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Just a gentle bump on this thread.
Thanks to a very generous soul, I've managed to strike off another six programmes that were on the above list. I've now amended this to reflect my 'current wants'.
If anyone is able to help out, please get in touch.
Similarly, if anyone is after a radio or TV programme featuring the band, please just drop me a PM. I will probably be able to help you out.
Just a gentle bump, with my amended 'wants' listed above.
Thanks to forum members, I'm ticking these off slowly but surely.
I remember circa 1991 there was a radio one show about indie music and they said, We've kept the best till last with an interview with indie's most successful band, New Order. Turned out to be five minutes with just Morris.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: I remember circa 1991 there was a radio one show about indie music and they said, We've kept the best till last with an interview with indie's most successful band, New Order. Turned out to be five minutes with just Morris.
Hmmm. Interesting. I'm not sure I know about that one. I have something logged as:
'Newsbeat', BBC Radio 1, 09/09/91 (Morris) (5 minutes)
It could be that, I guess. Sadly, I don't have it.
Yeah, probably that. You didn't miss much - very short and he actually informed listeners he used to be in JD but was now in NO. Another BBC scoop. There was also a tiny beeb interview with Hooky in 1994 where he said he stayed with Factory cos he was a pisshead. Sometimes they made monumental mistakes; sometimes they made monuments.
Incidentally, is that the Oasis one where they take the piss out of Hooky so he says they can forget about going down the Hassie and they say, 'I wouldn't wanna go down there anyway. It's shit'? I read about that. Not an Oasis fan, but after that I was tempted. I always thought Buzz Gum sounded like Oasis.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Incidentally, is that the Oasis one where they take the piss out of Hooky so he says they can forget about going down the Hassie and they say, 'I wouldn't wanna go down there anyway. It's shit'? I read about that. Not an Oasis fan, but after that I was tempted. I always thought Buzz Gum sounded like Oasis.
Yep - 'Hit The North' on BBC Radio 5, 11/08/93.
I think the full broadcast of this is actually 'lost' (or, at least, not in the hands of fans). I think Oasis fans were looking for it for years, as it contains a very early radio session.
Anyway, it eventually turned up up, but as a partial recording. See this link and description:
"In Lee Henshaw's book "Oasis" (1996) it is said that the BBC has since lost the master tape to this recording.
This recording was transferred from an in-house cassette tape from the bands management, and is not an off-air recording. This means that the DJs (Peter Hook from New Order!) microphone is almost inaudible for the interview, as the . The general sound quality is excellent though.
The session was engineered by Mark Coyle and Ian Eastwood (Stone Roses) at Noel Gallagher's request, as this was their first ever radio session. 'I Will Believe' from this session later got used as a b-side to the 'Supersonic' single, and 'Bring It On Down' was a b-side on the 'Shakermaker' single. The rest is super rare, and has only been sourced from this tape."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nw61DijiKU
So Hooky is basically inaudible, but you can hear the various Hook/Haçienda jibes from about 9:30 onwards.
Obviously i'd be keen to hear the Hooky bits, so if anyone has it, please let me know. Someone must've taped it somewhere... Even if it was just for the wonderful Mark & Lard.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Incidentally, is that the Oasis one where they take the piss out of Hooky so he says they can forget about going down the Hassie and they say, 'I wouldn't wanna go down there anyway. It's shit'? I read about that. Not an Oasis fan, but after that I was tempted. I always thought Buzz Gum sounded like Oasis.
Agree on Buzz Gum. They seemed to be putting a foot onto the Oasis bandwagon there. Another one of the weaker tracks from the album for me is Billy Bones, which sounds like they were going for a Joy Division-style moody dirge. Suspicions were confirmed when I saw them live at The Fillmore in San Francisco on that tour. At the end of them playing that song, Pottsy said "Sorry Ian".
Oh God, did he really say that? Embarrassing. Watching Wings 1977. Can't fathom the hatred for this band. They gathered a stream of hits including a record breaker, the gigs were epic and Band on the Run is cuntender for best solo Beatles album. Awesome
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Oh God, did he really say that? Embarrassing. Watching Wings 1977. Can't fathom the hatred for this band. They gathered a stream of hits including a record breaker, the gigs were epic and Band on the Run is cuntender for best solo Beatles album. Awesome
Yes. Another cringeworthy part of the gig was the encore of Warsaw's Failures. Otherwise, the concert was really quite good.
Thanks for that Oasis link. Sadly Hooky is barely audible and I thought they actually said, 'I wouldn't wanna go down there anyway. It's shit,' but I just got 'arsed' (don't take that out of context). Still pretty ballsy considering they were unknown, Hooky had a tough guy reputation and this was the height of that 'most important group since the Beatles' rubbish. Respect.
Michael Monkhouse wrote: I thought they actually said, 'I wouldn't wanna go down there anyway. It's shit,' but I just got 'arsed'
Yeah - I thought that too. Perhaps it was referenced in an article somewhere and the person relaying the story was doing it from memory.
Yeah but they're still fucking awesome in that clip. Hooky needed taking down. Hadn't done a decent album in fucking years.
Not a radio clip but i was going through a load of old VHS tapes the other day to see if i had anything previously forgotten.Found a recording of the NME awards 2006 ( i was still recording stuff using VHS and a video recorder in 2006?? WTF? But yep, it seems i was!) and found Hooky presenting some award and being his usual arsey self and saying some stuff about how nobody buys records anymore and then presenting the award to Kaiser Chiefs because the actual award winners Suede couldn't be arsed to turn up.Then some idiot singer from The Cribs jumps onto the table (and sustains himself a serious injury in doing so if i remember correctly ) and Russell Brand asks the up their own arses indie music industry hangers on audience who he should actually give the award to or something blah blah blah who cares.Anyway, if you want the clip i have an old VHS player and the technology to transfer it to digital and by means of 21st tech wizadry to whip it across to yers, perspex! Let me know
You certainly know how to sell a product. Who could resist after that? Not a bad list for 'the band that never does interviews'.
Fotz wrote: Anyway, if you want the clip i have an old VHS player and the technology to transfer it to digital and by means of 21st tech wizadry to whip it across to yers, perspex! Let me know
Many thanks for the offer, Fotz.
I do have a copy of this, but it's pretty poor and, for reasons unknown to me, is in portrait. I'm wondering if it's been filmed by someone off a TV screen using their camera. It might just be me - I'm not very IT savvy when it comes to video file formats. Maybe I could tweak it and make it landscape?
I've uploaded it here:
Maybe you could take a look and, if you think your copy is better quality and if it isn't too much trouble, I'd love a copy. I'm always looking for upgrades (especially to weirdly formatted things like my version of the clip).
Cheers for the offer either way. Appreciated.
^ My copy maybe a little better than that but not really enough to be worth doing. Wouldn’t make much difference apart from it being in landscape not portrait.
OK. Quite a few more ticked off, so a small bump with my edited list:
I've now almost recovered all of the interviews I lost. I just need five more, which I've marked with a (***) on my master list of 'wants' below.
If anyone can help me with either the (***) items or any on the below list, I would be massively grateful.
xx/03/1983 - 'The Jeff Cooper Show', BBC Radio Manchester, 03/83 (band introduce the first play of 'Blue Monday') 10/05/1985 - 'Round Table', BBC Radio 1, 10/05/85 (TPK review) (6 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (30 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Telephone Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (5 minutes) xx/xx/1986 - Feature, Radio Scorpio, 1986 (4 x 60 minute episodes) xx/07/1986 - Interview, Manchester Radio, 07/86 (5 minutes) 12/02/1987 - Auckland Radio, 12/02/87 (Hook) 07/08/1987 - 'Jed The Fish', KROQ-FM, Pasadena, 07/08/87 (Hook) xx/08/1987 - WFNX Boston, 08/87 (Hague) 13/08/1987 - Capital Radio, 13/04/87 (Morris & Gilbert) 23/01/1989 - French Radio, 23/01/89 (15 minutes) 21/03/1989 - 'The Mark Findlay Show', Aberdeen Radio, 21/03/89 (Hook)
18/05/1990 - 'Joy Division Special', DT64 (East Germany), 18/05/90 (120 minutes) 21/05/1990 - 'BBC Look North', 21/05/90 (5 minutes) 17/06/1990 - 'The Bill Shaw Show', NorthSound Radio, Aberdeen, 17/06/90 (Hook) (***) 09/09/1991 - 'Newsbeat', BBC Radio 1, 09/09/91 (Morris) xx/11/1991 - BBC Radio 1 (Morris & Gilbert), 11/91 (2 minutes) xx/11/1991 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/91 (Morris & Gilbert) xx/12/1991 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, 12/91 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 29/01/1992 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 29/01/92 (Hook & Potts) (Revenge) 20/03/1992 - 'Bite The Wax', Radio Scotland, 20/03/92 (Wilson) (***) 15/09/1992 - BBC Radio 1, 15/09/92 (5 minutes) xx/xx/1992 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, Late 1992 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 06/02/1993 - 'Kaleidoscope - Manchester RIP?', BBC Radio 4, 06/02/93 (Feature on Factory) xx/05/1993 - KROQ-FM Radio, 05/93 (1 minute) 19/05/1993 - 'Hit The North - Cook With Hook', BBC Radio 5 Live, 19/05/93 (Hook) 01/06/1993 - 'Cult Radio', BBC Radio 5 Live, 01/06/93 ("New Order re-invent The War of the Worlds") 11/08/1993 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/08/93 (Hook) (Hook presenting - Oasis session) 30/12/1993 - BBC Radio 1, 30/12/93 (Hook presenting) (***) 10/11/1994 - 'Soundbite', BBC Radio 1, 10/11/94 (retospective) 18/12/1994 - 'The Art of Noise - Part 3: Electric Dreams', BBC Radio 1,18/12/94 (Hook features) 18/05/1995 - 'Les Inrockuptibles' French Radio, 18/05/95 (JD biography)
Following the Countdown footage in NO Spotting (Did Countdown change its name from/to Veronica's Countdown?)...I'm reminded of a couple of NO memories from... when I was a very small boy.
First was a TV memory from about 83 or 84. A Dutch TV show had Bernard and Hooky on. The two of them did a crappy version of BM and I think, another track. This was then shown on UK TV in a couple of separate clips/chunks ("We have footage from Holland"). I think it may have been shown on a late night edition of C4's The Tube. The Tube was usually on around dinner time on a Friday evening. But I remember them doing a late night epsiode so that they could show the "banned" Relax video by Frankie. And they may have done more than one late night episode. Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?
The other is a radio memory. BBC R1 I reckon. A documentary thing which I think was presented by Janice Long (RIP) in either the late 80's or early 90s. I think I remember Long talking about the name change from JD to NO (with political undertones) and the use of "fascist imagery" created by Saville and that it was "too much" for some people. I also seem to remember a lot of Hooky being used as part of the interview snippets that peppered the documentary. Even back then Hooky seemed to be the 'talky' one.
NO TV performances and radio documentaries seemed so rare to me back then that they're kinda the only ones I remember (along wth BM on TOTPs). So I don't think my mind invented this stuff. Anyone?..
Debaser wrote: Following the Countdown footage in NO Spotting (Did Countdown change its name from/to Veronica's Countdown?)...
I've never fully got to the bottom of this. As far as I know, 'Countdown' was hosted on a TV channel which was part of the 'Veronica' TV/radio network in the Netherlands.
It may well have been called 'Veronica's Countdown' at some point in time (maybe they shortened the name over time) or it could just be a nickname, i.e 'Countdown' on 'Veronica' effectively.
I've recently got hold of the complete programme from 05/06/83 (the Blue Monday appearance) and the title credits state just 'Countdown'. However, the host introduces it by saying something along the lines of (in Dutch) "Welcome to 'Countdown', pop music by 'Veronica' on TV". Something like that, anyway.
Debaser wrote: ...a radio memory. BBC R1 I reckon. A documentary thing which I think was presented by Janice Long (RIP) in either the late 80's or early 90s. I think I remember Long talking about the name change from JD to NO (with political undertones) and the use of "fascist imagery" created by Saville and that it was "too much" for some people. I also seem to remember a lot of Hooky being used as part of the interview snippets that peppered the documentary. Even back then Hooky seemed to be the 'talky' one.
I think this is the two-part radio documentary that was broadcast in 1988 called 'Substance'. There were two parts to this called 'I Remember When We Were Young' (the Joy Division years) and 'Now That We've Grown Up Together' (the New Order years). It was narrated by Janice Long and broadcast on 03/03/88 and 05/03/88 respectively.
Here are the radio listings from the (excellent) BBC Genome site:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/9482ab2c0f9f4e1ea2f6cb087088a059 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/8c2721e8349c4f14953242dddc20f353
There's discussion of the new name and fascist imagery in part 2, around the 14-15 minute mark. If you want to have a listen, just let me know and I'll wing over a copy.
Listening to it just now, this is definitely the interview you're talking about; "too much for some people", Saville discussing imagery etc.
Debaser wrote: Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?
Wow! No. Never heard of this at all! Really interesting. How on Earth were they able to do this (it needed a fair amount of faffing around with various synths / discs etc.) and, more to the point, why weren't S&G involved? Very strange indeed. I'm really interested in this, as this has completely passed me by. Any other memories?
Debaser wrote: did a crappy version of BM and I think, another track.
Thinking about it, they did do 'Blue Monday' plus another track (Age Of Consent) on another TV programme back in the day:
'Switch' on Channel 4 on 01/04/83.
I'm sure you know about this already and it probably isn't the same, but thought I'd mention it in case you weren't aware. I seem to think that 'Switch' was on late at night and, if I remember correctly, had some connection to The Tube (same producers maybe).
However, as you probably know, this was a 'full band' performance. Not just Bernard and Hooky.
Here it is:
perspexorange wrote:
As far as I know, 'Countdown' was hosted on a TV channel which was part of the 'Veronica' TV/radio network in the Netherlands...
...I've recently got hold of the complete programme from 05/06/83 (the Blue Monday appearance) ... the host introduces it by saying something along the lines of (in Dutch) "Welcome to 'Countdown', pop music by 'Veronica' on TV". Something like that, anyway.
Ok, ta. Certainly if you google Veronica's Countdown you get lots of YT suggestions like, Bowie on Veronica's Countdown 1987, U2 on Veronica's Countdown 1982 etc...
perspexorange wrote:
I think this is the two-part radio documentary that was broadcast in 1988 called 'Substance'. There were two parts to this called 'I Remember When We Were Young' (the Joy Division years) and 'Now That We've Grown Up Together' (the New Order years). It was narrated by Janice Long and broadcast on 03/03/88 and 05/03/88 respectively.
Here are the radio listings from the (excellent) BBC Genome site:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/9482ab2c0f9f4e1ea2f6cb087088a059 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/8c2721e8349c4f14953242dddc20f353
There's discussion of the new name and fascist imagery in part 2, around the 14-15 minute mark. If you want to have a listen, just let me know and I'll wing over a copy.
Listening to it just now, this is definitely the interview you're talking about; "too much for some people", Saville discussing imagery etc.
Bingo! I wasn't sure if it had been covered by your extensive lists. In fact I was going to mention that I thought it was on a Saturday afternoon, and so it was! Maybe my memory isn't too bad after all! If I had more hard-drive room I'd seek a copy from you for nostalgic reasons. Maybe someone needs to put these things on YouTube or Soundcloud? (not me though, I couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!)
perspexorange wrote:
Debaser wrote: Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?
Wow! No. Never heard of this at all! Really interesting. How on Earth were they able to do this (it needed a fair amount of faffing around with various synths / discs etc.) and, more to the point, why weren't S&G involved? Very strange indeed. I'm really interested in this, as this has completely passed me by. Any other memories?
Well I did say it was a crappy version of BM! I don't think it was a 7 minute one either. I remember telling a school friend about it and that the "guitar guy" looked a bit tough in his biker jacket. So Hooky must have been wearing the leather jacket. I don't think they were on a stage, just a studio floor, mostly in darkness apart from Barney and Hooky in close proximity under lights, surrounded by lots of synths. Possibly no studio audience.
perspexorange wrote:
Thinking about it, they did do 'Blue Monday' plus another track (Age Of Consent) on another TV programme back in the day:
'Switch' on Channel 4 on 01/04/83.
I'm sure you know about this already and it probably isn't the same, but thought I'd mention it in case you weren't aware. I seem to think that 'Switch' was on late at night and, if I remember correctly, had some connection to The Tube (same producers maybe).
However, as you probably know, this was a 'full band' performance. Not just Bernard and Hooky.
Hmm, I'd forgotten about the existence of Switch. Not sure if I saw that performance at the time. But no leather jacket for Hooky and eh 'too much' S&G for it to be the performance I'm thinking of. Also I'm pretty sure it was Dutch/European. In fact the first time the Countdown footage appeared on YT I kinda expected it to be the Barney/Hooky thing, but it wasn't.
perspexorange wrote:
Any other memories?
Cringing at Baywatch Regret so hard I thought my insides were gonna curdle and shit themselves out. Does that count? (Also it's not proper TOTPs if they're on a beach in California!)
^ Never heard of Barney and Hooky just the two of them doing BM live on some tv show.Doesn't ring any bells .Not to say it never happened but i never heard of it.
I always think of Countdown as Veronica's Countdown because old Video and cassette lists for NO back in the day listed it as Veronica's Countdown.
I remember the 2 part Radio 1 thing called Substance but not heard it for years.It was the late great Janice Long who presented (RIP) ? All i remember is one part was on a Saturday early afternoon.
I vaguely remember Switch when it was on tv but for some reason i never watched it, only that i was aware it was a music show that was on Fridays (teatime slot?) when The Tube was off air.I always watched The Tube but i never watched Switch.Odd eh? So i never saw NO's performance on it until i got hold of a VHS tape of it from a work colleague a couple of years later
Debaser wrote:
Well I did say it was a crappy version of BM! I don't think it was a 7 minute one either. I remember telling a school friend about it and that the "guitar guy" looked a bit tough in his biker jacket. So Hooky must have been wearing the leather jacket. I don't think they were on a stage, just a studio floor, mostly in darkness apart from Barney and Hooky in close proximity under lights, surrounded by lots of synths. Possibly no studio audience.
...I'm pretty sure it was Dutch/European. In fact the first time the Countdown footage appeared on YT I kinda expected it to be the Barney/Hooky thing, but it wasn't.
i'm really intrigued by this now.
Gonna do some checking around, but this is completely unknown to me (which is, if I do say so myself, fairly incredibly, given my penchant for anally-retentive JD/NO facts ![[:d]](/emoticons/biggrin.gif){kind=small}
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Wow! I wanna see this now.
I will say though that, every now and again, something does turn up that I'm unaware of and these are mostly from outside of the UK. One thing I've been after for years(!) is an interview with Bernard, Hooky and Rob at a charity football match that was on a programme called 'Villa Tempo' on Belgian TV on 27/01/86. It's proved pretty elusive (I did get an audio only version of it last year, but it's not really the same - I really want to see the three of them playing footy!).
Given that the 'Blue Monday' performance you mention is live, and given that it's a bit of a 'car crash' of a performance, it seems incredible that this footage hasn't appeared on YouTube yet. Fingers crossed that it soon does.
Debaser wrote:
Cringing at Baywatch Regret so hard I thought my insides were gonna curdle and shit themselves out. Does that count? (Also it's not proper TOTPs if they're on a beach in California!)
HaHa. Yeah. I know what you mean, although I did kind of love that performance. I always used to find some of Steve's interviews fairly embarrassing, with him wittering on about pizzas or something similarly inane Now I find them endearing when watching back.
One other cringeworthy interview that springs to mind is that Bernard/Hooky interview from 'Les Enfants du Rock' where the former is basically really pissed off and completely switched off from the conversation. He looked like he was going to hit the interviewer... once he'd got over his hangover.
I recently found an interview from New Zealand TV where the moronic interviewer pretty much accuses them of being Nazis and juxtaposed that with being the only white act on a black label (Qwest, presumably). Very crass and pretty painful to watch. Hooky and Steve (mainly the former) had the good grace to not rise to the obvious baiting.
^ Yes, things do turn up occasionally that are a surprises to lifelong fans.It wasn't until the mid 2000s that i beccame aware of that German tv show when they performed Thieves Like Us on the side of a lorry.I'd never heard of it let alone see it before then.Same thing with Regret on some Dutch tv show in 1993.I was completely oblivious to its existence until you sent me your list and then the clip a a few years back, perspex.
Fotz wrote: It wasn't until the mid 2000s that i beccame aware of that German tv show when they performed Thieves Like Us on the side of a lorry.I'd never heard of it let alone see it before then.
Yeah. Me too. That had completely passed me by until around the same time as you. 'Musik Convoy' on 16/04/84. I don't remember it being traded amongst fans back in the 80s and 90s (else I'd have had a copy), so only really hit 'trading circles' around the time of YouTube etc. I've got a number of 'trade lists' from back in the day and I don't think any of them list it.
Fotz wrote: Same thing with Regret on some Dutch tv show in 1993.I was completely oblivious to its existence until you sent me your list and then the clip a a few years back, perspex.
Yep - that was also 'Countdown' (27/04/93). Their only other appearance on that programme, as far as I know (although they definitely repeated a clip of 'Blue Monday' on at least one other show).
Debaser wrote: I remember telling a school friend about it and that the "guitar guy" looked a bit tough in his biker jacket. So Hooky must have been wearing the leather jacket. I don't think they were on a stage, just a studio floor, mostly in darkness apart from Barney and Hooky in close proximity under lights, surrounded by lots of synths. Possibly no studio audience.
By your description, I'm just reminded of this performance, also from Dutch / Belgian TV ('Pop Elektron', 25/05/84):
Hooky in leather jacket; Mostly in darkness; Studio floor; No studio audience etc.
I know this is a performance of 'Thieves Like Us', not 'Blue Monday', but just wondered whether they actually recorded a version of Blue Monday too, but this either wasn't shown on that programme or just hasn't leaked to the internet yet. Maybe 'The Tube' got hold of both tracks and showed both of them at some point. Just a thought.
It doesn't really explain why The Other Two wouldn't be present for 'Blue Monday' though.
It certainly sounds like a completely separate performance. Man, I really want to see this now.
Debaser wrote: Following the Countdown footage in NO Spotting (Did Countdown change its name from/to Veronica's Countdown?)...I'm reminded of a couple of NO memories from... when I was a very small boy.
First was a TV memory from about 83 or 84. A Dutch TV show had Bernard and Hooky on. The two of them did a crappy version of BM and I think, another track. This was then shown on UK TV in a couple of separate clips/chunks ("We have footage from Holland"). I think it may have been shown on a late night edition of C4's The Tube. The Tube was usually on around dinner time on a Friday evening. But I remember them doing a late night epsiode so that they could show the "banned" Relax video by Frankie. And they may have done more than one late night episode. Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?
The other is a radio memory. BBC R1 I reckon. A documentary thing which I think was presented by Janice Long (RIP) in either the late 80's or early 90s. I think I remember Long talking about the name change from JD to NO (with political undertones) and the use of "fascist imagery" created by Saville and that it was "too much" for some people. I also seem to remember a lot of Hooky being used as part of the interview snippets that peppered the documentary. Even back then Hooky seemed to be the 'talky' one.
NO TV performances and radio documentaries seemed so rare to me back then that they're kinda the only ones I remember (along wth BM on TOTPs). So I don't think my mind invented this stuff. Anyone?..
Considering that Blue Monday required a change of floppy discs during the song back then, it's unlikely a two man version would be possible. This is in addition to the synth bits The Other Two would be performing. Unless someone offstage was doing these things (they weren't miming back then), I say it's more likely the cameras were merely focusing on Bernard and Hooky, and that's what stayed in your memory.
