New Order are announcing or releasing something new on September 8.

Is this the Alexandra Palace "Education Entertainment Recreation" I wonder?

A new studio album?

That’d be something eh

Jonathan wrote: A new studio album?

Doubtful, but they've surprised us before!

My money is on the Ally Pally CD/DVD.

But I guess it could be the unreleased 'Music Complete' track, "Be A Rebel" that Bernard and Steve were working on. Possibly as an EP.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to get a new non-album single with proper A and B sides, like the old days?

50poundnote wrote: Wouldn't it be wonderful to get a new non-album single with proper A and B sides, like the old days?

Totally.

Although I haven't really been into the Pet Shop Boys since the late 80s, they do single releases so well. CD singles, 12"s, proper b-sides etc.

To be fair though, I was very pleased that New Order released CD singles for the 'Music Complete' singles. Much as I liked some of the remixes, I'd have killed for 2 or 3 b-sides over the 4 single releases.

My gut feeling is for Be A Rebel.If it was the Alexandra Palace DVD/CD i feel they would just announce that out of the blue one day with release date etc.The fact they've made an announcement , erm, that there's going to be a big announcement on 08.09.20 feels to me more like it's going to be new material i.e Be A Rebel.Or even the track will be released digitally that day?? But who knows.Just me gut feeling.

Someone on a Facebook group has pointed out that, to the top left corner of the murmuration shown in the image, there are one or two birds not flying in sync.

This could indicate that each bird has decided to 'be a rebel'.

I'm not sure I'm 100% behind this hypothesis, but it's interesting nonetheless.

perspexorange wrote: Someone on a Facebook group has pointed out that, to the top left corner of the murmuration shown in the image, there are one or two birds not flying in sync.

This could indicate that each bird has decided to 'be a rebel'.

I'm not sure I'm 100% behind this hypothesis, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Meh. I'm not even 1% behind that theory.

I keep going back to the Mojo Live Track thread. Reading Johnny James' comments. The Ally Pally live album/video is imminent, he told us. He also told us something new is coming. Could Rebel be packaged with the live thingy? Could it be a bit like U2s Rattle & Hum? Part live album/DVD, with some new (unreleased) material thrown in? I guess JJ can't tell us, but we can try to read between the lines.

perspexorange wrote: Someone on a Facebook group has pointed out that, to the top left corner of the murmuration shown in the image, there are one or two birds not flying in sync.

This could indicate that each bird has decided to 'be a rebel'.

I'm not sure I'm 100% behind this hypothesis, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Yeah! And if you take 'Robert Gretton', mix the letters up, add some letters, take some letters away and then mix them up again, it clearly spells Abbey Road, which gave the Beatles an LP title, just as All Saints gave All Saints All Saints, and they were rivals to the Spice Girls, who included Geri, whose nickname was Ginger, which was also the name of a secondary character in the William Books by Richmal Crompton, who also wrote books about Jimmy, which is a variant on the name James, just like James Dean, who was in Rebel without A cause, and if you read that without 'without' and 'cause' you get Rebel A, and Cause starts with C, which is before B, which sounds exactly like Be, and if you read those three words backwards what does it say? What more proof do you need? It was staring me in the fucking face.

Jonathan wrote: A new studio album?

That’d be something eh

Thanks for making me laugh out loud for the first time since Berlusconi got his face busted.

I think the Be a Rebel theory is valid.

Agreed. I think that artwork lends itself to Be A Rebel far more than other possibilities.

Still wish they’d called it something else.

depthcharge wrote: Agreed. I think that artwork lends itself to Be A Rebel far more than other possibilities.

Still wish they’d called it something else.

Yeah....obviously i've never heard it but its really not a good song name

“Be A Rebel... Not A Devil”

Apparently. 😉

Every time i see that song title i think of a song title 'Be Above It' by Tame Impala.

She said try to be a rebel for me Forget pop-ularity So hard in this society Only love can set you free

Seems a bit of a faff just to release one solitary track unless.....

1 - Be A Rebel (Original Mix) 2 - Be A Rebel (Chemical Brothers Remix) 3 - Be A Rebel (Chemical Brothers Instrumental Remix) 4 - Be A Rebel (Les Rythmes Digitales Mix) 5 - Be A Rebel (Stuart Price Remix) 6 - Be A Rebel (Daniel Miller Mix) 7 - Be A Rebel (Bernard Sumner Mix) 8 - Be A Rebel (Edit) 9 - Be A Rebel (Acoustic Version) 10 - Blue Monday (Live)

10 track EP available to download for £10.99 or 10 CD box set with 380g vinyl version and a copy of Gillians latest shopping list handwritten by that lad that plays the bass - £199.95

Sense of humour? You're in the wrong place.

^ Ah but he did it without mentioning a girl band, or indeed bitching about a certain drummer who might he funnier than he is.

Meanwhile, it seems that Be A Rebel was briefly available to listen to on Apple Music Japan around the 20th of August. But then disappeared. Probably uploaded too early. This suggests it is imminent IMHO.

[TWITTER]1296723723483901955[/TWITTER]

Twitter translated this for me as: "I heard about two minutes last night. Somehow the image was like Lost Siren"

Oh and here's the tweet that started the convo: [TWITTER]1296484198983913472[/TWITTER]

perspexorange wrote: “Be A Rebel... Not A Devil”

Apparently. 😉

Bernard's search history https://www.rappad.co/rhymes-with/rebel

You know, if this was an outtake from Get Ready or WFTSC I wouldn't get my hopes up, but music Complete is SO GOOD. They put in the effort, and it really shows - particularly with Barney's lyrics.

50poundnote wrote: You know, if this was an outtake from Get Ready or WFTSC I wouldn't get my hopes up, but music Complete is SO GOOD. They put in the effort, and it really shows - particularly with Barney's lyrics.

Yeah - I think my current view of New Order after GR and WFTSC is to fear the worst and maybe end up pleasantly surprised. That was definitely the case with Music Complete. Still love it as an album. After the outright underwhelming soggy biscuit that was Lost Sirens, and Hooky leaving - it was a revelation to find that they still had something

Hey there Hooky, don’t be a rebel Turn down your fucking bass and order me a treble Hey there hooky, don’t be a rebel Cos music complete sounds incredible

50poundnote wrote: You know, if this was an outtake from Get Ready or WFTSC I wouldn't get my hopes up, but music Complete is SO GOOD. They put in the effort, and it really shows - particularly with Barney's lyrics.

“Due to current studies, the fiscal climate isn’t looking good” - Academic

I agree that the lyrics of MC were excellent except for this one dodger of a line. I mean come on, Barney could you not think of ANYTHING less clunky? I wish Steve and Gillian would have put their foot down on that one. I don’t let it ruin the song for me but man alive this is the single worst line I’ve ever heard Mr. Sumner utter in a song.

Mike C. wrote:

50poundnote wrote: You know, if this was an outtake from Get Ready or WFTSC I wouldn't get my hopes up, but music Complete is SO GOOD. They put in the effort, and it really shows - particularly with Barney's lyrics.

“Due to current studies, the fiscal climate isn’t looking good” - Academic

I agree that the lyrics of MC were excellent except for this one dodger of a line. I mean come on, Barney could you not think of ANYTHING less clunky? I wish Steve and Gillian would have put their foot down on that one. I don’t let it ruin the song for me but man alive this is the single worst line I’ve ever heard Mr. Sumner utter in a song.

Academic you say?

Mike C. wrote: this is the single worst line I’ve ever heard Mr. Sumner utter in a song.

“I've been accused of everything From Timbuktu to old Berlin”

C’mon, that’s got to be worse.

I could’ve picked any line from that song, to illustrate my point. Just picked the first two, for ease...

perspexorange wrote:

“I've been accused of everything From Timbuktu to old Berlin”

I've often wondered whether Bernard meant 'old Berlin' in the sense of the age of the city or in the sense of 'Oh you old Berlin you'. 'Back in good old Berlin, the cheeky little city, so it is'

We may never know for sure.

It's Be A Rebel, and now you can hear a little bit. That sounds like an old school NO synth line to me.

Sounds Electronic-ish to me

Rorschach wrote:

Mike C. wrote:

50poundnote wrote: You know, if this was an outtake from Get Ready or WFTSC I wouldn't get my hopes up, but music Complete is SO GOOD. They put in the effort, and it really shows - particularly with Barney's lyrics.

“Due to current studies, the fiscal climate isn’t looking good” - Academic

I agree that the lyrics of MC were excellent except for this one dodger of a line. I mean come on, Barney could you not think of ANYTHING less clunky? I wish Steve and Gillian would have put their foot down on that one. I don’t let it ruin the song for me but man alive this is the single worst line I’ve ever heard Mr. Sumner utter in a song.

Academic you say?

OMG!!!!

There are people replying to the sound clip post on NO's facebook page saying, "probably a Blue Monday re-release". The only reason I havent commented with "Are you thick??" Is because BM actually is getting re-released this year .

I still reckon this is gonna be a Rebel and an Ally Pally DVD/album announcement. Synergistic promotion or something.

Oh and for anyone allergic to Facebook, let's embed a Twitter. Especially as there's a bird connection.

[TWITTER]1302290396672741376[/TWITTER]

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Hmm...

BazG wrote: [albumimg]154[/albumimg]

Hmm...

I seriously doubt this announcement has anything to do with that. While it's great that Substance is back online, there'll likely be a box set down the road.

Remember, NO have two record labels now: Rhino (Warners), handling their back catalog up to Music Complete, and Mute, handling everything going forward. With all the promotion around the PC&L box (Rhino), it works in Mute's favor to release something new. Tandem publicity.

That's very true. I get that. Let's see what tomorrow brings...

Who really need Substance on streaming? it's just shit.

I always assumed it was deemed 'low priority' by Rhino etc.

In the case of most bands, 'compilation' LPs might be considered 'gravy' in comparison to the 'meat and potatoes' of studio LPs. Obviously, this isn't the case with New Order, with 'Substance' being a vital LP, containing 17 unique songs not appearing on a studio LP. But Rhino might not have paid too much attention to this and treated it like any other 'best of'.

But this is very much speculation on my part.

https://twitter.com/neworder/status/1303000078689464320?s=20

Cheers Linus, great news just what I (we) needed a brand new New Order song. Sounds good on the snippet. Hopefully 12” release and not just digital

Its confirmed Be A Rebel is coming out tomorrow via New Order official just now. Will anyone be recording it off the Zoe Ball show??

Anyone in Japan already got it? I've tried to purchase it but couldn't due to timestamp reasons or something.

https://music.oricon.co.jp/php/cd/CdTop.php?cd=SPB00335171

Mr. Disco wrote: Anyone in Japan already got it? I've tried to purchase it but couldn't due to timestamp reasons or something.

https://music.oricon.co.jp/php/cd/CdTop.php?cd=SPB00335171

Just got it on iTunes Aus/NZ - full & edited versions.

It’s on Spotify along with Substance (been too long for that one).

is it bro wrote: It’s on Spotify along with Substance (been too long for that one).

Apple Music too.

It appears it's on the band's YouTube page now too (both versions):

perspexorange wrote: It appears it's on the band's YouTube page now too (both versions):

Wonder if there’s a video? All singles have a video didn’t they?

Ooh! and then oh, April 2021 release then

Just came on here to post this too.

Ace!

Me too! Did NO time this to "spoil" Hookys new video? 🤔

Although I really like this version of Sub-Culture, I'm not keen on the fast edits of the video.

I'm hoping that the rest of the video isn't quite as choppy.

For those that haven't actually gone into YouTube to watch this, it says:

"New Order perform 'Sub-Culture' live from Alexandra Palace in 2018. The full concert will be released on multiple formats in April 2021."

Multiple formats, eh? Hmm. DVD, BD, digital. Possibly a special edition with the 'Decades' documentary. Also, as hinted at previously, maybe a CD+BD / CD+DVD combo.

Day One purchase for me, anyway. Obvs.

https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/new-order-education-entertainment-recreation-live-at-alexandra-palace/

https://store.neworder.com

Available in multiple formats including 2CDs, vinyl, BD and with T-Shirts, badges and art prints.

There's also a super-deluxe box for £120, including a 48 page book. You can also 'super-size it' with the apparel if you want to part with £170.

I think the 2CD/BD combo will do for me, but I might be tempted with a T-Shirt.

No DVD!

Well I haven’t got, and never got round to buying, a Blu-ray player.Could use it as an excuse to finally get one I suppose. We’ll see.

I can see why there's no DVD release. To be fair, it's a pretty old format nowadays.

It kind of makes sense having DVDs in the 'Definitive Editions' of the studio LPs, as the archive footage contained within isn't going to be in pristine HD quality.

But a modern concert film like this; I think it's best to show it in all it's glory. You have to draw the line somewhere.

I wouldn't've thought that BD players are very expensive these days.

They should have done something for the Miami Beach residency. All those updated deep cuts - aside from the MiF ones - deserved to be heard, now we're getting the same live version of Temptation, True Faith, TPK, Blue Monday, etc for the 5th time in the past 10 years.

Also, I hope the production is on par with the MiF live album. The O2 Academy live album sounds weak in my opinion.

But hey, I'm just glad one of my favorite bands is still active so I shouldn't complain.

^ Yes I accept DVDs are becoming a bit of an outdated format these days.Like I said I could use it as an excuse to get a Blu-ray player and that’s probably actually what I will do.Think you can get a pretty decent Panasonic one for around £60- £70 these days.

The only live set I bothered with was MILF cos they were actually digging out oldies and doing them justice. 23 years after the TF Perfecto mash-up first emerged, the novelty is wearing off.

Not bothered about the T-shirt or a print or badges so I’ll go for the £120 box with 2CD, Blu-ray disc, x3 LP and book.

Ordered the super extra large mega edition, which runs nearly $270 US dollars. Eh, it's not like I'm going to concerts or anything right now.

Fotz wrote: Well I haven’t got, and never got round to buying, a Blu-ray player.Could use it as an excuse to finally get one I suppose. We’ll see.

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

F&ck me, they're milking it. Not that it's a suprise. I was one of the first on the forum to say they filmed it and would release it.

Tickets sold for the gig: 10,000. Price £50 each. So £500k grossed for the night. Now buy the gig on every possible format (except DVD) for loads more ££. Want a Tee and a badge too? Course you do, you hardcore NO suckers! We know what you like!!

The artwork looks kinda similar to NO 316 (Taras '81/Reading '98), no?

Oops, I've forgotten to log in as Michael again!

The Shadow wrote:

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

I'm not trying to be contentious here, but DVD is pretty much a dead format. As I said before, it's fine for low-def stuff, but it kind of seems pointless to release something like this concert on media that doesn't show off the high picture quality.

Blu-Ray has been about for 15 years now, with cheap players being available for the last decade or so. Before that, you could mitigate some of the cost by combining it with a games console (like I did with my PS3).

You have to ask yourself, how long does a company need to support media types for?

You could argue that they could put a cassette in the box quite cheaply too. I know I'm probably being a bit silly here, but it's kind of the same thing. DVD is an old format (25+ years) which doesn't support Hi-Def video. Most people (I would guess) would have at least an HDTV these days, so would probably want something that would look good on their screens.

If you think about it, it's up to companies (along with developers) to push new formats and move the tech forward. If they didn't do that, we'd all be stuck with the same low-def formats.

All that being said, I'm not really sure Blu-Ray sales are that great either. Physical media is pretty much considered 'old hat', with most people (apart from us 'oldies') wanting to stream stuff. (Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Is that right? Millenials, eh?

I need to get with the times!

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Is that right? Millenials, eh?

I need to get with the times!

And of course, if I tried to correct a Millenial by explaining that the plural for vinyl is vinyl, they’d whip their phone out and start recording, yelling at me “ You’re a liar, you lie, you’re a liar, you lie about the vinyls innit” and then post the video on TikTok 😄

as nice as this is, i will wait.

i still don't have any of the other ones either yet.

to get list

troxy bestival nomc15 live in detroit

i'm fine with blurays, even though they're a dying format nowadays, as everything is going digital.

no dvd, eh, that formats still kicking, even if for awhile.

later -1

Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

is it?

i don't know, it said from japan. maybe it is.

i don't keep track of what is and what isn't lately, i bought a dvd video of new order live from brazil, and it seemed official enough.

as long as the sound/video quality is good, i don't really care.

later -1

Well as I've said, no one forces you to buy anything you don't ''need''. Being a completist became pointless with London and beyond pointless with YouTube, and personally I can't be bothered with yet another formula gig, but whatever floats your proverbial boat. I remember when the Beatles Antology 1 came out, It was massacred, but for a nerd like moi it was awesome to get all those rarities in listenable format, and if you're not that into them, stick with one of the very good compilations like One or 62-66/67-70.

negative1 wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

is it?

i don't know, it said from japan. maybe it is.

i don't keep track of what is and what isn't lately, i bought a dvd video of new order live from brazil, and it seemed official enough.

I've got both Detroit '89 and Belgium '85 from Amazon JP. They might be soundboard recordings -- the Belgium one seems to be a good rip from the recently remastered video -- and their overall quality is very close to previous bootlegs. And I know for experience that Amazon has sold bootlegs before

Your brazilian DVD is probably Lollapalloza São Paulo 2014, which got broadcasted at the time. As usual with NewOrder, the TV channel messed up with the band mixing a little bit. I personally prefer my own recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZrnxtkhys

perspexorange wrote:

The Shadow wrote:

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

I'm not trying to be contentious here, but DVD is pretty much a dead format. As I said before, it's fine for low-def stuff, but it kind of seems pointless to release something like this concert on media that doesn't show off the high picture quality.

Blu-Ray has been about for 15 years now, with cheap players being available for the last decade or so. Before that, you could mitigate some of the cost by combining it with a games console (like I did with my PS3).

You have to ask yourself, how long does a company need to support media types for?

You could argue that they could put a cassette in the box quite cheaply too. I know I'm probably being a bit silly here, but it's kind of the same thing. DVD is an old format (25+ years) which doesn't support Hi-Def video. Most people (I would guess) would have at least an HDTV these days, so would probably want something that would look good on their screens.

If you think about it, it's up to companies (along with developers) to push new formats and move the tech forward. If they didn't do that, we'd all be stuck with the same low-def formats.

All that being said, I'm not really sure Blu-Ray sales are that great either. Physical media is pretty much considered 'old hat', with most people (apart from us 'oldies') wanting to stream stuff. (Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Not contentious at all, I agree with you for the most part. I think vinyl outsold cd’s last year but plenty of people don’t own a turntable so lack of any cd’s in this i package may not be wise, same with dvd. I suppose blue rays were only bought by people really into films so I think lots of people have only dvd and not blue ray as these were dying even when first release. I don’t like owning things without being able to play them so I will eventually now buy a blue ray in particular as they also play the dvd format.

I agree that new order are really milking it with this release. However it looks a beautiful package and New Order is one band I do collect so still spent on the deluxe. ( n9t bothered about art print and badges so gave that a miss). I know I don’t have to buy it but it’s hard to refuse when you collect! I also attended this gig so adds a bit if extra significance and it was a really great gig.

Didn’t I read somewhere there is one other track left over from MC so hopefully this will get the same treatment as be a rebel and get released this year to have something new to look forward to.

I bought a bootleg of an 89 gig 'Silence' and the sound 'quality' was beyond awful. https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Silence/release/772746

Silence was one of my first bootlegs on CD.... it's pretty bad soundwise, indeed

Also responsible for that horrible 1991 Ceremony recording of New York 1983. I remember playing it in Germany at a mate's house and he said, I can't believe how bad it is. I said that was the point, attitude etc. He laughed, You fucking mug. http://www.enkiri.com/joy/records/records\_no\_unofficial.html The worst thing about Silence is that I didn't have much music and I was looking forward to revisiting the Technique tracks... There was a better 89 one, Decadence, a double LP featuring live stuff and some rarities (typical Razormaid and a soundcheck of JD instrumentals). https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Decadence/release/581280

Ceremony was my very first bootleg CD.... it still amazes me that it's still much more easy to find good/great live recordings from 1982-1987 than the Technique era. Even video recordings. I really hope they come up with something really good for the Technique box set.

I may have missed it, but none of this artwork is done by Peter Saville is it?

have they just got to the point where they can't afford him any more?

The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Good point Mr D, but there's Reading 89. Decent quality and a long, confident performance by their 80s standards. And yes, the quote fucktion sunks. My ambition is to be the new Jack Dee. But not as entusiastic.

GotBlueEyes wrote: The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Yeah, but there's a "hidden" artwork on the inner sleeve, which is pretty unusual for singles

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in I've got both Detroit '89 and Belgium '85 from Amazon JP. They might be soundboard recordings

If the Detroit CD is the same as the version on YouTube it's definitely a soundboard bootleg. The vocals are hard left or hard right if I recall. Much of my music listening is on headphones and it's quite excruciating hearing the vocals just in one ear. The main reason I didn't but the CD. Hoping there'll be some better mixes gigs by the time of the Technique box.

Mr. Disco wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote: The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Yeah, but there's a "hidden" artwork on the inner sleeve, which is pretty unusual for singles

i never opened mine.

it is an actual sleeve, or slipcover.

or really 2 sleeves.

i remember the pet shop boys did one for 'left to my own devices' for the cd single and the 12 inch. https://www.discogs.com/Pet-Shop-Boys-Left-To-My-Own-Devices-The-Disco-Mix/release/79886

later -1

GotBlueEyes wrote: I may have missed it, but none of this artwork is done by Peter Saville is it?

have they just got to the point where they can't afford him any more?

The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Peter Saville doesn't really do sleeve design any more. Even the box set stuff is mainly done by Howard Wakefield, though in consultation with Peter (as they're reworks of his original designs).

Warren Jackson does most of their newer releases now, plus live artwork etc. Also, the book in the Definitive box sets and the live videos.

negative1 wrote:

i'm fine with blurays, even though they're a dying format nowadays, as everything is going digital.

later -1

Well yeah, I think I’ve never got round to buying a Blu-ray player because I don’t tend to buy many films. Most new films I’ll just rent and watch on demand or download or in the case recently with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for. I think the only reason I bought a DVD player in the first place years ago was because New Order released the 316 DVD. Although I did used to like buying DVD singles back in the early 2000s. Well I guess I’ll buy a Blu Ray player if I can get one for around £70 and at least they also play DVDs as well.

Johnny James wrote:

Peter Saville doesn't really do sleeve design any more. Even the box set stuff is mainly done by Howard Wakefield, though in consultation with Peter (as they're reworks of his original designs).

Warren Jackson does most of their newer releases now, plus live artwork etc. Also, the book in the Definitive box sets and the live videos.

He did Music Complete (+ its singles) though. Was that his last sleeve art for anyone? (He did Kanye at one point prior to MC didn't he?)

Fotz wrote:

with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for.

Was this before you realised you could watch Wonder Woman 1984 for free? Multiple times.

[Incidentally I didn't spend much time thinking about the time travel in Tenet. I just accepted that some people are travelling in time in the opposite direction to others and they can encounter each other. I mostly tried to just enjoy the action set pieces. So many time travel films seem to have paradoxes (or "Grandfather Paradoxes") that I don't try too hard to make sense of it all. But maybe that's just me...]

Debaser wrote:

Fotz wrote:

with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for.

Was this before you realised you could watch Wonder Woman 1984 for free? Multiple times.

Haha! Yes i get your point.You got me there, yer bugger😄

No, there was a number of reasons i paid for Tenet but downloaded for free WW84.

I get a bit of guilt from time to time from grabbing everything for free illegally(I've noticed i use music streaming services like Amazon Music HD more these days than downloading from Soulseek for free) .So as Tenet was probably the biggest and most talked about film of 2020 i decided to pay for once.I had actually looked for it on Soulseek but the queues were ridiculous and i'd probably have been still waiting the next day and i wanted to watch it there and then one evening when i had a spare few hours.With Wonder Woman 84 i was perhaps not half as keen as i was with Tenet to see it that minute so joined a download queue and the next day it had downloaded.

Another reason is when i download films on my laptop i have to watch them on my laptop which obviously doesn't have as big a screen as my tv.Why don't i copy the film to a USB stick and then plug the USB stick into my tv you may ask.Well, believe it or not my Panasonic tv doesn't have a USB socket.It's a model from around the mid to late 2000s and just didn't come with a USB socket.I'm not familiar with how to hook up my laptop to tv .Need to get round to getting a new tv.So, i wanted to watch Tenet on my tv in bigger screen than my small laptop so for all the reasons i've mentioned that's how i ended up paying £14 for Tenet.

After all that i've still only watched Tenet once.Kind of got the basic gist (though don't ask me how to explain it) but need to view again to catch stuff i may have missed

Oh, so the Decades doc won’t be included on Blu-ray in this package after all then? I think there had been a few people on here wondering if it would be bundled in with the Ally Pally box but it seems not. Ah well.

I really like the Be. Rebel 12” sleeve.

Good idea to have the ‘real’ art work contained within the plain sleeve.

Looks really good with the grey vinyl

Mr. Disco wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote: The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Yeah, but there's a "hidden" artwork on the inner sleeve, which is pretty unusual for singles

I really liked the Be A Rebel Artwork also. Great concept with inner sleeve

I'm definitely not a vinyl man, but got the 12" since there isn't any sign of the announced CD single

Mr. Disco wrote: I'm definitely not a vinyl man, but got the 12" since there isn't any sign of the announced CD single

Don't forget there are more mixes to come. I'm guessing that if a CD is still on the cards, it will appear after (or at the same time as) the second batch of mixes are announced.

Five live albums in ten years? Five? I guess that's an achievement. Of sorts.

And people take the piss out of Hooky for releasing his live gigs....

50poundnote wrote: Ordered the super extra large mega edition, which runs nearly $270 US dollars. Eh, it's not like I'm going to concerts or anything right now.

I did the exact same thing - I couldn't help myself. The print will look nice framed up in my office. Gotta say - I love the art.

UK viewers Click.

10th April. Does this mean no need to buy the BluRay?

Debaser wrote: UK viewers Click.

10th April. Does this mean no need to buy the BluRay?

Oh. Hmm. I might have preferred to wait for the Blu Ray. Though I haven’t placed an order yet. I have Sky Arts in my tv package but not the HD one. Just having a look now at Pet Shop Boys’ Inner Sanctum concert film that was on Sky Arts last night.

Debaser wrote: UK viewers Click.

10th April. Does this mean no need to buy the BluRay?

I thought this was a peculiar move also. At first I considered that it might just be the standard footage, without all of Christie's post-production special effects that are supposed to make the EER release so unique. After all, the listing is not billing this as EER. But even a simpler production would entail more work/expense. Could it be that the Blu-Ray will feature this un-embellished version as an option?

I haven't actually ordered the Blu-Ray as of yet. I'm still awaiting my (apparently lost) delivery of items purchased from the NewOrderStore back on Blue Monday. It's a long story, but they supposedly have sent a replacement...

If this album had a live version of "Be A Rebel" I would have considered buying it otherwise it sounds like the other live albums they released in the last 5 years.

Oh hang on, it’s a “ 94 minute tv special “ . So not the full gig? The Blu Ray version will be 2 hours and twenty mins.

So it’s not such a dumb move to broadcast it on tv before the Blu Ray release afterall then. Was puzzled at first that they would do something like put it on tv before release and that would harm sales. Well it still could , a little. I mean, if I find the 94 minute version is enough for me I might not buy the Blu Ray.Though you could say that the money Sky pay them for the rights to broadcast it would make up for potential loss in sales and it’s a promotion for the release bundled in? Though I don’t know how these things work so I might be talking out of my arse. But I’m hazarding a guess Sky would have to pay out for it, right?

The majors constantly fuck up. My personal favourite was Virgin with the Pistols réunion. Put out an edited, poorly packaged CD of the comeback gig after it was broadcast in full by the BBC... The words horse, gift, mouth spring to mind. And let's not forget the New Order Story broadcast the same night as possibly their last ever gig and their first mainland gig for four years. Smart!

Steve's live drumming on Singularity is ace innit.

Andy wrote:

I thought this was a peculiar move also. At first I considered that it might just be the standard footage, without all of Christie's post-production special effects that are supposed to make the EER release so unique. After all, the listing is not billing this as EER. But even a simpler production would entail more work/expense...

Looks like it has Mike Christie's post-production values. I guess it's just shorter, as per Fotz's comments above. (BTW Fotz, Sky Arts went free to air last September. So it's in everyone's TV package in the UK)

They've just skipped over Love Vig, and are now on Ultraviolence. Imagine skipping Love Vig!!

Original setlist.

EDIT: now they've skipped over Disorder and Crystal FFS. On Academic now.

YSF. Yay!

Tutti Frutti now (so we're getting all the "new" songs, it seems)

Subculture, yay! (Tom's bass "solo" is too subtle, I miss Hooky here)

BLT into Vanishing Point

They've skipped WFTSC Plastic now (continuing the Music Complete emphasis)

TPK skipped. I know this is a big fan favourite but I imagine it's not one for the casual viewer. True Faith now.

BLOODY COMMERCIAL BREAKS!!

Don't think I'll be watching this to the end, theres far too many edits: just leave a shot running for more than three seconds without switching to another, especially if its only to show the bellend with a beer in his hand dancing right at the back of the hangar that is Alexandra Palace. I have all the live albums they've brought out since they reformed, don't think I'll bother with the cd or blu-ray versions of this.

The lights were uber full on during Singularity. In days of old Bernard would have let rip with his “ turn those fucking lights down, Andy!”

Ultraviolence a lot more lively than on the MIF live album

Ooh got the feels there for a moment during YSF. The cynicism fell away and the affinity from the old days came back in a bit

I’ve seen enough on the Sky Arts showing to decide not to bother with the DVD/CD. Otherwise I would have bought it.

Sometimes i feel it’s just best to remember the gig as it was at the time.

Girl with short black hair in front row getting a lot of screen time.

Liking the even newer tweaks to intro and more on Perfecto True Faith.

The ultra fast edit video switches are plain mad, jeez

Looks like I could only edit my previous post so many times before being accused of spamming by the forum. Since True Faith we've had BM (surprise!) Temptation. SKIPPED Atmosphere, but got Decades (!) LWTUA.

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is it bro wrote: I’ve seen enough on the Sky Arts showing to decide not to bother with the DVD/CD. Otherwise I would have bought it.

Sometimes i feel it’s just best to remember the gig as it was at the time.

There is no DVD! At the gig you feel the music surging through you and it's a more visceral exerience. I'm noticing the visuals more now watching it on TV (had forgotten the jellyfish for e.g) Had also forgotten the bit where the crowd cheered each band members' name as it came up on screen.

I don't own a BluRay player, so I'm not sure when I'll watch the full version of this. But at some point I willl, by hook or by crook. I said at the time that I thought Bernard sang well on the night...and largely I still agree with myself!

The too-regular commercial breaks were my biggest bugbear tonight. Which I guess is a backhanded complement to the gig.

Started watching my recording about 9.20pm so I could fast forward through the ad breaks.

Was pretty good I guess. A couple hours good entertainment with a few beers on a Saturday night.

Decades was pretty damn transcendent near the end there.

Not sure I’ll buy the Blu Ray now though ( besides the point that I’d have to buy a Blu Ray player)

I’ll probably copy my recording from my tv box to laptop, edit out the ad breaks and I’m done.

Anyone who recorded it could please PM me? Unable to watch in Brazil

Mr. Disco wrote: Anyone who recorded it could please PM me? Unable to watch in Brazil

Will see what I can do over the next week or so

Fotz wrote: Will see what I can do over the next week or so

Thanx in advance, Sire!

Fotz wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: Anyone who recorded it could please PM me? Unable to watch in Brazil

Will see what I can do over the next week or so

Would also love a copy! Thanks!

For those overseas , here yer go.I captured from tv box to laptop this morning and uploaded to MediaFire HERE

A few things to say- unfortunately the first half hour or so the audio has a weird and a little unpleasant sound, kind of like an echoey tunnel sound, ugh.Really don't know what's going on there.It seemed to resolve itself around 33 mins in after Tutti Frutti as the next song Sub Culture the audio is fine and great.It appears again from time to time later on in the video but not for long periods.At a loss to explain why or what happened but i guess i'm still on a long learning curve with the new capture device i bought last year.The sound is great for the most part though.Also, it's not in HD as i only have the SD version of the Sky Arts channel.So if you find SD unwatchable in this day and age then the video won't be for you.

On a more positive side, i edited out ALL the ad breaks and quite well if i may say so myself.There was something like 6 or more ad breaks, jeez.

File size is 1.24 gb

Thanks mate, appreciate it :)

Fotz wrote: ...a weird and a little unpleasant sound...

Barney's vocals are an acquired taste I admit...

Thanks fotz for sharing it, appreciate the effort.

not much new from the previous concerts, but i'm sure some will enjoy it.

not a fan of the quick epeleptic editting, with quick cuts all over the place. ughh.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

not a fan of the quick epeleptic editting, with quick cuts all over the place. ughh.

Really nasty and hard to watch. Hard to listen to in places also if I'm honest. Thanks for posting though, I'm now very comfortable in my decision to give this one a wide berth

negative1 wrote: epeleptic editting -1

Tee hee. My dad was a failed epileptic. No great shakes. There's been far too much repetition over the last 20 years but again, it's up to you if you want to buy this. If I bother, it'll be when some kind bod drops it on YouTube.

M1 wrote:

Hard to listen to in places also if I'm honest.

Well , don’t forget, that could be to do with the audio problems I had when capturing the video from the tv box to laptop, which I mentioned in my previous post.

I may try have another crack at a decent capture of it if I get time.

I'm going to have to go against the grain here as i really enjoyed the way it was cut/edited

The way the backdrop visuals mixed in and sometimes came to the front made me kind of feel like i was there

I was hammered though if i'm honest..and i was having a lot better time than the static crowd seemed to be i know that much😕

I paid for it yesterday though...stinking hangover and i led on the settee all day feeling sorry for myself

I only managed to watch the first 30 mins, dem blinkkenlights ouch. The vocals seemed a bit off too and it all seemed a bit underwhelming. I know we can't turn back the clock to the mid80s but there's something missing about the live experience these day, and I don't mean the bassist.

I liked the jellyfish during Vanishing Point. Wish they’d included the Planet Funk remix live version on the tv broadcast. Guess I’d have to buy the Blu Ray if I want to see it

Fotz wrote: I liked the jellyfish during Vanishing Point. Wish they’d included the Planet Funk remix live version on the tv broadcast. Guess I’d have to buy the Blu Ray if I want to see it

I believe they introduced Vanishing Point back into the set for the Mif gigs. Loved it at the Hollywood Bowl gig that year and again in Long Beach a couple of months before Ally Pally. But I'd welcome most ANYTHING from Technique back into the live set.

Not sure or not if I'm in the minority of those preferring the LP version of Waiting For the Sirens' Call to the Planet Funk remix. I sort of wonder if they partly chose it because it downplays the last great bassline of Mr. Hook...

^ I like the live version of the Planet Funk remix more than the remix itself. The live version is a great hybrid of the album version and the remix, and some added keyboard flourishes to boot. Probably like the original WFTSC album version a lot more than the recorded Planet Funk remix.

The live version of Planet Funk remix is my fave of all them.

Yes, Vanishing Point was played for MILF. I didn't make the gigs but it's on the CD. Cun't comment on the mixes or cutting. Technique is a funny one though. It's considered their best studio one but the hardest to do justice to live. Bernard conments on that on the Glasgow DVD, Fine Time isn't a live favourite, and the TWO times they did Guilty Partner it was a bit of a mess. The 89 bootlegs are surprisingly raw too, given that it was their most pro tour to date and the start of set lists.

Fotz wrote:

M1 wrote:

Hard to listen to in places also if I'm honest.

Well , don’t forget, that could be to do with the audio problems I had when capturing the video from the tv box to laptop, which I mentioned in my previous post.

I may try have another crack at a decent capture of it if I get time.

Nah, I took that into account. At an actual show Barney's lack of vocal chops don't get exposed so much as they do on film but sheesh... Where once it was endearing hearing him reach for that elusive key - sometimes hitting it, sometimes not - these days he's a bit more 'singerly', as though he's had coaching to work on his phrasing, which comes over flat instead of heroically off-pitch but passionate.

I mean, an extra 30 years will do that to you...

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Technique is a funny one though. It's considered their best studio one but the hardest to do justice to live. Bernard conments on that on the Glasgow DVD, Fine Time isn't a live favourite, and the TWO times they did Guilty Partner it was a bit of a mess. The 89 bootlegs are surprisingly raw too, given that it was their most pro tour to date and the start of set lists.

Big lost opportunity imo was Dream Attack at the MIF shows...Kept waiting for Barney's glorious 'solo' at the crescendo but it never comes and ends up a damp squib. 3 guitarists and it sounded lesser than 89 :(

The live Dream Attacks from 89 don't compare. Clunky by comparison. I bought the MILF CD but haven't heard it enuff to comment.

One of the missing tracks from the Sky broadcast of EER was TPK.

You can now watch it here.

[TWITTER]1382964585641168900[/TWITTER]

What the devil is going on with the vocals? Sounds like he's swallowed a frog. Please retire gracefully.

If anyone's still interested, i re-did a capture from tv box to laptop and fixed the audio issues that were a problem in my first attempt.Got rid of that horrible audio sound that plagued the first half hour or so of my first run at it.Also synced the audio and video precisely on second go.I noticed later on that the first attempt the audio and video were a moment or two out of sync but i worked out how to fix that.Also inserted the Perfect Kiss in from a YouTube rip of the clip that was released on Friday.Have edited in to the place where it was in the setlist after Plastic.Anyway, PM if you want the better copy.Or alternatively buy the Blu Ray in a couple of weeks.

If nothing else i used retrying the capture as an excuse to trial and error my capture box and OBS Studio software that came with it.It's all educating (and entertainment and recreation?) Anyone here familiar with OBS Studio? It can be a bugger to get the hang of!

Wow, just got an email that my deluxe bundle has shipped!

I was thinking this wasn't coming out until July, forgetting that 7/5 in the UK is May 7th, not July 5th.

https://stack.com.au/music/album-review/new-order-education-entertainment-recreation-review/

Linus Solanki wrote: https://stack.com.au/music/album-review/new-order-education-entertainment-recreation-review/

An incredibly vague yet positive review.

GigwiseReview

Flawless? His voice on the Perfucked Kiss is beyond karaoke.

Andy wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: https://stack.com.au/music/album-review/new-order-education-entertainment-recreation-review/

An incredibly vague yet positive review.

Yeah, what a cruddy site. The Macca III review is just as bad. I guess it's cos they're just tryna sell the products.

Thanks for the review links, Linus/Andy.

Although they're positive, which as a buyer I'm pleased about, this particular quote had me dry-vomiting:

"...while 'Decades' is one for the lighters to come out to."

Sounds like a review of a Simply Red gig.

At least Simply Red covered New Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3g2zeBVQQ Mick Hucknall confesses he has never given a girl an orgasm. 'Maybe one day someone will come.'

Michael Monkhouse wrote: At least Simply Red covered New Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3g2zeBVQQ

I can't go for that.

My package arrived today (I opted for the 2xCD, 1xBD combo).

I have to admit, it's a handsome package. Quality book housing the discs and a fair amount of images. And the book slides into a very nice, premium-feeling slipcase. There's also a sticker on the shrink-wrapping detailing the contents (for those that are interested).

Really nice! Ripping the audio discs now.

perspexorange wrote: My package arrived today

I have to admit, it's a handsome package. .

Phwoar. They've just changed their FB piccie to represent this release. Not your release, but good for you.

Listening on Spotify.

They sound so massive in-person, but their live albums make them sound so neutered, especially on their rock stuff. Steve's drums sound so flat, despite beating the shit out of them in-person.

Would love a decent mix on a live album for once.

The electronic stuff does sound good tho.

That's a very good point.

For me, the only official release that really represents NO's live soundscape remains the BBC Glastonbury 1987 CD.

511 worth a mention, though?

Wax wrote: Listening on Spotify.

They sound so massive in-person, but their live albums make them sound so neutered, especially on their rock stuff. Steve's drums sound so flat, despite beating the shit out of them in-person.

Would love a decent mix on a live album for once.

The electronic stuff does sound good tho.

LouderThanWarReview

Hi - I am an old user of this forum from way back in the early 2000s...

Don't visit much these days - but my work finished early today - so I thought I'd listen to this new live album.

I haven't bought any of the recent live albums - they are not really my bag.

So I tried out EER on a 24-Bit stream on my Qobuz Studio streaming plan using a decent Hi-Fi...

...well it isn't brickwalled at least!

But my god is this sound quality really the best they can do in 2021?

The sound is flat - not much better than my 1998 Ally Pally bootleg cassette!

Glad I didn't buy the expensive box.

INTERVIEW: New Order’s Phil Cunningham discusses ‘Education Entertainment Recreation (Live at Alexandra Palace)

https://youtu.be/nQN9WWkAZak

Really nice interview, looks like NO is working on something new

Got my bundle (in San Francisco) 48 hours after it shipped from the UK. It's a beautiful package! Listening now. While it's a bit more polished and less shambolic than their '80s heyday, and Barney's voice has matured, I'm really happy to have this. They've been my favorite band since 1986, and I didn't get to see them live until 2001, so anything live from them has always felt like a gift.

My print is 986/1000

I don't own a Blu-ray player. Guess I should buy one now.

Linus Solanki wrote: Really nice interview, looks like NO is working on something new

Another remix of 'Be A Rebel?

Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview

Linus Solanki wrote: Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview

Ah the dulcimer. Bernard mentioned in a Music Complete interview (the Radio X/John Kennedy one which Fotz uploaded to YT, I think) that Steve always seems to have a "dulcimer one" in provisional tracklists for NO albums. And there certainly was for Music Complete - you can hear the dulcimer at the start of Nothing But A Fool.

I'm too lazy to watch the whole interview. Where's the bit about new material pls?

Debaser wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: Phil showed the new Celtic Guitar he used in one of the new songs at the end of the interview

Ah the dulcimer. Bernard mentioned in a Music Complete interview (the Radio X/John Kennedy one which Fotz uploaded to YT, I think) that Steve always seems to have a "dulcimer one" in provisional tracklists for NO albums. And there certainly was for Music Complete - you can hear the dulcimer at the start of Nothing But A Fool.

I'm too lazy to watch the whole interview. Where's the bit about new material pls?

Between 15 and 16 minutes in. He say's he can't talk about it but it's probably another single.

50poundnote wrote:

My print is 986/1000

I got my bundle today delivered to Wellington/New Zealand.

My print is 982/1000.

Felt a bit weird watching it when the female backing vocals come in and there is no-one there singing them (eg Crystal and Sub-Culture)

So much of the instrumental backing is pre-programmed - always has been, so why does it jar so much for me when you notice the backing vocal is on tape too?

978/1000 !!

GotBlueEyes wrote: Felt a bit weird watching it when the female backing vocals come in and there is no-one there singing them (eg Crystal and Sub-Culture)

So much of the instrumental backing is pre-programmed - always has been, so why does it jar so much for me when you notice the backing vocal is on tape too?

I was more annoyed by his changing of the vocal melody on Love Vigilantes. Otherwise, business as usual for latter-day New Order. I was actually pleased that they toned down Elly's canned vocal on Tutti Frutti.

Didn’t bother buying . Bought a couple of Beatles albums instead. Original 1973 vinyl copies of the red album and the blue album, £15 a piece . Audio quality is incredible. Needed a wash with the L’Art Du Son and came up a treat . Let It Be.

Yeah, there's a point where you can't be arsed any more. It's too much hassle and there's always BibeTube. The first time I experienced the Beatles was the 67 - 70 compilation. I was about nine and my parents had it on blue vinyl. I remember thinking when they die, it won't be all tragic, cos I could get that LP. Positive thinking.

I didn't actually notice 'Tutti Frutti' was missing from the CD tracklisting. Very strange to have it on one but not the other.

Anyone know the reason why it's on the Blu-ray but not the CDs?

NotAMod wrote: The audio sounds better than Troxy, Bestival and NOMC15 all rolled into one.

Agreed. But the MIF recording Σ[2017#$%&@***whatever] sounds better to me. It's a shame they didn't use that one for the blu-ray release. A different approach overall, visually and soundwise.

NotAMod wrote: I opted for the "Super Deluxe" option but without the t-shirt, A2 print or badges which I found to be taking the piss a little bit. Merchandising overload and superfluous. I've also not been impressed with the band t-shirts from Warners recently, the neckline is ridiculously tight.

Same here. I'm also not a fan of tees and badges. I think the book will be a nice item to have autographed some day...

Edit: Oh, and I thought I've read somewhere the Decades doc would be an extra feature on this blu-ray.

If they’d included the Decades doc it might have swayed me to buy. Maybe there was a legal reason for not including?

Only reason I can think of for not having Tutti Frutti on the CD is perhaps it couldn’t have fitted it on the vinyl and they wanted the track list for the CDs and vinyl to match exactly?

NotAMod wrote: I must admit, I've really enjoyed listening to EER over the past week. It's probably the first time I've dropped 3 figures on what is essentially a live album but there is no denying it is a classy package and sounds excellent. Like many here I was at the gig in 2018 so felt I had no choice but to purchase and I've tucked away my ticket stub into the box-set.

The audio sounds better than Troxy, Bestival and NOMC15 all rolled into one. I opted for the "Super Deluxe" option but without the t-shirt, A2 print or badges which I found to be taking the piss a little bit. Merchandising overload and superfluous. I've also not been impressed with the band t-shirts from Warners recently, the neckline is ridiculously tight. I'm a standard 'M' and every Mute t-shirt I've ordered fits perfectly but the recent Warners ones just seem an odd fit. I'm not that much of a fat bastard yet! (honest).

T-shirt whinging aside... when lifting the lid off of the set I recommend using plastic gloves or something similar as the black sleeves can be magnets for thumb-prints despite best intentions. The hardback book and everything contained in the sleeves - plus the CDs & Blu-ray replica mini-LP sleeves - are really nice. Sitting on my shelf next to the Movement and PC&L Definitive Editions it blends in well as they're all the same size. The bad old days of the Rhino 2xCD Collector's Editions are thankfully fading fast and the Definitive Low-life box-set can't come soon enough, in my view.

It is a bit bizarre Tutti Frutti was omitted from the CDs as Disc 1 is only 50 minutes, which leaves a fair amount of space left over. It could have easily been accommodated between KW1 and Sub-Culture as it is in the Blu-ray's running order. I had a crack at checking out the DTS-HD audio stream on the Blu-ray which while sounds great on my TV is mastered differently (lower) to the CDs. Unlike previous DVD releases, there are no extras here which is no big deal. With the exception of the Glasgow ones (Hooky & Steve wandering through a tunnel) I don't think I watched most of the previous/collective DVD extras more than er, twice.

I think, for the money, a Hi-res version of the audio on the Blu-ray wouldn't have been too much to ask. The 24-bit version is currently on Qobuz for £23 quid (minus Tutti) but for once I'll stick with my CD rips as they sound just fine. As for Tutti itself, I can also for once live without it being there.

In terms of the tunes... Ultraviolence and Disorder have been receiving an absolute caning on my playlist; I like the "deathly reverb" effect they applied to Bernard's vocal which is less obvious on the MIF show. Also WFTSC because I find the Planet Funk rework sublime... and finally the holy trinity towards the end. Low point? Tutti probably, which is why I'm not exactly mourning its loss from the CDs.

A solid 8/10 from me. The Super Deluxe box price is admittedly a bit eye-watering but the CD + Blu-ray package are a decent price for 2 hours' worth of high quality audio/video.

Agree if you ignore the amount of other live albums (I suppose Troxy and Bestival were quite small scale releases?) this is a truly excellent live album. I also went for the duluxe but with an added t shirt, and it is a large amount of money to part with but my choice, although hard to refuse when you are a collector. I did manage to not go for the art print.

I too was at this gig so makes it more of an essential purchase (was also at MiF and Troxy). If the other live albums did not exist this release would be held up in higher esteem IMO. Really for modern day NO this along with MiF are the essential live releases.

NO are we’re in fine form that night and Barneys vocals sound really good (although as someone else said in this thread his voice on TPK does sound very frog like - maybe Steve added TPK frog sample on top of his voice!).Really enjoyed playing over the last couple of weeks but not sure how often I’ll return to it, although does act as a best off quite well. I much prefer actual albums to live ones. Need to get a blue ray to enjoy the video performance so will probably get round to that b4 the end of the year. I always prefer audio to visual but always worth one or 2 views and I did watch the sky arts version.

Certainly not an essential releases but good for the hardcore fan and definitely worth a download a just a vinyl or cd copy to the more casual observer.

As a live album I’ve not heard many better, but please no more live album releases! Sounds like a new single to look forward to in 2022. Listening to this does make you hungry for a gig and glad I’ve got my tickets for Manchester and London this year. I really can’t wait for those events

Finally here... the vinyl discs arrived surprisingly intact.

Fotz wrote: Didn’t bother buying

Me neither until a couple of weeks ago. Someone on the NO fan page on Facebook pointed out that EER was cheap on Amazon. So I bought the BluRay + 2CD version for £10.99 + free postage. I see it's now reduced further to £9.65 click.

On the one hand I thought: I went to the gig, they're trying to sell it to me again for £££. On the other hand I felt that I had to get it at some point precisely because...I went to the gig.

For people who don't want the BluRay there are currently a couple of 2CD copies on Amazon UK for £4.93 click.

In truth, I don't have a BluRay player, but when I made my purchase, the 3 disc version was only £3 more expensive than the 2CD, so I figured: one day I may have a BR player; may as well splash out the extra three quid.

No sooner did I do that, and NO started uploading Ally Pally vids to YouTube. I guess they're aware that the peak fleecing um, sales period is over now, so they'll just whack the clips up for free. By the time I get around to buying a BR player the whole gig will probably be on YT...

As for the CD's? Yeah nice enough. I found myself more critical of Bernard's voice on my stereo than I was on the night. And TPK live never manages to match the majesty of the 12". In fact the video version is probably better than any live gig version I know. I would agree with comments above that Ultraviolence and Disorder are worth repeated plays. And YSF sounds decent too. Will I play this a lot? Nope. Is it worth a fiver? Yep.

Here are the recent uploads. One of which was posted to NO Spotting this morning by -1.

EDIT: Another one

Debaser wrote: And TPK live never manages to match the majesty of the 12". In fact the video version is probably better than any live gig version I know.

Two things that have helped the current live version of The Perfect Kiss immensely: they're using a harder sound for the sequenced synth bass, and they've boosted the volume of the percussion (bongos, etc). It still needs a sharper snare and those bright '80s handclaps. I understand why they're playing a shortened version - because the whole first section was a showcase for Hook - but I hope someday they return to playing it in all it's 9+ minute glory.

I also hope someday they take True Faith back to it's original arrangement.

As well as Temptation. That pointless intro is getting beyond tiresome to my ears

Mr. Disco wrote: As well as Temptation. That pointless intro is getting beyond tiresome to my ears

Then you probably won't enjoy the whole thing: https: Street Hassle

Andy wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: As well as Temptation. That pointless intro is getting beyond tiresome to my ears

Then you probably won't enjoy the whole thing: https: Street Hassle

Well... I know they used that one. And I think it works pretty good on its own merit. But not as the intro for Temptation.

They also used the basis of Cat People from Bowie on Atmosphere... at least it doesn't go for like two minutes (intro & outro considered). But I still prefer the old arrangement.