Radio Interviews / Audio Documentaries etc.

perspexorange wrote:

Hooky in leather jacket; Mostly in darkness; Studio floor; No studio audience etc.

Good effort. Just erase the other two (!) and you might have me convinced.

Andy wrote:

Considering that Blue Monday required a change of floppy discs during the song back then, it's unlikely a two man version would be possible. This is in addition to the synth bits The Other Two would be performing. Unless someone offstage was doing these things (they weren't miming back then), I say it's more likely the cameras were merely focusing on Bernard and Hooky, and that's what stayed in your memory.

The bit I'm sure of is that the presenter said they had two members of the band in to perform - and it wasn't S&G (cos one of the performers was the singer and the other one had a bass guitar, a beard and a leather jacket) If I've got something wrong here it could be the track. I'm not saying I have got the track wrong, but I distinctly remember the (European/Dutch) presenter telling us which members of NO were there to perform. Maybe they only performed BM up to the point where you have to change the floppy. Also it wasn't a live broadcast. Could they have recorded two takes: pre and post floppy change?

Debaser wrote:

The bit I'm sure of is that the presenter said they had two members of the band in to perform - and it wasn't S&G (cos one of the performers was the singer and the other one had a bass guitar, a beard and a leather jacket)

Really, really interesting.

Debaser wrote:

Maybe they only performed BM up to the point where you have to change the floppy. Also it wasn't a live broadcast. Could they have recorded two takes: pre and post floppy change?

I don’t know. But my new mission in life is to find out exactly what this is. It sounds bloody awesome!

I've done some asking around and it's been suggested to me that there was a Dutch clip shown on an episode of 'The Tube'. The episode in question was the 'A Midsummer Night's Tube' programme from 24/06/83, which was a four-hour marathon programme. This was presumably (at least partially) broadcast later than the usual slot, which is line with your memory, Debaser.

However, it's also been suggested that this was the 'Countdown' clip.

Sadly, I can't find the episode online. I've asked the guy who's posted a load of 'Tube' episodes to YouTube if he could post this, but no response as yet.

It might not be the same thing as what you've mentioned but, at the very least, it would be good for you to see it (including how the clip was introduced etc.) and rule it out once and for all.

perspexorange wrote: I've done some asking around and it's been suggested to me that there was a Dutch clip shown on an episode of 'The Tube'. The episode in question was the 'A Midsummer Night's Tube' programme from 24/06/83, which was a four-hour marathon programme. This was presumably (at least partially) broadcast later than the usual slot, which is line with your memory, Debaser.

Sounds plausible.

perspexorange wrote: I've asked the guy who's posted a load of 'Tube' episodes to YouTube if he could post this, but no response as yet.

You think/hope he might have stuff on tape or hard drive that's never been on YT?

perspexorange wrote:

It might not be the same thing as what you've mentioned but, at the very least, it would be good for you to see it (including how the clip was introduced etc.) and rule it out once and for all.

Sure! Hit me!

BTW You know the way we've seen one quarter of NO do The Happy One, but it probably isn't as good as all 4 quarters of NO? May I also suggest that half of NO also isn't as good as a whole NO? If this clip does turn up, I don't want you to get too excited...

Oh re 'A Midsummer Night's Tube', there is this choppy trailer for June 1984. And at 2:24 they mention Frankie's Relax (at 1am cos it's so naughty!). No mention of NO in the trailer (Is that Lesley Ash at 1:48?). However the Wikipedia page for The Tube does list NO as one of The Tube's "selected performers", near the bottom. Do we have any hive-mind knowledge of NO performing on The Tube? (oh yeah we do in '86) Oh also Tony Wilson is mentioned for the 2006 radio revival. If NO had played live/session on there we'd know wouldn't we? The Wikipedia page also says "In July 2008 ITN (rights holder for The Tube) signed a deal with MUZU TV to make The Tube available online".

Debaser wrote:

You think/hope he might have stuff on tape or hard drive that's never been on YT?

Well he must have access to the Channel 4 archive, as the episodes he’s posted have definitely come from archives rather than off-air broadcasts (based on the time clocks etc.). He’s posted all the regular episodes (or pretty much anyway) sequentially by season. There’s a possibility he wasn’t aware of the one-off ‘specials’. Hopefully, if he sees my comment, he might try and dig out the episode from the archive. If he still has access, of course.

Debaser wrote:

Oh re 'A Midsummer Night's Tube', there is this choppy trailer for June 1984.

Think there were Midsummer editions in both 1983 and 1984. I think I saw the opening for the ‘83 edition online earlier today and, again, they don’t list New Order as being on it. However, as it was 4 hours of stuff, I guess they probably couldn’t list everything. Maybe they only listed the stuff recorded by ‘The Tube’ and didn’t really promote the additional footage (from Dutch TV).

Who knows, eh? All speculation at this point. If I manage to find a copy, I’ll send you a link.

perspexorange wrote:

Think there were Midsummer editions in both 1983 and 1984.

There was also one in 1986.I distinctly remember because The Smiths played live on it and i remember watching them perform Panic .First time i heard that song and Morrissey seemed to repeat "Hang the DJ!" over and over forever.So much so that my mum, bless her, said "Does that man ever sing anything else than hang the DJ?" .Not that this helps in this search for the Barney and Hooky only performance of BM.

Ah. I didn't know that, Fotz.

...Actually that guy has posted it. It's an almost five-hour 'EuroPop' special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enH12\_39kr4 (The Smiths on at the 33min mark)

And, your mum was right - he really doesn't like that DJ!

Interestingly, the band was a five-piece at the time. I'm guessing that's Craig Gannon, with them (I'm not very familiar with the guy). My word, though - they were pretty wonderful, weren't they? Lovely version of TIALTNGO. Marr is a god.

Incidentally, considering this YouTuber is not averse to posting the 4+hour 'Tube' specials, there's a reasonable chance he might post the 'Midsummer' specials at some point.

perspexorange wrote: Ah. I didn't know that, Fotz.

...Actually that guy has posted it. It's an almost five-hour 'EuroPop' special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enH12\_39kr4 (The Smiths on at the 33min mark)

And, your mum was right - he really doesn't like that DJ!

Interestingly, the band was a five-piece at the time. I'm guessing that's Craig Gannon, with them (I'm not very familiar with the guy). My word, though - they were pretty wonderful, weren't they? Lovely version of TIALTNGO. Marr is a god.

Oh the 86 one was more a "Euro Tube" thing , rather than a midsummers ?

There was a bit of rivalry between The Smiths and New Order in the 80s, would it be fair to say? I was a bit torn with it all because i did love a lot of The Smiths stuff.I bought their Queen Is Dead album upon release in summer 86 and absolutely played it to death for months.All a long time ago now but Morrissey was a massive, massive icon to a lot of people back in the day.If he was on the front cover of NME you just had to buy it to see what he had to say.Yes i recall Craig Gannon being in the band for a while, think as a second guitarist.I never saw The Smiths live but I went to a small festival in Perry Park, Birmingham in summer 2019 which included on the bill Johnny Marr (along with The Coral and Doves) and he played a lot of Smiths classics including There Is A Light. He was bloody good.

When I was a teen in the 80s, I hated The Smiths (which seems like heresy to me, now). I was just put off by Morrissey being contrary and generally being a bit of a dick. I just couldn't get past that.

I was, in a word, foolish.

It wasn't until 'Electronic' that I decided to give them another try and was then blown away. My focus was originally on Marr's music, and tried to just 'go along with' Moz's singing and lyrics. Then, before I knew it, I was loving everything about them.

I haven't really looked back since and think they were a remarkable band. So many incredible songs.

I've also learned since then to separate art from artist. Which is just as well, considering Moz's current outlook on things.

perspexorange wrote:

I've also learned since then to separate art from artist. Which is just as well, considering Moz's current outlook on things.

hmm... i think i struggle at times separating the art from the artist.I can still listen to The Smiths but i am, unfortunately, conscious when doing so about what an arse Morrissey is these days.But what if an artist did an unspeakable thing like being found guilty of murder or something? Could i still listen to their music then? It'd be a tough one i'm sure.Not saying Morrissey is going to go out and murder anyone, obvs! I mean who on earth these days owns or listens to Gary Glitter's music??

I read Morrissey's autobiography when it was published.Enjoyed it , or most of it.I think it was after he wrote it that he started becoming an arse. Billy Bragg said of Morrissey a while back "There was a light but now it's gone out".

Well, I’ve said for a number of years, I can separate art from artist, but if I was a lostprophets fan, I think I’d struggle.

However shit Morrissey is these days, he’s not Ian Watkins.

Looks like The Tube shows from that channel mentioned above have disappeared. There was no response by the owner regarding that 'Midsummer' special eitherr. Shame.

As my 'wants' are back on page 2, I thought I'd bump 'em again here:

xx/03/1983 - 'The Jeff Cooper Show', BBC Radio Manchester, 03/83 (band introduce the first play of 'Blue Monday') 10/05/1985 - 'Round Table', BBC Radio 1, 10/05/85 (TPK review) (6 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (30 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Telephone Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (5 minutes) xx/xx/1986 - Feature, Radio Scorpio, 1986 (4 x 60 minute episodes) xx/07/1986 - Interview, Manchester Radio, 07/86 (5 minutes) 12/02/1987 - Auckland Radio, 12/02/87 (Hook) 07/08/1987 - 'Jed The Fish', KROQ-FM, Pasadena, 07/08/87 (Hook) xx/08/1987 - WFNX Boston, 08/87 (Hague) 13/08/1987 - Capital Radio, 13/04/87 (Morris & Gilbert) 23/01/1989 - French Radio, 23/01/89 (15 minutes) 21/03/1989 - 'The Mark Findlay Show', Aberdeen Radio, 21/03/89 (Hook)

18/05/1990 - 'Joy Division Special', DT64 (East Germany), 18/05/90 (120 minutes) 21/05/1990 - 'BBC Look North', 21/05/90 (5 minutes) 17/06/1990 - 'The Bill Shaw Show', NorthSound Radio, Aberdeen, 17/06/90 (Hook) (***) 09/09/1991 - 'Newsbeat', BBC Radio 1, 09/09/91 (Morris) xx/11/1991 - BBC Radio 1 (Morris & Gilbert), 11/91 (2 minutes)xx/11/1991 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/91 (Morris & Gilbert) xx/12/1991 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, 12/91 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 29/01/1992 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 29/01/92 (Hook & Potts) (Revenge) 20/03/1992 - 'Bite The Wax', Radio Scotland, 20/03/92 (Wilson) (***) 15/09/1992 - BBC Radio 1, 15/09/92 (5 minutes) xx/xx/1992 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, Late 1992 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 06/02/1993 - 'Kaleidoscope - Manchester RIP?', BBC Radio 4, 06/02/93 (Feature on Factory) xx/05/1993 - KROQ-FM Radio, 05/93 (1 minute) 19/05/1993 - 'Hit The North - Cook With Hook', BBC Radio 5 Live, 19/05/93 (Hook) 01/06/1993 - 'Cult Radio', BBC Radio 5 Live, 01/06/93 ("New Order re-invent The War of the Worlds") 11/08/1993 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/08/93 (Hook) (Hook presenting - Oasis session) 30/12/1993 - BBC Radio 1, 30/12/93 (possibly Hook presenting) (***) 10/11/1994 - 'Soundbite', BBC Radio 1, 10/11/94 (retospective) 18/12/1994 - 'The Art of Noise - Part 3: Electric Dreams', BBC Radio 1,18/12/94 (Hook features) 18/05/1995 - 'Les Inrockuptibles' French Radio, 18/05/95 (JD biography)

(***) used to have these and really want to try and obtain again (lost my tape collection)

Just a refresh on my 'want' list.
Any help gratefully received:

xx/03/1983 - 'The Jeff Cooper Show', BBC Radio Manchester, 03/83 (band introduce the first play of 'Blue Monday') 10/05/1985 - 'Round Table', BBC Radio 1, 10/05/85 (TPK review) (6 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (30 minutes) 17/05/1985 - Telephone Interview - Powerhouse, Melbourne soundcheck, 17/05/85 (Gilbert) (5 minutes) xx/xx/1986 - Feature, Radio Scorpio, 1986 (4 x 60 minute episodes) xx/07/1986 - Interview, Manchester Radio, 07/86 (5 minutes) 12/02/1987 - Auckland Radio, 12/02/87 (Hook) 07/08/1987 - 'Jed The Fish', KROQ-FM, Pasadena, 07/08/87 (Hook) xx/08/1987 - WFNX Boston, 08/87 (Hague) 13/08/1987 - Capital Radio, 13/08/87 (Morris & Gilbert) 23/01/1989 - French Radio, 23/01/89 (15 minutes) 21/03/1989 - 'The Mark Findlay Show', Aberdeen Radio, 21/03/89 (Hook)

18/05/1990 - 'Joy Division Special', DT64 (East Germany), 18/05/90 (120 minutes) 21/05/1990 - 'BBC Look North', 21/05/90 (5 minutes) 15/06/1990 - 'UK Chart Attack' #90-24, 15-21/06/90 (Hook introducing) 17/06/1990 - 'The Bill Shaw Show', NorthSound Radio, Aberdeen, 17/06/90 (Hook) (***) 09/09/1991 - 'Newsbeat', BBC Radio 1, 09/09/91 (Morris) xx/11/1991 - BBC Radio 1 (Morris & Gilbert), 11/91 (2 minutes)xx/11/1991 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/91 (Morris & Gilbert) xx/12/1991 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, 12/91 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 29/01/1992 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 29/01/92 (Hook & Potts) (Revenge) 20/03/1992 - 'Bite The Wax', Radio Scotland, 20/03/92 (Wilson) (***) 15/09/1992 - BBC Radio 1, 15/09/92 (5 minutes) xx/xx/1992 - 'Mark Goodier', BBC Radio 1, Late 1992 (Morris & Gilbert) (***) 06/02/1993 - 'Kaleidoscope - Manchester RIP?', BBC Radio 4, 06/02/93 (Feature on Factory) 09/04/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-15, 09-15/04/93 (Hook introducing) 09/04/1993 - 'Rock Over London' #93-15, 09-15/04/93 (Sumner introducing) xx/05/1993 - KROQ-FM Radio, 05/93 (1 minute) 14/05/1993 - 'Rock Over London' #93-20, 14-20/05/93 (?, 11:54) 19/05/1993 - 'Hit The North - Cook With Hook', BBC Radio 5 Live, 19/05/93 (Hook) 01/06/1993 - 'Cult Radio', BBC Radio 5 Live, 01/06/93 ("New Order re-invent The War of the Worlds") 11/06/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-24, 11-17/06/93 (Morris introducing) 11/08/1993 - 'Hit The North', BBC Radio 5, 11/08/93 (Hook) (Hook presenting - Oasis session) 20/08/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-34, 20-26/08/93 (Hook introducing) 15/10/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-42, 15-22/10/93 (Morris & Gilbert) (The Other Two) 17/12/1993 - 'UK Chart Attack' #93-24, 17-23/12/93 (Morris introducing) 30/12/1993 - BBC Radio 1, 30/12/93 (possibly Hook presenting) (***) 16/05/1994 - 'On The Edge', Westwood One, 16/05/94 (Westwood One, Show #94-21) (?) 28/05/1994 - 'Out Of Order' #94-22, 28/05/94 (Hook) 28/10/1994 - 'Rock Over London' #94-44, 28/10-03/11/94 (Hook introducing) 10/11/1994 - 'Soundbite', BBC Radio 1, 10/11/94 (retospective) 18/12/1994 - 'The Art of Noise - Part 3: Electric Dreams', BBC Radio 1,18/12/94 (Hook features) 27/01/1995 - 'Rock Over London' #95-05, 27/01-02/02/95 (Hook introducing) 18/05/1995 - 'Les Inrockuptibles' French Radio, 18/05/95 (JD biography)

(***) used to have these and really want to try and obtain again (lost my tape collection)

Quoting a couple of very old Fotz posts:

Fotz wrote: Found a few mp3s of interviews i have.The 'Jo Whiley' one is definitely not Jo Whiley but it's labelled Radio 1 interview 11/98.Don't know who the lady interviewing Bernard is and i doubt it was even Radio 1.Bernard did get interviewed by Jo Whiley on Radio 1 around that time because i remember listening to it at work and she played World In Motion from Reading 98 but the mp3 i have i'm now pretty sure isn't it.The one i have is about 17 minutes.

Fotz wrote: Well i chucked on YouTube what i have (17 minutes) of a 1998 radio interview with Bernard.This is the one i had for years titled as the Jo Whiley one but i'm now sure that lady isn't Jo Whiley.

Looks like somebody else has uploaded this interview on YouTube this week:

Looks to be the same length as the one you proviously posted on your channel Fotz.

I think we established that it was definitely not Jo Whiley and doubted whether it was on Radio 1. Anybody have any further thoughts as to who the interviewer might be? Her voice does sound familiar.

I'm wondering if it was an interview for a magazine and this is just the interviewer's tape for reference purposes. However, there's quite a few 'fan questions' read out, which might point more to a broadcast interview.

Nice mention of Hooky's 'finger licking' habit that enraged Bernard so much. :-D

Thanks for this, quite a good interview Bernard gets quite personal in places. If it was the BBC I thought it might be Janice Long at first but now I'm thinking Mary Ann Hobbs who had an evening show around that time. Also noticed when I searched that WIM.net seem to mention it on their newsroom section, wonder if the general public questions were submitted through them? All a complete guess though really!

http://www.worldinmotion.net/newsroom/1998.htm

Good spot!

Here’s the archived webpage which gives a few details about it (not who the interviewer is though, sadly):

https://web.archive.org/web/19990429125224/www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/reception/neworder.html

Been doing some digging and checked the copies I have of the old Ceremony mailing list.

It talks about the Jo Whiley interview on Friday 13/11/98 on it and lists a few things that aren’t featured in the interview posted to YouTube (inc. playing tracks from Reading ‘98). So we know it’s not the Whiley interview from the radio broadcast.

However, there is this (posted to the mailing list on 13/11/98):

“Just noticed that the Beeb site has Bernard answering some quesions on the Jo Whiley show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/reception/reception.html”

This appears to be the interview in question. So this interview is likely connected to the Whiley interview.

I reckon then, that Bernard came into the studio to be interviewed by Jo Whiley. Then, perhaps, one of the show’s researchers did a follow up interview with him at the same time, to answer some fan questions and to post to the BBC website. Stuff that wasn’t covered on the main show.

Unless that interviewer is actually Whiley (it really doesn’t sound like her).

Like No Other wrote: If it was the BBC I thought it might be Janice Long at first but now I'm thinking Mary Ann Hobbs who had an evening show around that time.

perspexorange wrote:

I reckon then, that Bernard came into the studio to be interviewed by Jo Whiley. Then, perhaps, one of the show’s researchers did a follow up interview with him at the same time, to answer some fan questions and to post to the BBC website. Stuff that wasn’t covered on the main show.

Unless that interviewer is actually Whiley (it really doesn’t sound like her).

Mary Ann Hobbs is from Sheffiled and Janice Long was from Liverpool. This interviewer has a southern English accent doesn't she? Bernard sounds a bit wierd here too, almost as though this is from a cassette tape that's playing a bit too fast. If I were to guess at anyone I would say Annie Nightingale, but I'm not confident in that guess.

It's probably someone obscure. I mean, does anyone remember Ro Newton from Whistle Test? Thought not, but she was a presenter on there. I don't think this is Ro Newton either though. If someone ever comes up with the answer, I suspect there will be a collective shrug and a "who??" like you get at football when an unknown sub gets announced for the opposition around the 70 minute mark.

As for the BBC website, It only started in December 1997. I'd be surprised if they were uploading audio interviews with Bernard Sumner within a year of launch...

I agree that this is definitely not Janice Long or Mary Ann Hobbs. Not sure about Annie Nightingale, as I’m fairly unfamiliar with her voice.

Debaser wrote:

As for the BBC website, It only started in December 1997. I'd be surprised if they were uploading audio interviews with Bernard Sumner within a year of launch...

According to the internet archive of that webpage, it says that the interview was available to listen to (via RealPlayer, so may have been streamable, rather than for download):

“To hear Bernard's answers along with the full Website interview, you'll need a Realplayer.”

Yes, i agree with Debaser, the lady does have a vaguely similar voice to Annie Nightingale.However, i'd bet my house that it is definitely NOT her. I am quite familiar with Annie Nightingale's voice as i used to listen to her Radio 1 show a lot back in the 80s.The interviewer simply has that same regional tone as Annie. I couldn't say what that region is exactly other than it's southern. It's obviously not northern. But yeah, if we do ever solve who it is it'll be a big "Who?" and a shrug.

Not Miranda Sawyer is it?

Mr Discography wrote: Not Miranda Sawyer is it?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

It kind of sounds a bit like either Pip Dann (MTV Europe VJ, who's actually a New Zealander but doesn't have that strong an accent) or Sunie Fletcher (used to review for Record Mirror, but also did some work on 1980s satellite TV - Rox Box etc.). I'm not convinced it's either of them though.

As D & F say, it's probably someone fairly unknown. Possibly either a music journalist that doesn't normally present or a researcher/secondary presenter on Jo Whiley's show (similar to someone on Steve Wright's posse kind of thing).

I don't think it's Miranda either because she's from Wilmslow near Manchester and has a mild northern accent... Thanks for the guess though, Mr Discog.

perspexorange wrote:

According to the internet archive of that webpage, it says that the interview was available to listen to (via RealPlayer, so may have been streamable, rather than for download):

“To hear Bernard's answers along with the full Website interview, you'll need a Realplayer.”

Well I stand corrected! I vaguely remember "you'll need RealPlayer" on t'internet from about 20 years ago.

Fotz wrote: ...a vaguely similar voice to Annie Nightingale.However, i'd bet my house that it is definitely NOT her. I am quite familiar with Annie Nightingale's voice as i used to listen to her Radio 1 show a lot back in the 80s...

She still has a weekend show on BBC R1 playing dance tunes at crazy O'clock in the morning (link). I sometimes download it on to the Sounds app. Her speech sounds like she may have false teeth trouble; she seems to struggle with her S's and T's. Did she sound like that back in the 80s? I do remember her (Sunday nights after the Top 40) but I woulld usually only hear a few minutes of her show.

^ I remember she still had a late night Radio 1 show in the early 2000s but was gobsmacked to learn a year or two back she still has. She ain't giving up spinning them tunes. Yes i've heard her talk these days and i'd hazard she has false teeth. She didn't talk like that back in the 80s.

perspexorange wrote:

Anybody have any further thoughts as to who the interviewer might be? Her voice does sound familiar.

I'm wondering if it was an interview for a magazine and this is just the interviewer's tape for reference purposes.

Listened again and i'm leaning towards that theory, yep.The audio quality isn't great or completely clear but i don't think that's anything to do with the quality of the mp3 file. I get the impression the lady recorded it on her dictaphone or something. It's not a recording that sounds clear enough for radio.

Debaser wrote:

First was a TV memory from about 83 or 84. A Dutch TV show had Bernard and Hooky on. The two of them did a crappy version of BM and I think, another track. This was then shown on UK TV in a couple of separate clips/chunks ("We have footage from Holland"). I think it may have been shown on a late night edition of C4's The Tube. The Tube was usually on around dinner time on a Friday evening. But I remember them doing a late night epsiode so that they could show the "banned" Relax video by Frankie. And they may have done more than one late night episode. Anyone remember this two-man version of NO doing something for Dutch TV?

Hmmm. I seem to have found this (thanks to the same person who provided me with the OGWT footage on the other thread).

Or, at least, I think I have. I'll need to get it sent to Debaser for confirmation.

Managed to get both the 1983 and 1984 'midsummer' specials of The Tube and I think it's on the 1983 programme, broadcast on 24/06/83. This does feature clips from the 'Countdown' programme.

It does seem to follow Debaser's description. It is from 'Dutch TV' and is introduced in that way, by the same presenter that hosted 'Countdown'. It is 'Blue Monday', and although Steve & Gillian do appear, they are 'blink, and you'll miss them'. You can see their fingers on keyboards throughout and then, right at the very end, they appear on screen for a second. Bernard and Hooky are featured much more prominently.

The clip is only about a minute long.

Incidentally, I actually had this clip on an old video tape but didn't know where it was from. I had always assumed it was from a later 'highlights show' of Countdown, shown a few weeks after the original performance. Even if it isn't the same programme Debaser mentions, at least I know that my clip is from 'The Tube'.

Also, interestingly, this is taken from an alternate take of Blue Monday; not the main one or the one that was on the Reelin In The Years YouTube channel. I think the Countdown YouTube channel released this third take in its entirety a year or so ago.

Just gone through the 1984 midsummer special and can't see anything New Ordery in it.

perspexorange wrote:

It does seem to follow Debaser's description. It is from 'Dutch TV' and is introduced in that way, by the same presenter that hosted 'Countdown'. It is 'Blue Monday', and although Steve & Gillian do appear, they are 'blink, and you'll miss them'. You can see their fingers on keyboards throughout and then, right at the very end, they appear on screen for a second. Bernard and Hooky are featured much more prominently. The clip is only about a minute long.

Incidentally, I actually had this clip on an old video tape but didn't know where it was from. I had always assumed it was from a later 'highlights show' of Countdown, shown a few weeks after the original performance. Even if it isn't the same programme Debaser mentions, at least I know that my clip is from 'The Tube'.

Also, interestingly, this is taken from an alternate take of Blue Monday; not the main one or the one that was on the Reelin In The Years YouTube channel. I think the Countdown YouTube channel released this third take in its entirety a year or so ago.

Just gone through the 1984 midsummer special and can't see anything New Ordery in it.

Yep. 11 year old me must have only registered Bernard & Hook from that short clip. This is the one. Not a 2 man NO after all. My bad!

Debaser wrote:

Yep. 11 year old me must have only registered Bernard & Hook from that short clip. This is the one. Not a 2 man NO after all. My bad!

I'm just glad the mystery is solved.

perspexorange wrote:

Debaser wrote:

Yep. 11 year old me must have only registered Bernard & Hook from that short clip. This is the one. Not a 2 man NO after all. My bad!

I'm just glad the mystery is solved.

The funny thing is, as I already had the clip in my archives (but didn't know what it was), in theory, we called've solved this ages ago.

Going back to the topic earlier in this thread about who the lady is interviewing Bernard in the 90s and if it was Jo Whiley or someone else.I'd concluded previously that it wasn't her despite the mp3 i obtained some years ago labelled that it was. Anyway, i've been listening to a podcast series on BBC Sounds recently about Britpop and it features some old mid 90s Radio 1 clips of Jo Whiley talking and back then it seems her voice was quite different to what is these days and almost like the unknown lady in the 90s Bernard interview. So maybe it was in fact her afterall. Coupled with the sound quality being slightly mudddy on that old 90s Bernard interview.