Movement - The Definitive Edition

hello all, it's been a very long time since i've come to post.

so... my girlfriend got me the 'movement' box for christmas. girls rule.

it occurred to me i'd acquired a nice set-up/stereo/system over the years, and never listened to the movement-era recordings on it.

in the car, of course: cds, cassettes, aux cord... whatever.

however, new order cuts from that era rarely get played out when i gig. probably just the peter black version of "temptation" from his 3xlp (WU1101-LP), or the cicada version of "everything's gone green" from a promo cd single (PR015618).

the recordings in this box are brilliant. the extras cd is worth the price of admission. the kicks on those old machines hit so hard and fluid. us girls couldn't help but dance a bit. absolutely wonderful! ("watch yer bassbins, i'm tellin' ya.")

i enjoyed reading this long thread before replying. i love to be schooled. i'll teach the folx who don't know things like "what-version-of-in-a-lonely-place-do-you-have." but whilst reading the thread, i hadn't gotten to the alternative 7" mix of "tempatation." posters mentioned the differences, and i was ready for them. my body knew when it was about 2'05" into the track. listen closely, mto... lol

gonna take a break and check out the dvds. i'll just sit close-up on the floor like when i was a kid and then read the book. maybe the cat will join me.

will post thoughts later.

oooh, i bet those dvds are gonna be ridiculous. xx

Watched Peppermint Lounge a second time. Just brilliant. Possibly even better than the Ukrainian House gig. Or just as good but in a different. Such a vast difference from Hurrah a year or so before.Love how Barney fiddles with the machines and creates some great extras.

prog99 wrote:

Yes, saw that pop up in my youtube feed, I guess it stops piracy in a strange way. As I'm never going to buy the box set (although I did mull it over in the local record store) I ripped the lot to mp3 and listened to them in the car today. Definitely a lot better than some of the scratchy bootlegs I've heard. Thought even after it'd gone through original->youtube->mp3 that movement remastered sounded really good and very punchy in the car.

You ripped all those videos individually? How long did that take? You know this version has leaked online? If you were going to do naughty things, you could have downloaded the lot in MP3 or FLAC in about five minutes!

Debaser wrote:

prog99 wrote:

Yes, saw that pop up in my youtube feed, I guess it stops piracy in a strange way. As I'm never going to buy the box set (although I did mull it over in the local record store) I ripped the lot to mp3 and listened to them in the car today. Definitely a lot better than some of the scratchy bootlegs I've heard. Thought even after it'd gone through original->youtube->mp3 that movement remastered sounded really good and very punchy in the car.

You ripped all those videos individually? How long did that take? You know this version has leaked online? If you were going to do naughty things, you could have downloaded the lot in MP3 or FLAC in about five minutes!

Oh there's a neat little tool to do it. youtube-dl Wasn't going looking for the tracks but as they were on youtube I didn't go looking elsewhere.

Based on the neworder YT channel video, "Truth" still has the clipped last verse vocal, like every other edition of it ever I think. Except possibly FACUS 50, I could have sworn it didn't clip on that, but I haven't spun it again recently to confirm.

Is the album remaster on this release the same remastering as for the 2015 digital reissues (which I bought at the time and are great)

I thought it was the 2015 remaster again.what do you mean by "clipped"?

On Qobuz, it's not available worldwide. Fuck off!

NotAMod wrote: For those interested it looks like digital versions of the remastered 12" singles have hit the usual outlets I.e. iTunes, Spotify, Qobuz...

• Ceremony (2019 Remaster)
• Everything's Gone Green (2019 Remaster)
• Ceremony (Version 2) [2019 Remaster]
• Temptation (2019 Remaster)

If you take these, add in Procession & Temptation (7") from the 2016 mastering of Singles (also done by Frank Arkwright, presumably around the same time?) you basically have a worthy, consistent additional disc which really completes the Definitive Edition, in my opinion. I haven't listened closely enough yet but don't believe there are any differences between the two IALP on the Ceremony versions; they appear to be the same.

Pleased with that, though. To have the remastered 12" in both analogue and digital now...

I guess the only unremastered tracks from this era now then are the 7" versions of 'In A Lonely Place' and 'Hurt' and the alternate 12" of 'In A Lonely Place'.

Which version of 'In A Lonely Place' is on the reissued 12 inches and subsequent downloads - the 'Substance' version or original 1st 'Ceremony' flip side?

Any of those online stores selling the digital versions in lossless quality?

Mr Discography wrote: Which version of 'In A Lonely Place' is on the reissued 12 inches and subsequent downloads - the 'Substance' version or original 1st 'Ceremony' flip side?

The original on both.

The most recent mastering of the 'wrong' IALP mix was released on the RSD 12" (we hadn't found the right tape at that point).

Jcp7 wrote: On Qobuz, it's not available worldwide. Fuck off!

I emailed Qobuz and they kindly responded/said that the digital 12" rights are of course the issue. I asked if they could do anything to make them available for USA and other countries. I hope it happens soon - more sales for NO while there is buzz.

Really wanting that remastered Ceremony 2nd version.

Nothing on Amazon nor Juno.... Soulseek will be my friend for the next months!

Johnny James wrote: The most recent mastering of the 'wrong' IALP mix was released on the RSD 12" (we hadn't found the right tape at that point).

Great to finally have the original version of 'IALP' remastered digitally (I downloaded the CD-quality files of the three 12" inches from Qobuz - all sound fabulous).

However, I just checked my original Factory UK vinyl 'Ceremony' 2nd 12" (blue and white cover) and it's definitely the other version of 'IALP' on that release (i.e. the one on Substance - without the thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in). The only redeeming features on my copy are FAC 33 A and FAC 33 B etched into the runout groove, along with 'QI' on both sides and 'This is why events unnerve me' on side A and 'How I wish you were here with me now' on side B (all in capitals). I bought this from HMV in November 1990. What led to the original version being remastered and included on the 2nd 12" and digital release in this instance?

Cheers.

Mr Discography wrote:

Johnny James wrote: The most recent mastering of the 'wrong' IALP mix was released on the RSD 12" (we hadn't found the right tape at that point).

Great to finally have the original version of 'IALP' remastered digitally (I downloaded the CD-quality files of the three 12" inches from Qobuz - all sound fabulous).

However, I just checked my original Factory UK vinyl 'Ceremony' 2nd 12" (blue and white cover) and it's definitely the other version of 'IALP' on that release (i.e. the one on Substance - without the thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in). The only redeeming features on my copy are FAC 33 A and FAC 33 B etched into the runout groove, along with 'QI' on both sides and 'This is why events unnerve me' on side A and 'How I wish you were here with me now' on side B (all in capitals). I bought this from HMV in November 1990. What led to the original version being remastered and included on the 2nd 12" and digital release in this instance?

Cheers.

It took me ages to find one of the 2nd 12"s with that version on, most of the ones available throughout the 80s are the later mix (they have 'Townhouse' in the runout). I think it was a re-cut in the late 80s that brought the mistake into play, around the time of Substance when it was also used.

Mr Discography wrote:

Johnny James wrote: However, I just checked my original Factory UK vinyl 'Ceremony' 2nd 12" (blue and white cover) and it's definitely the other version of 'IALP' on that release (i.e. the one on Substance - without the thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in). The only redeeming features on my copy are FAC 33 A and FAC 33 B etched into the runout groove, along with 'QI' on both sides and 'This is why events unnerve me' on side A and 'How I wish you were here with me now' on side B (all in capitals). I bought this from HMV in November 1990. What led to the original version being remastered and included on the 2nd 12" and digital release in this instance?

From what I can gather - the original version (also confusingly referred to as "the later mix") - was on all the original early 80s pressings of both the Green and Cream/Blue editions

You say you bought your copy in HMV in 1990 - so this is highly unlikely to be an original pressing - but a later 80's repressing. In fact, from the runout grooves you describe, it's not a pressing that is listed on Discogs. There doesn't appear to be any late 80s pressings listed, I guess because they are hard to identify and only tiny differences. I thought my Cream/Blue pressing was an original, but later discovered it had the Green version of Ceremony on it and was pressed in 1983?!

I'd go so far as to say that the later pressings of Cream/Blue with the Substance mix of IALP are potentially quite rare

Mr Discography wrote: I thought it was the 2015 remaster again.what do you mean by "clipped"?

At around 3:13, at the beginning of the last verse, you hear "strange day", and the word "strange" sounds cut off, like the first syllable is missing - and the other occurences of that verse are "such a strange day", leading me (at least) to think that "such a str-" is what has been cut.

Jonathan wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: I thought it was the 2015 remaster again.what do you mean by "clipped"?

At around 3:13, at the beginning of the last verse, you hear "strange day", and the word "strange" sounds cut off, like the first syllable is missing - and the other occurences of that verse are "such a strange day", leading me (at least) to think that "such a str-" is what has been cut.

See what you mean. Don't think I've heard any other version that doesn't have that oddity, so guess it was originally mixed that way.

I also note that Senses is finally remastered without the first beat or two missing, which is good to hear. I always wondered if Truth had a beat or two missing at the start too, but it sounds the same on these remasters.

NotAMod wrote: For those interested it looks like digital versions of the remastered 12" singles have hit the usual outlets I.e. iTunes, Spotify, Qobuz...

• Ceremony (2019 Remaster)
• Everything's Gone Green (2019 Remaster)
• Ceremony (Version 2) [2019 Remaster]
• Temptation (2019 Remaster)

If you take these, add in Procession & Temptation (7") from the 2016 mastering of Singles (also done by Frank Arkwright, presumably around the same time?) you basically have a worthy, consistent additional disc which really completes the Definitive Edition, in my opinion. I haven't listened closely enough yet but don't believe there are any differences between the two IALP on the Ceremony versions; they appear to be the same.

Pleased with that, though. To have the remastered 12" in both analogue and digital now...

Hundred thanks and cheers to you my friend! I was able to get the lossless files from Qobuz using a proxy service.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

Johnny James wrote: However, I just checked my original Factory UK vinyl 'Ceremony' 2nd 12" (blue and white cover) and it's definitely the other version of 'IALP' on that release (i.e. the one on Substance - without the thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in). The only redeeming features on my copy are FAC 33 A and FAC 33 B etched into the runout groove, along with 'QI' on both sides and 'This is why events unnerve me' on side A and 'How I wish you were here with me now' on side B (all in capitals). I bought this from HMV in November 1990. What led to the original version being remastered and included on the 2nd 12" and digital release in this instance?

From what I can gather - the original version (also confusingly referred to as "the later mix") - was on all the original early 80s pressings of both the Green and Cream/Blue editions

You say you bought your copy in HMV in 1990 - so this is highly unlikely to be an original pressing - but a later 80's repressing. In fact, from the runout grooves you describe, it's not a pressing that is listed on Discogs. There doesn't appear to be any late 80s pressings listed, I guess because they are hard to identify and only tiny differences. I thought my Cream/Blue pressing was an original, but later discovered it had the Green version of Ceremony on it and was pressed in 1983?!

I'd go so far as to say that the later pressings of Cream/Blue with the Substance mix of IALP are potentially quite rare

Checked out my cream/blue cover.It has the version of IALP without a thunderclap when Hooky's bass comes in and it has How I Wish You Were Here With Me Now in capitals in the run out and FAC33 B and QI.The A side has the second version of Ceremony and This Is Why Events Unnerve Me in capitals in the run out and FAC 33 A and QI.I must have bought this after Substance because i'd never heard the 2nd version of Ceremony til i bought that album on its release in 1987.So this pressing of Ceremony 2nd version/IALP with cream sleeve is quite rare? Or do you mean a cream/blue version with the no thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in version of IALP and How I Wish You Were With Me Now in the run out but the original green version of Ceremony is quite rare? I've got a headache now.

And is the quote option misfiring or is it me?

NotAMod wrote: For those interested it looks like digital versions of the remastered 12" singles have hit the usual outlets I.e. iTunes, Spotify, Qobuz...

• Ceremony (2019 Remaster)
• Everything's Gone Green (2019 Remaster)
• Ceremony (Version 2) [2019 Remaster]
• Temptation (2019 Remaster)

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Thanks for heads up.Purchased them in FLAC though still think download codes should have come with the 12" re releases.And would have been nice to have the back cover artworks too.Gah.

Well, listening to the remaster of the 12" of Temptation.Kind of have passed this version over for a long time but re-appreciating it now.It was always so unusual and unique as far as 12" versions go, or went back then.I mean the 7" is kind of straightforward in it has the intro, then verse, then chorus, instrumental break, then verse, then chorus and so on.But the 12" didn't simply extend all that, it completely rearranged everything.Yeah it's the same lyrics and mostly same instrumentation as the 7" but it's so completely rearranged.Kind of like a film where you start off and progress through thinking why is that bit there? And what's that bit doing there? What's the thinking in that bit doing in that spot? Why is that part repeated? But then towards the end it all starts to make sense;ah, so that's why that bit was there earlier on, those bits were repeated a few times there... and it all finally makes sense and completely works in the finale.There was method in the madness.Quite genius how they worked out how to not simply extend ithe 7" but completely rearrange it in an extended way and figure out how it all worked towards a cumulative effect.It's all about the cumulative effect.Yes i've had a few drinks.

Yep, the 12" of Temptation is immense. I was so pleased when I finally got it on CD (on the '1981-1982' reissue, from Canada, I think), back in the mid-90s.

As you said, it is a bit messy, but somehow all comes together and 'makes sense'.

However much I love the 7" and the 1987 version, this is, to me, the ultimate version of one of my favourite songs of all time. Love Barney's vocals in this version; he sounds much more desperate and on the edge.

Fotzepolitic wrote:

Checked out my cream/blue cover.It has the version of IALP without a thunderclap when Hooky's bass comes in and it has How I Wish You Were Here With Me Now in capitals in the run out and FAC33 B and QI.The A side has the second version of Ceremony and This Is Why Events Unnerve Me in capitals in the run out and FAC 33 A and QI.I must have bought this after Substance because i'd never heard the 2nd version of Ceremony til i bought that album on its release in 1987.So this pressing of Ceremony 2nd version/IALP with cream sleeve is quite rare? Or do you mean a cream/blue version with the no thunderclap when Hooky's bass kicks in version of IALP and How I Wish You Were With Me Now in the run out but the original green version of Ceremony is quite rare? I've got a headache now.

It's proper headache material!

I mean that the cream/blue version which was repressed in the late 80s (post-Substance) with the IALP version that has no thunderclap when Hooky's bass enters - seems to be quite rare

I'm basing that on the fact the groove notations you describe are not listed on any edition in Discogs.

There was a recorded interview with Bernard & Steve on Shaun Keaveney’s afternoon show in 6Music today . Was in 2 parts , the first of which I caught a bit of at work but missed a lot it. Caught all the second part and before which Matt Everett did a quick recap of the first part and seem to confirm there will be a lot more box sets to come and also a live album and release of Decades? Can’t rewind and listen again to the show til after it finishes at 4pm so can’t be sure right now of the details recapped just before the 2nd part of interview.

The show available to listen again now https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0004d2h

First part is at around 43 minutes in and second part around 1 hour 45 mins in.

Listened properly again to the first part and turned out there wasn't actually any mention from Bernard and Steve about more box sets or a live album of the Liam Gillick/Synth orchestra collaboration shows and Decades film but the 6Music guy Matt Everett definitely says before the second part of the interview there will be a live album of the Liam Gillick and synth orchestra shows and includes the Decades doc.Somewhere over the 2 interviews Everett seems to say the whole of the back catalogue will be "reappraised"...

Only listened to part 1 so far, but the two of them are in really fine form.

Comparing box sets to coffins Mark Reeder's comments about terrible hotel rooms and how Bernard doesn't find that comforting The Copenhagen gig being awful (i'm now going to hunt have to hunt through my collection to see if I have it; '81, '84 or '86, I wonder)

Funny interview.

PS Steve does mention that they wanted to do boxsets of the albums, so I think it's on the cards...