock thing, all about the streaming for 24 hours thing of The Light's 2015 gig.Had a look on YouTube just now and a Joy Division channel has the whole show .Had a brief flick through but i just can't tolerate Hooky's me me me macho posturing and excruciating vocals.Ugh.He just butchers the songs.Ugh.Such a shame.

I think Bernard just gets a bit sick answering the same questions about JD. Seemed a bit happier once he was talking about other things such as mixing Zachs recent songs and the unheard future new order classic. There’s not a lot more he can say about stuff that was 40 years ago. Play the records they will never age.

Can’t believe his jokey throw away comments about the welsh made their news, people just can’t take a joke any more

The Shadow wrote: I think Bernard just gets a bit sick answering the same questions about JD.

Yes i think Dave Haslam needs to give it a break , to be honest.Too much JD questions and going over the same old story blah blah blah.He seems rather too obsessed over recent years.I'm actually becoming a little concerned about Haslam's state of mind.

The Shadow wrote: I think Bernard just gets a bit sick answering the same questions about JD. Seemed a bit happier once he was talking about other things such as mixing Zachs recent songs and the unheard future new order classic.

You're probably right but, to be fair, he could've turned Haslam down, if he didn't want to answer questions of this nature. The whole point of the programme was to talk about Joy Division and mental health with, presumably, Bernard and Stephen focussing on the former. The fact that Steve was there, happy as Larry, meant that the band were represented on the big day and, if Bernard was uncomfortable about answering JD questions, he should, perhaps, have declined.

I did think that Bernard seemed to side-step a couple of questions about JD and start talking about he was doing instead. Which probably wasn't what Haslam was after.

What I also thought was quite pointed, is that Bernard seemed to make no reference to Hooky and the rest of the band, i.e. two or three occasions he said things like 'when I met Ian', rather than 'when we met Ian' (Bernard and Hooky apparently met him together). I might be reading far too much into this, but it certainly seemed to me that the way he was answering questions was in a 'deliberate' manner, rather than just naturally.

I did worry a little about Bernard. He just didn't seem his normal self. Well, his normal 'interview' self, as I don't know him personally.

I guess it's the cursed lockdown. Bad times.

oh well, Bernard could always do some fruit picking if he's bored with lockdown.You know, like that renowned hard grafter Prince Charles has suggested the plebs do.

The Shadow wrote: I think Bernard just gets a bit sick answering the same questions about JD.

Yes but it was a JD night. In the words of Jimmy Carr, the clue there is in the name. The Light are a live experience. Stripped of that thrill, recordings are Karaoke piss takes and not worth hunting down.

Bit of a long shot this, but does anyone have copies of the Jack/Hooky live streams for the following dates:

31/03/2020 07/04/2020 14/04/2020 26/05/2020

I missed the first three and also missed the start of the latest one, so would really like to see these. I also had a bit going on in the house at the time, so sadly couldn't give it my complete attention this week.

According to Jack on Twitter, he couldn't save the latest chat, so it didn't appear on his Instagram page for 24 hours like in previous weeks. So, it would need to be someone who captured this at the time using 'screen capture' tech.

What's doubly annoying for me is that Hooky mentioned my 'perspexorange' handle when I helped him remember a name (by me using the 'comments' facility). Call me a bit sad, but I'd quite like to preserve this 2 seconds of personal fame!

Has anyone else cum across Track by Track, the live broadcast where they go through an album with Twitter comments from fans and occasionally the proverbial horse's mouth? Recommended! Last night it was the Sirens' Call with Phil Cummingsham no less, and he's their secret weapon! They've also done Electronic and Mucous Complete, plus my wife's Northern Star (with my spouse herself) and Spiceworld. She must be busy, doing all this work, putting out her new single AND organising our wedding. I know 99% of the social media is a free for all, but this one's worthwhile.

Didn't know what thread to post this in.

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Thanks for this. Pretty decent interview. Strange to hear Gillian interviewed alone, as she's usually accompanied by Steve.

perspexorange wrote: Strange to hear Gillian interviewed alone, as she's usually accompanied by Steve.

You've seen this?

I LOVE LOVE LOVE that she wrote their only UK #1.

Thanks for that, Debaser.Nice to hear a Gillian interview for a change.

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Strange to hear Gillian interviewed alone, as she's usually accompanied by Steve.

You've seen this?

I LOVE LOVE LOVE that she wrote their only UK #1.

Yep - seen it. Great interview.

I chucked the Gillian interview on the You Tubs as it was quite rare to have an interview with her.

Lovely to hear Gillian speak. And she chose Leave me alone. I can see this song being resurrected for live performances next year.

Fotz wrote: I chucked the Gillian interview on the You Tubs as it was quite rare to have an interview with her.

Good plan! Giving her a bit of well-deserved love!

The Shadow wrote: Lovely to hear Gillian speak. And she chose Leave me alone. I can see this song being resurrected for live performances next year.

At the recent Tim Burgess 'Movement' listening party, Steve commented that he'd do his best to get ‘Everything’s Gone Green’ and ‘Leave Me alone’ back into the set for the O2.

Fingers crossed...

perspexorange wrote:

The Shadow wrote: Lovely to hear Gillian speak. And she chose Leave me alone. I can see this song being resurrected for live performances next year.

At the recent Tim Burgess 'Movement' listening party, Steve commented that he'd do his best to get ‘Everything’s Gone Green’ and ‘Leave Me alone’ back into the set for the O2.

Fingers crossed...

Both of those songs would be on my ultimate New Order set list

perspexorange wrote:

At the recent Tim Burgess 'Movement' listening party, Steve commented that he'd do his best to get ‘Everything’s Gone Green’ and ‘Leave Me alone’ back into the set for the O2.

Fingers crossed...

I decided that Ally Pally would be my last NO gig until they release something new or do a "farewell". Well I guess they have released something new. If this gig goes ahead it would be a great way to get back to normal life.

Leave Me Alone and EGG would make it even greater. Go on S&G!

Speaking of S&G (and Tim) here's some S news:

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^ More on this.

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This was live tonight at 7.15pm. I'm not sure how we replay it. Maybe it'll end up on YouTube...

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EDIT: Tim Burgess replied to me on twitter. He says: Yep, stay tuned.

EDIT2: OK, Dave Haslam has now kindly forwarded this to me (it was he whom I originally asked, even tho Tim replied earlier):

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☝️ Ok I've watched this now. Steve starts at 27.46. Watch/listen to him reading from his NO book. Enjoy his impersonations of his mum and Rob Gretton. Watch him bang a drum machine on a table, and then get the machine to make some very non-drum sounds. Watch him then sequence those sounds into a Morodor-esque I Feel Love kinda track. He says: name that tune, but Haslam doesn't seem to twig. Chuckle at Steve's jokes. And then look forward to the bit he'll be doing once the book is out.

Thanks for this!

This was a joy and I laughed out loud at least a couple of times.

Just if anyone is interested, in respect of Steve's book, there is further event going on in early November here:

https://dice.fm/event/edmnd-stephen-morris-qa-with-dave-haslam-5th-nov-stream-via-london-london-tickets?\_branch\_match\_id=839604726822578025

If you pay for this (£23.50), you get access to the streamed event, plus a signed physical copy of Steve’s new book (through Rough Trade).

I’d already pre-ordered a signed copy through Rough Trade, which cost me about £24 including postage.

I’ve therefore cancelled that and re-ordered using the link above. It’s worked out a few pence cheaper, and I get access to the event too.

I'll post this in the other thread about Steve's book too.

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Transmissions - The definitive story of Joy Division and New Order - coming soon to wherever you get your podcasts..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2GuugaLOeU

Rorschach wrote: Transmissions - The definitive story of Joy Division and New Order - coming soon to wherever you get your podcasts..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2GuugaLOeU

Definitive.

Rorschach wrote: Transmissions - The definitive story of Joy Division and New Order - coming soon to wherever you get your podcasts..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2GuugaLOeU

Looks good to me.

Debaser wrote: This was live tonight at 7.15pm... ...OK, Dave Haslam has now kindly forwarded this to me (it was he whom I originally asked, even tho Tim replied earlier):

[TWITTER]1311258903091568645[/TWITTER]

Debaser wrote: ☝️ Ok I've watched this now. Steve starts at 27.46. Watch/listen to him reading from his NO book. Enjoy his impersonations of his mum and Rob Gretton. Watch him bang a drum machine on a table, and then get the machine to make some very non-drum sounds. Watch him then sequence those sounds into a Morodor-esque I Feel Love kinda track. He says: name that tune, but Haslam doesn't seem to twig. Chuckle at Steve's jokes. And then look forward to the bit he'll be doing once the book is out.

Whether I should have posted this here or in the book thread (or somewhere else) is perhaps debatable. But anyway, the rest of it will apparently be available to watch on the 26th.

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☝️ Twenty five mins of previously unseen footage.

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This is excellent news.

The NME article also contains a clip of 'Temptation' from Lüneberg 1984 and states the footage being shown on Gorilla TV will contain:

"further ’80s New Order gigs from Copenhagen and the Kilburn National Ballroom in London, as well as an inside peek at 1988 recording sessions for ‘Technique’ in Ibiza."

Wow! Colour me very excited!

https://www.nme.com/news/music/watch-never-seen-before-footage-of-new-order-playing-temptation-in-1984-2823951?fbclid=IwAR22w3xKAaTSgjWZksN6zB7qNZKUh9DSaiHjuALdjcO10oIRS7-857ikCVE

According to a post Dave Haslam has made on Facebook, the footage includes four songs. Ultraviolence, Everything's Gone Green, Temptation, and The Village. The Village is from Copenhagen, 1984 and he provided a short extract.

Looks good. Camera is, weirdly, at the back of the stage, behind Gillian and next to Steve.

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I was on the fan Facebook page simply called "New Order" a while ago, and True Faith's lyrics were being discussed. A lot of people were agreeing that the lyric is "see delight in the shade of the morning sun". I didn't join in the convo as I started to wonder if I had been getting it wrong all these years. I checked the lyrics websites which also have "delight" in there.

But of course those lyric websites are basically Bots that copy from the same source (or each other?), and a lot of the people on that FB page don't have a clue. So, following the above post on NO's twitter, I'm reverting back to my belief that it's actually "the light in the shade of the morning sun", and never again shall I allow people from that FB page to influence me. Some of them don't even know who Maradona is!

I’ve always thought it was "see the light in the shade of the morning sun", as well.

Having now thought about this for more than two seconds I now look forward to seeing Peter Hook and his band at a (very) early festival slot.

Caught and captured the Gorilla tv thing tonight.Pretty good and nice to see the 80s gig footage and Ibiza studio stuff.

It was excellent!

Great interview. Again, Steve's personality shines throughout. I love the man.

And the footage was absolutely wonderful to see.

The segue from Everything's Gone Green to Temptation at Luneberg was magnificent. Steve seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself during that performance. And what was with the awkward way he was playing drums in Copenhagen? Very strange!

I just hope that more footage like this gets released.

I think it would be a great idea for one-off tracks that weren't included in the Definitive box sets to be made available online. You know, after each box has been released, so as not to damage potential sales. Perhaps a track a month on the band's YouTube page. Could help to brighten up our fairly dismal 'lockdown lives'. Hey - I'd even pay for a download of them.

Maybe 'Johnny James' could perhaps suggest this sort of 'mopping up exercise' to Steve and the band. Hint, Hint. ;-)

It would just be a terrible shame if absolute gold like we saw tonight stayed in the vaults, never to be seen!

Confusion video as an HD upgrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c\_L\_-CKg6pw&eml=2020November27/5178460/6206144&etsubid=152193876

perspexorange wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Re KJ, there was a little talk in the Press on late 93; Hooky was half-way into the next Revenge album but temporarily shelving it for Killing Joke. Neither project really took off, but Revenge and Monaco used Pumpkin (Microbes), Under The Stars (Porn To Kill) and Tender, and Hooky and Coleman '''''worked''''' on Freispiel. I like helping.

I seem to remember a radio show that Hooky was hosting, around Christmas / New Year, probably 1993/4. He mentioned the KJ project then and played 'Love Like Blood', IIRC.

Born To Kill / Under The Stars was also the Mrs Merton theme, I think.

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Thanks for the link, Debaser.

No mention of a CD or download version, which is a bit annoying.

I'm also a little wary of ordering annoying KJ related, especially in advance. They still owe me for an album that I helped to fund on PledgeMusic (Jaz jetting off to Russia to record symphonies with some orchestra). Pledge went tits up; KJ still ended up releasing the LP anyway, but didn't honour any of the pledges made. Not just CDs at £20 a pop, but 'big money' items, such as signed 'scores' etc.

Also, I think there was a concurrent pledge for a huge vinyl box set, which never materialised, although notes were handed over by fans. Seems the band are now trying to release something similar again. Presumably, the new sets won't be given away to the previous Pledgers either.

Sadly, this isn't the first time something like this happened, with fans being ripped off for a 'giant box set' years previously.

Up until that point, I had pretty much every LP (studio, live etc.) that they'd ever released. I haven't bought anything by them since.

If I did get this, it would be purely for the NO connection, and I'm not going to be putting money down before there's a product available. Fool me once... etc.

Shame to feel like this about a group of musicians you once respected. :-(

perspexorange wrote: Confusion video as an HD upgrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c\_L\_-CKg6pw&eml=2020November27/5178460/6206144&etsubid=152193876

Great upgrade.Nice.

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Confusion video as an HD upgrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c\_L\_-CKg6pw&eml=2020November27/5178460/6206144&etsubid=152193876

Great upgrade.Nice.

Yep. It’s quite noticeable on this one. More so than the others they’ve upgraded, IMHO. Nice to see everything with improved clarity.

They should do this for all of the videos.

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Confusion video as an HD upgrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c\_L\_-CKg6pw&eml=2020November27/5178460/6206144&etsubid=152193876

Great upgrade.Nice.

Yep. It’s quite noticeable on this one. More so than the others they’ve upgraded, IMHO. Nice to see everything with improved clarity.

They should do this for all of the videos.

maybe the originals weren't that great to begin with, so i don't see that big an improvement.

because the bitrate is so low for 1080p.

i do film restoration of scans for movies at 4k, where you can see a huge difference depending on the scan.

it might be better, but not much for me.

later -1

On the Gorilla TV programme, Steve mentioned that, when they finally get back to gigging, they may try and perform some new ‘old’ tracks.

He’s kind of hinted at this before on another couple of interviews. I can’t remember where. Actually, I think one was on Twitter during the ‘Movement’ listening party. I think someone mentioned ‘Everything’s Gone Green’ and Steve’s response was something like ‘I’ll see what I can do’.

Now, if I could only hear the band perform one ‘new old’ track for the rest of their existence, ‘Everything’s Gone Green’ is the one.

There are others of course (shout outs to the following in descending order - Thieves Like Us, Chosen Time, Hurt, Sunrise, 1963). But ‘EGG’ is in the number one slot of tracks I’ve never personally heard live.

negative1 wrote:

maybe the originals weren't that great to begin with, so i don't see that big an improvement.

because the bitrate is so low for 1080p.

i do film restoration of scans for movies at 4k, where you can see a huge difference depending on the scan.

it might be better, but not much for me.

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Debaser wrote:

negative1 wrote:

maybe the originals weren't that great to begin with, so i don't see that big an improvement.

because the bitrate is so low for 1080p.

i do film restoration of scans for movies at 4k, where you can see a huge difference depending on the scan.

it might be better, but not much for me.

later -1

Well... [TWITTER]1333078269596471300[/TWITTER]

all it looks like is some contrast and brightness was applied.

was there real detail added, or was it interpolated.

there's a lot that can go into upscaling to make an image look better.

that doesn't mean the actual image quality has improved.

if you play around with enough image processing tools, given the right machines to scan it, you can make laserdiscs look high definition too.

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just got this, decent article.

but the prices are way out of whack for the items.

later -1

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Bit of an odd one, this:

It doesn't go live until 29/12/20, so don't bother clicking on the video yet.

Not sure why they're revisiting old songs for videos.

perspexorange wrote: Bit of an odd one, this:

It doesn't go live until 29/12/20, so don't bother clicking on the video yet.

Not sure why they're revisiting old songs for videos.

it's tied in with the power corruption and lies boxset promo.

later -1

Yeah, I guessed as much.

Still seems a little odd though. The box set was out a couple of months back and they didn't do anything similar for 'Movement'. I'd say it was to generate sales of the PC&L box set for Christmas, but considering it doesn't go live until the 29th, it doesn't really make much sense.

Still, I'll be interested to see what it's like.

perspexorange wrote: they didn't do anything similar for 'Movement'.

Barney doesn't like Movement.

They created videos for Ceremony and Temptation when A Collection was released in 2005. Classic singles that never had a visual component. I guess the band felt they deserved videos to justify them being included on what was essentially a companion for Singles.

Age Of Consent is such a classic, and probably could/should have been released as a single. They just did one for the original Blue Monday. It'll help generate more streaming revenue.

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: they didn't do anything similar for 'Movement'.

Barney doesn't like Movement.

I very much doubt Bernard is even aware of this new video. Or, if he is, he's probably not bothered either way. I don't think him not liking the LP would have too much bearing on whether a video was made for one of the tracks.

50poundnote wrote:

They created videos for Ceremony and Temptation when A Collection was released in 2005. Classic singles that never had a visual component. I guess the band felt they deserved videos to justify them being included on what was essentially a companion for Singles.

Yeah. They were singles and, as you rightly say, they probably felt that it would make sense for these songs to have accompanying videos. Shamberg, who was involved in those two, also made one for Everything's Gone Green, I believe. Not sure why that didn't make the 'A Collection' DVD. Perhaps it was made too late, or was just an afterthought by Shamberg in an attempt to have videos for every single.

50poundnote wrote: Age Of Consent is such a classic

True, but it just seems a bit left-field to do a video for this. If they were wanting to do videos for 'classics', you'd think 'Dreams Never End' may well qualify. I guess, though, B, S & G may not be too keen on that track for obvious reasons. ;-)

50poundnote wrote: It'll help generate more streaming revenue.

I think that's probably it. It's a popular song and will earn money.

You mention a new vid for 'Blue Monday'. Are you referring to the 'lyrics video' or have I missed something else?

On a related note, I always get a bit irked that the original Blue Monday video gets overlooked by the band. I know it was just Steve and Malcolm Whitehead having a laugh, but I quite liked it. And it gets extra points for having the band's direct involvement in it.

perspexorange wrote: You mention a new vid for 'Blue Monday'. Are you referring to the 'lyrics video' or have I missed something else?

Yes.

To me, the William Wegman video for Blue Monday '88 will always be the definitive version, because it's so great, but it's nice to have an official video for the regular version, which is the version streaming services and radio will always play.

...to add further. I think Blue Monday '88 exists for two reasons.

One, Quincy Jones absolutely loved the original, and since Qwest had gained the rights to NO's catalog for US distribution, he wanted to try his hand at a remix, and from that create a shortened version to try and gain radio traction (which worked somewhat. It hit the Billboard Hot 100 at #68, and went to #1 on the dance chart).

Two, they finally had the budget to do a really great video, and MTV wasn't likely to start playing a new video for a 5-year old song. Spruced-up version = "new" in the eyes of MTV, and therefore acceptable.

50poundnote wrote: ..he wanted to try his hand at a remix,

Quincy didn't actually do the remix as far as I understand. He handed it to John "Tokes" Potoker (well known for Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer 12").

perspexorange wrote: Bit of an odd one, this:

It doesn't go live until 29/12/20, so don't bother clicking on the video yet.

Not sure why they're revisiting old songs for videos.

Another, what was that all about? I’m hopeless at interpreting these videos. Or are they uninterpretible ( is that even a word?) ?

Still, I liked the BMW. The black shoes with white socks were kind of 80s. Almost Michael Jackson ish, as was the dancing at times.

Yeah, by Item all the singles (except Subculture) had at least one vid - Turn had three, and didn't get any further than 'Singles (7" edit)'... I could argue the case for Video 586 or Someone Like You. Or I could shut the fuck up. The words It and Milking spring to mind.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Yeah, by Item all the singles (except Subculture) had at least one vid -

I'm pretty sure Thieves Like Us never had a video.Certainly not at the time and i don't think one has been made for it in more recent years.Maybe they should do one for that to complete the videos if they're in the business of making new films for old songs.I was thinking there had never been one for Ceremony but apparently they did one for the Item DVD though i can't for the life of me remember it.I remember the new Temptation vid (the 'Temptation of Victoria' i think it was called?) that's on that DVD but would have to dig the disc out to remind what the Ceremony one is all about.

You're fucking quick, in the words of my wife. Yeah, I just remembered and was about to edit the post. There's Murder too. I like to think of TOTP as the Thieves vid. I also like to think about the Spice Girls in the nude (or with my clothes on).

It's also interesting that until the mid 80s, not every single had a vid - then they all did, even ones they weren't around to promote, like 1963-95, hence the ''arty'' approach. It's an interesting reflection (in both senses) on how crucial the visual aspect has become. As Hooky said in 89, it's unfortunate how people tend to remember images over how the track originally made you feel. Michael Jackson and Madonna were important in that respect. It's like you hear and track and think, Oh yeah, that's the one where Katy Perry looks fairly fuckworthy in a forest. My dad keeps lecturing me about my Madonna obsession. I said, Papa don't preach.

I know that art is very subjective, but in the case of this video, I really just don't get it.

It's a weird thing 'art', isn't it? If you commission an artist to produce something like this (a video, a short film, an LP sleeve etc.), you're really giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want, no questions asked (unless you give them a certain remit). It's not like asking someone to fit a new shower in your bathroom; there's no wrong way to 'make art', is there? If you don't like the finished product, it could be said that 'you just don't get what the artist was trying to achieve', 'you're misinterpreting it' etc.

Now I'm not saying that the director has half-arsed this video (he/she may well have spent a long time planning this in fine detail), but it seems to me that it would be very easy to come up with the idea of this in a very short space of time.

"Get a girl. Make her dance spasmodically whilst filming her. Throw in a slight bit of 80s styling (after all, the song's from that era). And, Hey Presto, instant video..."

I don't want to criticise the director too much here. He/She may have put their heart and soul into this, after all. But, to me, it all appears to be a little lazy and lacks any real imagination.

But, that's just me. We are all different, and I'm sure others may like it. Not for me though.

Oh, and thinking of other singles without videos, 'Procession' is one. Shamberg did do one for 'Everything's Gone Green', but not for its partner. Maybe he thought that 'Procession' was a b-side (seen as if it was 'relegated' to that status on 'Substance 1987').

I haven't bothered to watch it so far, and I'm not sure I will. Take a song that came out fucking years ago, and give it to someone who's never had fuck all to do with it to impose some arty farty bollocks that have even less to do with it. 'Official'? That just means they get credito and publicity for doing the least fuck all of all. They probably ain't even watched it.

Re Fotz (fucking quote function's arsed it up again), Ceremony is the one with an Oriental guy in a box and then out of a box, used for the cover. Re Orange, I'd say the EGG vid counts for EGG/Prosexion. I like to meditate after sex. Just thinking outside the box. As I said, I view these things with my tongue in my other cheek cos they have fuck all to do with the period and actual band. They don't really count and are a poor substitute for newbies. I've always wondered why the original Blue Monday was never compiled after the song was so ubermilked and successful, and they had fucking shitloads of possibilties. Someone on these forums suggested it was cos of the dodgy military imagery, but I'm not convinced. Maybe it was just too clunky. I guess we'll never know.

Without the involvement of Michael Shamberg, the videos became a bit more like product. There have been some decent ones since (I like Restless, Singularity and both vid's for Tutti Frutti), but there have been far too many clunkers (PotHL, most of the Joy Division stuff, AoC. I think the Be a Rebel one is ok).

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The video for Ceremony created for A Collection/Item is a homeless Asian man in the subway. A still image was used for the cover of the DVD.

I also tend of think of the TOPT appearance for Thieves Like Us as the video.

The video for Shellshock is a collage of images from Pumped Full Of Drugs and the shoot for The Perfect Kiss. If they'd done a standard movie tie-in video using scenes from Pretty In Pink they might have scored a Top 40 hit over here.

The official video for EGG was done in February 2007. More stock footage.

I think Murder is retroactively considered a single, even though Factory proper didn't put it out. It came out on Benelux and was only available as an import. I'm not sure how you'd make a video for that without using 2001: A Space Odyssey and Caligula.

I'm not bothered by these new videos. Adding a visual element to the song to goose streaming revenue for the band isn't a bad thing. I'm sure they're done on a tight budget.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Take a song that came out fucking years ago, and give it to someone who's never had fuck all to do with it to impose some arty farty bollocks that have even less to do with it. 'Official'? That just means they get credito and publicity for doing the least fuck all of all. They probably ain't even watched it.

Very true.

Although I’m always happy for the band to generate revenue in any way they can (within reason), I’m not really a fan of these ‘new videos for old songs’. Although the ’lyric’ videos for ‘Blue Monday’ and the very recent ‘Closer’ tracks aren’t that imaginative, I think I prefer that approach to the ‘reimagined’’Unknown Pleasures’ and ‘AoC’ videos.

50poundnote wrote:

The official video for EGG was done in February 2007. More stock footage.

I think Murder is retroactively considered a single, even though Factory proper didn't put it out. It came out on Benelux and was only available as an import. I'm not sure how you'd make a video for that without using 2001: A Space Odyssey and Caligula. .

Well it was included on the Substance CD, which omitted a bunch of Bsides, including a 'proper' one (Mesh). Again, I'm not sure what kinda vid the could make, and I'd have the usual reservations, especially at this stage. Confusion was a tacky vid, but at least it caught a moment in the band's actual development. These things are pretty surplus. I don't give a fuck about them getting money, either. Given the fact their output makes J D Salinger look like the Beatles, they're fucking lucky to have the yachts and tanks.

TikTokPreview

What sounds like shit, looks like epilepsy and gives priests a boner? TikTok.

Andy wrote: TikTokPreview

I have no idea what is going on in that clip . Mind you I know nothing about TikTok . A girl dances to various short clips of NO tunes and a bloke behind flicks through large prints of the record sleeves?

Fotz wrote:

Andy wrote: TikTokPreview

I have no idea what is going on in that clip . Mind you I know nothing about TikTok . A girl dances to various short clips of NO tunes and a bloke behind flicks through large prints of the record sleeves?

Well TikTok is neither here nor there, as far as I can see.

I think that's a clip from Jimmy Fallon's talk show. Jimmy's "cards" have been covered over by NO sleeves (by a clever computer person) and the original music has been overdubbed with NO tracks.

So a NO fan has hijacked the original clip. My only complaint is that the AOC sound clip is too short.

On a side note, NO have officially joined TikTok recently, although I'd be surprised if the band members know much about it.

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Wait, John Travolta is a Venn diagram?

^ Oh i seeeee.....

I did notice the sleeves had been clever computered in but somehow still thought it was a genuine New Order thing on some tv show.Still don’t get why it was labelled as a “TikTok preview” thing though if it was posted on Twitter.What’s a TikTok preview?

I do know who Jimmy Fallon is though ( haven’t NO appeared on his show once?) so that’s something eh?

Edit: Apparently the dancer is someone called Addison Rae and the internet is not amused or something about her appearance on Fallon link

Fotz wrote: ^ Oh i seeeee.....

I did notice the sleeves had been clever computered in but somehow still thought it was a genuine New Order thing on some tv show.Still don’t get why it was labelled as a “TikTok preview” thing though if it was posted on Twitter.What’s a TikTok preview?

I do know who Jimmy Fallon is though ( haven’t NO appeared on his show once?) so that’s something eh?

Edit: Apparently the dancer is someone called Addison Rae and the internet is not amused or something about her appearance on Fallon link

The community is bemused by the announcement that New Order now has a TikTok account/channel (whatever the fuck it is). I saw this doctored clip on icedarpeggios Twitter, and thought I'd pass it off as a preview of the compelling content that we can expect from the unholy union.

I apologize for the distress I have caused.

Hooky live Q and A on IG today 5 pm...

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Hooky live Q and A on IG today 5 pm...

Been doing them every Tuesday for the best part of a year. Last week he talked about not wanting to be 65.

The J D Salinger of pop.

Retweeted by Gillian:

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What do you call a singer with four dogs? Sporty.

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Thanks for the 'heads up', D!

Good little interview that Chris Hawkins one . Hawkins asked some good questions. Look it up on catch up about 1 hour 40 in.

Yeah. It was good.

I especially liked how Sumner was particularly proud of Blue Monday. So he should be.

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

I’m guessing his 1980s was far more fun than mine.

He should own that. I know I would.

perspexorange wrote:

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

And it wasn't just the 1980's but not sure if their road of excess lead to the palace of wisdom though.

Without being puritanical, it probably lead to Gretton's and Wilson's early deaths, several marriage and family break ups, reckless business decisions (Fac & Hac), unprofessional live performances (ok it was funny at the time). It's the strangest business when you're given as much drink as you want before performing then paid as well.

I'm trying to remember which musician said he'd never seen so many drugs as back stage at New Order (USA tours). Lemmy?

OK, I'll get my slippers now.

tapebias wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

And it wasn't just the 1980's but not sure if their road of excess lead to the palace of wisdom though.

Without being puritanical, it probably lead to Gretton's and Wilson's early deaths, several marriage and family break ups, reckless business decisions (Fac & Hac), unprofessional live performances (ok it was funny at the time). It's the strangest business when you're given as much drink as you want before performing then paid as well.

I'm trying to remember which musician said he'd never seen so many drugs as back stage at New Order (USA tours). Lemmy?

OK, I'll get my slippers now.

John Lydon said on their tour together (USA 1989) that "New Order take more drugs than the Grateful Dead".

perspexorange wrote: Yeah. It was good.

I especially liked how Sumner was particularly proud of Blue Monday. So he should be.

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

I’m guessing his 1980s was far more fun than mine.

He should own that. I know I would.

Thought it was worth an upload to Yous Tubs so

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Yeah. It was good.

I especially liked how Sumner was particularly proud of Blue Monday. So he should be.

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

I’m guessing his 1980s was far more fun than mine.

He should own that. I know I would.

Thought it was worth an upload to Yous Tubs so

I remember listening to the show and Chris said he lives on the same street as Bernard

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I'm struggling to see anything that's 50% off. Have I misunderstood?

Scroll right down to bottom and click on Black Friday sale or try this Link

Edit: oh actually I can only see a few items that are 50% off. But the advert does say “Up” to 50% off.So not all then. In fact not much at all is 50% off.

Oh that reminds me, must get some of those PCL Xmas tree decorations. I keep thinking about getting some each year but never get round to it.

Fotz wrote: Scroll right down to bottom and click on Black Friday sale or try this Link

Edit: oh actually I can only see a few items that are 50% off. But the advert does say “Up” to 50% off.So not all then. In fact not much at all is 50% off.

Oh that reminds me, must get some of those PCL Xmas tree decorations. I keep thinking about getting some each year but never get round to it.

thanks for the reminder, the christmas stuff is cool.

might try to get some pins, cards, and assorted stuff this time around.

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Andy wrote:

tapebias wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

I was a bit disappointed that he regrets his ‘1980s excess’ though. I think the four of them (well, not really Gillian) filling up with booze and drugs probably contributed heavily to the art they created.

And it wasn't just the 1980's but not sure if their road of excess lead to the palace of wisdom though.

Without being puritanical, it probably lead to Gretton's and Wilson's early deaths, several marriage and family break ups, reckless business decisions (Fac & Hac), unprofessional live performances (ok it was funny at the time). It's the strangest business when you're given as much drink as you want before performing then paid as well.

I'm trying to remember which musician said he'd never seen so many drugs as back stage at New Order (USA tours). Lemmy?

OK, I'll get my slippers now.

John Lydon said on their tour together (USA 1993) that "New Order take more drugs than the Grateful Dead".

I think that was 1989, The Monsters Of Alternative Rock: PIL, New Order, Sugarpubes. My girlfriend's uncle was the sound engineer. Not the shit one. It always cracks me up how New Order go on about how many drugs they took and how many awesome influences they cite - then they come up with shite like Liar.

Wacky. Clicked on the thread and saw my post at the top of the page. Recognized my mistake straight away and edited it. Then scolled down to see you calling me out .

Sometimes you can be funny, Monkhouse.

I am fucking hilarious. And the people who disagree are always people who'd rather have their eyes gouged out than get up on stage themselves. 1989 was an awesome year for alternative music. Top albums from PIL, New Order, Sugarpubes, Siouxsie, Depeche and the Cure. And in the mainstrean, Macca, whose solo career is more up and down than my mother outside a church, finally hit it with Flowers in the Dirt and his first worldwide tour in a decade. What more do you want, apart from a Spice Girl and a shower attachment?

Andy wrote:

Sometimes you can be funny, Monkhouse.

He can.

I like having him around. Not that we have any choice, eh?

The board would be a little more dull without you, Michael.

Now don’t let it go to your head (ooh-er, Missus).

Oh, stop it. What're you like, eh?

perspexorange wrote:

Andy wrote:

Sometimes you can be funny, Monkhouse.

He can.

I like having him around. Not that we have any choice, eh?

The board would be a little more dull without you, Michael.

Now don’t let it go to your head (ooh-er, Missus).

Yeah agree, keeps us grounded with our obsessions. Nice to get an alternative take on things.

No more praise though, he’s had enough now. In fact we need someone to come on to say what a wanker he is to balance things up!

I think he is a total and utter fucking cunt.

The Shadow wrote: In fact we need someone to come on to say what a wanker he is to balance things up!

It's OK to say my name.

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The "most listened on Spotify this year" thing is all over social media nowadays, haven't seen NO among people in my feed yet though

Not the first time Gillian has had an accident like this. Please be careful!

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So there's this: ChappyTweet

it will still be a long time till we get some proper new music or maybe sooner than we think, lets see

Tom seems quite motivated writing wise at the moment (solo stuff, Sea Fever) so hoping he'll rub off on the rest of the band especially Bernard!

New video upload.

They forgot to do the "whoop" lyrics at around 3:17, 3:30 and 3:49.

Debaser wrote: New video upload.

They forgot to do the "whoop" lyrics at around 3:17, 3:30 and 3:49.

I hear this bit (around the 2m mark) as:

It stems from this first estrangement No one have I ever despised

not "sprung"

Andy wrote:

Debaser wrote: New video upload.

They forgot to do the "whoop" lyrics at around 3:17, 3:30 and 3:49.

I hear this bit (around the 2m mark) as:

It stems from this first estrangement No one have I ever despised

not "sprung"

Agreed. It’s definitely ‘stems’.

There’s one remix (can’t remember which one) where that bit is really clear and it also sounds like ‘disarrangement’ to me.

perspexorange wrote:

Agreed. It’s definitely ‘stems’.

There’s one remix (can’t remember which one) where that bit is really clear and it also sounds like ‘disarrangement’ to me.

Just checked. It's the Martin Buttrich remix, here (at around the 1m26s mark):

It certainly sounds like 'disarrangement' to me. Opinions?

Also, listening to that remix, I'm starting to wonder if the line that I always thought was 'a halo that covers my eyes' is actually 'a halo that colours my eyes'. Both lyrics would fit; one blocking his view, the other either skewing the image or making his eyes appear different.

Could I have been wrong all these years?

At least I'm not alone if I am; that lyric video says 'cover'. :-D

Just editing this post to state how much I bloody love this track. It still sounds modern, fresh and just damn awesome. One of the band's very best. Would love them to start performing it live again.

"stems" and "disarrangement" for me, Clive.

Fotz wrote: "stems" and "disarrangement" for me, Clive.

At least I'm not alone.

And where do you stand on the 'covers' / 'colours' issue?

Covers

Hmm, yeah, I thought that for years. That Buttrich remix has made me doubt myself though.

Live version. Do we trust 'live' Barney?

Jump to around 2:48.

I'm hearing a strong V in "covers" (almost sounds west-country, "cuvers")

I'm hearing "stems"

and yes Perspex, I'm hearing "disarrangement" rather than estrangement.

Mind you, sometimes Priming in our own heads can affect what we (think we) hear...

Debaser wrote: Do we trust 'live' Barney?

Never!

However, yeah, this pretty much seals that it's 'covers'. Or, at least, he decided to change it by the time they got to this gig, either permanently or on a whim.

Debaser wrote: (almost sounds west-country, "cuvers")

HaHa. yep. It does. O-right, my luvverrr!

Debaser wrote:

I'm hearing "stems"

In this live version, it almost sounds like 'spreads'. Well, to me it does, at least. Probably another example of Bernard changing lyrics on a whim.

But, yeah, I'm sure the studio version is 'stems', and I'm 99% sure it's 'disarrangement' rather than 'estrangement' (based on the Buttrich mix, which is much clearer).

Where they got 'sprung' from is anyone's guess though. I reckon they, rather than mishearing the word, just made a mistake when typing in the text. They meant to type 'stems' but ended up copying the word 'sprung' from the previous line ('Confusion sprung up from devotion').

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: "stems" and "disarrangement" for me, Clive.

At least I'm not alone.

And where do you stand on the 'covers' / 'colours' issue?

"Disarragement" and "covers", for me.

Good spot.

They're understandably getting a lot of grief regarding this ignorant tweet: NewOrderTwitter

Andy wrote: They're understandably getting a lot of grief regarding this ignorant tweet: NewOrderTwitter

D'oh!

Although I understand we all make mistakes, that's quite the clanger. You'd think the easy answer here would've been to check it out on Wikipedia etc. I'm thinking they may have seen the expanded edition of the LP on Spotify/Apple Music etc.

I suppose it's a bit of a dilemma. Do you appoint someone to monitor a band's social media profile who is media savvy, with years of experience? Or do you appoint a fan of the band who'd catch errors like this?

It's probably much easier with 'new' bands. Less history to mess up, plus there's a good chance that you'd get plenty of candidates who fit the joint roles of 'fan' and 'pro'.

Us old bastards who love the band, probably don't know a hashtag from a hash-brown. Or is that just me?

A monumental clanger, that.

For those who don't do twitter:

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and a couple of older posts:

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Cheers. Spotted the first one on Twitter yesterday, which I think is 'new'. I think the other two were originally posted a few months back, along with this one:

Interestingly, as mentioned by Steve, these are from the 23/05/79 gig rather than the more famous 14/03/79 one (which Whitehead filmed and Martin O'Neill took copies photos of).

As far as I know, there is only one other photo of this gig, which has Ian with a very weird facial expression:

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They put up another "official lyric" video from Procession which still has several mistakes in the lyrics.

Looks suspiciously like someone just googled the lyrics and did a cut/past job from a dodgy website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gNesiu56c

GotBlueEyes wrote: They put up another "official lyric" video from Procession which still has several mistakes in the lyrics.

Looks suspiciously like someone just googled the lyrics and did a cut/past job from a dodgy website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gNesiu56c

yes, it was discussed here: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5053

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"Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley

Via Mark Kavanagh @djmarkcavanagh on Twitter, during a Q&A with Stephen at yesterday's Hinterland Festival, Gillian is writing her memoir.

Hers is the one I most want to read.

50poundnote wrote: Via Mark Kavanagh @djmarkcavanagh on Twitter, during a Q&A with Stephen at yesterday's Hinterland Festival, Gillian is writing her memoir.

Hers is the one I most want to read.

Yeah - noticed this also. Good news indeed.

I wonder what she thought of all the bad behaviour by Messrs Sumner & Hook.

It will be interesting to see if she plans a little 'payback' on Hooky. I have to be honest - I really wouldn't blame her.

Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!

Andy wrote: "Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley

I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...

Andy wrote:

Andy wrote: "Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley

I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...

Sorry Andy. I forgot to respond to this.

I don't think the lyric videos have been particularly good, but the news items (rare as they are) haven't been too bad, so he's doing something right.

But, yeah, that is quite a few artists, so he might have his hands full. Maybe he farms things out to others too.

Fotz wrote: Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!

As we all know, she's a class act, so I'd be surprised if she really laid into him (even though I think she really should).

Here's hoping that there's a bit of fire shown from her, at least in a measured way.

And, most importantly, I want her to set the record straight. I'm not going to kid myself and say she was the driving force behind most of their records, but I'm positive that she made very significant contributions to these tracks.

And that's just the songs. She also did a tonne more:

touring; playing the gigs, sometimes with incredibly hostile (mostly) male audiences; doing the interview rounds; putting up with the bad behaviour of the other three and Rob;

and, in recent years, having to put with frankly horrible comments from Mr Hook about her contribution to the above.

Really looking forward to reading what she has to say.

perspexorange wrote:

Andy wrote:

Andy wrote: "Social Media Manager" for New Order: Joseph Eley

I suppose I should have elaborated on this. From his profile: "Social Media Manager for New Order, Joy Division, Hans Zimmer Live, The Fratellis, Yann Tiersen, ACR + loads more"

Perhaps he's spreading himself too thin...

Sorry Andy. I forgot to respond to this.

I don't think the lyric videos have been particularly good, but the news items (rare as they are) haven't been too bad, so he's doing something right.

But, yeah, that is quite a few artists, so he might have his hands full. Maybe he farms things out to others too.

The Procession being "...the third single from Movement..." tweet particularly bothered me. Partly due to the mistake, but mainly because after it was pointed out, it wasn't taken down/corrected.

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: Yay! We're finally going to get Gillian's side of the story! Can't wait. Give that Hooky twat what for, G!

As we all know, she's a class act, so I'd be surprised if she really laid into him (even though I think she really should).

Here's hoping that there's a bit of fire shown from her, at least in a measured way.

Yes I think I got a bit overexcited for a moment there and could and should have chosen my words better. I fully trust Gillian to say whatever she feels she wants and needs to say about Mr Hook and in her own very classy way.

temptation at ally pally 2018

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New Lyric video.

Album version of the track. 12" version of the artwork (sort of). Why be straightforward, eh?

New Order - Sub-culture (Official Lyric Video)

Debaser wrote: New Lyric video.

Album version of the track. 12" version of the artwork (sort of). Why be straightforward, eh?

New Order - Sub-culture (Official Lyric Video)

I think they made a nice job of this.

They didn't f**k up the lyrics (like they did on some previous videos) and I really liked the way they used the typography to recite the lyrics.

Just as an aside, that moment at 3:20 when Hook's bass kicks in is one of the greatest in musical history. No doubt.

Incidentally, anyone (Johnny James, perhaps) know why the single version swapped the 'view without a room' to 'room without a view'?

I presume John Robie tried to cover up the rather sloppy (but charming) vocal performance in the remix. Did he also make the decision to change the above line to make more sense?

I guess there's three possible scenarios:

A) they had already recorded two versions at the time of the LP and Robie used the alternate line in the remix; B) they re-recorded the vocals (at least in part) at the time of the remix; C) Robie spliced the lyrics from the LP version to swap ‘room’ and ‘view’ around.

I think C) seems unlikely and, with B), you'd think they'd've tidied up the vocal performance a bit better than they did (perhaps Bernard couldn't be arsed).

I am slightly bothered that they swapped them. I like the obtuseness of ‘view without a room’.

I wonder if there are versions sitting in the vaults that might partly explain what happened here. Maybe there's a second version, more akin to the LP version, with the 'view' / 'room' lyrics reversed. Maybe it'll be on the box set? :-)

Still, Sub-Culture (despite Robie's interference) is an absolute gem.

I would offer Option D). Too messed up on drugs to notice. I can handle the LP version but can't listen to the 12". Too much cocaine/kitchen sink production IMO. Wasn't there a bun fight with Robie and cakes thrown at him or was that a Hook myth? And Saville not liking it and refusing to design a sleeve?

tapebias wrote: I would offer Option D). Too messed up on drugs to notice. I can handle the LP version but can't listen to the 12". Too much cocaine/kitchen sink production IMO. Wasn't there a bun fight with Robie and cakes thrown at him or was that a Hook myth? And Saville not liking it and refusing to design a sleeve?

According to Hooky in his New Order book, Barney suggested they sabotage Robie's chair during a recording session. Hooky didn't get along with him so Robie seemed to hold him primarily responsible. At the dinner during the premiere of Pretty in Pink, Robie shoved a mushroom vol-au-vent into Hooky's face in retaliation.

When questioned about the lack of a sleeve design for Sub-Culture sleeve, Saville has said he simply was never asked to provide a design. My theory is that there was probably much debate on whether to pull a second single from an album (when they'd never had even one previously). Robie was known for working quickly, but perhaps they were worried Saville's legendary tardiness would cause delays that could push the release too far out (it came 6 months after Low-Life as it was).

perspexorange wrote: Incidentally, anyone (Johnny James, perhaps) know why the single version swapped the 'view without a room' to 'room without a view'?

I presume John Robie tried to cover up the rather sloppy (but charming) vocal performance in the remix. Did he also make the decision to change the above line to make more sense?

I guess there's three possible scenarios:

A) they had already recorded two versions at the time of the LP and Robie used the alternate line in the remix; B) they re-recorded the vocals (at least in part) at the time of the remix; C) Robie spliced the lyrics from the LP version to swap ‘room’ and ‘view’ around.

I think C) seems unlikely and, with B), you'd think they'd've tidied up the vocal performance a bit better than they did (perhaps Bernard couldn't be arsed).

I am slightly bothered that they swapped them. I like the obtuseness of ‘view without a room’.

I wonder if there are versions sitting in the vaults that might partly explain what happened here. Maybe there's a second version, more akin to the LP version, with the 'view' / 'room' lyrics reversed. Maybe it'll be on the box set? :-)

Still, Sub-Culture (despite Robie's interference) is an absolute gem.

I've no idea. Remixers often use parts that weren't used as they might still reside on the multitrack. John Robie won't have noticed most likely, and the band probably didn't either.

Johnny James wrote:

I've no idea. Remixers often use parts that weren't used as they might still reside on the multitrack. John Robie won't have noticed most likely, and the band probably didn't either.

Thanks. It does seem kind of likely that there might’ve been various vocal takes and Robie either accidentally or deliberately used a different part.

Full-length version. 17:30. I guess this answers the question as to whether the version on the new boxset is the 'newly uncovered' one that Hooky mentioned a couple of years back. Presumably, it isn't.

Kind of wish they'd played around with the images a bit. I think there were different photos used for the cassette, so would've been nice to see those used as well.

perspexorange wrote:

Full-length version. 17:30. I guess this answers the question as to whether the version on the new boxset is the 'newly uncovered' one that Hooky mentioned a couple of years back. Presumably, it isn't.

If I were a betting man I'd bet that either (a) he's talking balderdash or (b) it's something less finished/complete than this version.

TPK Bernard:

...was aided greatly by imbibing various pharmaceutical products

Not the first time he's said something like that. I remember back around the time of BM's release, he described it as a Pounds Shillings and Pence (LSD) track.

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"Up to 50% 0ff" Ha ha ha. Right. From what i can see, only 1(one) item has 50% off, the People On The High Line CD single. Very clever advertising.

From the official NO channel:

New Order - Shellshock [HD Upgrade]

Debaser wrote: From the official NO channel:

New Order - Shellshock [HD Upgrade]

I guess it's redundant, what with YouTube and all. But I would love an HD updated collection of all their videos on Blu-ray. They've done a few clips since A Collection and could include the "Turn" and "Everything's Gone Green" videos this time around. I'm actually surprised that a clip wasn't produced for "I'll Stay with You" (or anything from Lost Sirens) at the time, but maybe something new could emerge ala "Ceremony", "Temptation" and "Age of Consent".

...and I imagine there are other alternative versions (like the live version of "World") that could be included as well.

what a strange video to 'upgrade'.

i can't tell the difference. there were always supposed to be a lot of video artifacts in it, and video effects.

so is it really any better?

later -1

Alternates that they could include:

Blue Monday (original video, which I think Steve created) The Perfect Kiss (edited version from 'International' limited edition; although not really worth it as it's just an edit, I think) True Faith (alternate version from 'International' limited edition; which features a bit more Glasto footage) Round&Round (Patti version) Regret (Baywatch/TOTP version, which sometimes gets classed as an official video) World (The Price Of Love) (S. Hauger Radio Edit Remix Video; the 'live' one Andy mentions above) Round&Round-94 (not sure if this differs at all, but presumably has the 94 version of the song; featured on (the best) of VHS) True Faith-94 (the 94 version, which features clips from other promo videos; featured on (the best) of VHS) True Faith-94 (Perfecto Mix) (a longer version of the True Faith video, with additional scenes) Blue Monday-95 (Hardfloor Vocal Mix) (a longer version of the 95 video) Crystal (Gina Birch Version) Temptation-98 (live footage put to the 98 mix) Crystal (Leos Carax Version) Ceremony * Everything's Gone Green * Temptation * Turn (Napoli) * Turn (Tokyo)* Turn (Vienna) * People On The High Line (Claptone Remix)

* These were, I think all done around the same time by Michael Shamberg

^ Liked the use of a brief snippet of BLT bass for the bleeps.

Debaser wrote:

Great stuff!

Weirdly, the description for the video states:

“The promo interview is included in the Low-Life Definitive Edition boxset. Pre-order here”

This wasn’t announced previously. Error or late addition do you think? I’m guessing the former.

It's not on the box set. Just the PR dept getting it slightly wrong I suspect.

Johnny James wrote: It's not on the box set. Just the PR dept getting it slightly wrong I suspect.

Thanks Johnny. I suspected as much. Would've been strange to include it, considering the Movement and PC&L ones weren't one their respective sets.

Fotz wrote: ^ Liked the use of a brief snippet of BLT bass for the bleeps.

Not a big deal but couldn't they have used something album appropriate? The "Love Vigilantes" snare hit, something from the "The Perfect Kiss" intro or even the bell at the end of "Sunrise"...

Andy wrote:

Fotz wrote: ^ Liked the use of a brief snippet of BLT bass for the bleeps.

Not a big deal but couldn't they have used something album appropriate? The "Love Vigilantes" snare hit, something from the "The Perfect Kiss" intro or even the bell at the end of "Sunrise"...

Yes i also thought that. Odd they didn't use something from the Low Life era. How about the frogs!

BLT in Brotherhoods Collector Edition is broken in Deezer - wrong version, abrupt end, lol. https://www.deezer.com/en/album/243849 - Please help.

Charlie's Angel still Earthbound, working out to "Blue Monday": People.com

Lloyd Cole, Thom Yorke and Hooky: Tweets

I know a few of you here are on NewOrderTwitter. For the others, here's a link to Si's covers of the entire Movement album: BandCamp

He's doing "Ceremony" and "In a Lonely Place" next: Tweet

Andy wrote: Lloyd Cole, Thom Yorke and Hooky: Tweets

I don't want this page 9 post to be overlooked. I thought it was funny.

Ker-ching!

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EDIT: They re-did the tweet.

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Does anyone uses Tidal?

My brother-in-law recently added me to his plan, and while playing Technique I could notice a few slight glitches on the tracks, most notably on All the Way (at 2min52) and Round & Round (at the very beggining of the track).

Then I proceeded to download a 24-bit version and the glitches are there too, and at the end of the songs I'm under the impression they are vinyl rips?

Dunno what to think.

https://listen.tidal.com/album/51462429

Ceremony, procession, everything's gone green & temptation singles removed from Deezer. Please help.

Not sure where to post this. It's not new, but I just stumbled across it. This guy won some equipment in Hooky's auction and is putting it through the paces:

Really enjoyed that. thanks Andy.

Gotta love that synth bass.

Hooky and NO have reached an agreement...to sell T-shirts together on the NO website. (I don't think we have a Merch thread do we?)

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Someone on Hook's Facebook post said: "Hope you're getting a %-age Hooky". To which he got a reply: "We wouldn’t be promoting it if we weren’t on board with it" Oh and there's a similar interaction in the replies to the above tweets too.

Do I care about everyone making a nice little earner out of it? No, not really. But I imagine someone, somewhere will see this as a step towards reunion. Not me though. I think it's just about the 'cha-ching'.

It might just be me, but I feel the simple, text-free colour code design on the CALM "Blue Monday" t-shirt (despite the small credit on the bottom) is preferable to these. It reminds me of how QWEST/WB ruined Power, Corruption & Lies by adding the title to the cover.

That Shergold Marathon T-Shirt is a bit weird. He never played a white one during his time with band (and certainly not during the writing of Blue Monday).

That white one, along with stickers, is very much synonymous with his time with The Light.

Seems really strange to have it as a New Order t-shirt, especially one promoting Blue Monday as FAC73.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but noticed this today:

https://songexploder.net/new-order

The band feature in a podcast, talking about Blue Monday.

PS I rather like the artwork. Captures the band members' likenesses well, I think.

NotAMod wrote: The irony is the 2008 master on the much maligned Collector's Edition was/is fine, and it is difficult to tell the difference between it and the 2015 one. It was just the first pressing bonus discs that had the well-publicised issues.

Yet oddly, when I emailed Warner to get those replacement, corrected Collector's Edition CDs in 2008 (remember I had to send them photographs of the CDs to prove I had them), along with all the corrected bonus discs, I also got a corrected 'Technique' CD1 - I hadn't noticed anything wrong with it, but apparently it also needed fixing.

Bernard's had Covid, Stephen's had Covid, Hooky's got Covid. All we need now is confirmation that Gillian had Covid (or maybe she did and I missed it?). That would be the original 4 alll united in their Covid experience!

Covid is making a "comeback" at the moment. Don't say you weren't warned, fellow forumites!

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I'm fairly sure that Hook cancelled a gig that I was going to at Wolves Wulfren back in '97 (Monaco). Gig was rescheduled, iirc.

It may have been something other than ill health or, maybe, it was Pottsy or one of the others who were ill.

Anyone able to confirm this vague memory of mine? Was the Wolves Wulfren gig rescheduled? Looking online, date appears to be 15/09/97, but not sure if that was the original date or the rescheduled one.

"Ceremony" jazz trio cover: BassMagazine.com

It's actually quite good.

New Order - Blue Monday '88 (Official Music Video HD Upgrade). Can you tell?

Old tune, new upload and visualizer

New Order - True Faith (Remix)

interesting interview from bernard and mella dee from a few months ago:

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negative1 wrote: interesting interview from bernard and mella dee from a few months ago

Yes discussed in the Bernard & Mella Dee Riptide thread.

1963 HD upgrade uploaded by NO today. I can't say I was ever crazy about this video...

Debaser wrote: I can't say I was ever crazy about this video...

Me neither. I think the director was capitalising on the popularity of Absolutely Fabulous at the time.

I personally hated that show, so it probably coloured my judgement on the video somewhat.

All that being said, I rather loved the release of the single back in 1995. Although the remixes were pretty poor, it was great to hear this very different version of the song, with Hook's bass very prominently in the mix. Coupled with the new version of Let's Go on CD2, made for a fabulous one-two punch. Much better than most of the previous single releases which just contained mostly poor remixes and nothing 'new'.

I still think the original version of 1963 is the best though. I might be mistaken, but isn't the vocal for the '94 and '95 versions a little different to the original '87 take? For instance, check out the line 'Johnny came home with another wife'. Sounds lighter somehow.

Not sure if this has been mentioned but there's a New Order remix of Arcade Fire's "Age of Anxiety II (Rabbit Hole)" track doing the rounds.

Reportedly may see an official release at some point but for now you may be able to find it if you look around.

Not a bad mix. I wasn't across this AF track before but it's trademark Bernard output.

Chanel/MCR: ChanelOfficialInstagram.com

Revered fashion brand co-opting Factory, JD/NO and Manchester music history in general for an event in the city. Peter Saville is a guilty partner.

Manchester Evening News article: MEN.co.uk

depthcharge wrote: Not sure if this has been mentioned but there's a New Order remix of Arcade Fire's "Age of Anxiety II (Rabbit Hole)" track doing the rounds.

Reportedly may see an official release at some point but for now you may be able to find it if you look around.

Not a bad mix. I wasn't across this AF track before but it's trademark Bernard output.

Yes it has been mentioned before, as per this.

Can you be more precise about where to look?

PM'd.

Andy wrote: Chanel/MCR: ChanelOfficialInstagram.com

Revered fashion brand co-opting Factory, JD/NO and Manchester music history in general for an event in the city. Peter Saville is a guilty partner.

Manchester Evening News article: MEN.co.uk

This made the 10pm news on BBC1 last night (or Thursday?).

Some of you may have already seen this. So it's Phil and Gill, with - I think - Steve and Bernard (baseball cap) sat in front of them.

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However you may not have seen this. As 'rants' go, I think it's a reasonably well thought out and informative one. Click the pic.

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Perhaps some forumites from the general area would like to chime in?..

EDIT oh just found this too

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Debaser wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Not sure if this has been mentioned but there's a New Order remix of Arcade Fire's "Age of Anxiety II (Rabbit Hole)" track doing the rounds.

Reportedly may see an official release at some point but for now you may be able to find it if you look around.

Not a bad mix. I wasn't across this AF track before but it's trademark Bernard output.

Yes it has been mentioned before, as per this.

Can you be more precise about where to look?

yes I would love to hear it also, where can I find it

Linus Solanki wrote:

yes I would love to hear it also, where can I find it

Sent you a reply but your inbox is full.

Same with you negative 1.

Full inbox.

depthcharge wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote:

yes I would love to hear it also, where can I find it

Sent you a reply but your inbox is full.

Let me empty it

depthcharge wrote: Same with you negative 1.

Full inbox.

ok, deleted some emails, and archived the others.

hope that helps.

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When Marie Antoinette came out, I seem to remember it felt like a big deal that Ceremony was used in it. I watched Lost In Translation (again) a few months ago. Still good (and the recent accusations of xenophobia seem a little over-sensitive).

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Jeopardy question January 2, 2024

A question on Jeopardy last night.

Posted to YT today. Lotsa old info but some facts I hadn't heard before, likely from the books I haven't read yet

https://youtu.be/70LF-MIX1xw?si=fTwLr6oXekyKdYGb

(Sorry couldn't figure out how to embed the YT video - help wasn't very helpful)

This was a pretty reasonable watch. I especially liked the montage of very different cover versions at the end.

Thanks!

The Blue Monday Dance Challenge trend on TikTok: ThisIsDig.com

An article about the above. So if you're disgusted by this type of thing, you'll know not to click.

Lately their Instagram channel has been posting video clips. Yesterday it was the 2005 video for Temptation where the French girl shoplifts the 12" single. I kinda like that one.

50poundnote wrote: Lately their Instagram channel has been posting video clips. Yesterday it was the 2005 video for Temptation where the French girl shoplifts the 12" single. I kinda like that one.

Yes.

Their social media manager doesn't have anything new to offer, but still needs to earn his keep.

Andy wrote: Their social media manager doesn't have anything new to offer, but still needs to earn his keep.

Nothing wrong with keeping engagement up.

I'm very happy to see the numpties who keep whining about Peter Hook have largely stopped commenting. He's been gone 17 years now.

Doug bought Brotherhood? Ok I'm dfinitely voting Kamala now. How do I get a US passport?

After you've clicked the pic to see the NME article, If you click on the instagram post embedded within that article, it's actually a video, so you can see Doug taking the records out. Just in case you don't believe him.

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Great taste!

50poundnote wrote: Lately their Instagram channel has been posting video clips. Yesterday it was the 2005 video for Temptation where the French girl shoplifts the 12" single. I kinda like that one.

Not French! She's Swedish

That's Victoria Bergsman from The Concretes / Taken By Trees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria\_Bergsman

GotBlueEyes wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Lately their Instagram channel has been posting video clips. Yesterday it was the 2005 video for Temptation where the French girl shoplifts the 12" single. I kinda like that one.

Not French! She's Swedish

That's Victoria Bergsman from The Concretes / Taken By Trees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria\_Bergsman

In his defense, it's set in Paris.

The recording of Brotherhood:

Andy wrote: The recording of Brotherhood:

It's amazing--seeing all four of them in this context, even though they are not sitting together, it's so easy to visualize them all still getting along and working together. No sense of animosity. C'est la vie.

Subvulture wrote:

It's amazing--seeing all four of them in this context, even though they are not sitting together, it's so easy to visualize them all still getting along and working together. No sense of animosity. C'est la vie.

Can also imagine it's as if the band never restarted in 2011.

Gah! It’s horrible, isn’t it? To think of this group of people that mean so much to us, being in this current predicament.

It’s funny. I find myself not specifically wishing that the band would mend the rift (too much has, unfortunately, been said).

I just wish they’d never got into this predicament in the first place.

Stephen appears on the latest episode of Rockonteurs: RockonteursPodcastLinks

*Strangely, the YouTube link takes you to the Jon Bon Jovi episode. The Amazon one is correct but I've not checked the others. A voyage of discovery!

Andy wrote: Stephen appears on the latest episode of Rockonteurs: RockonteursPodcastLinks

*Strangely, the YouTube link takes you to the Jon Bon Jovi episode. The Amazon one is correct but I've not checked the others. A voyage of discovery!

Not watched it and I generally never find time to listen to podcasts, but I saw someone say online that he mentions a forthcoming Joy Division boxset - is this the Live Box that was talked about aaaaaages ago?

GotBlueEyes wrote: I saw someone say online that he mentions a forthcoming Joy Division boxset - is this the Live Box that was talked about aaaaaages ago?

Did he? Wow! I had downloaded it for later consumption but haven't had chance to listen to it yet.

That live boxset has been on the cards for several years now (think Hooky mention it in one of his lockdown Covid chats with his son). Would be nice if this finally materialises.

Considering Heart & Soul did a pretty good job of compiling the studio stuff, it does seem likely that any box-set would probably be based on live material. I've mentioned this many times, but really hope any box-set contains a DVD of the complete live stuff (inc. Plan K and the Apollo stuff that wasn't featured on HATYM).

Yeah mentions the JD Boxset, but doesn't go into any detail of contents or release date - I dread to think how much that might cost!!! Mentioned Gillian's book which sounded like it wouldn't be until Xmas '25. Also said no new music but would like to do at least a couple of tracks (before the end)!! Worth a listen though, Stephen as ever very entertaining - certainly knows his music!!

Andy wrote: Stephen appears on the latest episode of Rockonteurs: RockonteursPodcastLinks

*Strangely, the YouTube link takes you to the Jon Bon Jovi episode.

Is it actually on YouTube at all, or have they completely fooked it up?

Debaser wrote:

Andy wrote: Stephen appears on the latest episode of Rockonteurs: RockonteursPodcastLinks

*Strangely, the YouTube link takes you to the Jon Bon Jovi episode.

Is it actually on YouTube at all, or have they completely fooked it up?

I can only find a short teaser clip at the moment.

Debaser wrote:

Andy wrote: Stephen appears on the latest episode of Rockonteurs: RockonteursPodcastLinks

*Strangely, the YouTube link takes you to the Jon Bon Jovi episode.

Is it actually on YouTube at all, or have they completely fooked it up?

Weirdly the other links work, so you can listen on Spotify etc.

On YouTube now. Perhaps it just takes them more time to edit this video version as opposed to the other, audio only outlets.

State Of The Nation HD Upgrade:

perspexorange wrote: State Of The Nation HD Upgrade:

Such an odd single in their discography. My opinion on it goes back and forth - I like it but don't love it. Have they ever discussed why they sat on it for a year and a half?

Andy wrote:

Such an odd single in their discography. My opinion on it goes back and forth - I like it but don't love it. Have they ever discussed why they sat on it for a year and a half?

Not as far as I know. Will be really interested to hear the Japan Demo on the new boxset, to see how different it is.

When I first got into the band, there was a handful of songs I really didn't like; State Of The Nation, Face Up & Every Little Counts specifically spring to mind. I think I always felt they were all a little chaotic (ELC specifically because of the vocal performance).

But time is a great healer and, by the time that the really bad songs came out (Liar, Chemical, Slow Jam, Rock The Shack, Jetstream etc.), the above tracks seemed golden in comparison.

To be honest now, even if I don't compare them to worse tracks, I still really like them.

What I think is curious about State Of The Nation is that they pretty much reused the bass-line for Mr. Disco. Wonder why.

PS 'Shame' Of The Nation is a pretty decent remix, IMHO.

TPK at G-MEX Brotherhood Box Set sample:

Andy wrote: TPK at G-MEX Brotherhood Box Set sample:

F***ing Superb!

Is it possible to fall in love with this band any more than I already have? Yes. Yes it is.

“I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell!”

A reminder of what Bernard thinks of Donald Trump at 2:21, 2:46 and 3:05.

Well done America. Well done. ::Slow Hand Clap::

Is this worth starting a thread for? Maybe not. Is it worth a watch? Yes. Bernard on amusing form.

Oh and congrats to New Order on the award.

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That was great! Thanks for posting!

Old man makes a nuisance of himself in WH Smiths.

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Debaser wrote: Old man makes a nuisance of himself in WH Smiths.

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to be honest he deserves it to, all the years he was in NO, he contributed to all the music that made them famous, I doubt Rolling Stones even Listened to Music Complete to give the award, it was for all their hits in the 80s & 90s

I did wonder about this when the band received the award, as there was no mention of Hooky and photos and appearances at ceremonies were made without him.

To be fair, Rolling Stone might not have been at fault here. It could be that the band's management slipped up. Presumably RS contacted the 'New Order management' (as they presumably always do, rather than go direct to band members) and it's up to these agents to communicate with affected parties.

It appears that no one contacted Hooky, which is pretty bad, IMHO. Unless, Hooky's management was contacted by either RS or New Order's management and they didn't pass the message on. That seems unlikely though, as I'm sure they're looking out for specific instances of things like this.

Oh dear. This is the sort of thing that just prolongs the sorry mess that this has devolved into.

perspexorange wrote: I did wonder about this when the band received the award, as there was no mention of Hooky and photos and appearances at ceremonies were made without him.

To be fair, Rolling Stone might not have been at fault here. It could be that the band's management slipped up. Presumably RS contacted the 'New Order management' (as they presumably always do, rather than go direct to band members) and it's up to these agents to communicate with affected parties.

It appears that no one contacted Hooky, which is pretty bad, IMHO. Unless, Hooky's management was contacted by either RS or New Order's management and they didn't pass the message on. That seems unlikely though, as I'm sure they're looking out for specific instances of things like this.

Oh dear. This is the sort of thing that just prolongs the sorry mess that this has devolved into.

There likely was discussion with management regarding the group appearing to collect the award at the ceremony. Rolling Stone would most certainly be delighted if all the members appeared. But just as in a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame situation, there won't be agreement by the two parties to do that.

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I bought No's 1 & 3 "back in the day". No 2 passed me by at the time as I was living in a part of the world that didn't play much western pop music (and I was very young).

In the case of Kraftwerk, it was the '84 release with the Francois K remix, "AS FEATURED IN THE FILM 'BREAKDANCE'".

It's difficult to separate the lastest social media post from thoughts of the cover art of Republic: NewOrderInstagram

BM Hardfloor remix released 30 years ago - July 1995. New visualiser uploaded today.

New Order - Blue Monday-95 (Hardfloor Mix) [Visualiser]

Could they have done more with the movement of the visualiser? I thought my screen was buffering.

Debaser wrote: BM Hardfloor remix released 30 years ago - July 1995. New visualiser uploaded today.

New Order - Blue Monday-95 (Hardfloor Mix) [Visualiser]

Could they have done more with the movement of the visualiser? I thought my screen was buffering.

They certainly could have. But more investedment may have resulted in the clip losing money every time someone viewed it.